Analysis: PS3 selling more games than Xbox 360 with smaller install base

The PS3 is rapidly becoming the bread-winner for many of the third party publishers. We wrote a story a few months ago where according to EA's financial report the PS3 was the clear bread-winner over the Xbox 360 and the Wii. Now it seems that Konami, Namco Bandi and Ubisoft have joined the ranks of EA where the PS3 console is bringing in more money than the Xbox 360.

[larry]

I wonder if their total weekly SW sales in europe are just the sales for UK

x360 is fully dead in europe as we speak. It costs less than a ps2 there

[Pennywise]

I think these reports make it clear that the numbers MS release for their console sales include all RROD replacements.

[larry]

Totally agree

X360 sales WW cant be more than 16/17m units

[chaosatom]

ps3 install base ~= xbox install base.

AND THE THING IS.

Xbox is selling at Dirt Cheap prices.

[xBot Lemmings]

ROFLMMFAO MAJOR OWNAGE

BUT-T-T-T-T-T TEH PS3 HAZ NO GAMEZ

[FBl]

Splinter Cell:Conviction=Multi-platform title.

Watch as Microsoft are stripped of their last 3rd party exclusive

[Yoma]

I can small something.. I think it smells like... Ownage

[Joejoefhosho]

33% of all Xbox360 don't even work to begin with.

[UnwanteDreamz]

I just thought of something that is a factor. Who is buying these games. I think it is safe to say that there is a larger percentage of young ones playing the 360 then PS3. (Not a digg just the truth from what I have been told.) I mean that is what I have been hearing. People have been saying that when parents go holiday shopping they will go for the deal right?

So now what you have is alot of 360 owners who rely on their parents to fork over the money for a new game. These gamers can't just go in their own pockets everytime a game releases that they want to play.

In my mind this probably has a bigger effect than we realize. When these gamers do raise money for a game they probably go for the deal as well. (used games)

[GiantEnemyLobster]

EVERY multiplatform that debuts, the 360 outsells the PS3 by almost 3x as much.

Saints row 2 for example. 237k on the 360, 84k on the PS3.

Compare the sales numbers of 360 and PS3 with huge games like GTAIV, CoD4, Madden games, The force unleashed, etc.
The Xbox 360 outsells EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM. So nice try to the PStard that wrote this article, you fail almost as much as the FlopStation 3 itself.

[ultimolu]

...Is that you Nasim? xD

But yeah, they're pretty much screwed. This will teach them a lesson.

[Irishrocket69]

Looks like the players of LBP are making up numbers now too! How cute!

"Iceberg straight ahead"
SONY CEO

[morganfell]

People will still deny this. They won't grow one hair on their ass and admit they were duped by MS. EA, Ubisoft, and the rest of these companies are not walking around lying to their customers about earnings reports in order to support Sony. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that. Sooner than later these blind bots are going to have to open their eyes, grow some guts and admit the truth that the PS3 has been gaining on the 360 like a predator for some time.

Here is the funny part. All we heard from these MS sycophants was how the 360 was outselling the PS3. If that was the case, do you really think MS would have slashed prices like that when they are still bleeding from that billion dollar RROD asskicking?

Sadly, the facts are that even in the face of irrefutable truth some xtards are so blindly dedicated they will deny everything and say there is some mysterious force at work, it's a conspiracy, Sony paid off all of these people, the CIA is involved, a saucer landed outside their house and they were anal probed by little grays, Bush is behind it, the fluoride in water makes the numbers appear skewed, you need special sunglasses to see MS is telling the truth, the dog ate my homework.

Whatever. The best thing to do with such people is put them on ignore and just pass them by like any drug addict in the gutter that refuses help.

[Aquanox]

The Ubisoft Reports mention Xbox 360 and PS3 both selling 20% in total in the most recent Analysis. That 14 - 20% belong to 2007.

The EA report released months ago, was well before Madden was released, a game which sold ridiculously more on Xbox 360 than in PS3.

Those are the biggest software sellers of this article, and both have incorrect or incomplete numbers. Also, conveniently dismissing the sales other giants like Activision and Take 2 rests even more credibility to this article.

[FBl]

I wonder if I should buy an extra copy of Bioshock on Ps3

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

The 'xBox 360' is just a DVD Movie Player!!! ;-D

[Pain]

dont forget your coats.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

I always wondered if those 20 million 360's were just second,third consoles bought by the same consumers because of RROD

I mean..there's only 14 million XBL subscribers.
(Give or take a million or two who don't have internet)
And PS3 sell's more games with a 15 million userbase.

Microsoft's inflated numbers maybe?

Makes you wonder..

[Pennywise]

That is what I think. RROD returns and consoles broken that people bought replacements included in sales numbers.

Shady reports to the public to make like MS is winning something. 4mil console lead is probably non existent when you consider RROD sales/replacements.

[chaosatom]

Then it's not looking good for the 360 in 2009.

And a price drop on ps3 in 2009, would be like sprinkling salt over a wound.

Those RROD consoles are finally catching up to the Microsoft!

Strong sales for ps3 + RROD for xbox might put ps3 on top install base.

[season007]

i am also wondering if Microsft eats more profit from third parties developers compared with sony....considering that software sales are usually higher on xbox360(at least as claimed by microsoft)...why would profit generate from ps3 is higher?

if however it is true, sony might soon get some third party exclusives in the near future when the install base expand pass xbox360

[Jeremy Gerard]

is spinning like crazy, check the sales numbers of ANY multiplat game and you will find that it sold far more on 360 than on PS3, so something is up here, this is a bogus article, or someone is spinning the facts like crazy, maybe they are referring to growth, I could see that being larger than the 360 on PS3.

[rhood022]

I know in the U.S, the attach rate for the 360 is 8:1. But does that include both retail and LIVE Arcade? Or just retail?

I don't follow these numbers at all and have never really thought about it. Anybody know?

@Jeremy

These are actual numbers from the likes of EA and Ubisoft. They cannot make up these numbers or "spin" them because that is illegal.

[sirbigam]

Wats sad is that people who are buying XBox360's are buying them just so they could be able to download their games. This is not good for Microsoft, and could be a factor in lack of game sales in the coming future.From wat I've seen the 360 is less expensive, less of a hassel, and less risky to hack than the ps3.

I beleive as gamers we must support our gaming companies for the life of gaming itself, just lik with the ps2 and xbox1, goodtimes, good times in deed ladies!!!

[shine1396]

Ea, konami, and namco bandai, I can agree with, but the ubisoft numbers are split 20 percent each. Man, I love the internet.

[poopface1]

namco bandi is a Japanese company, so that doesnt surprise me a all. Konami had released MGS on ps3 and not 360(pes is big on ps3 too) so that doesnt surprise me either. EA and UBi are more surprising, but I think its because the 360 has more games to compete with the ea/ubi games.

[shine1396]

Q2 2008/09
Nintendo DS™ 39%
PC 6%
PlayStation®2 1%
PLAYSTATION®3 20%
PSP™ 2%
Wii™ 11%
XBOX 360™ 20%
TOTAL 100%
Source:
http://www.ubisoftgroup.com...
See for your self....

[hay]

+ Piracy, more hardware and less software sold. If the article is true.

[Parapraxis]

I was looking for the shine1396, nice find.

[power of Green]

This post is BS, when EA reported their earnings the 360 numbers where not yet in(PS3 reports as sales go vs 360 only does it after a certain amount of months), the 360 earnings are reported differently lol.

As for those other companies(most of them being Japanese making more games for a Japanese console), they released delayed games or PS3 exclusives durring that period making this claim null lol.

PS3/fans=John Mccain and Sara Palin...

LOL PS3 fans and media trying to twist reality.

Breaking news "VALVE and Square ENIX" made (will make) more on the 360, stay tuned for more on this shocking trend lol.

You would have to be a moron/idiot to buy this bullshit.

Japanese companies making more games on a Japanese console, say what!!!! lol

Delayed games and PS3 exclusives happening to fall into EA/Konami/Namco Bandi/Ubisoft earning windows is not proof of anything.

All that matters to devs is title vs title sales/revenue not revenune totals when the variables don't make sense to any other party other than PS3 fanboys that is.

[IdleLeeSiuLung]

It is not suprising that both Konami and Namco Bandai is profiting more from PS3, seeing how Konami released MGS4 for PS3 exclusively and sold tons of units. Namco Bandai is a Japanese developers catering to Japanese people. Xbox is doing poorly in Japan.

What is suprising is EA and Ubisoft. Even more odd is the 360 has a higher attach rate and grew at about the same rate as the other consoles. With larger use base, the only explanation is there is more software competition on the 360. Most gamers only have so much money and so much time to spread among the titles available. I suspect that many like me are starting to buy the bargain titles that are far more on the 360 at the moment. PS3 is jus finally starting to get those discounted titles, so the large user base, smaller competition and the more expensive games increases profit. If I'm righ then next year, we will start seeing a decline in PS3 software profit leveling out like the 360. One should also probably look at the total number of sofware sales.

The other explanation is as thatcanadianguy is suggesting, but if that is true, then the attach rate should be even higher for 360....

From a personal standpoint, I tend to buy multiplatform games on the PS3 since my brother and I can share as we have each a PS3. Also, the blu-ray discs are unscratchable!!!

However, I do like the achievements (yes I got suckered into it) and the 360 controller better.

[SuperM]

Thats the Q2 numbers yea. But if you look at the 6 month 08/09 numbers it says 20% PS3 and 14% 360

[Strikepackage Bravo]

You guys are misreading the numbers, in business we only care about growth, the numbers on the reports represent the % of growth compared to last quarter or period or whatever time frame they want to represent.

In other words, if 360 sold 100 games and PS3 sold 50 games last quarter, and this quarter, PS3 sold 100 games and 360 sold 110, then PS3 had a 50% increase while 360 only had a 10% increase, but as you can see 360 still sold more.

Unfortunately this is not saying PS3 is doing better than 360, its just doing better than it was at the same time last year.

[ultimolu]

Yep, agreed.

[Homicide]

But I thought PS3 owners didn't buy games? PS3 has an amazing line-up this holiday season. It is no surprise why PS3 is selling more games.

[himdeel]

...I've often wondered the average age of the 360 and PS3 owner. If you assume the average 360 owner is younger and take into account that on average they might not be old enough to hold down a full time job to afford a $60 game then it's reasonable to think they'd be able to purchase fewer games.

Also you'd have to assume that the average PS3 owner is a bit older, does have more disposable income and thus are able to purchase a $300 system. Therefore they'd by these assumptions also be better able to more frequently purchase the $60 games.

I have nothing to support these assumptions but just something to mill over. Either way when my son is old enough to play video games and if I happen to no longer be into gaming but he wants a next gen system. I would be willing to buy the system BUT he will for certain have to be doing something to make some money so that he can purchase his own games. Especially if he's wanting a new one every month. Hello Gamefly, hello Blockbuster!!

[cmrbe]

could have a hand in this but i am sure its very small.

I assume that most people that pirate wouln't have bought the game anyways. I am not sure but it could have an impact on x360 sw sales number.

Whichever way you look at it. Its still baffles me how the PS3 for most times this year have sold more software per console. PS3 owners are the main Blu-ray buyers as well. I think this is because the PS3 demograhic are mostly adults as widely believed and thus are more likely able to afford.

[XxZxX]

@shine1396, look at the 6 months sales also

PS3 20%
XBOX 360 14%

just in case you dunno what is Q2 2009 6 months.
It mean Q1+Q2 2009 which also mean YTD.
Why are you just purely looking at Q2 2009. Do you think the whole world misread but you?

[TheDude2dot0]

"You guys are misreading the numbers, in business we only care about growth, the numbers on the reports represent the % of growth compared to last quarter or period or whatever time frame they want to represent."

BS. It says "Breakdown of Sales by platform". That means the percentage of sales. You suck at numbers.

[Figboy]

i can't speak for everybody, but my roommate, nephew, best friend, and other close friend have all bought more than one 360. a few others are on their THIRD.

one of my old co-workers at Vivendi went through about 3, and after that broke, he said "f*ck it" and got a PS3. and this guy said he was a HUGE 360 fanboy, because the games were there. but he just got sick of his system breaking down and having to wait weeks and weeks for it to come back from repair. he's a big PS3 fanboy now though. lol.

[aceitman]

if you had or have issues with the 360 call cable law office at 1-916-608-7995 and they will give you what you need to be a part of this civil suit. im on my 6th 360 ring of death and im tired of it and im on my 1st ps3-wii-ps2-psp-and ds- even my dreamcast and ps1 still works .

[shine1396]

@SuperM: I see now... then I suppose it would be a fair conjecture to suggest, that Asassins Creed played a sizable part as well. Which should worry ms360, as europe is appears to be the biggest market in terms of revenue, atleast by the EA and Ubisoft -two huge thirdparty outfits-

And also this means that the gap is being closed by x360, as in the last quarter, they were both level. But here is the thing, why is the x360 playing catchup? It's almost contradicting the state of the industry. Or the state of industry is not what we were thinking it was. Which supposes that european media and us/uk media don't compete on a level playing field.

When does Activision release their results?

[shine1396]

@XxZxX, I was actually looking at how much it sold in the last quarter, because of the financial situation the world is facing. Its kind of related to what I do for a living. But yeah your right, in the first 'six months', the ps3 did produce more profit for a major third party publisher/developer. If sony are forcasting that EA and mirrors edge do the same, and Ubisoft and prince of persia do the same, then I can see why sony isn't keen to lower the price of its console, even in the current financial climate.

[sumguy81]

fanboys fanboys everywhere, and not an intelligent, logical one in the bunch.

[Blood_Spiller]

I must respectfully disagree with you. The numbers are not representing growth, they are clearly representing the percentage of total profits earned for Ubisoft by platform. Growth charts rarely have a total that equals 100% at the bottom. It is odd however that the word "growth" is only mentioned once in that entire document.

[Rhoic]

Yes, because EA, Konami, and Bandai make up the entire gaming industry.. this article is so jaded rofl.

It is a known fact that MS focuses on Software Sales more than Hardware sales.. and just by looking at the NPD's, you can clearly see that the 360 sells games almost on a 8:1 basis compared to the PS3.

I call BS.

[aceitman]

http://dailygamesnews.com/2...
this will put it more into the light

[Fallen_Angel]

If this were true then how come almost all multi plat games sell better on the 360 then the ps3?

[Silogon]

I buy all my games for Ps3... All of them. I only buy xbox 360 exclusives, and often times not even those. Fable 2 was the 1st xbox 360 game I bought in many moons.

So, I, if I'm like other consumers, don't see this as a stretch at all. The Ps3 is a strange deive in it that it does almost everything... I have it in my living room and another in my entertainment room, so that should tell you the diversity of the system.

Dvd's, Blu-rays, cd's, multi media devices, blu-tooth and gaming can all be played in one outlet and one output... The Ps3. Why would anyone want to buy another system when the ps3 does it all?

It blows my mind how stupid consumers are at times. It's easier for me to by Mercs2 or Saints row 2 on the Ps3 and avert the xbox 360 all together, cause after I'm done playing the game I can jump right into a movie or web surfing on the fly. With Ps3 you can do that, with the xbox 360 you can't.

So, even if some games on the Ps3 look worse "rarely" than the xbox 360 counter parts, the pay off for ease of access is far greater than a few blurry textures you won't even notice unless you have them side by side.

[SL1M DADDY]

But I have to be honest, in the last year, after my fifth 360 died, I too buy all multiplatform games for the PS3 and exclusives for my 6th 360 sitting quietly on my entertainment center. I have love for both consoles but more of my money goes to the PS3 these days.

[Sircolby45]

It all boils down to personal preference. "Personally" I can not stand to play games on the PS3 because of the atrocious controller and online service. I browse the web on my computer, thus no need to browse the web on the PS3. Yah the PS3 does it all, but I don't need it to do it all. I just need it to play games and maybe the occasional Blu-Ray. Your mileage may vary.

It blows my mind how people can try to tell someone else what is best for them. Use what you like best and be happy FFS!

[SL1M DADDY]

Couldn't agree more. I am not a huge fan of the 360 controller and can't stand loud DVD drives but aside from that, the 360 is just not a personal preference of mine due to the poor reliability issues and so I play the PS3 more. That does not mean that I will not play the 360, it only means that one console gets more play than the other but all-in-all, they both do what I need them to do, they let me play all the great games when they hit store shelves. I play games, not consoles and so should everybody else.

[CaptainHowdy]

I do the same thing. that's why, not including downloaded games, i have like 15 ps3 games, and 6 360...but those #s should move to 21 and 8 by the end of the year( sorry gears and MAYBE fable is the only thing m$ has left this year...ill pass on banjo...left 4 dead might be a purchase when it's selling used @ 17.99)

[HardcoreGamer]

THIS MESSAGE GOES OUT TO ALL..

we all saw it coming - so it doesnt really matter . what matters is the people who friggin deny whats been goin on

PS3 failure? please. 360 failure please.

no. whats happening is 360 will lose the lead . i mean lose it proper. people dont want 360 they WANT PS3. why because everyone one i know are after ps3 right now even when they have 360

[larry]

x360's total base is no more than 16-17m

most of x360 owners actually purchased x360 2ice because of RROD

PS3's numbers i think is being underreported. Come on every game sells more on PS3

[FBl]

Microsoft numbers are shipped numbers,while all Sony numbers are sold.

This is why the latest Madden sales shocked a lot of people.

[Kleptic]

I seriously thought there was a MS insider back in 2007 that said 'refurbished' units were tallied in 'shipped' totals...and that was early enough that no one understood what 'refurbished' was referring to, or if it was even significant...

turned out it was the beginning of the most widespread hardware failure rate in electronic history...period...

I never read anything about it again though...that would definitely be pretty shady if that was the case...

the simple fact though is that both PS3 and 360 owners are generally regarded as 'core gamers...the PS3 is too expensive to get casual players in yet...and the 360 does not have anywhere near the genre diversity in games to attract casual gamers...so as it stands now, the only difference in game sales is mostly related to the installed base size of both consoles right now...I do think this article misses some points...but I also think 360 fans saying "ps3 owners never buy games" is pretty ridiculous...

[The Killer]

360 high attach rate is due to the disk scratching problem founded in 33% of 360's!

[Why o why]

'they' told us we dont buy games

'they' told us there were no games in the first place

'they' told us that NA is the KEY place in this console war

'they' sure do talk some sh!te

[Meus Renaissance]

This is certainly not the case in the US considering the NPD Figures, nor is it the case in the UK - the largest European market. There are no actual monthly sales figures in relation to software which shows the PS3 is blowing the 360 in terms of sales, or even by ratio/install base. I don't where EA and the likes are getting their figures from, I really dont.

Ofcourse the PS3 sells games, it's ridiculous to paint it as some sort of Gamecube 2.0. You can say it sells more than 360 games in Europe for sure, but if you take the publishers figures, it is not only out selling its competitors, its killing them with Wii-like inspiration. I just don't believe that.

PS3 owners aren't that hardcore in comparison to Xbox owners. And like I said, the official software sales figures show nothing that can be associated with these reports otherwise every media outlet would be picking up on it, Sony would be beating their chest and MS would be damage controlling. None of that is happening, so wtf is going on with these figures?

I challenge ANYONE to logically explain where these publishers are making their money from with the PS3, to be blowing the 360 away by an average of 40%.

[Parapraxis]

These are official business reports, they don't get their numbers from other sources.
They report their finance for themselves, for their investors and because they have to.
These are GLOBAL figures.
And they are FACTS.

Nice rediculous/irrelevant fanboy remarks Meus Renaissance.

EDIT: They cannot fabricate these figures, it would be illegal. It's hilarious to think you know better than the publishers as to what sales figures they should be reporting.
Get a life.

[Why o why]

playstation invented HARDCORE

[Surfman]

stop crying

[Meus Renaissance]

That makes no sense either. Publishers distribute their games around the countries, and directly onto retailers. Retailers are the ones that sell the games, so if a retailer says "We have sold an estimated XXX in this country", then EA take this figure back to their investors. Retailers can refuse to buy anymore stock if games aren't selling well, or normally they will order more stock if the games are selling great, on both accounts this news is feeded back to the publishers who in return report back to their hierarchy.

How can a publisher say to their investor we've sold "this XXX amount" when every retailer is saying "no, we've sold this XXX amount". If the seller is saying we haven't sold as many as that, then where exactly are the figures coming from?

In every public presentation, Microsoft have flaunted their sales figures and they do extremely well in software attachment ratio. That's not to say anything, but I don't see Sony showing any slideshows about demolishing Microsoft's own boasted software sales. Look at what these two are saying because they are the ones who really know.

This isn't about me crying you idiots. I'm saying these figures don't add up, stop being so blind and eating everything that comes your way. It's called "fanboyish behavior".

EDIT 2: I didn't say they are inflating their numbers, but someone is obviously lying here. One person is saying different to another, I'm asking why and how and you tell me to get a life? Suck a lemon you fool.

[season007]

considering that sony might have less share in progit generated from each copy of game sold....i doubt each ps3 copy and xbox360 copy of game generate same profit for developers

[tplarkin7]

The 360 has the highest attach rate (8.1 games per console). The PS3 is at 5.

The 360 sells more games per console and has more consoles.

Maybe the writer confused growth numbers with total sales numbers. The PS3 probably grew faster than the 360 in software sales since it is a newer console.

[Pennywise]

PS3 owners aren't that hardcore in comparison to Xbox owners.

Come on Meus, you just crossed a fanboy line there. I always viewed you as a even minded non bias gamer... But come on, half of my friends list is on everyday playing games.

See my above comment and in open zone for my thinking on this matter. RROD/replacement units are included in 360 sales numbers. Not to mention 360's that break that people just buy a new unit which is a wash for numbers instead of +1.

[Why o why]

tut tut, can you say 'AMERICA FCUK YEAH!'

those numbers are for NA not the thing called 'THE WORLD', did you know that the world is bigger than NA??

[Parapraxis]

EA's Q4 '08 Earnings report - .PDF
http://files.shareholder.co...
See Page 12.

EA's Q1 '09 Earnings report - .PDF
http://files.shareholder.co...
See Page 11.

[Roukuko]

lol xbox gamers more hardcore thats the dumbest thing ive heard on n4g and ive heard alot of dumb stuff on this site.

[VampHuntD]

I don't see what was said as fanboyish at all, he has some points in there, but I don't think we get the full picture either. With that in mind, the numbers are somewhere or this will be debunked later (I happen to think the numbers are there somewhere personally).

As far as PS3 gamers not being as hardcore as 360 gamers, if you equate hardcore with fanboyish then yes. Don't get me wrong, there are Sony fanboys that are equally ridiculous and believe Sony can do no wrong. Like many otehrs here (I would assume) I have been a gamer since Atari, and I've NEVER seen fanboys emerge as they did for the original Xbox Console. Sure there were Sega and Nintendo Wars for a while, but even then everyone knew the other console was decent. It seemed to me that the original Xbox owners believed the console was not capable of anything but greatness and that transferred over to the 360 fanbase.

At the same time, it created rabid sony fanboys in order to combat the rapid microsoft fanboys while the rapid nintendo fanboys just keep to themselves and know that of all 3 consoles, their choice was the easiest and yet hardest to defend because it has the most exclusives, but also is deemed the "Kids Choice".

[XxZxX]

Meus, Using purely NPD stats to make your judgement is like declaring victory over Amazon sales rank. US is part of the world, the biggest gaming country but if you combine a bunch of small countries together, they will top US of course.

The numbers are as real as it can get, it's the financial reports from publishers. You can choose to believe NPD which uses rough estimate on some retailers but not a financial reports of publishers. You are crazy.

[cliffbo]

MS would be damage controlling...

price drop

[Why o why]

bubble

ill add that MS's very own VP's act and say fanboyish things and constantly make digs about things they don't have, own or create. Why would the fans not be rabid. I honestly believe its a cultural thing. East vs West

[SL1M DADDY]

Assuming that you are comparing a publishers numbers with the NPD's numbers you might want to take into account that NPD is for North America alone and only takes its data from about 30% of the stores selling the games. So while the NPD posts up numbers used for good bench marks, the actual data from the publisher is by far more accurate.

[Stubacca]

Bravo Sir. Bubbles.

Couldn't agree more. I love my PS3. Would never buy a 360 but I don't see why everybody loves to tell everyone else what's good for them. It's all about preference.

I wonder if the data about games sales include PSN games or if it's just retail, cause I've got like 30 or something and I can't be alone.

[SuperM]

The statistics shows that Ubisoft earn most of its money in europe. So i guess it makes sense that they sell alot for the ps3. Typical american to think the US is the only place in the world that matters.

Shocking news incomming: it isnt

Infact europe has taken over the throne as the biggest market

[fan_of_gaming]

the PS3's attach rate was 6.5 worldwide as of June 30th, not 5. That's only a game and a half per console behind the X360, which had a year head start. That means that the PS3 is selling games faster than the X360.

[na2ru1]

"Stop whining"

[na2ru1]

throws a stun grenade. pffft!

[HardcoreGamer]

all i can think of is (hey i maybe wrong in my logic here)

GAMES SELL MORE TO CASUAL GAMERS THAN HARDCORE GAMERS SO ITS SOUNDS OBVIOUS. PS3 WILL END UP WITH MORE CASUAL GAMERS.

please dont include wii. i stress so much as to why i bought it

[pp]

Bull sh*t.

[larry]

NO multiplat game sells more on x360
All multiplat sell more on PS3 based on WW sales
Come december it will be even worse for TRash box 360
Resistance 2 and LBP will give x360 the final death blow

[ThatCanadianGuy]

Shhh!! If you listen carefully..you can hear the sound of PP's heart shatter :)

[she00win99]

no, you already ate your bullsh!t..

[Pennywise]

EAT IT PP! lol sucker... cheering for the wrong team sucks for you!

[ultimolu]

Uh-oh, my senses are tingling. I hear a crying bot in a world of denial!

[Mr PS3]

Thy Silly Little BoT

[Dragunov]

the better part is PSN free, that makes a difference.

[Man_of_the_year]

Not to me or 14+ million other users - i buy multi plat games on the 360 and exclusives. The PS3 i only buy exclusives. I enjoy Live over PSN...sorry but i just do. And i will continue to pay $50 a year as it allows me to be more connected with my friends than PSN does.

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

If you have to complain about the $5.00/ month for XBL then you shouldn't really be buying things like PS3's or 360's

[pansenbaer]

"the better part is PSN free, that makes a difference."

Can you please tell me which part of that sentence is complaining? He is saying PSN is better because its free. Period. No 'complaining'

And at Man_of_the_Year, 'more connected with my friends'? What the heck does that mean? How are you 'more connected' on Xbox Live? I really don't get that...

[Man_of_the_year]

How can you not get it...do you not know how unified Live is appose to PSN??? I can see at anytime either on my Blackberry or my comp what they are playing and i can text them and from my phone or comp and they will get it right away on their screens while they are playing - also i can invite them into my game when they are playing a different game and i can private chat them while in completely different games and i can check their friends list to see who they are playing with to see if they are in a clan match or not and thats just the tip of the iceberg...come on

I can also see the last 100 people i played against incase i wanna sent a friend request - i can also see their profiles and all the people that is on their game list - i can also send the same text or voice msg to everyone on my friends list and ppl that i played against all in 1 shot. I can choose to ignor players or prefer them so that future games i an decided if i will play against them again or not. There are so many things i can do with live and be more connected to my friends or just gamers in general.

How can you say you just don't get it?? Do some more research then and educate yourself on things before you make yourself look more ignorant than i am sure you really are.

Your comments failed like Zap Branigan's love....Hard and fast...

@ Pennywise
Why don't you take a look at my bio then and see what my PSN ID tag is...you too fail. You are so pathetic you have to resort to comments like that without even seeing for yourself...typical blind sony fanboy...you are just sad.

[Pennywise]

What he means by more connected with his friends is: He doesnt own a PS3, so Xbox live is all he can use to talk to friends.

[bunbun777]

I agreed with you buddy, for stating the obvious benefits that LIVE has, and for throwing in the Zap Brannigan hard and fast reference. Nice to see 360 users that can defend themselves without resorting to focusing on negatives.

[pansenbaer]

Man_of_the_Year wins Douchebag of the year award... I was being sincere in my saying, 'I really don't get it'. I really didn't understand what you meant. To me, you're either connected or not. You make it sound like you are obsessed over these 'friends' and that you would explode should you not be able to 'see what they are playing at all times'. That sounds more stalker like than anything else...Why would I want to invite someone to a game if they aren't playing it?! That never made sense to me. I would never stop playing a game just because someone wanted me to join their game. I can also see the people I just played with and I can see their profiles. Really a lot of that stuff is possible on PSN, you just reword how it works on live.

"choose to ignor players or prefer them so that future games i an decided if i will play against them again or not."

We have a block feature

I'm not trying to say that Live sucks, I was just defending the fact that PSN is free. There is no work around it. Its free. Fact. I do not have to pay to play online. And I get A LOT of extra features, again, FOR FREE.

[Man_of_the_year]

you can't compare the extent of what Live has to PSN. I have both and i can see them. And your whole "sounds like stalking to me" thats a pretty sad comment. When i log on i let my friends know what game i am in and see if they want to join in with private chat - if they do then i send them an invite - if they don't then i don't. Also i am in a clan and we like to see who is on and set times when we can all meet - there are so many scenarios as to why we would be seeing who is on and what they are playing...

i am sorry but as long as MS has these features and keeps adding new things to these then i will never have a prob with paying $50 a year. You get what you pay for and PSN is free...and at the moment it looks like it should be.

And your little "douche-bag of the year" comment...glad to see i got under your skin and bothered ya...next time instead of asking stupid ignorant questions, just simply do some research.

[pansenbaer]

Wow, he still doesn't get it. I was asking you, personally, Man_of_the_Year, what YOU mean when YOU say 'more connected'. I would not use have of the stuff you say you use if I had Live so I don't see it as being more connected. The only reason I care about my friends list is to occasionally play with them if they happen to be in the same game, or compare trophies. Do you understand now? I couldn't be 'more connected' with the people on my friends list because I don't care to. Thus the reason I asked what YOU meant by that. Sheesh...

[HardcoreGamer]

EITHER YOUR THE ONLY ONE INF YOU FAMILY PLAYING GAMES ON LINE OR AN ONLY CHILD IN TEH FAMILY ETC ETC.

BECAUSE WE HAVE 4 IN THIS HOUSE AND 1 WILL GET HER ACCOUNT ONLINE SOON. I DONT WANNA BE PAYING 5 TIMES FOR XBOX LIVE FOR ALL MY FAMILY THAT WOULD BE STUPID - I THINK BIGGER FAMILYS DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE ON THE WHOLE PSN IS FREE ALONE.

360 JUST GOT OWNED ( I FRIGGIN HAVE ONE AND AM THE ONLY ONE LEFT NOW WITH A LIVE ACCOUNT IN MY FAM CUZ IM HARDCORE)

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

TAke it easy.

Its basically a get what you pay for kind of deal man. Pay nothing, get nothing.

And you have 4+ people all gaming online at the same time with 4+ different sign in's? You must have a pretty sweet internet service. And if you're not all playing online at once, why not share a Tag?

makes not difference to me. all I was saying (and I know he wasn't directly b1tching about having to pay for live) was if you have to even mention that as a strong/weak point you may need rethink where your money is tied up. Have those othjer 3 people get jobs or do chores man. XBL IS worth it

[Bombomb]

I wanna see some real STATS to support all this FUD with numbers please..

post them ratios

[pansenbaer]

Parapraxis has already posted them.

2008

http://files.shareholder.co...

Page 12

Q1 2009

http://files.shareholder.co...

Page 11

[Parapraxis]

Ubisoft
http://www.edge-online.com/...
"A breakdown of sales by platform showed that DS accounted for 36 percent of first quarter revenues, compared to 16 percent last year. PS3 and PC sales accounted for 21 percent and 14 percent, up from 19 percent and six percent respectively, while Wii and Xbox 360 sales accounted for eleven percent and nine percent of revenues, down from 14 percent and 17 percent in quarter one last fiscal year"

[Darkseider]

Real stats? FUD?

Dude these are the quarterly financials from the publishers. They are FACT, period as they are earnings reports. So now that we got all of this out of the way. The PS3 is more profitable for the publishers and devs to make games on. So more devs will be making the PS3 the lead console knowing this to capitalize on the market and profit.

As for the XBox 360s sold I do believe that MS may be fudging the numbers just as they did for Vista. MS included upgrade coupons as numbers of Vista licenses sold. Even though the unit was still running Windows XP Pro/Home they counted the coupon as a Vista sale to bloat their numbers. It is very well possible that they did sell 20 mil units but out of the 20 mil how many are RRoD replacements?

[Rhoic]

Huh? I thought this was talking about games, not hardware.. It's a known fact that the 360 sells the most on their software. They've also been doing it in Japan as well.

When a few companies like EA and Ubisoft state things that revolve around all the companies of the gaming world, I say that is BS.

[VampHuntD]

So how about that Ace Combat 6 Namco? I've been waiting.....

Really though, where is it?

(Note to devs: Selling more with sometimes a myriad of issues, imagine what sells would be like if you got it all right!)

[kevnb]

lots of it on 360, not rocket science.

[ThatCanadianGuy]

That's another good point !

[Why o why]

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[TheBarExam_2]

Don't believe it..And I'm a ps3 owner

[Th3 Chr0nic]

Xbox 360 = Rampant priacy

PS3 = Not so much a problem

so simple logic tells you that there are less people buying the games on 360 cause they dont need to. If u have ps3 u must buy the games. So if piracy wasnt a problem on 360 then u would have all these people that have no option but to buy games. So that would make the sales either look equal on both systems or more than likely the 360 would be blowing the ps3 away. I know some people that havent bought a 360 game in a yea but they have every game on the market almost. these people are hardcore gamers so if they didnt have the option to pirate they would most likely be buying games, maybe not everyt single one that comes out cause that would cost a fortune but i think you can get my point.
so while you may have more sales on ps3 there is probably more people playing on 360

[Fishy Fingers]

"Rampant priacy "

Don't be a drama queen, piracy on the 360 is not anywhere near the proportion of PC, funny how a few articles about Gears/Fallout leaking and suddenly its a "Rampant" problem. 360 has suffered at the hands of pirates from about 6 months after release. The number of users who actually do pirate their games is actually relatively small, and even then, a good percentage do buy the games at retail as they require the online play.

Lots of 360 piracy article do not equal huge numbers of pirates. For example, nobody was even concerned with 360 piracy on this site a few months ago, suddenly everyone with a 360 is a pirate. Another case of the internet making a mountain out of a mole hill.

I bet you 99.9% of 360 users wouldn't even know where to start or how to get pirate games to play on a 360.

[dragunrising]

I agree. All this talk about piracy on the 360 is overblown. Most people are aware of the consequences of cheating and pirating. No one wants a bricked console and "most" people appreciate Xbox Live multiplayer. It will be interesting to see how many reports there are of 360's bricking because of mods. At least there is a consequence. Watch out for the Fall update all of you "360" pirates:-p Jk

[Th3 Chr0nic]

Piracy hasnt been a huge problem until the last 4-6 month but the sales numbers we are discussing here are during that time so they would have a direct effect on the numbers we are discussing. For the last 2-4 months almost every 360 game that has came out has hit the net for download and many of these well before the street date. So this does affect the current sales numbers as well as any future numbers also. And piracy is a bigger problem on 360 than people think. Yes it is easier to pirate on a PC but guess what...there are no good games on PC anymore that are worth pirating. All the best hits are becomming console only and the trend is going to follow. The only games that are not going to be included in that are the subsription based games like WOW and MMOs. So if there is nothing to pirate on the PC then the next best source is the 360. the problem is growing and growing and it is not going to slow down. and more and more ppl are starting to pirate everyday. go check some forums where ppl discuss how to mod and stuff, there are always new ppl looking for help on how to mod their systems and the majority of them have no tech experience but they manage to do it or pay someone to do it for them.

[heyheyhey]

im not sure about more sales...

but i am sure that software sales on the PS3 are in a very healthy shape at the moment... healthy enough to convince skeptical developers *ahem*Valve*ahem* to support the console

healthy enough to convince EA to bring Mass Effect 2 to the PS3? HipHopGamer anyone?

Monster Hunter on PS3?? what do you think Capcom?? chuck in Dead Rising while your at it..

another great thing is that there's ZERO piracy on the PS3.... ZEEERRRROOOOOOO!!!!!!!... and likely never will be

things are looking up for the PS3

@man of the year

i didn't use HHG as a source... NO WAY!!!

you must've misunderstood me, i was merely suggesting that there could be some weight to what HHG is saying..

...reliable sources or not, what HHG was suggesting is entirely plausible

strong software sales on PS3 + EA as publisher= Mass Effect 2 multiplatform

while im not disregarding HHG's rumors completely given his recent success and therefore possible interaction with developers.... i take what he says with two truck-fulls of salt and am definitely NOT using him as a "source"

[Man_of_the_year]

LOL using HHG as your source that Mass Effect 2 may come to the PS3...LOL thats just sad...

[Andras84]

A single 25GB Blu-ray disc right now is $25. So who will pay you $25 or $30 if you want to profit for the same game they can get in the store with the original box and be able to pay only for just $25 more. I would not pay $20 for a pirated game let alone $30. It's just won't worth it even if they hack the PS3 at the moment.

[Oner]

I don't know where you get this $25 for BD's bit when they go for $5.28 - $7.60 each right here ~ http://www.tapeandmedia.com...

[XxZxX]

MH on PS3, not a chance. MH is solely japanese game. and PS3 doesnt do quite well in japan.

[DarkArima]

I am starting to think you are a 360 fanboy =/ mhm mhm..

[0verdrive]

ps3 is dominating japan. doesnt really matter if xbox has outsold ps3 by a little bit for the last 5 or 6 weeks. the fact is there are still like 4:1 ps3s vs xboxs in japan. i dont know about monster hunter, but they did port over the psp games so its not like they WONT do it just because its a japanese game.

[Evocation]

Well, I guess you can also take into account hacked Xbox's not buying games,

But then I'd Imagen the number of people that have a PS3 just for blu-ray would also even it out.

[heyheyhey]

the blu-ray crowd are currently mostly tech-savvy consumers.... and therefore will not be afraid to buy a game or two seeing as their Blu-Ray player is also a brilliant games machine

pirates on the 360 base, no matter how devoted to gaming, are definitely not going to support the industry any time soon

[Evocation]

If anything piracy is going to get worse, One of the clever anti piracy things with the xbox360 was the RROD, now the price means that you could replace a xbox for 2 FRP games.

[360 man]

given the charts and sales in games if you believe that ps3 is selling more third party software than 360 then you are truly stupid and i feel sorry for your stupidity

[digger18]

So who am I going to believe, some made up charts like VG or from the mouths of EA, Konami, Namco Bandi and Ubisoft?

[PirateThom]

Europe's a pretty big place and more important to the industry through sheer sales than the US right now.

PS3 is outselling 360 in both Hardware and software in Europe.

[she00win99]

where's you price cut now xbots!!

[larry]

PS3 outsells all games on x360 by big margins in europe

I repeat by BIG margins

[S1nnerman]

This is very confusing. I only own a PS3 so I'm obviously happy for Sony. However, I have been led to believe that the PS3 was failing (I'm going off recent N4G posts). Clearly something weird going on in the world of xbox360 sales (or PS3 sales)!

[Dark General]

To put it mildly. Don't worry about it. The Ps3 is doing fine and will continue to do fine. The gap between 360 and Ps3 isn't that big as some people would have you believe. In other words don't about sales, just worry about the games.

[Imallvol7]

I think that the fact that Xbox Live is a pay service is holding it back . . . way back.

[UnwanteDreamz]

Let me just say only a kid would think xbox gamers are more hardcore than PS. You guys are just starting to see RPG's, good ones at least. Whatever most xbox users prefer FPS nuff said you're full of it.

[Meus Renaissance]

Saturated with fanboys. You can't even talk here anymore.

[Pennywise]

Not when you say silly stuff like: PS3 owners aren't that hardcore in comparison to Xbox owners.

Its almost as if you think in between Bluray movies all PS3 users do is play singstar and buzz.

You expect a civil response? You are usually more careful than that. I admit the people who post hater comments with no backup gets old, I try to add a little proof/validation to my comments, but my temper gets in the way sometimes when I fall for the trolls remarks.

[Meus Renaissance]

Penny, your judgement of my comments mean zilch to me. Least of all when you can justify the fray of bias here with my supposed uncivilised comment. If you go to a PS3 thread and say something negative, automatic bubble loss or tons of disagrees. Same thing with 360 threads.

And my comment stated that PS3 users are not AS hardcore as 360 owners. That does NOT mean PS3 aren't hardcore, it stipulates that you'll get more of a hardcore gaming community on the Green side than you will on the PS3 side, hence the constant high attachment sales for 360 titles.

[Pennywise]

Maybe we arent hardcore enough cause we have jobs unlike the little kiddies in school. I dont care what you think of my comments. I dont care what anyone thinks... Its just funny how you can say stuff like that and wonder why.

[Snukadaman_]

Let them believe what they want...and You still see games on the xbox not coming to ps3.

"ANALYSTS: PS3 selling more games than Xbox 360 with smaller install base"
nuff said.

[iHEARTboobs]

I think Sony GAMERS are just as hardcore. Sure the "green side" is more likely to have more hardcore gamers but i will assume it's because the PS3 is saturated with gamers and some blu-ray only consumers while the 360 is only gamers. Gamers on both sides are equally hardcore but like i said before, there is probably more on the "green side."

[XxZxX]

sure meus, in that case no one can argue with you. On the first reaction you didn't get the right response you wanted, you throw it fanboys and trolls as your defense. Nice going.

[Dark General]

I wouldn't say they're more hardcore, i'd say both camps are about even. Though i do know more 360 owners with a Wii and Ps3 as well more than i know Ps3 owners with multiple consoles.

[iHEARTboobs]

"Though i do know more 360 owners with a Wii and Ps3 as well more than i know Ps3 owners with multiple consoles. "

You mean they started as 360 owners then bought a Wii and PS3?

[Dark General]

Yeah the majority of them. All my close buddies i game with have both a 360 and a Ps3 except for one who only have a Ps3. They started with a 360 only then eventually brought a Ps3.

I know a few Wii owners though that brought a 360 after awhile. But i think the majority of them started 360 only then brought a Wii or Ps3 later.

[cmrbe]

I generally agree with you as you are one of the most logical person on this site but seriously don't be naive.

You know very well that this site is is full of trolls. If you can't handle the heat that accompanies what you post then i guess you are not as old as i think. Better yet don't post if you can't handle the reaction.

[Lucreto]

This is confusing. We see the ratio for 360 is 8.2 I believe but the PS3 is selling more games but I think I see a factor.

We don't know how much MS takes of the share of each game. Sony could have a lower fee than MS. 360 might sell more games but with the royalties they make more money on the PS3.

[Rampant]

Laughed my way through the entire article. Sonyboys are gonna have a blast with this :D

[dirkdady]

the numbers speak for themselves

[Andras84]

Right now I own more tha 50 PS3 games so if others are like that as well than no wonder the PS3 is bringing in more money. I always get the latest game and I don't have the best job in the world. I have a below avarage job and still can afford it.

[Omega4]

Then why is the 360 attach rate higher?

[Andras84]

about a year ago. Welcome to the future!

[Fishy Fingers]

Probably because it was on the market a year longer.

Project for you, find out the attach rate when wii/PS3 launched, then minus that from the total attach rate currently (8.1 I think), compare that number to the wii/ps3, then you can see how attach rate compares to time on the market.

[tk]

Can be a number of things...

- RRoD causing that there is much less XB360 active than sold (must have some impact +/- 15 to 30%)

- Differences in the license holder cost. MS taking bigger slice?

[killalot100]

this numbers are from the publishers them selfs and think they have better resources then NPD. this numbers show publishers how sales are going so they can budget for other things so i think they take more effort to get this numbers right. i really dont believe M$ when they say they sold this amount of number of 360 consoles. they count shipped not sold alike sony which count sold. i dont trust either with their numbers but its been fishy with M$ how business is doing. i still think there gaming division is still hurting them same goes for sony. i bet that sales are going to go up for M$ past november because a lot of first wave 360's are going to be out of warranty and they are so many hooked 360 fans that would gladly buy another 360 if they get rrod.

[The Lazy One]

Publisher numbers don't take into account games sold, just games ordered by retailers. Also, they also take into account things that don't say anything about retail sales.

One thing I don't think they show is the profit off each console, just the revenue. It costs a lot more to develop on a PS3 (pure development not licensing) than it does for a 360.

[bee2427]

lazy if you are right which i dont know but if it is how many tehy sell to retailers, why would they put out more copies of the ps3 if they werent going to sell more than the 360?

[4cough]

Hmmmm whats that I smell....... hmmmm its very strong.........It seems to be coming from where my PS3 is sitting.......... Ahh I know what it is....... Itsssssssss "BULLSH!T!

[digger18]

Yes you should know all about BS, because thats all what comes out of your mouth.

Just grow up!!!

[snoopgg]

In a few months Killzone 2 is going to sell a shatload of games!!!!!

[whoaitztoan]

newzbin baby

[bigman7387]

What?

[Salvadore]

Whoaitztoan, are you Soulja Boi by any chance?

[griff2]

That's very noughty my friend;-)

[Terror2k9]

This is a flat out lie! i haved checked this out the 360 outsells the ps3 and wii in software....bullshit!

[thewhoopimen]

Well now... it's nice that you say so... but where's your current proof?

[Rhoic]

Um.. you people realize that America > The rest of the world in consumer numbers right? Again, I call BS on this post. EA and Ubisoft don't account for all the gaming companies out there?

Was it a lie when GTA IV was a 3:1 on the 360 compared to the PS3?

Was it a lie when Madden on the 360 sold 1 million while the PS3 sold 500 thousand?

Was it a lie when the 360 outsold the PS3 in software sales in Japan for 6 weeks straight?

Is it a lie when Microsoft says all their multiplatform games sell 2:1 on the 360 compared to the PS3? Where is SONY touting their software sales?

This just seems like some jackass wrote a post to piss people off rofl. I want proof of the numbers of THE WORLD.. not some company like Ubisoft or EA.

[Snyph3r]

That's what's killing the M$ software sales...I know a few people with XBox and they just download the games...in a way it pisses me off, when ever we talk about me buying a multiplat games in PS3, their comeback is oh, I downloaded it already.....

[killalot100]

i try to talk to one of my friends about games but it like he played every game already and makes it seem like the game has been out forever because he finished a early release pirated game. i dont think pirating is really that bad on the 360 but it can get really bad really fast like the original xbox and the ps2 also had a lot of pirating to.

[lelik]

i think the problem is xbox 360 used games are dirt cheap. you can get games for like 10 dollars. the publishers make nothing on these games. ps3 game prices are really high, and the difference between a used game and a new game tends to be very small. people just end up buying the games new. for this reason a publisher makes more money off ps3 even if it is actually selling less games.

just a theory.

[doomsonyman]

interesting man

[whoaitztoan]

muahhahhahah

[power of Green]

That EA report was spread with missinformation like this news post.

That EA report was based on EA reporting on PS3's after sales revenue vs the 360's 6 month delayed reports(the two companies deal with this matter differently) lol

UbiSoft had realesed PS3 exclusive games durring that period or had delayed games fall into that window as well. lol

Konami, Namco Bandi are Japanese companies that had released PS3 exclusives and delayed games that released durring this period lol.

PS3=John Mccain and Sara Palin

[DarkArima]

I was going to say something smart ass but eh nevermind. by the looks of it you wont be talking for very long lol..

[XxZxX]

HHAHAHAHAH XBOT in denial. How lovely. please crawl back to your VGChartz and those publishers bullshit just dunno are they talking about right??? HAHHAHAA you guys are funny

[lelo]

Very strange numbers... the countries that have any kind of system the specifies the sales of software like US, UK, Japan, and others, normally the X360 has more sales in multiplatform games. Maybe MS takes i bigger chunk from each game sold then Sony? MS royalties are probably bigger? Maybe 3rd party receive less money from each game sold on the X360? I really don't know.

Very strange numbers indeed.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Agreed. Something doesn't add up when you see how game sales are with the 360 throughout the year. I think interpreting these numbers as directly correlated to copies sold might not be correct.

[Covenant]

Here's a thought:

Could it be that games are more profitable on the PS3 because they're developed first on the 360 (more often than not), which incurs the majority of dev costs, and then ported to the PS3 (which costs less than full development)?

[Kyur4ThePain]

But most of the companies seem to be reporting higher sales numbers, not profit.

[Doctor Strange]

This is interesting but I think people forget worldwide the PS3 does better then the Xbox 360. We can't claim these official reports to be lies either because companies like EA, Ubisoft wouldn't benefit.

[power of Green]

It's like media reporting Square Enix is making more money/revenue on the 360 this year, any moron whould know why (forget the size of the bases with this example)

[dirkdady]

How do you explain EA, Namco and UbiSoft making more money off PS3 than Xbox 360?
Its not like those three publishers had some blockbuster exclusives like Square Enix.

Haze sold piss poor not even enough to break even, so you can't even attribute that game to the PS3 selling more games for UbiSoft.
Ubisoft had some exclusive Xbox 360 games out as well.

[dirkdady]

Clearly we have only been looking at US figures from NPD, but if you take software sales from across the globe the PS3 is selling more third party software than Xbox 360.

[pp]

Enouph is enouph droids keep talking out of your ass and you'll soon stink the Open Zone wth your bull sh*t.

[FBl]

It hurts don't it?

[XxZxX]

Hey I thought I heard you say PS3 is doom last time. And XBOX 360 is all about software sales. WHAT HAPPEN MAN.. HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA

[Ninja-Sama]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....omg PP I can imagine ur face right now...priceless! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHGAHAHAHAHA

[Parapraxis]

http://files.shareholder.co...
^.pdf file
EA's Q1 '09 Earnings
See the Q4 earnings as well.
Page 11/16

Ubisoft
http://www.edge-online.com/...
"A breakdown of sales by platform showed that DS accounted for 36 percent of first quarter revenues, compared to 16 percent last year. PS3 and PC sales accounted for 21 percent and 14 percent, up from 19 percent and six percent respectively, while Wii and Xbox 360 sales accounted for eleven percent and nine percent of revenues, down from 14 percent and 17 percent in quarter one last fiscal year"

Konami - http://www.n4g.com/News-179...
FY2009 Q1
Unit Sales Platform Mix
Consoles
PS3 57.3 %
PS2 11.5 %
Wii 9.9 %
360 2.6 %

[Parapraxis]

I love the fact people disagree with factual numbers lol!

[bee2427]

yeah you could have the president of ubisoft on a lie detector machine telling them that the ps3 is outselling xbox and these 5 year olds will disagree with you ... or maybe there 20 but have the maturity of an child

[Rhoic]

MGS4 is not a multiplatform game you nub.

[robotnik]

Piracy, why would someone buy X360 games when you can d/l, burn, and play it for free?
Since the PS3 still remains unhacked, people will keep buying games for it.

[aggh im on fire]

Im all for good news but this is false, everyone knows the 360 sells more games.
Lol.

[thewhoopimen]

how can it be false if we are looking at quarterly financials? Did god tell you that? or old bill put u up to it?

[bee2427]

please show proof if you make this statement... like others have ... to prove that you are wrong

[cmrbe]

everyone believed that the world is flat.

[aggh im on fire]

I call bsh!t on this. just look at the charts and games sold per console. Assasins Creed 3mil on Ps3, 5mill on xbox, COD4 3.5mill ps3 6mill xbox and on it goes.
It doens't take a genius to work it out.

[Parapraxis]

you want charts?
http://files.shareholder.co...

[FBl]

You're going by VGFartz numbers?

[dirkdady]

If you look at all of their weeks they pretty much stop recording sales increase after a month or two, it really doesn't account if a game has good legs on one console like the PS3 vs the Xbox 360...
Plus, VGChartz are always wayyyyy off, they are off on console sales, think about how much they are off on software sales.

[anubis12]

who cares i am still paying 64.19 for my 360/ps3 games

[robotnik]

The PlayStation brand is dead they said.

[ultimolu]

LOL!
And they said the PS3 is dead.
I just bought Far Cry 2 today and R2 and LBP are on the way. Holy crap I'm gonna be so broke...@_@

[Lord Xire]

When your system doesn't sell as many games as it's competitor in order to keep publishers happy you cut publishing costs. When it's in demand you increase little thing called business.

We all sound like useless tools...on the FACT that we know nothing that goes on at the corporate offices of these publishers.

Ubisoft published Haze which was epic fail but sold at it's time if they shipped 1million copies to retailers for 30$/each that's $30mil

Namco Bandai in Japan...shipping more to retailers on Ps3 when the Ps3 has more than double the consoles there...wow I wouldn't have known?!? /sarcasm

Konami....MGS4 duh.

EA the publishing hounds who own 15% of Ubisoft Capital...GSUS.

Theres probably much more we don't know about but you have to be really ill in the brain if you think the Ps3 sells more games to consumers then the 360.

Since when does shipping to the retailers involve you? What has it done? Do the games from EA, Ubisoft, Namco Bandai, Konami have trophies upon release?

I see it as more money for less the effort.

But the thing is no matter how hard you want to fanboy an excuse these numbers won't mean anything.

[dirkdady]

That if third party publishers see the PS3 as a strong revenue source then more support will be given..
For example EA is developing exclusive DLC content for Mirror's Edge for PS3.
EA also developed exclusive content for the PS3 version of FIFA 09.
http://gamer.blorge.com/200...

Sony has made it publicaly clear they don't write checks for exclusive content, so what gives? Why is EA developing exclusive stuff for the PS3?

Its got to be a partnership type situation, you rub my back and I'll rub your back in the long run.

[Lord Xire]

EA is an equal type company.

They've given the 360 Betas and Timed Exclusivity.

Who says Sony needs to write checks? Look at stock sharing you think EA doesn't want a piece of the pie you don't think a nice 2% with games like KZ2, God of War3 etc etc won't make EA enough money to get all chummy with Sony?

Nothing is Non Profit with EA especially with the loans they've taken out to acquire Take Two (which failed) I might add.

But as I've said before we will never know.

[griff2]

These are hard numbers and the year on year percentage increase suggests that EA have increased their revenue from PS3 game sales from 17.4% to 29.1%.

And a look at the numbers year on year % changes also shows that EA sold 3.4 x as many PS3 games as 360 games..

[mll09]

Oh wait.

Is that MS being destroyed by RROD?

Wait, wait, no it looks like a PS3...

Sh*tty60 just got pwned.

[dylantalon]

THIS IS JUST TOO FUNNY, ITS FUNNY THAT THE DEADBOX 180 WAS RELEASED A YEAR FIRST AND NOW THE PS3 IS DOING BETTER IN SOFTWARE SALES EVEN THOUGH THE DEADBOX 180 HAS A BIGGER INSTALL BASE. XBOX SUCKS AS A GAME MACHINE CAUSE ITS UTTER RUBBISH.

PS3 IS THE FUTURE, AND THE FUTURE IS PS3.

PS. the talon stands for talented

[Strikepackage Bravo]

The number do mean something, this is good news for PS3, its just not the news you guys are saying it is, like I said on the first page.

You guys are misreading the numbers, in business we only care about growth, the numbers on the reports represent the % of growth compared to last quarter or period or whatever time frame they want to represent.

In other words, if 360 sold 100 games and PS3 sold 50 games last quarter, and this quarter, PS3 sold 100 games and 360 sold 110, then PS3 had a 50% increase while 360 only had a 10% increase, but as you can see 360 still sold more.

Unfortunately this is not saying PS3 is doing better than 360, its just doing better than it was at the same time last year.

[dirkdady]

no, the % is indicated as percentage of total revenue, read the headers for the chart.
It does also show % growth from YOY, but the writer is talking about revenue percentage which is accurately shown in the charts.

[Jeremy Gerard]

total revenue in Q2 07 vs Q2 08.

[VampHuntD]

Thanks and I agree with ya. The cultural thing I think is what caused the fanboyish behavior. But seriously, never seen true fanboys until xbox 1. Not to say it wasn't a good console, it was a great console, I have one actually. It was sturdy, had games, had LIVE (which I never used and still don't with my 360) and delivered for certain.

For some reason, xbox fanboys really needed their console to "win" last gen. And no, they've moved on to this gen. Quite frankly, no matter how you slice it, I hate all fanboys. They all suck.

[ForROME]

""This is a flat out lie! i haved checked this out the 360 outsells the ps3 and wii in software....bullshit! ""

Sigh, I swear, go ahead buddy wheres the proof besides your voice...? Anytime now were waiting, I own neithier system as Im on the fence, but numbers from companies don't lie, they are not fan boys , they are...a business

[UnwanteDreamz]

What r you trying to say? Link your research.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

You are right, the company numbers dont usually lie, not unless your Enron.

But in this case the numbers are just being misread. When they say Q2 07/08 they are say Quarter 2 2007 vs 2008, they are referring to the percentage of growth, from one to another.

The total revenue per console has nothing to do with this, 360s sell far more games for 3rd parties than PS3, its a known fact based on "the numbers" that you have so much trust in, and rightly so.

MS has been bragging about the fact that they make more for 3rd parties for years now, where have you guys been.

[DiabloRising]

Wow. The MS defense force is out in full swing in this thread. Sad, I can feel POG crying and going "buh buh buh" in after every post.

There is definitely something fishy going on, either erroneous reporting, or flubbing of numbers/information by MS or the reporter. Who knows, not me.

The 360 sells a lot of games. The PS3 is doing a lot better than it did at launch, especially for third parties. Good games are selling on both systems, isn't that what matters? The PS3 and 360 are here to stay, neither one is doomed, so stop acting like we can't have two great systems around.

[UnwanteDreamz]

So very true. I am a fan of the PlayStation brand. That in no way means I do not hope for success from MS with its console. I dont know why the death of one or the other makes so many drool.

I personaly do not want to see gamers go through another Dreamcast like death with a console.

[ultimolu]

Lol. And I see disagrees for my comments already. xD
Can you blame them? They'll defend MS to the death.

[DiabloRising]

Seriously Dream. I want both around, becuase it gives the competition incentive to do better, try harder. Fanboys just don't see the big picture, too busy having their tiny pissing matches to see the industry at large.

[Eiffel]

This article is biased as best.

[DJ]

Just because you're unhappy with the 360's software sales performance is no reason to accuse EA, Ubisoft, Konami, and Bandai-Namco of being "biased."

[Eiffel]

The xbox360 is selling higher with software sales than any other console..you must be thinking of Hardware my poor in dial comrade.

[bee2427]

what is in dial ..... and please provide your proof because so far everything is against you all you have is a hunch

[Eiffel]

What exactly is against me?

And this Analysis is a Hunch as you say.

[comm13]

Put brain in gear before engaging mouth.

[DJ]

Sony is selling more hardware AND more software than Microsoft, which has a huge effect on how publishers and developers end up treating the 360. If the PS3 continues its steady market growth and becomes significantly more lucrative than the 360 platform, we’ll start seeing the 360 multiplatform market start to dry up and/or decrease in quality.

Once the 3rd party software disappears, it’s over. Sony doesn’t make many exclusivity deals, but when they do it’s significant. If they could invest enough money to make 3 or 4 big-name franchises go PS3 exclusive (not timed, I mean Permanently) such as Rock Band or GTA, that would be a huge blow. I don’t see them doing something that big until there’s roughly a 2:1 install base difference between the PS3 and 360 and the PS3 has at least 40 million consoles sold, but it will happen.

[Strikepackage Bravo]

Now come on DJ, PS3 is not selling more software than 360, you will find no numbers to prove that, what you will find are numbers that prove the amount of software sold on PS3 by 3rd parties is growing faster than it is on 360, as it better be since it was at disastrously low levels in comparison to 360 in the early PS3 years.

360 still sells more than Wii and PS3 for 3rd parties by far, and MS has nothing to worry about yet, and as their install base takes off due to the price drop, they probably never will need to worry.

[DJ]

The truth. They're selling more software on the PS3 than the 360, and there's no way to dispute that fact. And again, these are worldwide sales figures. 360 has an edge in North America, but North America is only the second-largest gaming territory. Europe comes in first.

[rawd]

haha

Oh bots, go screencap VAGCharts and make it your desktop wallpaper

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

HAHAHA thanks for the laugh fellas, I love watching droids get high on pixie dust.

[NickIni]

And I like watching tears roll down Xbots faces and the sounds of their hearts breaking.

These figures came from the companies themselves. So they are correct.

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

Use that mirror, cut up that pixie dust, and snooort your way to fantasy land where the PS3 is king. Make sure you end your fairy tale with "Happily Ever after" then snort you another line.

[imaballa]

Sifferriffic comeback JAson! You sure know how to tell them with them hard hitting facts! Now lets go find your sister!

[nOraK]

IMHO, this only confirms piracy!

Remind that PS3 is the only next-gen console that hasn't yet been hacked!

These number reflect exactly this situation and I wonder when it'll be hacked if software revenues will still grow... for sure, we'll see a boost on hardware sales!

Cheers...
-nOarK-

[kazan]

its as simple as that ..

1- many ppl for some reason (not complaining or anything) buy the 360 for a second or maybe a 3rd time after the previous got RROD.

2-(which i think more important)many Xboxes are being moded, places like China, many Asia countries, middle east, Africa, and south America where its really hard to control this issue, and ppl will only i mean ONLY buy pirated copies.

[nOraK]

Modding is pretty common in EU as well...!
Further, I don't think who modded his console will buy a pirated game... why do that when you can just download it from Torrents!
I've read somewhere that even counterfeiters are changing their "business model" beacuse of it.
What to add? Welcome in the era of Internet Piracy!

[kazan]

Yah Europe to .. some may argue that the PS2 had the same situation as the36, but in fact the PS2 dominated North America , UK, and Japan (were pirated stuff is hard to get) before the Xbox came out. Furthermore as you mentioned above its far more easy to get a pirated game via torrents.

[rcortesb]

I think it's because the piracy of xbox games, in my country for example I don't know anybody with original xbox games. And of course also because they're counting damages consoles...

[Jeremy Gerard]

Q2 07/08 means 2nd quarter 07 versus 2nd quarter 08 percentage of GROWTH.

Geez, now everyone STFU you sound like morons. Your not even reading the numbers right, bubbles for Bravo, at least you get it.

Damn outta bubbles, to dirkdaddy below. Dude 360 sells more games that is common knowledge, the way you are reading the chart make no sense in the real world, they are measuring 100% of the growth from Q2 07 to Q2 08. So yes out of 100% PS3 sales/revenue increased say 20%, and 360s 14%. Kinda like the hardware sales, PS3 has increased at a higher rate but total sales overall still put PS3 in 3rd place.

@Kythepain or whatever, I have no PS3 dude, is that not obvious? LOL sorry, can't play with ya. Yes I look forward to what is coming to PS3, but that is only because I want to see if my predictions of failure are accurate.

[dirkdady]

dude your the moron.
Look at the bottom of the chart it says 100%, if that chart measures growth why would all the platform percentages add up to 100%???

Also at the top of the chart it says CLEARY:
"Break Down of sales by Platforms"

I don't know how much clear you can get than that.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Where's that PSN invite, mate?

[Nicolator]

i guess the fire is near by

[Sarah Palin]

People keep submitting these articles with figures.
When the NPDs(something CREDIBLE) hit every month, the 360 comes out ahead.
I dont know, just seems like a reoccuring pattern.
Anyway, heres something WORTH reading: http://gizmodo.com/5069422/...

[Pennywise]

LoL yeah - company's sales reports are arbitrary numbers that are made up. NPD has it on lock, these companies have no idea what they sell /s

[shawnsl65]

i'd take the word of the DEVELOPERS companies that actually made the game vs console developers for exageration reports to npd.

for example

"Capcom : yo i sent out 52 copies for this %%%console, but they're reporting they're selling 52000 copies, how the FFFFFk did this happen?"

"NPD : yea yea yea 52000 copies sold on %%%console, gotcha"

[Sarah Palin]

youd know that companies are under NO obligation to report ACCURATE sales reports to the GENERAL public. Only to share holders and the IRS. Ask your Economics Teacher.

[pain777pas]

Hardware will prevent informed people from purchasing a 360. PS3 is reliable for the most part I've had many long sessions without one problem of the system reading disks, RROD and whatever....... I hope that people realise that they are pouring their money into something that generally is guaranteed to fail at some point, worse is it's sooner rather than later.

[thematrix1298]

Not surprised with 360 wide open for piracy...lol M$ should've done their homework. NOW M$ FAIL!

[shawnsl65]

well yeah very true. most people buy the xbox with the "why pay when you can download free!"

if the piracy continues at a high rate while sales doesn't go up. the developers are going to be a bit wary.

[GWAVE]

I am amazed that EA and Namco Bandai are making more money on the PS3. Nam-dai has a bunch of exclusive JRPGs for the 360 and practically nothing for the PS3. And as far as EA games go, their sports games have always done better on the 360 (or so I thought).

One thing I noticed people saying in the comments is "OMG! DIS ARTICLE BE A LIE! MS'S ATTACH RATE BE MUCH HIGHER!" Please, pull your head out of you-know-where and read the article. This article is about PROFIT. Even with a smaller installed base, the PS3 is more profitable for those third parties than Microsoft. Hmmm.

[Gorillaunit]

EVERY EVERY multiplatform that debuts, the 360 outsells the PS3 by almost 3x as much.

Star Wars: The Force Unleashed earned the top spot for the month in September with 610,000 copies sold, and the Xbox-exclusive Rock Band 2 came in third with 363,000 copies. The Wii landed the second and fourth game sales slots with Wii Fit and Mario Kart Wii. The PS3 version of The Force Unleashed came in fifth with 325,000 units sold.

And every multiplatform games, the x360 outsells the ps3 !!! Hahaha.. so who the hell wrote this piece of shieet article ?? lol !!!

Saints row 2 for example. 237k on the 360, 84k on the PS3.

Compare the sales numbers of 360 and PS3 with huge games like GTAIV, CoD4, Madden games, The force unleashed, etc.

[Mr_Potato_]

you guys are funny, those are facts, numbers from the companies themselves, not bullcrap from vgfarts.

Yeah, you don't believe in facts. :)

[shawnsl65]

"Capcom : yo i sent out 52 copies for this %%%console, but they're reporting they're selling 52000 copies, how the FFFFFk did this happen?"

"NPD : yea yea yea 52000 copies sold on %%%console, gotcha"

"magz : hey NPD wassup.. so u got the #'s for me?"

"NPD : yeah man 52000 "

"magz : cool cool "

*types %%% sells 520000 this month*
"magz : hmm.. accidentally added an extra zero.. oh wells"

*submit article*

[tk]

The sales numbers seems to indicate that the XB360 sells more (VGChartz, NPD etc), but PS3 brings in more revenue.

Could it be that lots of games shipped, yet not sold on XB360? Or much bigger cut on MS part than the rest? The number of games on the charts does not seem to support this - but hey - this is the publishers financial report - so there must be something that we don't know.

[comm13]

I will say it again: Put brain in gear before engaging mouth.

VG is made up numbers, NDP is only for America.

America=/= world.

[cmrbe]

This is really interesting.

NDP anyways dosn't account for all sales anyway. The big difference could be Europe and Japan. Perhaps PS3 is really kicking the x360's ass in Sw sales in Europe and Japan much more than we think.

[XBox RRoDed again]

Why can't I win?!?!?

and WHY IS IT SOOOO HOT ????

(RRoD)

[na2ru1]

ur eyes are red again?

[shawnsl65]

<====points

he's no where as hot as mine

[Wardog1368]

I'm not believing this unless they mean copies sold per console out there. I've looked and with games like BF:BC, and Brother's in arms, and COD4. The 360 has outsold the ps3 version.

But Other than that, this is good news for Sony. :)

[DJ]

When you see something like Call of Duty 4 sell twice as good on the 360 as it does on the PS3, you rightfully assume that this means most (if not all) 360 titles are outselling the PS3 versions 2:1.

And when looking at the top ten sales charts, they're typicall dominated by 360 titles. But unfortunately, Top Ten in no way signifies which system sold more software. While Gears of War may sell 8 million copies and stay number 1 on the top ten chart, there may be 20 different PS3 titles that sell 500K units each. They'll never make it on the top ten charts, but total will have accounted for more revenue than that one game.

Then there's the issue of three different major territories, and the fact that we only see NPD (north america) figures each month.

[air1]

so if the ps3 sells more games, then how is it that i ALWAYS see the 360 games at the top of the npd charts every month since day 1?!

didnt npd put the news out that the 360 has a huge lead in game sales?

[NickIni]

Move your eyes up a bit to comment #5.1 on this page, and then check out #1.12 on page 1. Those answer your questions, or does the gaze of a fanboy censor out these comments?

[phoenixtilt]

PS3 FANBOI SITE..

http://gamer.blorge.com/

JUST READ ALL THE OTHER POST

[Darkseider]

This article isn't biased, it is not false or fake. These are the actual quarterly profits being reported by EA and Ubi to their shareholders. These numbers are as accurate as humanly possible because these reports are also filed with the FTC. So now the folks that still believe this is fake or whatever can feel free to call the FTC and tell them that these numbers are innacurate because the "XBox 360 r0x0rz" and I am sure they will be more than happy to look into it for you.

[Figboy]

all my games for the PS3.

i prefer the controller to the 360 controller.

the only games i buy for my 360 are the exclusives, and lately, there haven't been many i've wanted; i picked up Fable 2 about 2 weeks ago, Gears of War has never interested me; i didn't enjoy the first, and i DID play it for a few hours, after Halo 1 i lost interest in the series, and the JRPGs are either VERY familiar feeling to this old PS2 gamer, or are coming to the PS3 eventually. Alan Wake looks really cool, so i'm looking forward to that one though.

MS needs more 1st and 2nd party exclusives. 3rd party multi-plats are good and all, but when the other guy has nearly 30 1st and 2nd party developers working on EXCLUSIVE titles on TOP of the 3rd party multi-plats, it's only common sense that an informed consumer would choose the guy that's offering more value for your dollar.

so WHAT if FFXIII, Tekken 6, Devil May Cry, and GTAIV go multi-plat? i can STILL play them on my PS3, and i ALSO get Team Ico's games, White Knight Chronicles, Killzone 2, Resistance 2, Little Big Planet, Uncharted and Ratchet sequels, inFamous, Sly Cooper and Jak PS3 eventually, and so many other 1st and 2nd party EXCLUSIVES i can't even list them all.

considering that the PS3 is doing well WORLDWIDE, and not just in one region, it doesn't surprise me that, overall, it may finally begin selling more software than the 360.

ultimately, that doesn't matter to me, as long as it keeps getting quality games from talented developers that just want to make good games, regardless of the platform.

[Oner]

Exactly. What I don't understand is how people here consistently claim the 360 has more exclusives?

[Firstkn1ghT]

Who wrote this article? Nasim? LMAO. Silly blog.

[Lord Vader]

I don't really normally care for 'sales' articles, but this has got to be some serious fanboy BS. Multiplats have always sold higher on 360 = ALWAYS. I do not understand where they have produced these statistics... 360 has ALWAYS had a much, much higher attatch rate than PS3... so I don't get it.

Oh I get it now...

Maybe the statistics are correct but only with the select companies they chose, lol, let's see the statistics on Epic, Bioware, Bethseda, & Bungie please = LMAO

[comm13]

Lord you are a dumbass.

The companies mentioned make multiplat games, the ones you mentioned..... well I am sure even your tiny brain is able to figure it out.

[memots]

"Multiplats have always sold higher on 360 = ALWAYS."

Were do you get that ? how do you know this ??
Are you an industry insider or something?

I don't think so .. or else you wouldn't be wasting your time posting here.

[retro]

Q1/2009 from EA is Apr, May, Jun 2008, ended Jun 30th, 2008.

So it's old numbers at least as far the article - it's based on old numbers.

Although it's very interesting to see Sony makes more revenue for EA than Microsoft.

Maybe it's because PS3 are usually 5 to 10 bucks more expensive (at least here in Europe where I live that's the norm) than Xbox 360 versions?

[air1]

kid this story is horse sh!t.. you'll find out soon enough. the 360 out sell the ps3 games every month since for ever now.

this wasnt posted by ea bandai etc. just some sony fanatic analysis smoking some good sh!t

[Darkseider]

hurts don't it? These are the quarterly reports like it or not. The PS3 snowball has now started it's trip downhill only to go faster and get bigger until it plows through the XBox 360.

[cmrbe]

is the fear that x360 owners have about the system reliability of the x360 as well as the fact that the 3 year warrenty if i am not mistaken is about to finish.

[na2ru1]

No way of spinning this one. In UK, PS3 and 360 games are equally priced as each other.

Difference is, ones a DVD thats still liable to scratch with a cloth,
the other is Bluray thats super guarded, giving it that scratch resistance and an extra reflective shine. (i notice way too much stuff)

[ApocalypseShadow]

to be wrong so many times and to be faced with the lies that microsoft has spewed over the last 2 years would be upsetting.they need to lash out at someone.so ps3 fans and sony get the brunt of it.

lets look at the wrongs......

1)1080p support for next gen tvs-sony was right.microsoft upgraded.
2)hdmi for next get tvs-sony was right.microsoft redesigned and split the base.
3)larger hard drives and making them standard-sony was right.not just for games but for digital downloads.microsoft backed off of 20gigs being enough.
4)360 being more powerful than ps3-killzone,uncharted and gt5 disagree
5)360 having more memory than ps3-you can't make better looking games on ps3 with less memory than 360.that's impossible.
6)iptv outdoing playtv-sony released theirs.microsoft hasn't.
live anywhere(actually "nowhere.")but remote play is possible from "anywhere."
7)creating avatars that visually represent a gaming community.
8)hd-dvd winning over bluray because it was cheaper.yup,we know how that turned out.
9)digital downloads.microsoft blew hot air.sony offers gt5:p,siren,warhawk,wipeout,so com,etc.,as full downloads or retail copies.

i could keep going but we'll jump to their having to deal with RROD and being lied to about that from microsoft blaming the consumer.

1)360 fans saying sony did it too with ps2.but all they're really saying is that microsoft didn't LEARN from the previous gen and released shoddy hardware.
2)being told that microsoft has 20 million sold when it's "shipped."and no one knows the actual "working amount" of 360s.and microsoft isn't telling.first having to pay for a fix,now having to "WAIT" for a fix.
3)microsoft saying they have 14 million xbl subscribers.but they never say how many silver members or gamers still using the original xbox.
4)being told "first to 10 million wins."then not even a few months later,they get outsold by nintendo.
5)microsoft talks about game attachment rates but not about console sale increases.how long have they been at 20 million again?
6)they talk about profit for a couple of quarters,but haven't said they made up the 7 billion in losses since the first xbox.
7)talked about wii being casual and should be a second buy to 360.now,microsoft needs casuals to survive.
8)talks about the high demand of 360.but no company drops their prices when there is "HIGH DEMAND."nintendo didn't drop theirs.and sony didn't drop theirs.and 360 still doesn't sell like wii.

and now 360 fans have to hear that ps3 is making more money for third party devs.not little companies......BIG COMPANIES MAKING MONEY.they have almost have had enough of the beatings they have had to endure.it upset them so bad,they went after little big planet's metacritic score.i mean,how low can they go?

i no longer feel for these haters.and it's quite boring now to laugh at them.they deserve no pity as sony 's sales increase year on year and gains on their beloved system of choice.

the FUD has been "FUDDED."

apocalypse................... .......

[imaballa]

Hey thats an awesome list, never ceases to amaze me how Xbots can be such tools after getting reamed up and down constantly.

Like that hot playboy model said, comparing a PS3 to an Xbox 360 is like comparing a Lamborghini to a Pinto.

When I look at my Xbox 360 it just reminds me of last Christmas when it went RRoD on me and M$ took their dandy time and sent me a replacement a month later.
After that I don't even buy multiplatform games for it, I don't want to risk getting RRoD again, I'll still buy exclusive games for it like Fable II and Gears 2 but thats about it.

I don't even like turning it on and leaving it on for hours like my PS3, the Xbox 360 gets all loud like a Jets taking off.

My 360's once white case is turning yellowish and its embarrassing for guests to even look at it. The thing really looks like a Pinto version of a video game console.

[gano]

Bubbles and a full agree.
If you support garbage companies, you deserve to fall with them.
Handle your business sony.

[jcgamer]

Always has...ALWAYS WILL...

[cmrbe]

not looking good for MS.

The x360 is almost 3 years old but its still 5 million behind the xbox userbase which they accumulated over 4 years.

x360 sales have steadily decline since it was lanuched with a decrease in price.

Their direct competitor the PS3 is still without most of its main games and still priced more than the Launch PS2 price but is currently outselling and gaining on the x360.

The x360 had a 1 year headstart,cheaper price point, varied game collection, more support from 3rd parties and now cheapest console but still is struggling with the PS3.

Now these news are starting to come out. Mind you this is only going to get worse for MS.

We knew from the start anyways that this would happen. Lets face it. The PS3 was built to last with Sony's plan to support it for ten years like they will with the PS2. As i said before. Devs want to sell as many games on a console as long as they can.

Publisher like EA fro example released Madden 09 on the PS2 which is something they can't do on the xbox. EA like other publishers know they will benefit long term on the PS.

[ReBurn]

The only EA game I've bought recently is Burnout Paradise for PS3. Go free online play! Mirror's Edge will likely be my next EA game.

[xg-ei8ht]

Rawd,lol +1bubble.

The 360 is in a state of epic fail.

MS lying about their numbers, i'm not surprised at all.

I'm mostly surprised to learn that the prophet muhammaed was infact a white man.

[air1]

360 a fail? last i checked "world wide" the ps3 is in 3rd.

i guess the ps3 is an epic fail to the 3rd power..

[MRMagoo123]

I cant believe anyone is trying to say these articles are false as anyone can see ps3 is making more money for alot of companies than the 360.The problem is all the 360 fans could only see as far as NA numbers which in the grand scheme of things doesnt matter america isnt as important as ppl think it is as is evident in all the companies sales numbers.So all in all just get over it ps3 is here to stay and will be doing better than anything ms can chuck at it.It also goes to explain why more devs are making games lead on ps3 it all figures in.

[Rhoic]

No.. America is just the leading consumer country in the WORLD and makes up 90% of all sales. Notice how you don't see sales figures for places like freaking Africa? It's because they are such a small fraction it doesn't even matter.

They have Japan figures, and American figures..

Is Microsoft lying about:

How on the NPD numbers, Madden 360 sold 1 million while Madden PS3 sold 500-600 thousand?

How Microsoft constantly says they have the highest rated games and how their games sell on a 2:1 basis compared to the PS3?

How GTA IV sold 3:1 on the 360 compared to the PS3?

How Halo 3 sold 8.1-4 million copies as to date?

How CoD 4 sold 2:1 on the 360 compared to the PS3 and has sold over 5 million copies on the 360 compared to about 3 million on the PS3?

Where is SONY touting their software sales figures? They DON'T. And the reason? It is because Ubisoft and EA don't have the right to say that all multi-platform games sell better on the PS3 than the 360. Maybe just THEIR games do.. but their comments don't make up the entire gaming industry. And I have failed to see a statistical proof of numbers.. all I keep seeing is something about hardware, which has nothing to do with this article.

Halo 3 sales > MGS4 Sales

Fable 2 sales > LBP sales (I'm sure about this, as I've never seen LIVE servers so cluttered from a game since CoD 4 and Halo 3)

Madden 360 sales > Madden PS3 sales

BioShock 360 sales > BioShock PS3 sales

and the list goes on.. there is absolutely no proof that the PS3 sells more software than the 360. Again, maybe it is just for Ubisoft and EA and whatnot, but not the entire gaming industry lolz.

[thewhoopimen]

Typical obnoxious ignorant American attitude and lack of education.... no wonder so many countries in the world hate us (it's not even about jealousy). American may be the largest game market Rhoic... but it is only close to half in terms of world market share in the game market. Europe/Others i believe at this point has come close to the US in game market share. Japan makes up 19-20% of the world market. Though I'm reluctant to use VGchartz as a reference (due to their relative inaccuracy) you can still get a good picture of what is.

90% is not what America ownss, so get off the high horse. Out of 194.08 million consoles sold, the US holds 38.3% of the total console purchased.

And btw, these growth figures aren't touted by Sony, they are touted by EA, Ubisoft, and other major publishers.

[karlostomy]

The Sony fanbase is spinning as usual.

Data gets misreported and misrepresented.

For proof just check the actual ubisoft data.
It is heavily biased to europe and, in actual fact, it is 20% ps3 20% 360.

Selectively ignoring reality won't help the sdf.

I kinda know that they already know, but i also know that they'll ignore anything reality dishes up to make themselves feel better.

Sad.

Let's wait until the next round of attach rate numbers.

[PirateThom]

1. Europe is a bigger region money wise than the US for gaming, a couple of publishers have said this
2. Even if it is 20%/20% the 360 still has a bigger install base
3. It's not even biased towards Europe, it shows (by region) where Ubisoft's income came from, it just happedn the biggest chunk was Sonyland... I mean, Europe.

Edit: And here's the problem with attach rates. It's a bull marketing thing that PR people use to disguise a big problem. If it's steadily rising this early in the game, it means it's the same people buying games over and over again while console sales are falling. If an attach rate is steady like the Wii and PS3, it means they're shifting hardware and software.

[karlostomy]

1. So despite sony (mistakenly) announcing that it had ousold the 360 in europe about 6 mnths ago, you NOW ACKNOWLEDGE that the 360 is still ahead in europe in terms of total install base?

2. Sooooo. if europe is where Ubi sells the most, then how is the interpretation not slanted toward europe's consumers?

sheesh dude. you can't have it both ways.

you can't be saying europe is sonyland when the 360 is still ahead and gaining in ubisoft software sales for the most recent quarter.
It just don't add up.

Think about it. Or at least try to.

Take off the fanboy goggles.
Indulge in some objectivity.
Life will make more sense if you see 'what is' and not 'what you'd like'

[imaballa]

Look at the chart again, Ubisofts report is half yearly report, meaning 6 months, but it breaks it down to two 3 month periods..

Where it says 20% for PS3 and Xbox 360 is only the first three months then in the second column the PS3 has more percentage than the Xbox 360, and in the last column it shows the total for all 6 months:
PS3 20%
Xbox 360 14%

I think your the only one trying to spin and misread the charts, lol!

[karlostomy]

are you on drugs?

Look again. Most recently the ps3 and 360 are 20%. The numbers you refer to resort to prior data to the ones i am talking about.

Hey, dude. I can handle SOME sdf spin.

But you spin, then get corrected, then spin the correction!

unbelievable!

[ultimolu]

karl...no.
Just no.

[karlostomy]

sometimes, NO.... means YES!

Don't it hunnybun?

[Narutone66]

which is so easily pirated. It is quite obvious on which console the games will sell more. In countries like China, Philippines, Taiwan, etc. the shops where the game consoles are sold, the pirated copies of xbox 360 are also sold at a fraction of the retail copy.

[KrimsonKody]

(sighs)
:)'s
(swivels wine while shopping @ PSstore with "trophy" funds...)

[flOw]

Piracy on 360, maybe.

[house]

i have to say if this is true sony just might buy level 5

[josh3rdegree]

i think thats in the works if white knight sells well they might buy them

[jetlian]

clearly states these are estimates in the disclaimer lol

[Kyur4ThePain]

You don't think that's maybe for the 2009 numbers?
Or do you think big businesses estimate their past performances?

[SixAmpFuze]

I find it odd that ea and ubi say the ps3 makes them more money but yet every wekk the 360 outsells the ps3 software by 500k or more. I think its because alot of the 360 software gets price cuts .is it possible that some xbox games are cheaper than ps3 games.Im not talking about first month games but after some time xbox game have been getting cheaper at certain stores like kmart, walmart,target

[PirateThom]

You're ignoring the fact the 360 only outsells PS3 software in the US, while in Europe and Japan, PS3 software outsells the 360 software.

[house]

last time i checked the ps3 outsold the 360 for more than half the year bummer

[thewhoopimen]

The world is bigger than the US. Get off the high horse, patriotic songs, or whatever some of you fanboys are on. Yes the US is the largest consumer market, but no it does not envelop the world.

World > US. Wake up. Please.

Ps3 is outselling the 360 worldwide. Do some fractional calculations on http://www.vgchartz.com if you can't figure out how big the US console share is and move out of your delusional rants. US marketshare is only 38.3% of the total share of consoles sold if you include handheld consoles.

[Mr_Potato_]

but but but... vgchartz and xbox roxxorz ?

I can't believe they lied to me. (tears)

[tatsujin]

Click agree if you do. Click disagree if you don't.

PS3 = Ownage + Pwnage gaming and media entertainment center.

[cyclindk]

Someone mentioned earlier about piracy and I gotta admit that it seems like that would put a pretty significant dent in game sales; there's this dude in my class that plays pirated copies of every single game that comes out, or so he says: Fallout 3, Gears 2, everything.

[Mr Marbles]

GTA4 360 6 million, PS3 4.6 million

COD4 360 6.5 million, PS3 3.6 million

Assasins Creed 360 3.9 million, PS3 2.9 million

Guitar Hero 3 360 3.5 million, PS3 1.6 million

Madden 08 360 2.3 million, PS3 880,000

The reports measure Growth morons, you would have to be brain dead not to see that.

[Mr_Potato_]

Your numbers are from vgchartz, a MS fanboy site that pulls numbers from their a$$.

The numbers given in this article are from the companies themselves.

I know, the truth hurts.

[Mr Marbles]

game sales numbers are easy to find, they are not just on VGchartz, the numbers are factual, and the numbers you are so excited about measure Quarter2 to quarter2 total GROWTH, learn to read a earnings reports you little brat.

[Mr_Potato_]

no, they don't. YOU can't read, there are total sales percentages too. Go back to school, now.

[Hiruu]

EA...the lead title for the period covered was a soccer game...last time I checked, PS3 has the same base in Europe as the 360, so that might have something to do with it.
Ubisoft...the period covered included a PS3 exclusive in Haze.
Konami...WTF...is there even a reason as to why...is he stupid?
Namco...can't really speak to this as I've not looked into it.

So, overall, this fool is coming to conslusions based on scattershot data, WITH NO analysis of the title generating the blip. Check back with me when EA reports THIS qtr, and Ubisoft next. That's like saying Bioware's sales during Mass Effect sale where skewed to 360, greater than the split...BRILLIANT...ly stupid!

[Mr_Potato_]

I know the truth hurts, but will you find an excuse for all the other editors too ?

Editor x : ok, but my 360 was ill so it doesn't count.

Editor y : yeah, but I was at the swimming pool, so it's not fair.

Those are total worldwide sales, there's nothing you can spin, if 360 sold more, it would show, but it doesn't.

[Isaac]

Seriously, Xbox fanboys are the stupidest folks I've ever seen. Check out their shoddy line of reasoning:

"EVERYONE KNOWS THAT 360 SELLS MORE LOLOLO!!!!!!!!!!!"

Their sources are VG Chartz, and the distant past of course.

Pog says "LOL BULLSH!T BULLSHI!T LOL". The amount of "Lols" in his posts give me a headache, he's evidently so insecure it's not funny anymore, it's just sad, truly pathetic. Especially how he has to spin that this is wrong when it's financial statements from corporations that can't lie to their stockholders.

"LOL TIS ARE GROWTH RATES LOL!!!!!!!!!!"

Yeah, growth rates for "Breakdown of SALES by business". Especially when they amount to 100%. Idiots.

"NO NO BUT ITS TOTAL 100% of GROWTH RATE"

Yeah, whatever that means you retards. Seriously, go back to third grade and learn math again and the meaning of "total sales" versus "growth ratio".

I bet these morons, including the dumbass with the Gore avatar, never thought of the possibility of growth ratio amounting up to more than 100% per platform, and completely opted to (or didn't even realize that they) ignore that the percentage of sales amounts to 100% in every single column, which means it's TOTAL SALES, not growth ratio. Any child could deduce that.

Grow a f***ing brain.

[Iceman100]

Oh that's why it's in last place worldwide i never knew why that was, and the ps3 is not even a real system. The psx was excellent when it came out, but now sony is just an embarrassment.

[imaballa]

How is Sony an embarrassment again? They own 21 internal studios where most of the games sell in the millions.
Microsoft only has 3 active studios, they just closed down two, and lost one.
They barely make first party titles, doesn't have blu-ray, breaks down more than a Pinto.
Lied to consumers about the failure rate (Straight to your face sucker!!) and alll you say is "yes please more, ream me more and more!"

[imaballa]

How can ubisoft's numbers be growth rate when it sales total sales per platform as the title of the chart!
Also how can growth rates of all the platform equal 100% at the bottom.

Chart is showing you how much percentage of revenue each platform brings to their total revenue (100%).

If Xbots cant understand this simple principle they need to go back and play with the Sexbox more.

[Kyur4ThePain]

The following page shows the growth rate broken down by platform. Here you can see the heading..."Breakdown of sales by pla...wait. What? This is supposed....to be....growth. Why does it say sales? Am I...on...the right page? Oh god.. FRANCOOOOOIS!!!"

[insomnium]

You stated:

"I can see at anytime either on my Blackberry or my comp what they are playing and i can text them and from my phone or comp and they will get it right away on their screens while they are playing - also i can invite them into my game when they are playing a different game and i can private chat them while in completely different games and i can check their friends list to see who they are playing with to see if they are in a clan match or not and thats just the tip of the iceberg"

Live wins with ingame chat and "i can check their friends list" if you consider the latter in particular a win. Ingame chat would be great if it were on psn too so thats a real difference.

All your other "Blackberry or my comp" doesn't really matter now does it? Those things have nothing to do with the xbox360. Even I can send messages to my friends using remote play. You forgot about that didn't you?

"I can also see the last 100 people i played against incase i wanna sent a friend request"

This is possible on psn too so why do you mention it? I'm not sure about the number 100 but there are plenty.
I checked and the number on psn is about 52. another "win"!

"i can also see their profiles and all the people that is on their game list"

Why do you count these kinds of things as advantages? Why would anyone, anywhere, ever want to know these things about total strangers? I wouldn't even want for everyone to be able to see things about me. Enough is enough. I pull the curtains down in my bedroom for the same reason. What's private is private. I'm sure you can understand what I mean by this.
I just checked and I can compare trophies with strangers atleast if they are online. This isn't nearly as bad as profiles and people on gamelists.

"i can also send the same text or voice msg to everyone on my friends list and ppl that i played against all in 1 shot"

I have to send messages to strangers individually but friends in one shot. No voice msg.

"I can choose to ignor players or prefer them so that future games i an decided if i will play against them again or not."

I'm not sure how do you mean that and I'm not sure how it works WHILE PLAYING if I ignore someone. I haven't had the need to do it yet. It's possible on psn too though.

"When i log on i let my friends know what game i am in and see if they want to join in with private chat - if they do then i send them an invite - if they don't then i don't"

You really bother all your online friends every time you log online? You can't be more than 15 years old according to that.

There are a couple of downsides to live however.

1. If live is down you cant play anything online vs. If psn is down we can still play the first party games which have their own servers.

2. The biggest games (the ones that have their own servers) have zero lag. This is impossible to achieve without own servers. There is no host advantage there. Games on xbox360 doesn't have it's own servers.

3. Think about the difficulties if you have 3 kids (ages 12-17 or something)since they all want to play online with their own gamertags ofcourse. That means it's 150 bucks year while all the time it still is free on psn no matter how many users.

I would like to urge you to think about this a little less subjectively as it seems you are doing.

I didn't se anyone replying to you properly (I don't know if that means that you are a blind fanboy or something) so I wrote this. I enjoy talking about these consoles thruthfully and I don't think you did just that since you mentioned lots of things that are possible on psn too and you even mentioned "take a look at my bio then and see what my PSN ID tag is" and then you went on and called other people a "typical blind sony fanboy".

I find it ironic to first hear that it's all about the games when someone mentiones the other qualities the PS3 has and if someone at PS3 camp points out the annual cost of live then suddenly it's all about the features. Isn't that a little twisted? I would really like to hear what's your take on that subject. Anyone?

The advantages you listed are there. Atleast some of them. Do they really make it worth the fee it's coming with? Afterall cross game chats etc for all of your 3 kids costs 150 bucks a year doesn't it? Surely you aren't stupid enough to defend that by saying "I'm the only child/player in my family"

Ontopic:

Wow!
I guess people really do play games with their PS3s. Didn't I hear that Blu-Ray is growing faster that DVD did too? Looks like a winner hand for Sony and thier PS3. I have about 20 games (soon 3-4 more) and about 20 BD-movies too. What!?? Is i possible to enjoy BOTH of these aspects?

[Tiberium]

did you hear that America is in a recession and not everybody can afford a $400 toy. I guess not. and the sales of the 360 hardware are picking up. You guys need to remember the exclusive offerings are the things that drive a consloe's sales. the ps3 just doesn't have system sellers like halo 3 or gears.

[insomnium]

"nice monologue
did you hear that America is in a recession and not everybody can afford a $400 toy. I guess not. and the sales of the 360 hardware are picking up. You guys need to remember the exclusive offerings are the things that drive a consloe's sales. the ps3 just doesn't have system sellers like halo 3 or gears."

I somehow fail to see your point on American recession when I look at the numbers PS3 has sold throughout the year and even last month.

Do you really consider PS3 a toy? Wow what a downplay. I consider PS3 a media centrepiece and I would really like to hear you proof otherwise. All my photos, videos, games and music in one place. Who here doesn't know what a digital camera is? If I make a field trip with my family I can watch all the movies and photos we've taken on our HDTV. It really doesn't get any better than that trust me. No delay. Just pop in and enjoy. I don't think you really consider PS3 a toy if you think about it seriously for a while. You're in denial if you do.

The sales of Xbox360 are "picking up" (in USA) because of the price cut. Sales are better in Japan also because they just got 2 RPGs out for it. Dont do this to yourself. You might get your heart broken when the spike goes over and everything returns back to normal. It atleast almost already happened in Japan.

"remember the exclusive offerings are the things that drive a consloe's sales"

I think there are 2 factors contributing to these kinds of software figures:

1. Piracy while still only a minor detail, people pick up quickly(when it's cheap). Xbox360 still has it's games on goood'ol DVDs.

2. Exclusives just like you said. I'm not sure but I think atleast 95% of games available to xbox360 are also available for PC. Why should people buy games for xbox360 when they canget the same games even better on PC and guess what? They don't even have to pay for them since unlike the case with xbox360 EVERYONE is aware of the ease of pirating on PCs.

[pandabear]

I have both consoles with PS3 being my preffered choice but I think the difference in sales is due to the Piracy of 360 games.

We have already seen Fallout, Gears & Fable on Bit Torrent sites before they even hit the street, and I think this is the difference.

Unless Microsoft can get the Piracy measures in place to stop this then 3rd parties will start moving away (like they have with the PC) cos if the pirates are making money - they are not!!!

[FAQS]

I LOLed so much whith the stupid dumbass excuses xbots made up to contradict this article...AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH AHAHAH! this is fun!

[THUNDERMARE]

This is QoQ from EA http://sec.gov/Archives/edg...

Publishing segment profit differs from consolidated operating loss primarily due to the exclusion of (1) substantially all of our research and development expense, as well as certain corporate functional costs that are not allocated to the publishing organizations, and (2) the deferral of certain net revenue related to packaged goods and digital content.
Information about our total net revenue by platform for the three months ended June 30, 2008 and 2007 is presented below (in millions):

Three Months Ended
June 30,
....................2008----- -2007
Consoles
PLAYSTATION 3 $ 139-----$ 13
Xbox 360 81-----$ 47
PlayStation 2 79-----$ 61
Wii 57-----$ 29
Xbox — 3
Nintendo GameCube — 1

Total Consoles 356 154

This one is Activision Blizzard
http://sec.gov/Archives/edg...

The following table details our publishing net revenues by platform and as a percentage of total publishing net revenues for the three months ended June 30, 2008 and 2007 (amounts in thousands):

Console 2008-------------2007
Sony PlayStation 3 87,682-----------26,436
Sony PlayStation 2 109,728----------146,867
Microsoft Xbox 360 127,773----------150,605
Nintendo Wii 124,792----------32,699

[Dogswithguns]

I loved my x360 but the 360 didnt love me. my PS3 didnt treat me that way.... so yeah, that makes PS3 games sold more.

[Skywalker333]

only 4 companies on the listing.
2 of them released a hyped exclusive on the ps3 and EA has a different timeline for 360 and ps3 sales.

in reality, this "news" is totally unreliable...

dont jump from happiness or hate. this really isnt nothing important.

[robotnik]

This is the real deal bots... your world of lies and misinformation is coming to an end, and that end is nigh.

There's no real reason for the flopbox to exists anymore, it's doomed, piracy is growing steady and eating alive that crappy system.

Live in denial lemmings, pathetic MicroSlaves maggots.

[LFC1EE]

I think the the ps3 is dying a slow and painful death, this is a stunt

to try to asure us ps3 owners that everything is ok, no way is the ps3

outselling the xb360 in software sales no way hombre it's a STUNT and

it's going to back fire.

[FFXI101]

It'd be M$, look their recent ad and statements(from ppl who work at m$)

[killnotic]

It could be that a lot of gamers think like I do when it comes to buying multiplatform games:

If a game is multiplatform I will buy it for my PS3, since I know if my 360 ever breaks down for whatever reason, I won't have to worry about not being able to play those games.

Maybe it all comes down to the PS3 being a less risky system to buy games for.

[Mr Marbles]

Did anyone read the article, it says right in it that they are talking about growth, 175 million was the total or the 100% you idiots keep refering to, they then break down the percentages of each platforms contribution to the total. How can so many of you be this stupid, this is scary, how are you kids going to run this country in the future, you know nothing about business! WOW kinda depressing.

[pansenbaer]

You are the one that needs to do some reading. Where are these numbers? I looked at the report and cannot find this 175 million you are speaking of. Are you even reading the financial statements put out by these companies?

UBISOFT
Breakdown of Sales by platform
PS3-20%
360-14%

If you add the rest of the systems % you get 100% which means sales. Ps3 accounted for 20% of game sales, 360 14% etc.

KONAMI
Unit Sales Platform Mix
April to June 2008
PS3-57.3%
360-2.6%

Same thing. The whole pie chart equals 100%, so a percentage of sales to each platform.

Electronic Arts
Platform Net Revenue Mix (as a % of Net Revenue)
Q1 FY2009
PS3-17%
360-10%

Once again, a percentage of revenue, not a growth percentage.

So you, my friend, are mistaken. As it says, PS3 is the bread winner for these companies. Weather or not the PS3 is selling more games is really still unknown. But it is bringing home more bacon for these companies.

[Mr Marbles]

dude what did you just say? Dude listen seriously, I have to read these reports all the time, you don't know wtf you are talking about, they are talking about growth, you just dont know how to read the report ok. Read from the beginning of the report, not just the part you want to believe. Now i'm done with it, believe what you want I just thought i would clear it up for you silly fanboys, but you want to believe what you want to believe so go ahead. Doesn't change reality though, if PS3 was doing what you say we would all know this, there would have been press releases, Sony would be bragging and MS would be spinning, now get real kid, youre making a jackass out of yourself.

EDIT: Im outta bubbles, dude READ the report, forget the chart, you are reading it wrong, if you READ the report it is all about GROWTH, says it at the top, geeez.

[imaballa]

people like you will run the country into the ground with your flawed logic.
If Ubisofts report talks about growth then compared to same time last year the PS3 grew by about 950%, since it didn't sell squat last year.

The chart says Breakdown of sales by platform, nothing about growth.

If you understand English that means that the chart shows how much (breakdown) each platform (PS3, Xbox 360, Wii) sold for UbiSoft.

[pansenbaer]

Can you please show EXACTLY where it says anything about growth?? You keep saying it says 'RIGHT THERE' and you apparently are too dumb to figure out where that might be. Or maybe say which report you are looking at. This picture is what I am talking about.

http://tinypic.com/view.php...

Regardless of any part that talks about growth, this is talking about net revenue as a whole and which console brought in which percentage of revenue.

[artman]

piracy games money doesnt goes to the developers ofcoz,
the reason ppl bought 360 coz they can play the pirated games on it~ you have to count how many ppl bought 360 in my country... but none of them bought the original games (i cant even find any original games, except pirated one sold for US$3 each)
oh and wii games pirated too

[giovonti]

From a developers stand point. Developing for the 360 is probably more profitable since your basically developing for the 360 and PC at the same time. Allowing them to sell their game to two platforms for the cost of making it on one.

[imaballa99]

Thats not necessarily true, if its a port then they use to the same code across the board, however studios like Infinity Ward has three separate teams building the game from the ground up for each respective platform.

Companies like EA (Mirrors Edge, Battlefield, Dead Space) are using the PS3 as the lead platform and porting the game to PC and Xbox 360.
UbiSoft is doing that as well, Prince of Perssia..etc..

[CloudsEnd]

I never heard of Namco Bandi... Just Namco Bandai.

[SSCOOLCHEA]

bots only buy halo and gears . ps3 has variety

[FFXI101]

PS3 FTW!!

[LeGenDx]

cmon its the ps3, we all knew this was coming. The ps3 is the best its simple man.

[Radiodread]

it's to complicated for their pre-teen little minds. NO MORE RROD F!CKHEADS YOU GET IT? That doesn't exist anymore just like Fallout 3 on ps3. Whos going to get that version. 360 is the definitive version once again and always will be, you ps3 rats who live in their parents basements just have no clue what's going on in the world. Maybe you ought to go outside once in awhile, see daylight you f!cking losers.

[imaballa99]

Im going to get the PS3 version, I don't want to risk over taxing my Xbox 360. I only play 360 exclusives on it, I mean why risk getting the RRoD on my system and be out of a console for the holiday season when I can play it safely on my PS3.

I'm already on my 4th 360. Unless I can get a refund for my system and buy a new Elite Im got going to risk it.

[KrimsonKody]

...Devs can barely devolop games for the PS3, let alone piracy...

To be honest, my Xbox died earlier this year. And with the recent price cut, I'm 'kinda' tempted to purchase a new one. But I:

1 - Not sure if past problems will plague these incoming systems (holiday season). I read in a magazine that 700,000 of their holiday systems could not get fixed properly.

2 - Don't want to buy a brand new system that will become 'obsolete' within a years' time, and I don't really see anything exclusively exciting lined up for '09...

3 - I like some of the XBL store games (fat princess, geometry wars,etc.), but aren't most of those coming to the Wii store and PS3 store?

...Oh, and I read that EA is still looking to buy a company.
They cancelled the Take-Two purchase.
I wonder 'who' they have in mind...

[imaballa99]

Fat Princess is PS3 only, published by Sony.

[REDAVUTSTUVADER]

then that means that these are sales to the retailer not the customer. NPD are sales to the customer from the retailer. So customers buy more 360 games from the retailers. A crap load of retailers are sitting on too many ps3 title purchases (over stocked),and had to mark down the prices. Thats why 360 sell more on NPD. As far as retailers buying more ps3 software, they seem to expect a ps3 explosion, But it it's not happening at retail. And thats where it counts. Plus this story is based on a July 2008 european reuters story any way. This is october guys, the Q2 report is out on the 30th idiots.

There 's a lot of confused people in this audience.

[imaballa99]

Your actually confused, NPD only covers US numbers, Publisher financial reports cover world wide numbers.

Also retailers order stock according to demand, its not a one time order thing. I used to work in retail and stock comes in at least twice a week.
The inventory system tracks the demand of a product and automatically allocates more quantity until there are gradual signs of drop off, then the inventory system allocates less and less.

The system paints a pretty accurate picture of actual demand.
NPD is like the Neilson rating, it uses averages for the most part.

[shawnsl65]

Dell's having the 80GB for 399.
+ dell coupon
+ chase/sony card
+ SD cash back

some people received their 80gb PS3 for 260 which is a pretty good price.

[mll09]

What, so we can tell you what it's like?