Microsoft has made no secrets about its cross-platform ambitions, and it's about to turn up the heat.
Poor Xbox sales have affected AMD’S bottom line
Oh wow. How surprising! Nvidia overpriced their RTX cards by +100% and AMD instead of offering real competition, decided to join Nvidia in their greedy approach, while not having the same mindshare as Nvidia (sadly) does. The 7900 launch was a marketing disaster. All the reviews were made while the card was not worth the money at all, they lowered the price a bit later on, but not only not enough but also too late and out of "free marketing" window coming along with the new card generation release. Then the geniuses at AMD axed the high-end SKUs with increased cache etc, cause "nobody will buy expensive cards to play games" while Nvidia laughed at them selling their 2000€ 4090s.
Intel had all the mindshare among PC enthusiasts with their CPUs. All it took was a competetive product and good price (Ryzen 7000 series and especially 7800x3d) and guess what? AMD regained the market share in DYI PCs in no time! The same could've have happened with Radeon 5000, Radeon 6000 and Radeon 7000.
But meh. Why bother. Let's cancell high-end RDNA 4 and use the TSMC wafers for AI and then let the clueless "analysts" make their articles about "gaming demand dwingling".
I'm sure low-end, very overpriced and barely faster if not slower RDNA4 will turn things around. It will have AI and RT! Two things nobody asked for, especially not gamers who'd like to use the PC for what's most exciting about PC gaming (VR, high framerate gaming, hi-res gaming).
8000 series will be slow, overpriced and marketed based on its much improved RT/AI... and it will flop badly.
And there will be no sane conclusions made at AMD about that. There will be just one, insane: Gaming is not worth catering to. Let's go into AI/RT instead, what could go wrong..."
That's a complicated question. Depends on what you mean. The pricing at the release date or the pricing planned ahead. They couldn't just suddenly end up in a situation where their existing stock of 6000 cards is suddenly unsellable, but if it was properly rolled out, the prices should be where they were while PC gaming industry was healthy. I recognize the arguments about inflation, higher power draw and PCB/BOM costs, more expensive wafers from TSMC etc. but still, PC gaming needs some sanity to exist and be healthy. Past few years were very unhealthy and dangerous to whole PC gaming. AMD should recognize this market is very good for them as they have advantage in software for gaming and other markets while attractive short term, may be just too difficult to compete at. AI is the modern day gold rush and Nvidia and Intel can easily out-spend AMD on R&D. Meanwhile gaming is tricky for newcomers and Nvidia doesn't seem to care that much about gaming anymore. So I would argue that it should be in AMDs interest to even sell some Radeon SKUs at zero profit, just to prevent the PC gaming from collapsing. Cards like 6400 and 6500 should never exist at their prices. This tier was traditionally "office only" and priced at 50$ in early 2000s. Then we have Radeons 7600 which is not really 6-tier card. Those were traditionally quite performant cards based on wider than 128-bit memory bus. Also 8GB is screaming "low end". So I'd say the 7600 should've been available at below 200$ (+taxes etc.) as soon as possible, at least for some cheaper SKUs.For faster cards, the situation is bad for AMD, because people spending like $400+ are usually fairly knowledgable and demanding. While personally I don't see any value in upscallers and RT for 400-700$ cards, the fact is that especially DLSS is a valuable feature for potential buyers. Therefore, even 7800 and 7900 cards should be significantly cheaper than they currently are. People knew what they were paying for when buying Radeon 9700, 9800, X800, 4870 etc. They were getting gaming experience truly unlike console or low-end PC gaming. By all means, let's have expensive AMD cards for even above $1000, but first, AMD needs to show value. Make the product attractive. PS5 consoles can be bought at 400$. If AMD offers just a slightly better upscalled image on the 400$ GPU, or their 900$ GPU cannot even push 3x as many fps compared to cheap consoles, the pricing acts like cancer on PC gaming. And poor old PC gaming can endure only so much.
I appreciate your rant sir, but it has very little to do with gpus. It is the fact that the PS5 and Xbox are in end cycle before a refresh.
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Well that's gonna happen when you don't really try. I want to support AMD so badly and give Nvidia some actual competition but they don't very much seem interested in challenging, by their own accord. I been waiting for them to attack the GPU segment the same way they took over CPU, but they just seem so content with handing Nvidia the market year after year, and it's happening again this year with their cancelled high end card.
I think you're going to see almost zero interest from AMD or Nvidia on the gaming GPU market. They are all in on AI.
What are smoking? Got to layoff your way to those bonuses. Fire 500 employees right before Christmas. That should get you there.
Well, if you are 48% down in Q4 in your Gaming sector as they are, which in absolute money terms is north of 500M USD, then you are not likely to get at least your quarterly STI, but can be applicable for annual STI. The LTI may be something you are still eligible for, such as RSUs or other equity and benefits, especially if they are based on the company total result rather than your unit. All depends on your contract and AMD's reward system.
Lisa Su took AMD from bankruptcy to one of the best semiconductor companies on the planet. AMD from 2 dollars a share to 147. She can take whatever she wants.
AMD prcied their cards thinking that they will sell out just like in the mining craze. I suspect reality has hit home when they realized most gamers cannot afford to spend over $500 for a gpu.
Watch the Batman: Arkham Shadow teaser trailer for the next game in the Batman: Arkham franchise, releasing exclusively on the Meta Quest 3 in late 2024.Evil stalks the streets. Gotham City is in danger. And you’re the only one who can save it. Check out the teaser for the upcoming Batman VR game.Tune into Summer Game Fest 2024 on June 7 at 2pm PT/ 5pm ET/ 10pm BST/ June 8 at 7am AEST for the official Batman: Arkham Shadow world premiere reveal from Camouflaj and Oculus Studios, in partnership with Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment and DC.
Nice to see some VR games following Batman Arkham!
Was a huge fan of Batman Vr on PSVR :)
Quest 3 only is a letdown.. need to see what the experience will be like.
Looks like Ratcatcher will be the main villain in this game.. you gotta love thos rat waves in VR. Was already too much with A Plague Tale Requiem…
Also gives hope WB is not giving up on Arkham series.. hopefully a Rocksteady full blown Batman game after the suicide mission they just got..
I would not be surprised if a PSVR2 version is announced after.
If there's none, It would mean that devs truly believe that PSVR2 is dead.
And really loved Plague tale Requiem (feel bad about the ending)
"If there's none, It would mean that devs truly believe that PSVR2 is dead."
Not really. It would mean Meta pad for exclusivity.
Regarding PSVR2 dying don't believe the FUD, it's healthy, has a lot of great things coming, and won't die for many years.
But that being said it looks like a great game.
@Babadook
Not every company uses Sony's tactics of paying with the idea of removing content from others platform
case in point of Meta releasing a " Free" update PSVR2 patch for Beat Sabers while publishing games like Starwars Tales from the Galaxy.
But since we should not listen to the FUD how about listening to the devs of Rec Room the most popular social VR app about the PSVR 2 version of the game
"No current plans to bring RR to PSVR2. We’ve looked into it, it’s a non-trivial port, and we haven’t found a way to make it make economic sense. In an ideal world we would love to bring RR to PSVR2, but we just can’t justify the cost based on the numbers. Sucks I know, but that’s the truth.”
https://www.roadtovr.com/re...
Shame that something like this won't be on psvr2. Sony really has to step up on this front. There's a bunch of neat and nifty games out there for it. I'll end up getting one once I get caught up buying all the rpgs I've missed these last few years. Anyway I can't justify spending money on this with only a couple major vr titles. Re4 doesn't cut it for me since I was never a huge fan of the game. To see this batman as an exclusive, unless I'm wrong. Sony gotta pump something up
Sadly Camouflaj was acquired by Meta in 2022 when Sony allowed the psvr Iron man game to be ported to the quest, but given the amount of cash meta is losing never say never…..
It'll be a timed exclusive the VR market is far to small to have true exclusives unless meta or Sony shell out millions of dollars to develop them exclusively.
Extremely common for VR studios to run very lean staffing wise take smaller projects and aim for mobile, and psvr2 and possibly PC.
Probably also why so many VR games get released so buggy to
What if Gotham Knights was a direct sequel to the Arkhamverse and was a battle for the cowl storyline, but the the traditional fighting mechanics while still being coop optional? What if SSKTJL wasn't set in the Arkhamverse and a wholey elseworlds story? What if this new batman game wasn't just VR cobblygook?
All vr games need to be muliplatform. In order for the medium to grow we need as many hands on the software as possible. Dick around with exclusives once vr as a format it's established and the general public perception is more accepting.
Looks like a great headset and it will be interesting to hear how they sound. From the makers of Arctis, the most awarded audio line in gaming, SteelSeries, the original esports brand that fuses gaming and culture, today introduces an all-new white version of the award-winning Arctis Nova Pro series headsets.
So Xbox live is coming to all platforms like a service or is it something different?
“Microsoft wants to bring Xbox Live cross-platform gaming to Android, iOS, Nintendo Switch, and more“
Nintendo should’ve never let them put Minecraft on Switch. Microsoft wants to use other devices to promote their own service. So glad Sony stood strong and didn’t allow Xbox Live sign in on PS4.
Xbox isn’t selling well so the want to become a service. They know they’re lagging behind PSN’s massive 90+ million active users. Xbox Live only has 64 million. They want to slap Xbox Live on every device they can to get that number up.
Well Microsoft Gaming division is growing. Last quarter they reported a 44% overall increased, but that was highly because of a 36% growth in the software and service revenue. So it's obvious that this segment is their biggest strength.
Xbox Live Gold alone have 57 million users and the last report put the active Live users at 64 million. The difference between those numbers is most likely from platforms that have access to the Live but don't pay for the Live Gold. Like the Nintendo Switch and the PC.
Therefore it's a no brainer that they want to expand the places where the service is available. Even more if the rumors of their streaming gaming system comes to fruition.
I understand clearly why they would want this but the benefit to their hardware sales seems like it might actually shrink. Nintendo has been excellent at attracting gamer's from all consoles this generation and something like this will help them get even more Xbox fans....especially the Xbox fans in Japan. It's like having Windows on competitor hardware...it helped the sales of competitors hardware while helping make Microsoft richer. So they rather Xbox be a software provider in the future? Maybe Halo is going to be on PlayStation's and Nintendo consoles in the future? I'll take Banjo back on Nintendo, Microsoft. And allow Nintendo (or Retro Studios) to co-develop it with Rare. Make that happen and you will get some money from me...lol.
Having a sony console with exclusive games via disc,with xboxlive and Xbox exclusives online. I wouldn't be upset about that. I could play my favorite games, then jump online and enjoy Forza from Xbox. I'm not mad at that notion.