PlayStation 3 to get more 3rd Party Support in 2009

A few months ago, the gaming community had its mind set that this generation is the end of 3rd party exclusives, and there will be a big push towards multiplatform. Over the past year, there were a lot of multiplatform games released from the older Oblivion, to the more contemporary Call of Duty, and to the more recent Bioshock.

There seems to be an agreement amongst gamers that the Xbox 360 always had the better version of the game because it's easier to program for, and of course sometimes that is true, but I also picked the above 3 examples to illustrate the point that sometimes the sheep mentality can be quite deceiving. The PlayStation 3 version is not "always" the worst one, and sometimes it may even be the prefer version due to the free cost of PSN or the addition of Trophy (if you prefer it over the Achievement system on your Xbox 360). Or even better graphics (Oblivion), or extra contents (Bioshock/Eternal Sonata). Of course, some of these games are late to the table and I will not argue with you that if you had both machines you would have probably already played Bioshock. But setting these matters aside there is something else worth discussing today...

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[DrWan]

from that data, i say it's quite possible to get a few exclusive as the margin widens with increasing install base.

[Genesis5]

Well with EA and Ubisoft now putting to rest the myth that people buy the PS3 for movies. Both of these developers/publishers have had very good software sales in 2008 with the PS3. It will only lead to other third parties to jump on board and try to grap some of the action.

[Tidus11]

Was a great article he didn't just make statements he supported them with data... and he also didn't cut down the other systems too bad...Hopefully this quiets out some of the rejuvenated fanboy war as of late.

[Thugbot187]

I really think as always they aren't factoring everything into the equation. 1st a lot of games have been coming out on the 360 from other publishers when UBI Soft and EA have released and gamers have to choose which they can get now and which will have to wait. On the PS3 there wasn't so many competing titles when EA and UBI Soft released. If you check back when 360 had really EA and UBI Soft releasing good tiles the sales were about what were seeing from the PS3.

2009 we are going to see a lot of other companies release major titles for the PS3 in which you will see this number go down because gamers will be forced to choice which titles they are going to pick up because they cannot grab them all.

This is why NPD numbers are more trusted because they show an overall picture. If anything it would be more interesting to see based on attach rate which genre is more popular on what system and which companies do best overall on platform.

[BWS1982]

but for all the times I see fanboys rag on Sony for the sometimes not-so-great numbers and stats, I have to wonder (I wonder, not making a concrete claim here) just how this would have been impacted, had the entire PS2 base been dropped like a bar of soap had Sony killed the PS2 the way Microsoft killed Xbox (due to varying theories)...Really, if you think about it, 360 got a good jumpstart, nobody's denying that, but in the big picture, we all have to keep in mind, if you were "pro-Sony", you could hang on to the PS2, hell, they released Madden 2009 and Star Wars: Force Unleashed recently, the system still sells millions, and the system is came out 9 years ago here...Xbox didn't have that 'gray area' where it "faded" into 360, it was more like "the flip of a switch"....if you really liked MS and wanted an HD console, you ponied up fast...pleased PS2 fans have been able to take their leisure while Sony STILL supports a decade old console and has a lineup going into 09 if I'm not mistaken. This isn't anti MS at all, this is me wondering aloud about the numbers and possibilities...

[Danja]

I agree with ur comment , and one thing ppl forget is that the millions who are still buying PS2's , which console will they upgrade to when ever that time comes ???

im sure majority is gonna go woth a PS3....

[kunit22c]

i hope i dont sound like a fanboy but i see nintendo getting more 3rd party support because of the upcoming worldly depression... yeah it takes way more money to make a game for ps3 then Wii so i see more of them going to make Wii games or maybe 360, because if you made games and didnt wanna risk their whole bussiness on making a ps3 game that costs alot to make when they could spend less to make a Wii game so i even see sony getting ps3 sales hit hard if they dont make a price cut, so i see wii and xbox360 doing good in sales but 360 might have less games, but wii getting more games.

[Danja]

The Wii sells the least amount of software for 3rd party publishers so I doubt they'll be making more games for the Wii , over the PS3/360 .

and as we can see so far the economic probs doesn't seem to be affecting softwware sales so I think the current trend wont change

[Mozilla89]

Wii's aren't really into gaming, and so they'll be happy with Wii Sports and a few other games. Therefore it would make sense that they sell less. Still I really hope that Sony gets more 3rd part support and I'm not expecting exclusives (though they're nice) but doing things like leading on the PS3 so everyone gets an equally great gaming experience, or getting rid of installs.

[DARKKNIGHT]

has failed them. In every turn and straightaway, M$ and its fanboys have been trying to roadblock sony and its ps3. Fanboys which overlooked RROd, discscratching, among others. Same fanboys who overlooked sonys sales, and hddvds failure.....where are they now? WHAT HAPPENED MART? firstknight? i thought the 360 would reign supreme? I hope you guys have heat in your little caves, because the only system thats hot right now is the ps3. AND I DONT MEAN RROD-wise. Oh yeah, but u guys got gow2 for the next year or so.....and then what? HALO KART RACING?LOL

NONE of it worked. Gamers want the PS3. Gaming needs the PS3.M$ laid all its eggs in one basket, now they have no exclusives worth buying a 360 for + everything with microsofts 360 is a ME-TOO gimmick.

I saw this coming.Microsux should have formulated a better plan other than impeding the evolution of gaming. 2009 is the year sony regains dominance in all sectors. I have a feeling the ps3 will push the envelope for Years to come.

[Saigon]

haha...XBox 360 is Mr. Me Too...

[stevenhiggster]

You are aware that the PS3 has also had plenty of other publishers releasing games too! It has loads of 1st party exclusives, so your argument is pretty much void.

[cmrbe]

you are correct. This is all Sony's 10 year strategy with the PS3. Sony knows that hardcore fans will buy up the PS3 in its initial 1-3 years.

Sony right now is only starting to cater for the mainstream casuals which will sustain the PS3 for years to come.

As Danja pointed out. People are still buying the PS2 becuase its cheap and has the biggest game selection in history of consoles. When the PS3 reaches the mainstream price within 2-3 years with an unmatched game selection. The PS2-PS3 migration will be in full swing and then it will be PS2 all over again. Yes i would imagine those that are still buying the PS2 now to buy the PS3 3-5 years down the road which will sustain PS3 sales long term.

Yes its safe to assume that a fair chunk of xbox fans have migrated to the x360 but not many PS2 fans have migrated yet because the PS2 is still supported and still only 25% of last gen userbase have migrated which leaves 75% yet to migrate which most are PS2 fans.

Sony dosne't care much about the comeptition. They only care about selling at least 10 million consoles a year so that at the end of year 10 they would have at least 100 million PS3.This what they meant that the console race to them its not a sprint but a marathon.

[FBl]

Splinter Cell:Conviction won't be an exclusive unless Microsoft is publishing it.

How does it feel knowing that 3rd parties no longer look at your platform as the bread winner?

[ProfessionalTroll]

Since Ubisoft made most of their money from the Ps3 and not the 360,I figure they've already begun development on Splinter Cell:Conviction,with Ps3 being the lead platform of course

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

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[tocrazed4you]

Sony

[Silogon]

Well, they absolutley need it. Sony has been kicked around this gen like an ugly poodle... No respect from fans, consumers, media or 3rd party.

I hope Sony can earn some love back. We need the ol' dog in there.

[El_Colombiano]

How did they have no respect from the consumers? Have you not been reading the comments on this site!?

[PirateThom]

To be entirely fair, when the PS3 was unveiled at that disasterous E3, they deserved it.

However, Sony have learned from their mistakes and are making it the system to own through quality software, while it's Microsoft who are stuggling to deliver the goods in terms of new titles.

[poopsack]

you mustve not been here last year, or anywhere else in the internet, 1 out of every 3 articles was a "Sony failed" article, and even their fans bagged on them. Some websites must not know that trend is over, since every once in a while we keep seeing these articles. Ignoring Bluray winning the format war, the growth of PS3's sale and attachment rate.

@piratethom- that too

[Miraak82]

I'll always love sony, I've never lost my faith in them, if it wasn't for the playstation brand I would've never been the gamer that I am today

[ultimolu]

I agree Pirate Thom. They're more focused on making the PS3 the best of the best right now. I believe there will be a pricecut by next year, hopefully if this economy holds up.

And I can see 3rd party developers paying more attention to the PS3.

I also agree with you lastawakening, except that it was Nintendo that first drew me in. Then Sony drew me in further. I would play my PS1 nonstop because the system was that awesome, not to mention my uncle's PS2.

Good things are coming to the PS3 and it's gonna kick serious ass.

[Narutone66]

torrent blu-rays. DVDs are so last gen, that's why developers worry about their games being pirated like crazy.

[vdesai]

Blu-Rays can be "torrent"ed the problem is that the PS3 has superior protection and uses low level virtualization giving the system control of ever aspect of the software that is run. The 360 on the other hand used plethora of drives which can be rekeyed and flashed so they take copied games. That and the fact that MS had to go and challenge hackers to hack their system. It was supposed to be "unhackable".

[NBA09TheInsideFlop]

and here we are again with a no-name blog post to try and make the babies of this generation feel better. just you wait till next year! how long are you going to keep saying that?

why don't you droids just come clean now and tell us which one of your mommies or daddies helped you write this? it's ok it wont be the first time.

you keep on waiting, im going to get to playing all the great 3rd party support I have now.

Didn't ubisoft publish a ps3 exclusive Haze? Wow, you guys got some real support there maybe they can do 360 owners a favor and release all that crap exclusive to the jokestation 3.

09 is going to be great! the ownage on the ps3tards is going to be glorious! i have a wonderful text document of all the promises and bullsheet spewed by the tards and it will be a copy and paste massacre in 09.

and..here..we..go!

[DrWan]

Actually the site is wikka wiki based, if u read the bottom of the page, it saids PageOwner: DiggingTheWebmaster; I guess we all need real names nowadays on Internet? and not Alias? Sorry to have offended your taste for posting a no name 'blog', but it contains two tables that summarized official sales data, that for me, is enough credibility!

Yah Haze huh? What about EA. explain that one to me.

[NBA09TheInsideFlop]

Easy. The EA report was skewed and lied about which is typical ps3 fanboy junk. EA basically gave a forcast for their 09 sales and all the ps3 fanboys saw was "PS3 sells more!".

If you want people to take what you say seriously and not as a "get well soon" message to PS3 fanboys then yes you should have a name. Otherwise just type a comment in a forum like we are doing now. Just because you can post a web page doesn't make you instantly credible.

This person is guessing that the PS3 will get more 3rd party support and no where does he have a link or a quote or anything for any publisher or developer saying "we will give Playstation 3 more support in 2009".

[DrWan]

U make no sense, why would EA lie? This is official data to their shareholders. Delusional guy we have there.

[xaviertooth]

no name blog which presents factual data coming from both Ubisoft and EA themselves? i would take it anytime than a no name blog (* sports legend) which just post bullshiits and no data to support.

[AngryTypingGuy]

You have a point. Every year, PS3 fans say "wait until next year". This generation is about half way over (not the shelf-life of the consoles, but until the release of the next-gen ones).

[ultimolu]

...Crybaby.

Not to mention very delusional.

Why can't you bots admit that this *has* been the year of the PS3, in terms of software and it WILL be the year of the PS3 by next year as well?

[FBl]

I can't wait to play Splinter Cell:Conviction in true 1080p only made possible by BluRay and the CELL Broadband processor

[NBA09TheInsideFlop]

you should get it right about the time I'm enjoying MGS4 on the 360 and you are playing DLC in GTA IV.

Man, it must really burn you that the Xbox has stolen so many of your exclusive games. Really sucks to be in last place I imagine. Oh well, keep lying to yourself and you should feel better. Dont mind me I'm going to just sit here for a few minutes and laugh at you and the ignorant that agreed with you.

[LeGenDx]

on my ps3 how about you?

[Narutone66]

all fit on one blu-ray disc with room to spare.

[ultimolu]

Lolz, MGS4.

That's highly unlikely but if it does come, enjoy your gimped port because I guarantee Konami would have to cut a lot of things for the 360's version. PS3 fans would still enjoy the true version on the PS3. If you're so excited for playing former exclusives on your 360 and stupid DLC that adds new characters and missions when GTAIV was crap to begin with instead of new IP's, then I truly feel sorry for you.

As for me and the rest of the fans, we'll be playing some kick ass 1st party exclusives.

Go cry some more.

[DJ]

They sell more software on the PS3 than the 360, and there's no risk of piracy like what we've seen with Gears of War 2 and Fable II. And from the looks of it, the system's sales are about to skyrocket.

If Microsoft isn't careful, we may see multiplats disappear after a few years. They need to fight the 360 piracy issue aggressively, as well as the lingering RROD failures.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

if PS3 is the main dev platform, my multiplatform purchase will then be made on PS3. Thus why I got Dead Space on PS3 over 360. Kinda wish I didn't use my Obsidian suit though as it makes the game kinda easy, although... at times having the extra item spots proved EXTREMELY helpful for me. PSN don't really matter to me as I have no problem still paying for my LIVE. Trophies also don't matter to me as I feel they are a bit late to the party, especially after I've long beaten/lost interest in titles that are just now getting them. Etc..

I do have to say the latest update did wonders for the store though, I've noticed... loading on it is extremely faster.

Also what is the main dev platform for Mirrors Edge? cause that will decide my platform purchase for the game! thanks!

[UltimateIdiot911]

That would be the PS3 and there will be exclusive content for the PS3.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

people are already speculating 09? everyones a fortune teller with crystal balls these days. People still praying for the 360's demise, we will see how this pans out when 09 finally hits. Even then if this starts to happen, it just will flip flop current events between the 2... neither are hurting now and I doubt either will be even if this happens. So give it a rest people. Both systems are going to co-exist wether the extremist fanboys want them to or not!

[UltimateIdiot911]

Personally, I feel fanboys keep these console wars interesting. It can get annoying at times, but very amusing to watch. The benefits of fanboys keeps the good qualities/features alive. Such as most PS3 fanboys would stress that the advantage of PSN is free while 360 fanboy will stress on features worth paying for. Sony will know that if they don't keep PSN free they will piss off a lot of fanboys and that would be bad PR. Microsoft will know that they can keep charging for XBL and support whatever features they support. The bad side is that, companies might not bother improving if fanboys keep justifying flaws.

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

although I must admit I personally get more annoyed with fanboys more than anything. When you can own or at least play multiple consoles, you win on all gaming fronts without a doubt. It's just funny how now days graphics are the most important thing first in games, and thus proves which system seems to already be dominant over the other just based off of graphics. Hell, they even overshadow gameplay based off of most of what I read on this site especially. People claiming sites are paid off to give great reviews rather than just being able to state a game is good when it's good. Games like Fable 2 getting called out on flaws and (not in my opinion) underdelivering, when a game like GTA4 gets scored higher for not at least meeting expectations and having just as many flaws if not more than Fable 2. Games being compared via video's even if the games are from 2 different genres. People not being satisfied with single player games that they need online to finally be happy with the end product (Bioshock didn't need it to be amazing, Fable 1 was great without it... 2 with it, is horrible and it's hard to tell friends you don't want to co-op because you feel it ruins your game, etc..). People comparing online based off of how many players are supported, totally forgetting that there has to be balance with that... and too much can hinder that. ETC.. the list goes on forever. People bicker over the stupidest things. When in all actuallity most games across all platforms could ultimately be enjoyed to a great extent if people would put aside the fanboyism and just learn to enjoy the games. You cannot call yourself a true gamer if you cannot deal with that... and that is fact!

[solidt12]

I love competition when the under dog pulls ahead.

[poet215]

Preach on!!! I totally agree with you. Online is great for some games, but hinders some also. When I was a teen, owning both SNES & Genesis was a very good situation to be in. The Best of both gaming worlds. Aside from some questionable business tactics overall, Microsft & Sony competing should be considered a good thing. Owning both consoles, means you get to play more great games.

[Isaac]

Its platforms are still the most expensive to develop for, so it'll take a little more than just revenue for publishers to decide to focus more on Sony's platforms. However, this means that Sony is actually making more profit than Microsoft on third party games, especially since they don't pay for DLC exclusivity.

This also means that eventually gamers will be more pleased with the PS3. Which is funny considering PS3 has the smallest install base. Sure, nintendo are making more profit right now, but I don't give a damn about that as a gamer, I care about games, and if it's also about a companies profit, the Blu-ray format was has just been won, which will rake in billions of dollars for Sony too (In case anyone who isn't a stockholder cares). Sony is also selling the most expensive console and still selling well, while Microsoft is temporarily outselling Sony by making a loss on its cheapest SKU (we have yet to see if it was a spike or not).

Microsoft should be worried because they are not earning money like Nintendo on their consoles, they are not selling as much 3rd party software as Sony, and they don't have much to gain in the long term like Sony with its format war, especially when you consider that the content on demand market is far from being a big one, and it's gonna be crowded anyway.

[RememberThe357]

When i started reading I thought the article was going to have little tidbits of news or rumors going around. But, instead they have some sales figures that I've already seen. At least list some third pary exclusives that are coming out in 2009...

[BWS1982]

but sometimes a set of numbers laid out for the masses is more impactful than speculation and rumors. A rumor can be wishful thinking, whereas the article (with bad grammar and all) gives cold hard facts, and lets the rumors go off those facts, so at least there's a basis, better than another Surfer girl or "This dev didn't deny a sequel, so that means it's true"....

[SpikeSpiegel]

Starting with Burnout Paradise earlier this year, alot of games have come out on both the PS3 and the 360 at the same time. I feel that most games that go exclusive to the 360 is just due to the fact that it is easier to develop for. Once that hurdle is crossed then I believe the third party exclusives will start going the way of the dodo (even though it has already begun).

[Rhoic]

*EA third party support mostly.. I don't see this happening very soon, as it is still a pain to program for on the PS3 when you can make pretty much the same thing on the 360 in half the time.

I used this analogy once, and don't get me wrong, I love the PS3.. saving up for one right now..

360:

A man is given a hammer and a chisel and is told to make a wheel.. he obviously knows how, and will make it pretty soon.

PS3:

The man has his chisel taken away, and is told to make a wheel using only the hammer.. this will result in twice the amount of time given to make the same thing.

Point being, until developers get better tools (and I mean, a LOT better, as I could hardly see any difference between Dead Space on the consoles and Burnout Paradise), this wont happen for a while.

[Socomer 1979]

ps3 gamers have money. Our dollar is needs to be earned.
we want games using the 50gb disc even if you use all that extra space with bonus
Feaures with interview & gag reels. Its has to be hd. Ports of games with no feaures suck
& were not buying it. Add the in game music & trophies. Sony got the rest handled.

Im surfing the playstation wave. Its bigger than a tsunami.
Ps3 fans want devs to make full bluray game & xmb use.
homespace & psn & psp originals. Do that and I guarantee we will
buy the crap out of it blindly.

[ActionBastard]

I think the "hope" that Sony somehow fails this generation is a little misguided. In terms of what their presence in the gaming space has done to/for the industry, that alone gains my respect. That and some of most memorable gaming of my life has been on Sony hardware. This has been a great year and 09 looks to be even better. Happy Gaming!

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

for 360 and PS3 failing is well known between fanboys of both sides. Sony has done a lot for this industy thus why they are still highly looked up to and I know that ticks off 360 fanboys. Regardless of all the crap Sony fanboys want to say of 360, I know it's ticking them off that Microsoft has been around in this industy longer than they've expected and despite of problems are still doing well this generation. Fanboys just can't be happy with either side just doing well in this industy. There's going to be a bitter rivalry for some time. All I know is fanboys on either side that just owns that 1 system of choice, truely are missing out this gen as great games are out there to be played across every system!

[RememberThe357]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[jack who]

WaitStation

[DrWan]

So you are saying that the X360 has no games then? PS3 and X360 has the same games and Sony has more exclusive than X360 currently just from first party alone.

[Kain81]

Look at Pleasefixme360times Huxly, Conan, Alan Wake, Splinter Cell5 yes wait alittlebit longer for that.

[NickIni]

Good things come to those who wait.

[ultimolu]

PirateBox60.

[pwnsause]

i just hope we see more improvements within the PS3's OS. So far the we've been seeing how the PSN and the Console itself has been evolving thus far, and its pretty great. I want to see them bring in cross-game invites and in game voice messaging and of course bring full PSN integration within the official PS3 website along with brand spanking new gamercards which would allow us to see the trophies that people have collected thus far, not to mention make them automated.

[Bladestar]

The PS3 may get more support from 3rd developers but that does not means less support for the XBox 360...

As long as the XBox 360 leads in any regions (specially the US) 3rd party developers will always think of it first. Also, microsoft based on their latest financial report ($$$$) will always be willing to pay for specially treatment (Timed Exclusive, Exclusive DLC and exclusives).

While Sony sits on their hands and hope that blu-ray drive PS3 sells microsoft price drops already pushed froward the xbox 360 installbase lead by at least another 300K... Unless Sony drops the price this holiday; which does not seems to be the case; the xbox 360 will probably increase the gab by another 500K-1Mil at a minimum.

And many of you think that all of the sudden 3rd party developers are going to ignore that and prioritize the console with the lowest intallbase? yeah.. right.... because we all love Sony and we hate money.

[NickIni]

Christmas could go either way, but Wii has won already.

Sure, the 360 is cheaper, but the majority of their games are for more mature audiences, and generally people in the older half of the market do their research. Blu Ray is a massive attraction for a lot of people, and LBP will appeal to younger audiences.

In these economic times, it means people will want to spend less, but it also means they'll be more wary about what they purchase, chances are they'll do research, and what will they find?

MS hasn't won yet. Neither has Sony. Nintendo has, Sony and MS are fighting for 2nd place, but the thing is, without the price drop, Sony would win by a mile this Xmas.

[ultimolu]

...The 360 only has a lead in the U.S. Currently, Sony is cleaning house in Europe, Asia, and other small countries Microsoft should care about.

Your FUD will not stop the inevitable so give it up.

Cheaper doesn't always mean better, and the games on the 360 are NOT for everyone. Not everyone is going to buy a 360 for the sake of Gears 2, Left 4 Dead, or Banjoo Kazooie.

It amazes me how PS3's are *still* selling even though it's *expensive*.

You're overestimating sales for the 360, as usual and underestimating the PS3.

[Bladestar]

"You're overestimating sales for the 360, as usual and underestimating the PS3. " are you sure you are not underestimating the xbox 360 sells and overestimating the PS3? because to me that's what many of you have being doing with the PS3 since lauch.. remember when many of you though that the PS3 would already catchup to the xbox 360 by now? 2-3 years later? I'm sure that many of you sony supported didn't think that the PS3 would be on 3rd party almost half way into the console generation... also, that microsoft would be beating the PS3 even japan for a straight month...

please show me links that indicate that after the price drop Sony is winning every where outside of the US... because if japan is any indication... I highly doubt that...

"Sony and MS are fighting for 2nd place, but the thing is, without the price drop, Sony would win by a mile this Xmas." dude... that's irrelevant... that's like me saying, if Apple would be selling their computers at $300 it would beat the PC in terms of sales... well guess what... that's not the case. So, you are going to have to live with the fact that the xbox 360 will always cost less to make and will always have a price advantage so... the "Sony would win by a mile this Xmas." well... would only be possible in the matrix... part of ensuring that a product is successful is to ensure the price is mainstream friendly if you are targeting that market.. Currently the PS3 does not offer a clear advantage when it comes to games... sony's market is the fans that are willing to pay more in order to watch movies... and sales are showing that... mainstream is not jumping and buying a PS3...

[ultimolu]

Bladestar....do I need to answer that?

The only lead the 360 has is in the United States. Europe is Sony's territory as well as Japan. The U.K is the only place where both companies are side by side.

In Japan, Sony has a two million lead over Microsoft. Microsoft can't even break a million sales in Japan. They've been getting a few victories here and there but not enough to beat Sony.

I never implied that I was overestimating the PS3 and underestimating the 360. In fact, either company could win this generation's war. Even if Microsoft won for this year, they will still have more of a difficult battle for next year.

That's the way I see it.

The rest of your argument falls back on poorly rehashed statements.

[XBox RRoDed again]

I've got Gears of War 2, Halo Wars and.....ummmm.....give me a minute....just a minute.....I CAN'T TAKE THE PRESSURE!!!!!!.......(RRoD)

[Sarah Palin]

Have my 360 DIE(RRoD) from a overload of games, than have my PS3 DIE(from internal frying) from the dust it will collect, just sitting there, not doing anything. Or having it BRICK UP after a BS Firmware update.

Turn-around times for 360 Repairs? 4 business days.
If you cant wait that long, you must REALLY be a hardcore gamer. But thats all you'll ever be. You'll never be a boyfriend/girlfriend to anyone, except for when your playing HOME. You'll never move out of your parents basement. You prolly quit school already, b/c god forbid you do ANY homework when theres game to be played. I doubt you'll have a job, which means you'll have to take the bus to Gamestop to feed your addiction(no money usually equals no car). I dont know buddy, but I dont think I want to be THAT hardcore, lol.

[NickIni]

Four business days?

Mine took two weekes. I know no one who's Xbox took under a week to get back to them.

[NickIni]

Four business days?

Mine took two weeks. I know no one who's Xbox took under a week to get back to them.

Ach. Lagg

[power of Green]

Won't happen until Devs make even *or* more revenue on PS3.

A few devs once in a blue moon taking the easy route catering to the lowest common denomonator is not a real trend.

(It is easier to make a PS3 game using PS3's cababilities and easily porting to 360 vs making a game using the 360's more capable hardware as lead and struggling with PS3's less capable hardware when porting).

[swiftshot93]

are you bored or something???

less capabale my a**...

[Sharpshell]

you would know that this is more then a few random devs once in a while. Ubisoft and EA consistantly make more money on PS3 then 360, and rahter than spending your time trolling so you can say stupid things, just look it up this trend goes back months, consistently. Also the minute you start talking about "inferior" and "superior" hardware you reveal yourself as an ignorant jacka** because the fact is that the arcitecture is simply very different (not worse/beter necissaraly), therefore porting the games from one system to another is very dificult REGARDLESS of which is the lead platform. Every time I read your crap I feel dumber, please stop.

[Danja]

He's just pissed because all the crap he sid lasted about the PS3 is now happening to his beloved 360...

keep telling urself that the 360 is more powerful than the PS3 if that makes you feel better...The 360 has yet to have a game out which M$ can openly say "this cannot be done on the PS3"...

BTW MGS4 says hi..^.^

[power of Green]

This is a sad and pathetic thread reaching in a unsure environment(for Sony)

Weak ass SDF news post taking up space. lol

DEVs won't be able *or* afford to cater to PS3's hardware as the competition gets tuff, when it comes to making the best product devs can make so they can compete.

Devs will go with the weaker and stronger version's approach vs matching them, downgrading the game by default handi-capping the potential of games for the sake of matching bragging rights claiming they have overcome the PS3's hardware issues(falsly sovling the problem).

Developing on PS3 as lead simply allows devs to make a game problem free never adding/implementing what the 360 was doing that was causing PS3 to struggle in the first place.

Devs saying it is "easier" is just another way of saying we don't have to work as hard with an 360 standard and we don't like the PS3 fan backlash due to PS3's capabilities.

[Ashton]

*hugs Power of green *

I know it's a tough time to be you man .

with that much negative news that you posted for PS3,,,energy wasted,,,this article just took a dump on all your anti PS3 posts

[power of Green]

Devs would rather lead on the Wii then port to the 360 vs designing a game on the 360 first then stuggling to somewhat match the Wii port. Now take away the vast difference in power,taking Wii out and Add the PS3, still the same concept.

That PSN free sh*t is fucin retarded, people are willing to pay for XBL and in a few weeks the it will even be worth it more.

Oblivion's engine was upgraded by the time the PS3 version released, the expansion's on the 360 had the same engine upgrades the retail PS3 version of the full game had, later on the 360 version was patched and had the engine improvments in it.

As for ES and BS those games are old who would be them without incentives lol.

Don't believe PS3 fud it is always BS.

[RememberThe357]

It's OK man, the 360 is doing fine. Now unbunch your panties.

[Sharpshell]

everything you say has nothing to do with the topic at all? You were that kid in elementary school who when people called him fat he would say something like "I'm not fat because your stupid"... wait you probably still are that kid aren't you? Stop the inane rambling about oblivion and PSN or some crazy conspiracy theory regarding devs purposefully crapifing the 360 versions of multiplats (at least thats what I think you were suggesting, since your post was written as if by a 3rd grader who neglects to proofread its "tuff" to say for sure lol)... what does any of that have to do with the fact that what you said in the first place was moronic? Oh wait you can't respond because you only have 3 bubbles... I wonder why.

[Why o why]

u sound really pissed. dont worry though; We all saw this happening

[ultimolu]

As usual, you have no idea what you're talking about.

That's pure FUD and you know it.

You knew that sooner or later, PS3 fans would have their day. You *knew* that this FUD would not hold up. With the piracy going on with 360 games, among other things, I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft drops 360 owners and start working on their next console by 2010.

...We need to give this guy a group hug guys before he takes drastic measures.

[Darkseider]

LOL. POG is a comedian at heart really. Either that or just truly delusional but in either case just as funny. Anyway, it's been proven that by developing on the PS3 as the lead platform and then going to the 360 makes an excellent game for both. Whereas going from 360 to PS3 not so much and that is due to developer laziness in an effort to get a big titled shovelware out to another market. EA and Ubi are finally realizing this and I am willing to bet that after the holiday season other devs will begin to switch to the PS3 as the lead console for their game development.

[vdesai]

less capable how? Because ive noticed a blunder that all fanboys make, they are very general.

Thats why EA said they will lead on the PS3 is it?

[sinncross]

One point which the writer didn't make (i think, maybe i missed it it) was that the PS3 has outsold the Xbox360 by a good margin this entire year.
The PS3 still has a higher install base in Japan, and in Europe its almost neck and neck.
If 2008 has allowed Sony to catch up to MS a little, then imagine 2009? Sony has a line-up of exclusives that surpass that of MS's, with Sony finally getting some more needed JRPG's into their lineup (yes PS3 does indeed have a couple as it is). SOny is only going to distance themselves in Japan, at the very least, with MS's only real hope being Star Ocean 4 to quell that. But when WKC, FF13, FFversus13 all exclusive to PS3 in Japan, it's going to be tough for MS.

And in Europe, both the PS3 versions Fifa 09 and PES 09 have widely outsold their 360 counterparts, with PES 09 selling over 400k in week 1, and the 350 version only getting just over 150k. Yes its a soccer title, but its still a sign that multi platform titles can still sell well on the PS3 over the 360.
I think there is much hope for the PS3, it's just the PSP I'm worried about. And as long as Sony keeps getting some good firmware updates out, then both will be awesome devices to own.

[PureGamer]

I have both systems but il still buy 3rd party games on the 360, achievements really add loads of playtime to me and plus i just prefer xbox live as more of my mates are there.

[Mr_Potato_]

you know PS3 has trophies in every game now and it's a better system than achievements (and it includes gamer leveling too), right ?

[Rhoic]

I didn't know that, considering it's an opinion rofl. Achievements are simple and fun to get.. I hate the fact that I have like 5 different sets of trophies.. Why not just have a number to show off to your friends and tout it?

[ApocalypseShadow]

about ps3 are coming back to haunt them.it's taking time on some things,but others hit them in the face real hard.

pog,mart,top gamer,first knight,kewl kat(is now laying low behind bubbles),jason360,etc,were dogging ps3 with FUD.screaming from the top of their lungs that they were right because microsoft told them so.but ended up wrong so many times that ps3 fans lost count.

1080p-sony was right that newer tvs would support this and ps3 would support it(not all games like 360 fans say.they lie).made microsoft create a software update for 1080p to keep up.

hdmi-sony was right again.forced microsoft to go and redesign their system and split the haves with the have nots.

sony was right about hard drives as standard and bigger.microsoft had to create a new proprietary hard drive because 20 gig wasn't enough.even when at first microsoft said it was.but how were gamers going to save all that digital download content on 11-13 gigs of actual space?

sony was right and will be right about creating not just a community,but being able to see your avatar mingle with other gamers.microsoft went and copied nintendo and are trying to get a jump on sony's sharing of content by using their(MS) software know how.

sony was right about bluray and it winning over hd-dvd.but microsoft and 360 fans said the lower price would beat out bluray.what happened?they got punched in the face.far faster than any other format was supported.and then they lied and said their were payoffs.when the only ones we know of were from toshiba and microsoft.or say dvd is winning.so was vhs at one time over dvd.

their getting slapped in the face.they are upset that all that trashing of sony and fud spreading from microsoft didn't work these 2 years.

and now we are sitting at the dawn of third parties moving over their development to sony's console and making games for it first.and again,phil harrison said A LONG TIME AGO,that devs would have a better time making games for ps3 and porting.which would make better 360 games as a result.and it's happening at companies like EA.and the result:

EA making money off of ps3 gamers.games like madden hitting 60fps.mirrors edge from dice leading on ps3.burnout paradise leading on ps3.ubisoft making more money on ps3.it's going to happen more often.either making a cross platform engine like capcom and square-enix or leading on ps3 first.

but they also neglect that ps3 exclusives like GT5 and uncharted look better than 360's best.you can't compare 16 cars to 8 in forza2.1080p to 720p.real looking cars to "GAME" looking cars.in car view to no in car view.BUT THEY TRY THEIR HARDEST TO COMPARE.

but the haters will see soon enough like pog.they have been wrong so many times that now it's kind of boring to even laugh at them.

apocalypse.................

[Narutone66]

about a little competition from MS. This is so as to keep Sony putting out better games. We as a gamer will benefit from this competition.

[Danja]

I agree that competiton is good for the industry but I think his comment was directed at the FUD the 350 fanboys was spewing last year when this site was over-run by the likes of POG/The Mart/FirstKnight/Maestro/Jason 360 just to name a few....

[ultimolu]

Well said.
Have a bubble.

[DevastationEve]

So a game's greatness is based on how many pixels it draws on screen? How many does MGS4 draw?

[Mitch_Cumstein]

With all that you claim Sony got so right you would think the PS3 would be selling like hotcakes especially considering the marketshare Sony had last generation. Which makes me think....

Considering how they got all that right with the PS3 and its still getting embarrassed in sales(Even in Japan...bawawawawawawa). How bad would it be doing if they got it wrong.

Want to see something funny go back a year ago and read the articles similar to this. They speculated Sony would finally bounce back, even calling it the year of the PS3. They talked of developers getting used to the cell and overtaking the 360. All sorts of speculation that sent PS3 fanboys in a frenzy proclaiming "HA I TOLD YOU SO", not realizing they were dealing with poorly reasoned speculation. In the end they were left eating crow, and lots of it.

You would think they would learn, but yet here we are again. Poorly reasoned speculation being believed by idiots hanging on to what little hope they have left. I guess you don't mind eating crow.

[ApocalypseShadow]

halo3
mass effect
bioshock
............that whole "perfect storm" as microsoft called it......

was a fluke?

yeah sure.whatever.how about this year where ps3 outsold microsoft worldwide.that was a fluke at a higher price huh?

or 360 in such high demand,that they dropped the price under even Wii price levels but still doesn't sell like Wii.that's "high demand" there you say.when it's so good,you have to drop the price.

nintendo didn't drop their price and are still outselling microsoft.sony are still sitting at a high price and are still competitive with 360.

first to 10 million wins like microsoft said.then why are they behind in sales and overall LTD console sales against nintendo?

think about it.

it's got good games on it,but i don't see an increase in 360 momentum.i see it hitting its high point before the fall and eventual release of a successor.

and to the other,games aren't based on graphics.it's gameplay.but 360 fans made graphics an issue after gears release.we just finished it by showing 360's weakness when it was said in 2007 that 360 would always lead in graphics.doesn't look that way.they even said 360 has more memory.doesn't look that way.

apocalypse..................

[vdesai]

They are selling like hotcakes even though the economy is not that great. Guess what? Ya the PS2 still sells well where do you think all those sony "fanboys" will go once the lifecycle of the ps2 ends?

[poet215]

I agree with alot of what you're posting, but.......C'mon Buddy, you may as well write a book lol.......that post was too long. lol

[poet215]

Sorry, double post

[xg-ei8ht]

POG, ah don't cry man.

PS3 is a power house.

I heard ubisoft turned down the physics in the ps3 version to stay on par with the lower powered 360 version. Shame.

It's also a shame gears of war 2 is such a mess. Same graphics, Same gameplay. And glitches galore. 5hr campaign. and so much slowdown.

And pog trying to convince people it's the other way around.

360 is ok, but if gears is the best graphically the machine can push, your in trouble.

720 will be out next year. That i guarentee you.

But the trouble is, no-one will be willing to buy another 3fixmebox.

After LBP comes, this christmas 360 is gonna lose big. Mark my Words.

[Bladestar]

I wouldn't use Metal Gear to show the superiority of the PS3 over the xbox 360...

a game that only have 4 hours of gameplay, require installs to start playing it and more installs after each chapter is not a game I would use to show the PS3 power... instead... it shows that the PS3 was pushed way beyond what is capable of doing.. clearly showing it's limitations.

[Mr_Potato_]

@bladestar : what you say is so ridiculous, at least check your facts... MGS4 is > 20 hours in gameplay only.

And LOL @ the japan sales of 360, you shouldn't believe M$ bullcrap, it sold 1k or 2k more during a few weeks recently because of RPG, but Sony PS3 has a 4:1 advantage and a 2 million lead there, so nobody cares if 360 sells more one week, it's still dead there and below 1 million...

[R_1993]

This article actually makes sense, unlike some others.

[Zulwarn]

ofourse BS3 will get the left overs of the 360 eg: bioshock,eternal sonata etc

while THE 360!
get new games in 2009 which ofcourse the droids will get in 2010

we will see this same BS3 article yet again!

BS3
Wait Beyond!

[ChickeyCantor]

" I hope you had fun looking at those data, and it really is quite baffling when people tell you 1) PS3 has no games and 2) PS3 is too expensive"

Change some words and you have the same nonsense from fans with the likes of yours.

Not bashing this guy, but i hate when people go like this because they scream the same sh/t just with different arguments.

And i see no reason why the Ps3 won't have more support in 2009.
Same goes for Wii.(yes EA and UBI don't sell that great on the Wii...but seriously they make totall trash, and COD:WaW is a good start xD, then again they don't need to sell as much on the Wii as they need to sell on the PS3, budgets are different)
Havn't looked much into the 360 lately not sure how thats going. -_-

[JasonPC360PS3Wii]

That pretty much sums up the article

[Zorik4]

you can't compare 16 cars to 8 in forza2.1080p to 720p.real looking cars to "GAME" looking cars.in car view to no in car view.BUT THEY TRY THEIR HARDEST TO COMPARE.
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Backgrounds in Forza2 looks better,damage looks good too All PS3 power was taken by the Car render and 1080p overall picture in Forza2 looks more balanced

[Sarah Palin]

Well, if this is true---then maybe Sony IS paying attention.
Because, although it seems to have potential, PS3 needs all the help it can get.

[Mr_Potato_]

Only the 360 needs help right now, it's been outsold worldwide since 2 years, it's dead in Japan, beaten in Europe in install base, and it had no AAA exclusive in 2008, unless you consider Fable 2 as AAA (it got 89.xx on metacritic, so it's not AAA until proven otherwise).

2009 will be another PS3 year with god of war 3, heavy rain, mag, infamous, killzone 2, gran turismo 5 and all the others. Which exclusive has the 360 ? Alan Wait ? Give me a break, MS doesn't really try, they're accepting the defeat right now.

MS is closing studios right now, I wouldn't be surprised if they stop with gaming before 2011.

[Mitch_Cumstein]

The best things about the PS3 is always based on speculation and rumor?

How many times have you heard "just wait until <fill in blank>"

"Just wait until GTA IV hits"

"just wait until MGS4 hits"

"Just wait until the PS3 gets its first price drop"

"Just wait until Blu Ray wins"

"just wait until FF XIII comes out"

"just wait until developers learn how to use the Cell."

"Just wait until Home hits"

I used to think Sony's slogan was "just wait until". So I am sorry, but with the recent financial reports of Sony and their drastically reduced forecasts things are not pretty at all in Sony Land.

With the recent consumer response to the 360's price drop doubling PS3 sales, and the holidays approaching Sony is in serious trouble. Sony can't afford a price drop and the way the economy is going expensive luxury items are sure to take a hit with Sony's competitiin being at a much lower price.

You also have to keep in mind with the awful economic situation investors will be dwindling rapidly and those companies willing to invest are not going to pay the larger development costs the PS3 requires. It is much too big a risk, considering the unfriendly architecture of the PS3.

You don't think Sony is in trouble? Just take a look at how the PS3 is doing in Japan...Now that is embarrasing.

[DevastationEve]

Support was always there for PS3. It's just the shift in volume of former exclusive games as they become multiplatform. Multiplatform is all about recovering developments costs quicker. You just can't ignore the install base of another console, especially not in today's world.

[REDZEV]

You Droids that contribute Pro Sony storys are hilarious. Where do you guys come up with this stuff anyways. Farther from the truth and in serious denial.ROFL

[cesc5000]

You lot, all of you,I have just made the game boy printer work on my windows vista it prints in nearly HD quality! I have customised my ps3 to look like a gamecube, so I can now pay FAR CRY ON MY GAMECUBE!!!

[Bullseye]

Okay, i live in the UK where 360 is by far, the preferred choice. Still, it's possible,but highly unlikely.However, i'm happy to let the devs have the final word on this, because where they go, gamers will follow.And we all know the PS3, currently, does have inferior multiplatform games. Why do you think i got 360 version of Dead space?

[Sprudling]

It's quite clear you get your "facts" from the 360 fanboys on the street.

Know this:

* The XBOX360 has been out in Europe for 35 months.
* The PS3 has been out in Europe for 19 months.
* Today, the number of PS3s and XBOX360s in Europe are nearly equal.

* The PS3 has a huge lead (percentagewise) over XBOX360 in Japan.
* The PS3 outsold XBOX360 worldwide last year and is on track for doing it this year too.

[Rhoic]

What is with people trying to back something up by using percentages that already happened? How about using something that is actually useful?

[cmrbe]

Anyone with half a brain could see this coming. Any sane and logical person knows that the PS3 will eventually win.

Devs know that the PS3 is built to last. Devs don't want to invest long term in a console with a short lifespan. EA, UBI, Activision etc all want to sell as many games on a console for as long as they can. Madden 09 PS2 rings any bell?. Where is Madden 09 xbox anyways?. See people. Logic.

[Rhoic]

It's on the 360.. and it sold more than the PS3 and PS2 combined on the NPB numbers dude.

[yojoe26]

that the ONLY time i participate in these forums is when i have no games that I really want to play, but now that littlebigplanet, resistance two beta, and motorstorm 2 are out i am too busy playing games to participate. so until the next video game dry spell comes, i bid all of you, my friends, adieu!!

[house]

man i am new to this site but seems like hes mad that the ps3 is just doing better than the 360 sorry to break it to you pog it was just a matter of time