Red Dead Redemption 2 is a disappointment

Red Dead Redemption 2 is the biggest example ever of the old way of building video games. It builds on top Rockstar’s foundation, but it does nothing to shake up or question those underlying elements.

[UltraNova]

Nice article, the title does disservice to it though.

"I thought Rockstar was going to define the future of games with this, and I don’t think it did. This is still the same game it’s always made." - I thought so too, since they actually said something like that prior to release. I would finish the above quote "... its always made" with > just a lot more of it.

[oasdada]

But i find it hypocritical that one expects too way too much out of a high pedigree studio but is ok with ubisofts highly formulaic games considering both games are selling for the same price.. We see this too much from sony studios where people have too much unrealistic expectations from games that are already ultra high quality

[Christopher]

When you can tell someone hasn't played Origins or Odyssey.

Ubisoft actually changed the whole formula towards an RPG, but that's old and formulaic compared to RDR2 changing nothing other than slowing down the pacing entirely?

How about we try not to distract from the issues of one game being discussed by trying to make it look worse than a game that you misrepresent?

[oasdada]

@christopher
Changing genre doesnt mean they innovated.. Origins and Odyssey are as text book an rpg as it gets.. They took ideas from a bunch of different games and just mashed em together as it is

[Christopher]

***Changing genre doesnt mean they innovated..***

What type of goal post moving is this? No one said RDR2 needed to innovate either, just not use gameplay concepts from over a decade ago. Gameplay concepts that have been innovated in tons of other games over the last decade and have improved the enjoyment of game by ridding users of the need to waste time doing micro-managing or the like and instead focus on the actual game.

*** Origins and Odyssey are as text book an rpg as it gets.***

They're 'good' RPGs, which overall isn't textbook unless you ignore all the bad RPGs. And being 'text book' doesn't mean bad, but you seem to want to throw that connotation at it. I bet people ignore the fact that BioWare RPGs are also textbook in design and they've been pulling concepts form the 90s/early 2000s into their moderns games still, but they're 'good' RPGs unlike this others who do the same thing?

***They took ideas from a bunch of different games and just mashed em together as it is***

And we know how horrible that has worked out towards making successful games. CoD, WoW, etc. You're trying to act like taking good parts of other games into one is a bad thing, but isn't that _exactly_ what we want them to do to make better games?

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If Odyssey/Origins had just built upon what they were, they would be argued as being all the same. But, RDR2 does just that, but we can't call them out for being more of the same with controls and gameplay concepts?

Seems like some situational opinion being thrown around here rather than actual concern for better games. But, hey, it's the 'cool' thing to hate on Ubisoft even if you don't actually play their games, just like people complain about CoD, don't play them, but it still sells millions upon millions.

[Skull521]

It's easily the finest crafted game of this generation. I find it strange when people complain about its pacing. The game has been in development for seven year and you want to burn through it in two sittings or something? I guess I knew what I was in for because I decided it was the only game I was buying this fall so I could play it properly and not feel like I need to rush it to get on to playing titles that aren't nearly as good.

[Christopher]

***The game has been in development for seven year and you want to burn through it in two sittings or something?***

No one is saying that. But, I'd rather be playing the game than micro-managing stupid stuff that is just tedious and unnecessary.

I'm playing the game after spending over 100 hours in AC Odyssey. I have no issue spending a lot of time in a game. But, in Odyssey I wasn't sitting there spending the majority of my time watching the game, managing meaningless things, or worrying about inventory like in RDR2. Fast travel was unlocked immediately. The focus was on you playing the game and not micromanaging everything around you. And cut scenes happened, but they gave you choices and didn't involve long, drawn out scenarios where you have to actively keep up with someone just to hear them talk before you get to a cut scene.

The arguments over which is the 'better' as far as story and graphics doesn't matter here. It's about actually playing a game rather than wasting time doing filler stuff and forced to sit through slow things that prevent you from actually playing something rather than travelling slowly through the world.

R* nailed atmosphere, but, and because I have to put this here otherwise people will think I'm claiming it's a fact, IMHO, they freaking failed entirely on making a modern-day game with moder-day gameplay concepts that aim to reduce menial tasks let alone help to ensure that you're quickly getting into the actual story and gameplay versus trudging between them very slowly. And, please, they should have updated that UI on so many levels. Or at least made it option that 'level of immersion' because for some of us having to bump our character into everything in a room to find something isn't fun, it's waste of time doing sometihng menial rather than entertaining.

[Strafe]

Or Christopher, RDR2 is a better game? Not in your eyes? Maybe not, but you're in the minority.

EDIT:'How about we try not to distract from the issues of one game being discussed by trying to make it look worse than a game that you misrepresent? '

How about an admin that doesn't dictate what we should talk about?

[n1kki6]

Ok. I will play. So what about bethesda and their xonstant glitchy games. Fpr years they got a pass because of the scope of the game, until fallout r came out and people qere sick of it.

In the case of rockstar they have done nothing to evolve the controls and game mechanics and it still plays like a ps2 game and people are cool with it becausw the hoese nuts shrink and grow with the temperature.

[sammarshall102]

I'm kind of glad I didn't read reviews because going into this game blind I'm still blown away

[Christopher]

***Or Christopher, RDR2 is a better game? Not in your eyes? Maybe not, but you're in the minority.***

I might be in the minority of opinion who don't think it's as great as people make it out to be, but guess how much more valuable that makes the opinion compared to the opinion of everyone else? Hint: same value. At least it's the opinion from someone playing the game and still enjoying it for what it is, but really wishing it unleashed itself from old concepts that have nothing to do with improving gameplay.

***How about an admin that doesn't dictate what we should talk about?***

How about an admin that's allowed to have an opinion just like anyone else? It wasn't a command, but my absolute opinion on how oasdada decided to deflect from the issues of RDR2 by bringing up another game, as if that somehow changes the issues of RDR2.

[deafdani]

Rockstar's games take way longer to develop than Ubi games, generally speaking, have a way higher Metascore than that of Ubisoft's games.

Because of that, expectations are higher for games coming from Rockstar than Ubisoft. It's really not that hard to understand. If I take 8 years to make a game, people will expect more from my game than what they expect from an annual release.

[WickedLester]

I dont blame R* for what they made nearly as much as I blame critics for showering this game with perfect 10's. Dont get me wrong, I'm enjoying the game but it has definite issues. It's certainly not a perfect game.

[WickedLester]

@Skull521

"Its easily the finest crafted game this generation."

That's completely subjective. It's a good game but there are several others I enjoyed so much more. RDR2 is certainly a beautiful game with interesting characters and dialogue, but I find it a bit of a chore to play. It's just not very fun IMO. And if you're not having fun, what's the point?

[nitus10]

Jim Sterling on his Jimquisition of Red Dead Redemption 2 is quite interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

His take is that the game is very good and highly detailed, but sometimes ridiculous attention to detail starts to actually get in the way of the game.

[-Foxtrot]

Jim nailed it with that video, it's basically them wanting it to be too realistic where it gets in the way of fun

I loved hunting in the first Red Dead Redemption because it made me want to upgrade all my gear so I can hold more but with the way the hunting is in this game it's put me off doing it for now...it'll probably be one of the last things I do so I can say I've done it. They need to add an option for Arthur to fast travel to either your camp or local town butcher once you've hunted an animal down and pick up the pelt/body.

There was nothing wrong with the hunting and there was nothing wrong with the massive weapon wheel to house most of your weapons.

If they did it where you could only select one weapon for each slot and if you wanted to swap you had to go to your horse then FAIR ENOUGH, I'd be completely fine with that.

[UltraNova]

Fox,

Exactly, I dont like hunting in this game that much. The fact that I have to worry about the pelt quality when killing the animal, then that it decays with time and having to mount it on my horse and ride to the closest butcher or that roaming guy(forgot his name) for God knows how long is a major time waste to the point I'm considering nof avoiding hunting altogether until I'm literally forced to for nessesary upgrades.

Its details like this that show Rockstar's ...old fashioned...approach to game mechanics.

[bluefox755]

Yeah, it's great and all, and I'm very much enjoying it, but it didn't live up to the hype, whereas game like God of War greatly exceeded the hype for me. My favorite things about the game are exactly what I thought they'd be, the world they built, and the story. The parts I thought that would be weaker by comparison, like gameplay, are predictably weaker.

[majiebeast]

Who knew just another overrate Rockstar game i hope all the reviewers that gave it a 10 got a nice fat cheque.

[Obscure_Observer]

I find funny how a game which is on its second iteration and have improved on every single front is considered more of the same?

Will the same people complaing of more of the same when second new iteration SoT, Ori, Quantum Break, Horizon, TLOU come out?

I doubt it. Hypocrisy will be on spotlight. Soon.

[MrVux000]

"Will the same people complaing of more of the same when second new iteration SoT, Ori, Quantum Break, Horizon, TLOU come out? "

If the media-outlets and reviews over-hype them like they did with RDR 2 ? Definitely.

[rainslacker]

It's improved on some things, but is worse in others. Some of the "improvements" are actually a detriment to the quality of the game, so this game is a good example that changing something for the better isn't always an improvement.

When you have major publications saying that the game play isn't fun, then there is a problem with the game....regardless of if it's improved or not. The fact they gloss over that fact to go on at length on the amazing world and attention to detail/interactivity just means that the game is being overhyped, and it's allowing people to ignore problems that shouldn't be problems for a game 7 years in the making.

[monkey602]

"I thought Rockstar was going to define the future of games with this, and I don’t think it did"

I am absolutely loving Red Dead so far but I haven't played a lot of it. I also agree many had this expectation. Which I think is unfair. There's very little can truly be done to shatter the foundations and bring us something forever going to change how we see games.

Expect to see these same headlines about CyberPunk 2077 when it releases too, as the media generates an unrealistic buzz about breaking the mould. Which it can't live up to

(I'm also looking forward to Cyberpunk)

[Saijahn]

i think this is the overall problem with gaming in general, the lack of innovation. RDR2 is fantastic in every regard, but it's still the same old same open world adventure. I'm not sure how much innovation can come out of gaming even though there's so much tech to play with yet we still keep getting essentially the same games every year.

[bloop]

I don't really understand how much innovating you can do with a 3rd person action game though, when it comes to game mechanics. It is what it is, a 3rd person action game. I don't know how far many people are in to the game either, but what I've come across so far just out in the open world is ground breaking for me. I'm coming across unique random events practically every few minutes, and I'm not just talking about the ones where someone's horse died and they need a lift to town or sucking venom out of the leg of some guy that's been bitten by a snake. I don't want to spoil anything here, but I'm being absolutely blown away by things I just happen to come across randomly. The amount of work they put in to the world is just absolutely insane.

[-Foxtrot]

I feel like Rockstar have done to Red Dead Redemption what they did with GTAIV

A great, well made game in terms of being a technical marvel but in the process has lost some of the fun factor the previous game had, a case of where being too realistic has made things more inconvenient when trying to do something...the weapons not sticking while getting off your horse, hunting feeling more like a chore in terms of taking them back to camp, the long, tedious animations whether it's animals or looting bodies and even the heavy, clunky controls of the main character.

I mean be honest guys if the game for example was EXACTLY the same but the weapon wheel housed all the guns you collected in the game, would that ruin the game for you and knock scores off journalists reviews? God no, nothing would have changed so who are they trying to impress?

[BlueBlue]

In my opinion, an all-weapons wheel would have downgraded that
being-overpowered experience when dealing with lawmen, or enemies of any kind. (which I enjoy, as it gives a rewarding feeling when you are able to overpower them).

[DarkVoyager]

I disagree with the article. RDR2 is the best looking open world game ever made. Horizon: Zero Dawn coming in at a close second.

[MrVux000]

That is what overhyping things does to game experience.

That is why i tried ignoring the over-the-top quotes from numerous reviewers and some fanboys/fans.
To mention some:

"With Red Dead Redemption 2 Rockstar Games has set the bar so high that other games of this nature seem infinitesimally lesser because of its existence."
"'Red Dead Redemption 2' is unrivaled in design, gameplay, and storytelling."

^ With scores of 9s and 10s all over the board, while still criticizing the very same elements they praised in those very same quotes (namely gameplay and narrative).

And as such, ignoring those hyped up reviews, im having a much pleasant experience while clocking somewhere around 45 hours in the game. It's a really well done cowboy-simulator i always wanted, and even tho it may not win a GOTY 2018 in my book it will still go hand-in-hand with the rest of the masterpieces in my personal list.

[rainslacker]

Some of the problem comes because some people want it to be so amazing. So any criticism is seen as someone saying the game is bad.

I could go on at length about what the game does exceptionally well. About the amazing technical achievements in the game. I could even say what parts of the interactivity and game play they got right.

But at the same time, I take issue where people ignore actual problems, or more so when reviews state that there are problems, then ignore them because they're so enamored with other things as I feel that is a disservice to the readers. And what makes it worse, is that other games that do the same thing will get raked to the coals because the dev may not have spent as much time on building those enamoring things.

How many articles did we see about Spider-Man doing nothing new in terms of open world games? Then this game, which does a bunch of new things, but still has the poor controls of a R* game, coupled with all those new things being horrendously repetitive and "not fun" gets praise upon praise for the innovation. But in the end, Spider-Man was fun from start to finish, although it had it's frustrating tasks as well.

Spider-Man didn't force you to slow down to appreciate the world, it made you WANT to slow down and enjoy the world. That is a big difference in the two games, and I think is a better thing to try and achieve than shoving one's technical prowess in the players faces. Go look at all the beautiful games we've seen over the years. What's the biggest thing you hear? That people just had to stop and appreciate it. R* could have achieved that without forcing people to do so.

[galmi]

" So any criticism is seen as someone saying the game is bad."

Wasnt the same thing said for anyone who criticized either god of war or spiderman on this forum?

[Strafe]

Yes galmi, and you won't speak of it.

[Hardiman]

That's what gets me with most of the gaming media when it comes to reviews. It seems some companies, publishers and devs get passes while others get drug through the mud.

It really makes it hard to take them seriously! Your spot on with Spider-Man though. The "innovative" gripe really pisses me off because fun should be the main peramter. Why else do we continue this expensive hobby? I do it to have fun playing as characters and experience situations I wouldn't otherwise.

I'm not saying innovation is bad, far from it but people picking and choosing when innovation is important is bullshit!

[rainslacker]

@galmi.

Yeah, it happens with any number of games. In fact, I'd say any high profile exclusive is probably inflicted with this same problem.

I think though that saying that because it happens elsewhere, it's OK here, is the wrong tact, and the fact that reviews are far from consistent, or this lack of negativity being acceptable when it suits someone's needs with irrelevant reasonings on why its OK for the reviewer to fail, has to stop, and others have felt the same way through the years.

@Hardi

People just have too short of an attention span to remember when these reviewers say something completely different in another review. Plus, too much defense of a review because it's from another writer at the publication....as if editorial standards aren't a thing to consider.

I won't say that there is a reviewer out there who is 100% consistent, but i've found the ones that actually are known are typically consistent either with heavy bias, or fairly open minded, and the ones that are open minded tend to really only become well known if they are really good at explaining their reviews, and don't just talk up a game for no reason. Angry Joe for instance is probably one of the best reviewers out there, because he's consistent, and explains very well, so I can at least respect his opinion, even if I don't agree with his assessment.

But in the case of this game, when a review itself says there is a actual serious problem with the game play, then acts like the other stuff can make up for it, then slaps a 10 on it...or the review reads heavily like a 10, it makes one wonder if these people are really worthy of being called a reviewer.

[antz1104]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion ,even a bad one..

[MrVux000]

There is no such thing as right or wrong / good or bad opinion. Opinion is is just an opinion, that you may agree or disagree upon.

[antz1104]

To say there's no bad opinions is just idiotic. There are plenty of ideas in this world that are just wrong. For example I don think your opinion makes any sense.

[nibblo]

It better win game of the year, nothing else comes close.

[MrVux000]

Not to me unfortunately.

[salmonade]

There is no way in hell Red Dead 2 is game of the year. No way. I'm enjoying it, but no way.

[mad-dog]

Good article. And i agree. But it's still a very addictive and amazing game.

[contrust]

Interesting opinion, however, I think that the game will gain popularity

[T2X]

Well, I agree and disagree. It's exactly what I thought it would be. I like it, and am not even a huge western buff. This is what happens when people expect ridiculous things. R* Makes amazing games, but what the hell were some expecting? A life altering experience? It's a cowboy game. Great story, certainly enough content, and online isn't even hatched yet. I think some need to lower their expectations to a reasonable level. Or find other ways to enrich their lives.

[Realms]

It took them 8 years nearly a decade that's double the development cycle of most other games so yeah people had high expectations, the problem is that realism get's in the way of the fun aspects of the game. I have played most of the huge AAA RPG games this generation the RDR2 does seem purposefully slowed down from how you move to leveling up, to game mechanics it's not one particular thing. It is like they spent so much time making it as realistic as possible yet forgot to take into account how much fun it was going to be. It shouldn't feel like a chore trying to figure out how systems in the game work the whole hunting thing could be way more enjoyable had they not been so anal about specifics.

[wwinterj]

" the problem is that realism get's in the way of the fun aspects of the game"
For some sure, for others not so much. Personally I enjoy the realism for the most part. The game certainly has flaws(some clunky movement going on) but overall the realism adds to my immersion. This is the first R* game I actually spend my time roleplaying in too.

[Realms]

By realism I meant, the hunting or taking care of your horse even the chores sometimes they feel tedious and at times become cumbersome. Do they add to the immersion yes but they could have been incorporated a lot better the whole hunting aspect isn't fun to me other games have done a way better job with similar mechanics. Overall I'm enjoying the game but it certainly has it's flaws. RDR2 is a very polished and ambitious game and deserves the praise it's gotten but it isn't perfect.

[salmonade]

Let's all be honest here. The animations for skinning and searching in cupboards and opening drawers and picking up individual objects look amazing and are beautiful asf.

BUT 99% of people, if given the choice, would turn off these slow beautiful animations, just to try and speed things up a bit.

I kill 6 Aligators, but can only collect 1 skin? Why can't I tie them all on a rope and drag them to my destination? Or even better... put them in a bottomless sack lol.

Realism can make things boring and tedious.

[Dfooster]

Some good points. I think the title of the article could have been better suited to the content of the article because it's not a disappointing game it just emphasises an illusion of reality of choice that isn't quite there yet. I really liked the comparison with an animatronics show which it can feel like, however the things not in the game stand out more because of how realistic other elements of the game are.

Maybe in 10 years time these games will be more like Westworld, we are not there yet but red dead 2 is definitely a step towards that goal for sure and for that it should be applauded.

[UltraNova]

Spot on about the title vs the actual article.

[doggo84]

Completely disagree. Maybe to you it is..
But to me RDR 2 is a masterclass. If you don't like it don't buy it, but there is no way in hell anyone can say this game doesn't ooze quality, well at least no one can tell me that. I can't really see any game that hasreleased this year compete with RDR 2 for GOTY except God of war....

I can at least appreciate the technical achievement of RDR 2. Over and above that I'm finding the story engaging, missions are fun, Characters are diverse, the gameplay system especially dead eye is incredibly fun, not to mention the open world itself is dynamic and full of things to do and explore. Rockstar nailed it.

[doggo84]

Lol, 13 disagrees. Name one game released this year that is on the same level, I'm waiting.

That's right, you can't because there isn't.

[MrVux000]

"Lol, 13 disagrees. Name one game released this year that is on the same level, I'm waiting. "
You pretty much answered that question yourself in your post mate. God of war.

And the reason why people disagreed with you is because of your somewhat arrogant and aggressive reply to an article that mostly praised the game.

[Elda]

I'm playing RDR2 now but I must say GOW blew me away in the first 15 mins that I just wanted to keep playing & playing because of how the game pulled me in far as story,graphics & gameplay,I'm not getting that vibe at all playing RDR2 I'm playing to see where the hype is including the fact that a friend bought the game for me,don't get me wrong the game is not bad but it's definitely not blowing me away & hyped.

[-Foxtrot]

Maybe people are disagreeing because you are doing the typical "I disagree with people saying it's overrated or criticising the game in general so I'm going to resort to the same old don't like it don't buy it" counter point

People can criticise something and still like the game. I have a long list of issues with this game but it doesn't mean I think it's shit, terrible or a badly made game. I'm enjoying it, I just don't think it's that great it was made out to be and shows how journalists pussyfoot around big named studios like Rockstar.

[dragonrage00]

Maybe the disagrees come from the fact you are being arrogant yet completely missed the point of the article. Nowhere it said the game was bad. No one is questioning the effort and technical archievement. The point here is "realism" x fun, and that having more scripted events might not be the proper way games should attempt immersion going forward

[Dragonscale]

No you're correct, GoW is on a higher level tbh.

[steven83r]

@ Elda Well GOW may be an amazing game but you can't compare the 2. RDR2 would have to be compared to something like The Witcher 3 or Skyrim. Forza Horizon 4 is amazing but i can't compare it to RDR2. When i think of games in the same style of gameplay as RDR2 nothing really is as impressive. It's the little things that wow you.

[Hardiman]

God of War! I'm about 45 hours in Red Dead 2 and it's fun but my jaw hasn't been on the floor near as much as it was in GOW! I had chills at some points through out that first play through.

I think you got so many disagrees because you kinda came off as "douchey"

[salmonade]

Check your disagrees now ya bum. Too much realism is boring and tedious. The animations for skinning an animal are beautiful.... but after 20 times, i just want to turn them off. It's too slow and boring. Great game, but God Of War kicks the crap out of it and will win game if the year

[rainslacker]

No one has really said the game doesn't ooze quality. They're saying that the game mechanics which involve game play and the things you can do in the game, don't live up to the expectations.

I agree there are many positives about this game which are well worth applauding. But I'd say that the game play mechanics, and general mechanical design of one's interaction with the world, comes up short.

The game will surely receive plenty GOTY awards, and probably be nominated by every single publication out there. But the question is....does it deserve it? Even some of the sites which I feel are going to give it GOTY, openly state in their reviews that the game play just isn't fun, then slap a 10 on it because it's so pretty and has so much to do....never mind that what you have to do is slowing you down whether you like it or not, and you'll spend a lot of time just waiting to do things you may prefer doing.

"Completely disagree. Maybe to you it is.. "

Welcome to the concept of what we call an opinion.

If you can't see why people can say this game doesn't ooze quality, perhaps its time you read their comments to understand what they're trying to say, because most are explaining why they think the game comes up short.

I can appreciate the technical acehivements of many games, but that doesn't mean that the game is fun.

A good example would be The Order 1886. Game was a technical masterpiece of graphics when it released. Game play was even quite good, despite some naysayers who said it sucked. It had some flaws like lack of enemy variety, and the AI being off at times, and of course the other flaws like it feeling incomplete. Many could appreciate the graphical achievement of the game...many appreciate it's really good story....and still others actually appreciate it's solid game play. But appreciating one, or even all of those things, doesn't mean I or others feel it is such a great game that we just can't see why people don't like it, or something about it.

[djsilke45]

I'm waiting for a price drop. The game visually looks great, but I'm not seeing anything new pushing me to get it right now.

[jbrock11]

It's a disappointment for people who have/had unrealistic expectations for what games are capable of in 2018. Back in the real world though Red Dead 2 is probably the best game released in the past 10+ years. To me it's a throwback to when these big gaming companies actually seemed like they wanted to make a great game instead of "How can we make the most money?". Kudos Rockstar, hopefully these other companies will follow your example.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

There’s plenty of other studios that make great games that aren’t worried about how much money they can make

[jbrock11]

I'm talking about major studios. Studios that have the budget to actually create something like Red Dead. There are a few of them out there, not many though.

[Jon_Targaryen]

"plenty" you say... Name me at least 5. I can think of only one, and that CDPR.

[MrVux000]

@Jon_Targaryen
Naughty Dog, Kojima Productions, From Software, Nintendo, CD Projekt Red, Sony Santa Monica, Insomniac Games.From Software...

[Dark_Knightmare2]

@john_targaryen dude down below took care of it for me but I’ll name a few more like media molecule,Sony japan,guerilla games,sucker punch and with the ones dude down below named that’s just Sony’s ridiculous first party stable of developers.

[steven83r]

You said all those companies don't care about how much money they make, but last i checked it's a business first. Also Nintendo? Really? Maybe that's why they aren't doing price drops on the Switch...All that money they don't care about.

[Dragonscale]

Whoa, best game for 10+ years? Really? lol.

[P_Bomb]

10+ years? That’s all of this gen and all of last gen. No. Just no. I’ve played a lot of great games since the last RDR. It doesn’t win just by showing up. Bought it day one and haven’t touched it since. I’ll saddle up again tonight. Mostly because I’m afraid if I don’t, i’ll forget the 2-4 things every damn button does.

[jbrock11]

There are games that I like better but if you look at it objectively, what game/games stacks up to Red Dead on all levels ( story, graphics, sound, scale, attention to detail, etc. ) ?

[salmonade]

No. No it's not. I'm over 40 hours in. And too much realism can be boring and tedious and slow as hell. The game is amazing, but it's not the second coming. It should NOT win game of the year

[cfc83]

Loving the game so far. God knows what some people were expecting.

[ClayRules2012]

So glad your loving the game.

I know game journalists definitely over hype games from time to time. I personally understand many not liking how you have to take care of your guns or having to feed your horse etc... that stuff in no way bothers me personally. The controls took some getting used too. But I don’t find them too clunky like some. But I have no issues with people expressing their opinions. I do wonder what some were expecting tho. But again, game journalists can bring about crazy expectations for readers.

[cfc83]

I agree with all you said. I'm old enough to not do hype. I loved the first red dead, and to me this is a wonderful prequel on so many levels. This extends the world incredibly well, but as you state, all the extra nuts and bolts aren't to all peoples taste.

[Whatever234]

Fun :)

[Fishy Fingers]

Unrealistic expectations will do that.

[Sunny_D]

I mean the controls are wonky. You can have a “certain” expectation of not having to fight with the controller.

[Fishy Fingers]

True.

But I’m actually posting based on the content of the article, not an off shoot opinion not covered.

“And I’m not talking about better controls”

[milohighclub]

You never played a rockstar game?
Honestly though, the controls are not that bad at all and after you put hours in you get used to it and don't even notice them anymore.

[Hungryalpaca]

They’re wonky until you get used to it. It doesn’t control like every other game. That doesn’t make the controls bad.

[DrumBeat]

I really like the game, but it's easy for anyone with even a modicum of intelligence to appreciate his arguments.

[Inzo]

A good article but the header is somewhat misleading. That being said that while I am enjoying the game it isnt the game changer the so called journalist made it out to be. It is what it is.

[GamingSinceForever]

The game is what I thought it was with the surprise RPG elements. However, the controls are terrible.

[Harkins1721]

So is this article

[Jls1]

Yeah Im hearing the controls are worse than Gta5.

[milohighclub]

Yeah that's not true at all. The controls are the best rockstar have implemented. People just need something to complain about and tbh i bet the majority of people who are haven't even played it. They just read about it.

[doggo84]

I struggled with the controls initially. Now it is second nature, and I'm loving every second of this masterpiece.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Dude I’m really enjoying the game but the controls are pretty bad and the combat is mediocre.

[Elda]

I'm playing it & the controls are not perfect.

[milohighclub]

The controls aren't the best compared to some games but they're no where near as bad as people say. The aiming needs tweaking in the settings but i really don't even notice it now.
They're definitely not worse than GTA V.
The hand to hand combat reminds me of Uncharted 3..which isn't great but certainly not enough to put me off a game this good.

The game just gets better and better the deeper i get. I've spent the majority of the game just exploring and picking up random quest, helping strangers, robbing houses, hunting and getting into trouble.
In fact I've probably spent 60/70% of my time playing exploring seeing what i can find.

Some of the stuff you come across is mad.

Anyone found the eerie house that glows under the northern lights? There's a riddle but i can't figure out what to do in there. I know there has to be something...

[steven83r]

The game is amazing. The attention to detail, the environment and the little things make it great. Can you name anything that is leaps and bounds over RDR2? And explain why. If you're gonna hold RDR2 to such standards that it needs to change gaming then the same has to be said about all games. If this game is meh to you I feel bad for you. You must be a FPS gamer.

[P_Bomb]

But RDR2 can be played as a FPS. It literally has a FPS camera and control scheme. Maybe not the best diss.

[Whatever234]

Fun :) this is not a 97% average game,more like 85% average.Don't understand why all this gaming sites giving such high scores?

[THC CELL]

The attention to detail was amazing but so was uncharted 4 if not better and that is amazing.
I think gfx are OK but detail I love most about game story is meh.

The last of us detail will blow us away
Yes All 3rd person view differnt games

[chiefJohn117]

Gtfoh.

[steven83r]

I loved Uncharted 4 and would stop and look at the amazing detail and scenery but they are 2 different types of detail. With RDR2 it's more of a interactive level of detail.

[Artemidorus]

Gun controls are sloppy.

[FGHFGHFGH]

try turning acceleration down

[Artemidorus]

I did and it's working better thanks.

[Hungryalpaca]

If they’re so sloppy why do I almost never miss?

[Artemidorus]

It's called auto aim, I perfer using my own methods.

[tigertron]

RD2 is a great game so far. I'm only on chapter 2, but I do agree with the comments, the controls are sloppy and far too weighty. I think R* should have paid more attention to the gameplay mechanics, rather than features that don't add a great deal to the game i.e. brushing your horse and bonding with it, constantly having to shave if you don't want a beard, contributing food and money to your gang, etc.

[AK91]

HAHAHAHAHAHA

[DerekFlint007]

I have gone from loathing this game with a passion, to absolutely loving it and then back to currently loathing it again.

As others, have more eloquently than I, pointed out, the controls are a frustrating and cumbersome abomination. The game, for me, has now become a tedious, fetch quest chore. Never in my gaming life, have I actually had to actively pause a game on more than one occasion, just to find out, by going onto the Internet, how to access various sub menus, objects or objectives.

Please don't get me started on the fun sapping health/horse core micro management system bull$h!t. The reviewers have gone way overboard heaping this title with lavish praise, while neglecting to mark it down for an antiquated melee/combat system and god awful convoluted control system where picking up an item can involve numerous button prompts and menus.

In my opinion, it's a disjointed mess, as while I'm playing it, I can go from saying to myself 'this is absolutely incredible, best game ever!' and then a minute or so later, after I have pressed the wrong buttons for the 100th time, to saying, 'this game is an overrated pile of $h!te, that looks like a smeared blur fest on my Pro 4k setup.

My current score, for all it's faults is 8.5.

[Nate47]

I honestly have never had any issues with horse cores or my own. I've once and a while brush my horse etc just because I love the immersion and interaction. The core draining has never affected me whatsoever. Not sure why it's a big problem for some people

[DerekFlint007]

To me Nate, it's just a lot of extra needless fudge to contend with, when i'd rather be progressing, or just having fun with the game. Instead, I find myself constantly checking those bloody gauges on the minimap with stamina/health/dead eye, rather than take in the sumptuous majesty of the world that Rockstar have crafted. Like you, I enjoy all the extra little details of brushing my steed. My biggest gripe is with the controls. It's a real pest at times, when an object becomes highlighted in white for you to interact with, only for it to deactivate if you move the smallest of fractions.

I really hope they patch in the option to disable those rpg elements if you so wish. I have just read in another article that the team are looking into the blur issues on Pro.

[salmonade]

I'm just tired of the slow skinning animations. I want to turn off so many 'realistic' animations just to speed up this whole tedious process.

I think too much realism makes a game kind of boring and tedious.

[SinisterKieran]

hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa as if. it does soooo much to shake it up.
more then any other game to come out this year.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Listen I’m really enjoying the game but enough with this overblown hyperbole what's it doing that other games haven’t? It added superfluous survival elements from a million survival games that came before it hell even previous rockstar games that serve no purpose but to irritate and be a nuisance just so they can say “realism guys”,the controls are super sloppy and janky and the combat is mediocre and only tolerable when you use dead eye because the aiming is horrible,the Npc interactions are awesome but vampyr while having a smaller open world allowed you to have way more in depth conversations with every npc in the game while letting you find clues to learn more about their history before deciding to kill them or not. The game is really good easily an 8.5 or 9 but it’s not some amazing thing we’ve never seen before that’s going to change gaming forever.

[rainslacker]

Care to expand and say how it's done that?

[Jon_Targaryen]

Click bait... This game is awesome. Worth every penny.

[Hungryalpaca]

Look at all those salty disagrees.

[Chaosdreams]

Great read.

"Both are intricate cuckoo clocks with authored stories, but that’s not why people go to the West World theme park. They go to it because they can affect it. The robot characters that make up the attraction have deep systems that respond and react to the decisions of the player characters. That enables unique experiences to emerge out of the authored stories.

Red Dead Redemption 2 doesn’t have that."

And a fantastic point.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Funny that when Witchwr 3 had real time beard growing it was awesome and no one batred an eye.. Here people actually complain about it... Damn hypocrites.

[MrVux000]

Who is complaining about beard growth?
So far i have only seen people complaining that the game can feel slow chore sometimes, gameplay being clunky and narrative falling short at some points.

If anything, the immersion parts of the games like the beard-growth has been receiving nothing but praise.

[chris235]

well, captain obvious. that rdr2 would be only more of the same was clear since they announced it first. it didn‘t need a rocket scientist to figure this one out. fanboys were quick to insult everyone who pointed this out. but did this quite obvious statement really need a blog post in a news portal? what‘s next? something like „i clicked on a game and it startet to run“? really...

[Father__Merrin]

theres no way this is a 10/10 game no way. it looks nice and has lots of detail with tons to do but it controls like a tank

[agent13]

RDR2 exceeded all my expectations i have only played about 10% of the game but damn it is amazing. i had never experienced so much detail and debt in a video game like rdr2 it's world is huge it's story is interesting and serious (despite gta v) and you don't feel time passing because you feel you are really part of the game's world. what else do you want from an open world game?

[Whatever234]

Actuall fun:)

[Sirk7x]

I feel like a good amount of what is wrong with the game (it's a very good game, don't get me wrong), is the setting of the game itself. Westerns by nature are pretty scarce and slow moving. It's cool to think about, but from a design standpoint, you're kind of limited to what is possible while playing. Also, if the genre itself doesn't interest you, how can the story really pull you in? Some of the elements that made GTA V great were the driving, and constant satire through radio stations. Having stimultion, songs to choose from, choice of vehicles, there was always something you could choose to do at any time in the game. Red Dead has landscapes and atmosphere. I'm betting on Cyberpunk moving the industry forward moreso than RDR2.

[TheOtherMoon]

The author eventually sums up the greatest issue gamers are facing with RDR2 and gaming in-general: "My disappointment with Red Dead Redemption 2 has everything to do with my expectations. I thought Rockstar was going to define the future of games with this, and I don’t think it did." When you examine the authors thoughts and criticisms, you come to realize that their gripes aren't with the game, but instead with the author them-self. They would be better off titling the article "Red Dead Redemption Disappointed Me." The title above is nothing more than a click-grab.

Consider some of their issues, for example the searching of drawers/cabinets. Searching for items "is a painfully laborious process, but worse — it’s not how I look through drawers." and compare their gripe to their comparison " I think that’s why something like Assassin’s Creed: Odyssey doesn’t even try to animate a lot of those kinds of actions." Nothing like using a personal opinion to back up a personal opinion... What if being slow and deliberate is apart of Arthur Morgans character? -- We are living a portion of Arthur Morgans life. Since we are using personal opinion, I believe Ubisoft didn't include searching animation because they did not want to take the time to make them. Character dialogue was another component of the game being criticized.

Communicating with characters is a rather simple system where "you can either choose to greet a person, antagonize them, or shoot them. I like this system in theory, but it doesn’t really give you that many more options for how to approach the world." Eventually, RPGs boil down to simple choices, no matter how complex the event is nor its outcome -- this is not mutually exclusive to Red Redemption nor Rockstar Games. Speaking of outcomes and choices ... "It’s impossible to ignore the things you can’t do in a game where you can do so many things." This statement could be used to describe a lot of games... Its what gamers do when they are given a sandbox, can I: climb this, shoot this, walk in here, break this, kill him/her, etc. etc. We push the limits of a particular game, and we find its limits...again a statement made that is not mutually exclusive to Red Dead nor Rockstar.

There are a few more point made to bring up, and there is no reason to continue to demonstrate that the authors greatest issues are with their own expectations. Items not being picked up they way the individual gamer picks up items, a simple system for communication, and figuring out what can and cannot be done are not strong enough issues to call Red Dead Redemption a disappointment, not in the way the title suggests. The issues brought up have to do with the individual their experience(s) playing the game, making their own experience disappointing.

Rockstar made a beautiful world, is it perfect? No. Furthermore, we could all sit her and write about at least one issue we have with the game, and it is still a wonderful world to explore with beautiful characters to listen to and experience. The title is a click-grab, and the author needs to check their expectations at the saloon doors.

[Dfooster]

I feel like this game is the uncanny valley of physics and interactions that the gaming world has been trying to overcome with graphics. Yes it's a great looking game but because of that the limitations stand out more than a game that's generally poorer overall. The closer you get to total immersion the more the flaws stand out

[Chumdiddy]

It's good but definitely not a 100/100 game. I don't think any are but I'm sure you know what I mean.

My friend grabbed his copy and we played it that night. I was stunned by both how beautiful it was and how bored I was. It lacks a bit of what makes a fun game a fun game. It's hard to explain but I'm no longer grabbing my own copy for a while. When it hits $20 I'll grab it.

It's an 8/10 game for me. Good! It's not a bad game by any means. It lives up to the hype and more in so many ways but fails to be fun in very specific, detrimental ways.

[Elda]

I didn't buy the first RDR because I had no interest & my bestie decided to buy 2 copies of RDR2 & gave me one. I'm almost at the end of chapter one & I must say I'm not blown away at the game what so ever,so far it's just ok far as graphics,gameplay & story. I really think this game is extremely over hyped something fanatics tend to do when it comes to R* games though I do hope in the next chapter it starts feeling more like a game instead of a chore. Due to the fact I'm currently playing other games more than likely I'll be taking my sweet time playing this game well into the next year hoping further on it'll get me hyped.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. I happen to think its a great game.

[TheDriz]

(I'm only about 6 hours in and am giving the game a real chance. This is just my initial assessment and I'm willing to change my mind) Personally, I wouldn't say the game is a disappointment but it isn't the game I want.

I do not like the controls but I expected that a little as the first game didn't have great controls either(though I don't remember them being this bad). The game feel incredibly padded with useless content, which I would have love 8 years ago when I had a lot of time on my hand but as an alleged adult, I don't want to go to the store and buy coffee and do my hair. That is all real life stuff and I want to play a game not real life. A lot of the mechanics in this game have been done in other games for years yet this one gets all the praise. There is a lot of travel..... a lot and its boring. The story is just ok so far but pretty uninspiring. I wouldn't mind if the entire gang died on that mountain. It's your typical rockstar game and I gonna put this con on me because why wouldn't it be.

I do like the characters. I either love or hate them and I think that's a sign of good writing. The graphics are very pretty and the world feels very alive even with people floating off front porches constantly. I've had the game for 4 days now and I don't find myself wanting to play it everyday and that's kind of an issue.

Bottom line is, SO FAR, I find the game to be incredibly boring. Rockstar made a beautiful piece of art but forgot to make a fun game while doing so. All of this is opinion and I'm hoping my mind changes the more I play. I want to like this. I loved the first game especially when John got to Mexico. That part of the game is so awesome. I miss the desert so far. Peace bitches.

[Elda]

Wow!! That's a shame. I'm starting to feel that's the way this game is heading as well but I'm definitely going to give it some time & see if it starts to get more interesting & fun knowing it supposed to be a very ambitious game.I'm playing other games too so I know I probably won't finish RDR2 sometime well into the next year.

[harv052]

I wouldn't know.....Still waiting for my Amazon Canada copy........unbelievable...

[GrizToof]

I am loving RDR2 right now but God of War is still my personal game of the year so far.

[Skankinruby]

Just sit down with your retarded clickbait this game is excellent, miles better than the first and rockstars best game to date. I proudly detach myself from the core players and appreciate the substance they put in that was missing in the first and made it so God awfully boring to play through. Characters aren't so horribly generic and gameplay is solid. Apparently you people wanted a pointless button masher and I applaud rockstar for cutting the generic crap that have made their games so insanely boring and repetitive. Screw GTA 5 this is the real masterpiece.

[xX1NORM1Xx]

It did disappoint me but I have to say I had very little interest in the game from the start I’ve just moved on from rockstars games I had fun with gta 5 when I played with friends but that’s about it, I understand it’s a good game and that people love it and more power to them but for me there is too many little things that bother me and they all add up to me not really enjoying the game hopefully online will be fun but I didn’t really enjoy gta online for what it was I just enjoyed messing around with my friends.

[81BX]

GOTY!

[Gunstar75]

I've not got it yet as I wasn't mad about the first game and am not a GTA fan. My friend has been banging on about it all year and he seems a bit disappointed in it. He says there is too much fiddly nonsense that isn't necessary.

I might get it once I get through my backlog

[jcole97]

Well I’m loving it to say the least.

[hennessey86]

This person plays copious amounts of Fortnite

[DrShoe]

Venturebeat, you say? I haven't read any of their articles since, before Gamergate, I don't think I'll start now.

[Majinzo]

Just like The Last of Us. Nothing but uncharted with an emotional story with zombies. At least it had good online.

[Sm00thNinja]

I think it's the best game I've played this year and possibly this gen. Oh well to each his own

[Ashunderfire86]

I have to disagree I like the game despite the slow pace gameplay. This game is truly a western simulator. Yes I admit the controls is my biggest problem with the game, but the gameplay is awesome. So good I gave this guy a headshot in this video I uploaded to youtube from my PS4:

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Yes I blew his brains out literally!

70 hours of story. I say at least play it for the storyline if you want to know the fallout between John Marston and the Dutch gang. Many gamers here have very short attention span. Some of you got use to playing so much Call Of Duty. Just wait for the multiplayer update. They will comeback for that.

[Larrysweet]

Its a master piece period... Ya all scream for realistoc then when dev hands it to you omg to real wawawawa...there is no other game on market like read dead 2 this is gotg period

[chiefJohn117]

PREACH!!! GOTG

[salmonade]

Hunting is boring and tedious. The skinning animations are beautiful, but if given the choice, 99% of people would turn them off just to speed up the whole tedious process. Including you. Too much realism is just plain boring and not really fun. Yes... I said it.

[Hungryalpaca]

Then don’t hunt....it’s optional.

Half the shit people are complaining about YOU DONT HAVE TO DO.

[chiefJohn117]

That's you're own fault not R* you had unrealistic expectations lol. It's met my expectations and then some.

[Phi39582]

I like it, 9 of 10 for me.....then again, why any of us give a crap why another person does or does not like a game is beyond me. If it is fun for you, play it.

[Starman69]

Even tho the controls are clunky as hell, this game is a masterpiece. Omd, I love it. Awesome!! To think that a game with naff gameplay ( but still very unique and playable ) still be such an absolute pleasure to witness.
This game is a remarkable achievement. Thank u rockstar

[Flewid638]

Weird article. I didn't even like the first Red Dead.

Red Dead II and Bully are the only two Rockstar games I ever really liked.

[coffeemaster]

Oh wow

[GameHead85]

This game really has bad controls? Seriously I want to know because I'm waiting for the PC version.

[Dfooster]

The more you play the more you realise the controls work fine. You just have to get over the fact this game is far more grounded and the animations take some time to play out but eventually you realise it's how real people move not in normal computer game logic like people are used to

[AllMightyFox]

Articles like this make me laugh hardest ……

Before release of every game we get article after article praising and telling the consumer to buy, buy, buy … then after each games release the following week we get THIS !!!! …

An article talking about the games flaws, or issues that many consumers have with the game they reviewed.

It's why I don't buy games when they are reviewed by websites, magazines, or any "PAID" written piece.

Games websites, magazines need to all be forced to have a label warning the content is "Sponsored" because it isn't "News" and it isn't any one persons "Personal Opinion"

[Dfooster]

Seriously this game is amazing but some people expect the second coming of Christ. It may not appeal to everyone but if you want a cowboy simulator this is as close as it gets

[ziggurcat]

I haven't played it yet because I'm finishing off AC Odyssey, but I seriously doubt that RDR2 is a disappointment.

[Hungryalpaca]

The things people are complaint about are entirely optional. The controls take getting use to. Everyone seems to want every shooter to control like COD for some reason.

[chiefJohn117]

If you don't love RDR2 something is wrong with you. The level of detail, sense of exploration and mystery. The amazing Easter eggs that lead to rewards or interesting stories. The deep level interaction you can have with npcs, random events, the sheer amount of realism and epic missions. What more could you possibly want?

[Elda]

That works for you. Because someone doesn't see eye to eye when it comes to a video game doesn't mean something is wrong with them, it's called one having a different experience or outlook on a game.Everyone you come across isn't going to feel the same way you feel about a game or anything else in life & there's absolutely nothing wrong with that fact.

[Profchaos]

Same old cycle everyone loves it on launch but complains later

[Dfooster]

At the end of the day this game will appeal to fully matured adults who may like the old western films. I can't see the younger generation connecting with this game quite as much due to the slower pace

[Strafe]

'Red Dead Redemption 2 is a disappointment'

Says someone.

'Take-Two Boasts Entertainment's Biggest Opening Weekend of All Time for Red Dead Redemption 2'

Wasn't disappointing for them.

Just goes to show you can never rely on the commenters on N4G to show the wider scale of love for a game.

[Hardiman]

I'm having fun but those are really great points and for those just seeing the headline and going on defensive mode should give it a read.

You can enjoy something but at the same time criticize it. I think most of the issues come from most of the media hyping this to the moon.

[Elda]

Absolutely!! Including the commenters hyping it up before the games release.

[Hardiman]

Yes and I usually keep my expectations tempered but in this instance a good chunk of the previews painted it as transcendent and game changing but it's best parts are typical troupes that are just really polished. It was cool searching each drawer at first but 40+ hours in not so much and the author makes a good point of the push for realism actually breaking immersion. After that shoot out I'd be trashing the place especially when it was occupied by a rival gang we just murdered so I'm sure trashing the run down shack wouldn't be in bad taste!

Again it's a fun game but it has issues and the clunkiness is what stands out the most to me. Defenders keep saying "well you should be used to bad controls because it's a R* game" which to me is insane because bad controls should not be a calling card for a company.

It's still a fun game and I'm enjoying it but it's not the best!

[Elda]

Agreed. Paying $60 or more for any AAA game with bad controls is totally uncalled for & should be fixed with a patch asap....no excuses.

[lifesanrpg]

So many people firing up the grill for their hot takes.

[FallenAngel1984]

What’s a disappointment is that Rockstar hasn’t released any other quality new games this entire generation

[TheGamez100]

Yeesh the games amazing. How standards are so damn high nowadays smh. And if you if you have too high of expectations of any game than its your own fault. I expected it to be at least as good as the previous game but what I got was a better game so im happy.

[GameGod26]

What wonky controls ?

[D3athc3ll]

LOL

This comment section.... OMW. What the fuck did you guys expect? Geeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzz... Go fucking play COD. If you don't want the slow realism, then go play an arcade game. This game has exceeded all my expectations. This game is so far the best game ever made in my books, that it would probably take GTA 6 to beat this. This is a western game, it should be slow. Oh and the Chores.... I've played like 20 hours and cleaned my weapons like once! Lol. You don't have to clean it every minute or even do camp chores... Damn I've spent only a few minutes worrying about that and yet my camp is like positive and happy. Really it is not that hard. Maybe I should make a guide to help you poor gamers have fun...

This game is the best ever created. Period. Don't agree, then go play AC or Call of Duty and enjoy the arcade games. Apart from the graphics, which is probably the best there is, and I've played GOW, Uncharted 4, Battlefield 1 etc it is about the sense of being in a living world so detailed, you sometimes forget it is a game. This game's draw distance makes other games feel old gen... Insane amount of detail in everything. One example of 30 million that was like wow: I was in a field and saw a cougar catch some whitetail or something, and was so amazed how realistic it looked and the way my horse (and I) reacted when It growled and ran towards us. Just wow. This game ain't hard to play, yea sometimes I might hit a tree with me on my horse and laugh so hard the way my horse falls to the ground with me, that my neighbors think I'm dying...

Everyone has their own opinions, but If you wana complain about this game, just know there are thousand more reasons to complain about other games.

Anyways just glad Rockstar went this way and not the arcade AC way..

[Sirk7x]

Best game ever created is not an objective statement lol. There's no such thing. And if there was, based on placements from publications that have rated the best games, that would be Ocarina of Time anyways xD
You could say that (GOAT) about a hundred games. Some people will say Tetris is, or Breath of the Wild, or Chrono Trigger. I'm glad you're enjoying the game though, that's good.

[themodern_age]

game is fantastic. but maybe I'm just getting too damn old because I am kinda annoyed by all the "realism" when it comes to how long it takes to do anything; travel, hunt, skin, the need to eat, clean horse etc...

[pyroxxx]

That is what I thought first 30 hours or so,.. because controls and movement don't click at that point(hell even inventory easy task take lots of cognition,.. but when it clicks,.. this is the best game ever,.. like since demon's souls or resi4 type of epiphany moment,.. the moments I had the last 2 hours just doing a treasures mission (basically looked it up on youtube but making that journey,...random chaos that happens,.. are some of the best moments I've ever experienced in gaming pure magic

[Firebird360]

Clickbait headline.

[william_cade]

I want to play it. In fact I got to figure out a way to buy this game.

[Lord_Sloth]

"This is still the same game it’s always made."

Idk why anybody expects Rockstar to do anything more... I never do. Idc what anybody says, I always expect the same thing game after game. GTA with some sort of different spin. I expect the same bad controls, the same annoying side characters, the same sluggish movement, for there to be at least 1 segment of the game or a handful of missions that are borderline unbearable, and for everybody and their brother's kitten to parade it about like it's the best thing since sex.

As a result, I am never disappointed.

[Mulletino]

I like it

[Jrios355]

With a title like that, of course you're gonna get clicks lol

[Tazzy]

Maybe to whoever but $725 million in 3 days says otherwise it's a great game for Xbox One and PS4 I'm sure it will hit over $1 billion by next week if it hasn't already. Everyone is entitled to their opinions some will agree some will disagree the game is getting great reviews in my opinion its not a disappointment.

[Orionsangel]

CLICK BAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Orionsangel]

The moment my horse Savior died :frowning: I had him since I started the game. We had bond. What happened was I saw what looked like a ramp as the train was passing by. I thought, hey maybe my horse can jump the train. That'll be awesome! What was I thinking? At the last minute I realized I can't jump the train lol. But then the train nicked the horse and I fell forward and well my horse he couldn't take it yo. It was too much for him. WHY!!!!!!????? lol https://www.twitch.tv/video...

[The7Reaper]

I'm liking the slow pace of things honestly it feels like it was built to be played slow and experienced instead of rushed

[feenix-5]

And there it is. Just like BOTW before it, it's the "NEW HOTNESS" for a minute but then for some inexplicable reason people en mass feel the need to dog it, say it sucks, and claim to never to have ever even been into it in the first place.

[inxine]

but isnt it hypocritical to say that about Rockstar, when other companies do the exact same?

[Legendary-Status]

Kingdom Hearts 3 is going to Rape RDR2 in Sales to me I feel like thats the most anticipated Multi-Plat to come out in the next 2 months & Resident Evil 2 Remake mark my words I think GOW will win GOTY

[Sirk7x]

Mainstream audiences are not going to be buying Kingdom Hearts. Japanese made games do not have the mass appeal that Rockstar and other big Western studios have in North American markets. Obviously some IP is still very popular here, but most games will never sell on the level of Rockstar, EA, etc. There are people that bought SpiderMan and RDR2 that are the types of gamers that only buy Madden, CoD and NBA yearly. I mean, you're going to have many guys who literally think that their masulinity depends on them NOT buying a Disney RPG lol.

[Hungryalpaca]

You’re joking right?

[PrinceVegeta]

That article is crap. It does raise valid concerns and is penned very well. But, the basic premise of the criticism is flawed. The author first builds expectations out of thin air and then judges the game on those self created expectations. There are issues sure, no game is perfect, but, this guy is comparing the game to promises R* never made. R* is always known for doing its own thing and moving the industry bar in their own style. Why this guy wants R* to become CD Project Red is beyond my understanding.

[Kosic]

It sounds like one of those games where hype got the better of it.
Too much hype and it just couldn't perform well. It's one of the reasons I skipped this game. It looked decent in the trailer. But didn't really stand out to me as something I wanted to play right now. I wait it out.