Red Dead Redemption 2 looks and plays best on Xbox One X

From Digital Foundry: "PlayStation 4 - and latterly, PS4 Pro - have taken centre-stage in Red Dead Redemption 2's pre-release marketing campaign, meaning we have a pretty decent idea of how Rockstar's latest epic presents on Sony hardware. Today, we can discuss the Xbox One versions of the game, and the key takeaway is this: if you're looking for the very best RDR2 experience, Xbox One X is the go-to platform for this game. Rockstar's stunning technological achievement runs at native 4K on the X, and also delivers the smoothest performance. Bearing in mind just how far Rockstar is pushing current-gen hardware, that's a stunning achievement."

[DarkVoyager]

“Rockstar's stunning technological achievement runs at native 4K on the X, and also delivers the smoothest performance. Bearing in mind just how far Rockstar is pushing current-gen hardware, that's a stunning achievement.”

A game of this scale running at native 4K? Rockstar are wizards.

Only downside is cutscenes where both PS4 Pro and Xbox One X struggle to run at a locked 30fps.

[christocolus]

They sure did a great job.

Digital Foundry "But really, to see this phenomenal game at its absolute best, Xbox One X is the platform of choice - and by quite a considerable margin."

[christocolus]

@Master
Well... DF did their analysis. That is what the result says.

@EonJ
Lmao xD

[Neonridr]

@Master of Unlocking - perhaps to the naked eye. Obviously these comparisons only matter if you were to say have both running side by side and at the end of the day the Pro version is still looking fantastic. But it is a considerable margin. Think about how many extra pixels the One X version is pushing over the Pro. Sure it might not make a huge difference to your eyes at the end of the day, but under the hood obviously a lot more is being done. To sit there and say it's not a considerable margin sounds like fanboyism. Just accept it and move on, it still looks great on the Pro.

[bouzebbal]

hahaha where have you been all this time?
....of course power matters, huh?

[fiveby9]

I own both an X1x and a Pro. I chose the Pro for RDR2 for the additional content. Sure the X1x is a great console hardware wise but I want to play *all* the content. So higher resolution is not enough of a reason to buy it there. If that's all you have is an XB, then I guess play it there....

[Kribwalker]

@fiveby9

So you are choosing a considerably worse performing version of the game for 30 day early access to a special horse, gun and outfit??? LOL, I’m starting to question whether you actually own both

[ssmilloy36]

Im not buying a pro.
I'm not buying a s
I'm not buying a x

[zahdab]

Tbh owning xbox one x and having rebought many games from ps4 to xbxo i fail to see the difference in many instances ... in their videos they zoom in to portion of the screen to highlight diffrences ... coz u cant notice from a distance

[MattE]

To think that what's looks like the best game of this gen looks and plays better on an Xbox Console.. Amazing..

[DrumBeat]

Agreed. Those side-by-sides really show the difference in image quality between X and Pro, and the X makes the Pro look kinda muddy, really. Native 4K on the X. Rockstar really are rock stars.

[Obscure_Observer]

Awesome news! Xbox One X is the ULTIMATE console! I never though that native 4K for Red Dead Redemption 2 running on the X was possible!

Great Job Phil Spencer and Xbox Team!

Xbox One X owners are in for a treat! :)

[darthv72]

It seems to me that those who say resolution 'doesnt' matter with this game also seem like the ones who said it 'did' with other games even before the pro and x were announced.

I remember the plethora of 1080p vs 900p comparisons a few years ago.

[MattE]

@fiveby9

Mate, the PS4 exclusive content is some clothing and a saddle

[darthv72]

I thought I read somewhere that if you have RDR for 360 on the xbo that it adds something to the RDR2 game. Course it may just have been a rumor, but you never know with Rockstar and little easter eggs.

[Skull521]

I think we all knew Xbox One X would have the far superior version, though some of us didn’t want to admit it. I’ll be playing tonight the second it is unlocked and on the most powerful console in the world, the Xbox One X, which happens to run native 4K and at a more stable frame rate. I’d love to know more but I’m waiting until I’ve conquered the game to watch this because I don’t want anything spoiled. I’m certain DF just hurt a lot of people’s feelings with this analysis today.

[Ceaser9857361]

Krib

"So you are choosing a considerably worse performing version of the game"

Totally agree with DF but Worse? Nobody said that... So stop lying.. X performs better because Better hardware doesn't mean Pro is worse.. Almost all the reviews are done on the Pro.. And the everyone praised how good its looking. Certainly it will look better on the X but Worse. Not at all..
I hear the Base Xbox runs ta game at 860p ? Is that's true than that's what you call WORSE..

[sprinterboy]

Shame only about 3% are gamers with a X?
Great job by rockstar though and kudos to all platforms wether it be ps4 base, slim, one s, Pro or X.

[starchild]

I'll be playing it on my PS4 Pro, but the XB1X version looks and runs better and is no doubt the way I would go if I had an XB1X. Still annoyed that Rockstar is not releasing it for PC. Although I'm sure they will release it later and will get some of us to double dip.

[trouble_bubble]

Guys are surprised fiveby9 would play this on PS4? profiles and comments show some of you -happily- choosing to main on 720p - 900p before Nov 7 2017. You didn’t care then. So why should he care now? What changed Nov 7 2017 that made y’all hypocrites

[Jinger]

While it certainly won't sway any ps4 user to buy and Xbox One X. It is nice to see a company that isn't shooting for parity even though Sony has Marketing and content rights. The fact that it runs in Native and still offers better performance just shows that the X is obviously the better hardware. But we already knew that. Unfortunately until MS starts pushing more 1st party software it's not going to sway heads with 3rd party games alone.

[iplay1up2]

I don't want to play on a system, that sounds like a plane taking off during demanding areas. This game is going to make the PRO run loud! The X is whisper quite.

[BenRC01]

I massively regret buying my X, if it wasn't for Forza it would be utterly irrelevant.

[rainslacker]

You know, despite people accusing me of being a rampant PS fan boy sometimes, and me sometimes accusing you of being a rampant Xbox fan boy, I actually agree with every part of your comment.

Hope everyone has fun with the game no matter where they play it, because ultimately, that is what matters.:)

[Jinger]

@Rainslacker

And honestly all the footage we saw up until now was only on the PS4 Pro and it still looks phenomenal. Either way it's going to be a stunner and a great game and I think everyone benefits from Rockstars hard work.

Edit: And really the only reason why I'm labelled an Xbox Fanboy on here is because you're either a die hard Sony fan who doesn't say anything negative about the console or its games or you're an Xbox Fanboy. There is no inbetween on here lol no one cares that I have a PS4 Pro and PSVR and my top games this gen are Spider-Man and Bloodborne. Hell, some people are convinced I don't even have a PS4 or played Spider-Man because I was criticizing the the Black Cat DLC...

[darthv72]

Same here Jinger... same here. I'm more neutral than people think but it doesnt stop them from labeling me one way or the other. I can and do enjoy both ps4 and xbo.

[rainslacker]

I've found, when it comes to non-console war stuff, like just games that aren't exclusive, or general stuff going around the industry or community, I do tend to agree with some of the accused fan boys more often than I disagree with them. I may like different games than they do, or not care as much about some things going around, but its easier to see their point of view when they aren't seemingly talking about a game through what appears to be a double standard or certain-colored glasses. Given the games I know a lot of people seem to like and talk up, I can't see why they often have such harsh things to say about games on other systems they don't have a preference for when those games are exclusive.

That kind of things tends to make people look like fan boys, because they seem to place an unbalanced criteria on what they like about those games. Kind of like the opposite of a free pass I guess. Personally, I actually think MS generally makes good games, but not all their games are good, so I just say what I think, and I get accused as a fan boy when I say bad things about games which I actually think aren't worth much praise.

Anyhow, I'm impressed with what R* has achieved based on what I've read in the comment section so far. I still want to read the article, but it appears after I got home, that Eurogamer is down. Part of me hopes it's not some DDoS attack because some people are too sensitive. I always think it sucks when crap like that happens and distracts from actual achievements from the developers who deserve praise.

[andibandit]

Im actually contemplating buying a xb1x for this.

Only have a standard ps4 atm.

[Orionsangel]

Most have standard consoles though and it runs 1080p on PS4. While it runs 864p on Xbox One. The clear choice is Intellivision.

[DarkVoyager]

Xbox has not only has a massive resolution advantage...

Xbox 1X - 8,294,400 pixels
PS4 Pro - 4,147,200 pixels

But it also performs better than PS4 Pro.

I’m torn if I should just cancel my PS4 Pro bundle and instead get an Xbox One X with RDR2. This is too big of a difference to ignore. Especially on what is likely the best game of this generation.

[MagUk]

I think that last part of your comment should read.

Only downside is one cutscenes where both PS4 Pro and Xbox One X struggle to run at a locked 30fps.

[warriorcase]

They said certain cutscenes. He mentions that he only saw around 4 dips in the entire game

[Nitrowolf2]

No surprise there tbh, it should be expected with the better hardware. I’m more so surprised by the fact that it hits 4K natively.

I’m still gonna enjoy this on my ps4 pro and as is everybody else for whatever console is their preference.

I think the big take with this is just how well rockstar has done with using what’s resources are at their disposal. Overall, it sounds like it’s gonna be a solid experience across the bored

[Master of Unlocking]

I'm sure it's going to be a solid experience across the bored yes, even gamers bored out of their mind will find that game will stir up their interest ;-)

[galmi]

lol

[Jinger]

Indeed! Considering all the footage we have seen has all been PS4 PRO the game looks fantastic on it. Just give it up to Rockstar for creating such a good looking game at this scale. They truly are coding wizards.

[King_Noctis]

I will still enjoy this to the max on my OG PS4. But I’m at the same time jealous those who own an X1X.

[raWfodog]

Yeah of course if I had an XB1X, I'd definitely be picking up this game for that system but I know I will still enjoy it on my Pro. The biggest problem for me is going to be trying to find time to play this gem. Wife, kids, and work are being selfish with my time :)

[MoonConquistador]

There's always sick days, divorce and adoption. Options my man lol

[frostypants]

What's the over-under on them remastering this for PS5/Xbox [Whatever they call it]? Not that I'll wait.

[Nitrowolf2]

Ps5 and x2 will prob be back cap, so none or they may release a texture update date later for them

[PrinceOfAnger]

Of course it will be better on more powerful system
12 gb ram
6 teraflops

It's a beast

[ZeroX9876]

love how you get disagrees on this one. I always expect better performance when you need to pay more for the hardware. The other way around wouldn't make any sense!

[Lighter9]

I disagreed because he said beast.

[xRacer74x]

@Lighter9, you disagreed because he said something positive about the Xbox.

[MoshA]

Of course, you paid more lmao. We didn't pay more for the base PS4

[BrettAwesome]

What a lame ass user nam3

[Nyxus]

Sadly I only have a base Xbox One, so I'll be getting this game on PS4.

[I_am_Batman]

Base PS4 version also has framerate issues but at least it runs at 1080p. Hopefully Rockstar can improve the framerate post launch.

[Nyxus]

Yeah I guess it'll have to do.

[FishPoPs]

"Sadly I only have a base Xbox One, so I'll be getting this game on PS4."

so you have a PS4 then?

[mrmikew2018]

Oh, I thought you just had a 'Xbox One', it was a honest question.

[Nyxus]

No problem, I usually buy every console on day one (I also have a Switch).

[BrettAwesome]

On day one? Every console? FUCK, that's awesome! You must be so rich, I bet you shit 100 dollar bills

...oh...except of course the One X...
Constipation is a bitch

[WilliamSheridan]

I buy every console day one also since the Atari Jaguar... Doesn't make us rich, just dedicated gamers

[darthv72]

I have both base platforms but i will get it on the xbo because at some point I plan to get the upgraded units and in doing so the game will already be there for the x.

[Nyxus]

Understandable. I'm not planning on getting any mid-gen upgrade consoles, I'll just wait for next-gen when it comes to upgrading.

[shiva1]

Sadly you dont have xbox one x or you would have got it for that.

[christocolus]

Great Job Rockstar. Good to see the X hardware being pushed really hard. Amazing.

[Kribwalker]

I for one can’t wait to let this game rip on my OneX. I didn’t think Native 4k was possible with this game on even the X so to see that is amazing. MS hardware division has become a premier division with the Surface Pros and the Xbox OneX, i’m excited to see what they have coming next.

I’m just happy Rockstar didn’t hold back the OneX version due to marketing deals with Sony like some people were implying might be the case.

14hrs and my game is live 😎

[Lime123]

What about poor Xbox One S owners which 80% of Xbox One oners have?

[Kribwalker]

I don’t know. i paid a premium and get to experience the definitive version of Red Dead Redemption 2. Do you?

[darthv72]

@lime, what about us? Are you thinking that just because we don't have an X that we are not going to have a great experience with this game?

It is still a visually striking game. AND... there is always the potential for some of us to upgrade to the X and play the game in even better fidelity.

and i will go one further as i only have the base model. Not even an S owner here but I'm still going to enjoy it.

[P_Bomb]

I don’t even have a 4KTV. Should it matter?

All these premium/definitive buzzwords are getting to be a bit cringe. Doubly so with ppl who never cared enough about RDR to even beat the first game. There’s more to games than resolution.

I can’t afford a $2000 4K set atm, no, but luckily I don’t need one to pass 1%

[Gaming4Life1981]

Yea im shocked this game runs at native 4k and I cant wait to play it. My bday is tomorrow and I'm clearly calling out and using sick time lol, I know that's bad but hey I need to play red dead.

[jagermaster619]

@Lime123
Who cares about people who have the s! Honestly why do people even say stupid stuff like that? If you want the premium graphics then buy the premium hardware it's just that simple!

[Sm00thNinja]

It is absolutely INSANE THAT PEOPLE ARE DOWNSCALING THIS LEVEL OF TECHNOLOGICAL ACHIEVEMENT!!! ROCKSTAR ARE TRULY WIZARDS AND this really does demonstrate the power of the Xbox One X! An open world gorgeous native 4k game to all those that said it could not be done.

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

The cringe I had when I imagined you typing this with your caps lock on. LOL

[Sm00thNinja]

I cringed thinking of you thinking about me Brave Loser 😩

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Well okay then..

[BrettAwesome]

Sm00thNinja is a wanker

[Sm00thNinja]

I love that I got under your skin so much Brett you've resorted to calling me British insults 😂😂😂

[81BX]

Yeah. That's what happens when meat heads are more concerned with propping up a system. Instead of ps4 vs xbox this should be a cheering party for rockstar. All this crap about, things only being possible because of one or the other console is BS. Just applaud RS

[gangsta_red]

It does actually. These guys went above and beyond on the front line. Good to see that they did everything possible to take advantage of each of the mid gen consoles and didn't gimp one for the sake of parity.

[ClayRules2012]

Awesome!

I'll be playing on my base PS4. All gamers ( regardless of what console you prefer to play on) will all experience a stunning looking game.

[galmi]

and that is what matters the most

[ClayRules2012]

Indeed, my friend.

[BrettAwesome]

...if you think 866p is stunning

[ziratul]

Being both PS and XBOX fan, I am glad that XBOX is catching on anything... we don't wanna loose competition.

[BrettAwesome]

You already did

[ziratul]

I am playing on PS4 Pro, I am not a fanboy.... it's sad to see XBOX loosing ground... but fanboys are happy for it... don't know why

[Vasto]

My Xbox One X is ready!

XOXOXO

[alb1899]

Always said that it is a game for my X!

[AngainorG7X]

Beast

[SuperJay182]

Why is this always pushed as a headline?
We're all well aware that the Xbox X has more power than the Pro (and I own a pro)... but I'm sure we need reminding everytime?

I suppose its a lot to ask that we all just enjoy a game without resorting to 'my console is bigger' dick comparisons

[slavish0]

This has been going on all gen. Now u cry?

[King_Noctis]

But this article is from Digital Foundry(not from some unknown site just looking for hit) and it is their job to do these kind of comparison. They do it all the time actually. You act as if we never have articles like this on this site.

[WickedLester]

While I appreciate the service DF does, you have to admit it's a bit of a double edged sword. While on the one hand they do provide us with good performance data, on the other hand DF does help perpetuate the fanboy war. Still, I suppose that has more to do with the insecurity of individual gamers and not DF's problem. But it does get old seeing all the "runs best on X1X" headlines because that is a foregone conclusion now for every multiplat game that releases. It's not news anymore.

[Christopher]

Dick measuring (aka tech analysis) is what Digital Foundry is all about, though...

[King_Noctis]

I love how you call it dick measuring when the comparison is in the favor of MS.

[Christopher]

@King, I didn't call it dick measuring first, I'm using the term the person I replied to utilized. But, regardless of who comes out, Tech Analysis is about finding out how is better/bigger/faster. It's always been competitive. Oftentimes it's also about developers who don't use their technology well (in this metaphor, it means they're bad in bed).

If you're trying to slight me for using another person's reference when Xbox comes out ahead as being a fanboyish response, you're more than a year off as I already expressed the superiority of the X over all current generation consoles before it was released.

[Jinger]

I just find it funny how Digital Foundry is either the hero or villain when they show that one platform runs a game better than the other. Up until the X it was pounding chests that the PS4 was doing 900p over 720p or 1080p over 900p.

[P_Bomb]

You also see peeps who didn’t care about 900p and kept on trucking with multiplats on their Xbox’s, now talking about 4K resolution like it’s all that matters. Saw it last gen too with bluray. Didn’t matter until it did.

[Jinger]

@P_Bomb

Yep, it works both ways lol

[P_Bomb]

@jinger
Fortunately (?) I’m broke so I don’t have these ‘who to dance with’ dilemmas lol *cries*! I’m takin’ home the cheap one :p

I just hope the pixel counting doesn’t steal all the headlines. Was a bit surprised when I logged in today to see DF tracking as the #1 headline instead of the goat reviews. But it’s still early.

[Ecowarrior]

Actually, I was waiting for this analysis. I'm fortunate enough to own both the Pro and One X (play the pro more generally, exclusives etc.) but was keen to get it on the best system for IQ. I was interested as while the x would have native 4K, that the pro would take advantage of some headroom by having a lower res and actually look a bit better or have a better frame rate. After watching, ordered on the x. It looks great on both the pro and the x (the One S version looks not great actually) but the x has a clear advantage, even to my knackered eyes.

[mkis007]

Same thought here. Although i got a copy for both. Ps4 is where my friends will be.

[The_Sage]

The most powerful console runs a multi-console game best. In other news... Water is wet, and fire is hot.

[LightofDarkness]

For the record, water isn't wet. Only solid objects that are covered in liquid are wet. Water can make things wet, but it is not itself wet.

[Jinger]

Well it's certainly not dry

[The_Sage]

Light,

In that case... Is fire not hot? Does it only make things that it's near or that it touches hot?

I had a teacher that used to go on about water technically being a lubricant all the time.

Lol Jinger.

[LightofDarkness]

That's literal science, folks. If you feel you know better, you can conduct some research that proves your hypothesis. Otherwise, I'd stop trying to argue a demonstrably wrong case.

In order to save yourselves and the other "alternative facts" brigade that seem to agree with you some time and embarrassment, here's a simple guide that should help you along the way:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=is+wat...

Also, fire is different. It releases heat in an exothermic reaction, and "hot" is a property something can have scientifically. "Wet" is merely a description of how humans experience and interact with water. A more apt comparison would be "is fire not dry?" And then it might dawn on you how silly that argument is.

[The_Sage]

Yeah Yeah... And time is a relative theory of man. Gravity is the weakest force in the universe. A black hole is actually the most solid thing that we know of at this point. Etc etc.

I don't think anyone cares. I grew up in a house where you were expected to become a member of MENSA. I couldn't care less, now that I'm in the real world.

[timlot]

Nice, glad I got an X.

[michaelknight35]

Yeah its nice that R* push Xbox one x power to reach true 4k

[Neonridr]

No surprise that the most powerful console runs the game the best.

[Sm00thNinja]

LMAO it's friggin fantastically hilarious that when the X shows how much more powerful it is in comparison to the Pro everyone and their mama hits you with, we all know the Xbox One X would be the best version it's more powerful but as SOON as developers get lazyand games look identical on the two N4G is quick to hit you with, ITS THE CPU it's holding it BACK! It's only about 9% more powerful!

It's just so hard for some of y'all to say THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPRESSIVE AND A NICE TREAT FOR XBOX FANS! with the right tools in the right hands the Xbox One X is truly in a class of it's own. So excited to have pulled the trigger on ordering this version

[raWfodog]

"So excited to have pulled the trigger on ordering this version"

Was there a doubt as to which version you wanted to get?

[Sm00thNinja]

Yes I almost pulled the trigger on the Pro version for the 30 day exclusive content. But ultimately I decided the Xbox One X would eventually get the dlc and the graphical differences would NOT BE. A 30 day exclusive. I really was taking a Gambit on the X being the superior version and it looks like it paid off

[rainslacker]

I think its perfectly acceptable to hold developers accountable for not utilizing what resources are available(in reference to games before this). I knew since the mid-gens were announced that it was unlikely that many would really take advantage of what was available in them. It's nice to see R* made the effort to make the best possible use of what was available, despite the lower market share of the X1X.

Personally, I feel that the game is going to please a lot of people regardless of where they play it.

But, to poke the bear...best place to play it will be the inevitable remaster next gen.:) But for now, it is a nice treat for X1X owners.

Seriously though, I do hope people enjoy the game. I know many have been looking forward to it for quite a while.

[Kumakai]

I had a strong assumption that would be the case so that’s why I pre-ordered on one X despite the ps4 marketing.

[Dom_Estos]

Gaming news in more powerful hardware runs games better shocker!

Stealing a living.

[bluefox755]

Turns out newer, more expensive hardware, runs games a bit better than older, cheaper hardware. Who would have thought?

[Kribwalker]

“But really, to see this phenomenal game at its absolute best, Xbox One X is the platform of choice - and by quite a considerable margin."

I was unaware that “considerable” had a double meaning.

[rainslacker]

When it comes to digital foundry, their superlatives are sometimes double in meaning. Or at least exaggerated. Won't speculate what is the case here, because i really don't care. But considerable should be quantifiable to some degree, and I hope when i read the analysis later, they back up their claim in the text of their article.

Game's been a long time coming either way, so people should just enjoy it IMO. Chalk one up to the devs for taking advantage of the X1X's power, and likely the power available to mid-gens in general, because a lot of devs haven't bothered this gen for either system to any great degree.

[cfc83]

Base xb1 . Fack everyone.

[mark_parch]

lol

[Movefasta1993]

we'll pray for you

[cfc83]

I'm sure it'll be fine. The majority of folk will be playing on stock. I also have a ps4, but i ain't buying a plus subscription.

[Father__Merrin]

By a considerable margin? Rubbish both on a 4k setup will look almost identical. In fact if the PS4 pro was on a 4k TV and was shown as Xbox one X footage people would say that looks amazing.

It's understandable it will have a bump 8n various aspects as it's more powerful hardware but almost everyone it's a moot point. I predict more people to buy a PS4 pro to play this game than an Xbox one X

What's most worrying is the Xbox one s version that's a painfully low resolution compared to a base 1080p almost everyone is gaming on a one s so it's not a good deal for them

I'll personally skip it didn't like the orig RDR

[Neonridr]

even in the comparison screenshots in the article the difference is quite vast. The Pro version has a blur layer to the pictures whereas the One X version just looks incredibly sharp.

Yes the Base XB1 version looks terrible.

[mkis007]

They were zooming to a point where even the x looked blurry side by side.

[PETE1985]

One X has somewhere around 60% more pixels on screen running natively. There is no way you would not see the difference even at normal viewing distance.

[get_real]

Using fog to lower view distance in order to achieve 30fps doesn't qualify as groundbreaking tech or beautiful. Horizon/spiderman did it much better without using excessive fog.

[Christopher]

Real tech talk, finally.

I'd skip on the Spider-Man comparison as they fudge populated world elements in chunks, which is old in concept as well.

I do absolutely think way more companies need to look into how they handled view and data processing in HZD. I think if R* had focused on something similar you would have awe inspiring vistas rather than what we have. Not to say it's bad looking, but it could be better. Maybe next generation?

[Jinger]

Lol did you even watch the video? Clearly not all scenes have heavy fog. There are plenty of extremely large vistas on display here. The use of fog in most of these scenes is not to cover the view distance. I mean at 1:19 and on you clearly see extremely long vistas with no fog.

Edit: Hell, even at 1:19 he even mentions HZD and how this is even maybe a step above that.

[Christopher]

LOL, did you apply the person I responded to comment on fogs to mine, where I didn't mention fog at all?

And, as far as vistas, they're not really awe inspiring and detail is greatly reduced beyond a certain range and it is purposefully blurred, which is pretty standard. NPCs and animal activity as well as physics beyond a point will be greatly reduced or completely removed as opposed to continuing those beyond.

And, they said it goes a step beyond HZD in some parts, but also note that HZD was designed for the PS4 and not the Pro. And the technology they use to make it look good on the PS4 and Pro with that code still puts it up there with a game a year and half later on hardware with a ton more RAM and GPU power... A PS4 game... is comparable to a game that's maximized for the X... Think about that.

And, if R* and anyone else utilized the methods that they used in HZD, you would see even better results.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

No one is sitting here calling RDR2 shit or bad looking, but they are using old tech concepts rather than evolving them like they did with HZD. And using those old concepts allows them to progress, but slowly and only as technology progresses.

Saying the game could be better isn't saying it looks like crap.

The game shines on Xbox because they can pull off those higher quality full resolution textures, which makes everything else work well with TAA (and why it looks muddy on the S and Pro, the latter due to poor checkerboarding technology that seems in general to be hit and miss). But, they could go further by using methods from other open world games that allows them to further control memory and processing and allow things to go beyond just being higher textures alongside technology used widely now, but extending those beyond where they've been utilized so far.

[rainslacker]

From what i saw this morning at work, it appears they used a combination of effects to achieve the games rather impressive graphics. LOD was greatly reduced at points beyond human clarity(where you can't make out an object very well), and the focus of the camera was much more centered on the closer parts of the scene. I noticed a rather strong focus on the characters, making it more like a movie, which works well in the western setting.

Occlusion culling is certainly there, but there are parts of the game I've seen where that is limited in application due to the nature of more open vistas in a western environment. I'll have to go back and look again on Monday....or maybe i'll buy the game this weekend :)....but as I recall, those open parts which I really only got to spend a brief time with, didn't seem as detailed as the areas with more confined spaces.

Horizon did similar things with Occlusion, but if you get to the more open areas, without as many trees or mountains blocking your view, you see a heavy decrease in the LOD, which is more than you'd see in other games. Animations in particular were scaled back, but they were good enough to not really notice. This was mostly possible due to the rather high amount of detail in the objects themselves still looking good when you drop the detail, and the art style itself lending itself very well to hiding deficiencies in the rendering process borne from the lower power available. The Uncharted series also benefits from the art style, which isn't quite photo-realistic, but more stylized. Same goes for RDR, although many objects are more realistic....if not bordering on photo-realistic. But when you view the game, it has that western movie feel to it, which is almost surreal in some places.

Spider-Man does as you say, basically renders a separate scene for background draws...at least that's what I assume you are referring to, or combining objects into one larger meta-object. It's a proven method that works well and minimizes FOV limitations. I see some of that in this game, but I can say that it's done quite well in RDR, and I may even be mistaken that it's used at all, as it seems seamless compared to other games on the market. however, this is a very technical involved process, that most people can not recognize anyways, so I doubt that people will be that fussed about it either way. In one of my prior gigs I was responsible for helping to make something like this, and I had a hard time discerning the difference either way, even when I knew what to look for. The benefit comes from the freeing of resources.

What I find most impressive though is that they achieved the native 4K on the X1X. Given the "tricks" they used to make the graphics better, every part of me says that this level of detail should not be possible on the GPU provided. It speaks volumes on the things that MS did to make the X1X an extremely streamlined machine, and double props to R* for utilizing the power.

I'm really curious how they put it all together, and what new techniques they may have come up with to make it happen. I'm eager to learn of the "tricks" they came up with to get the game looking as good as it does, while still performing well.

I am eagerly hoping to hear the postmortems they release. I always get excited when new things come around which is something that I've been working on, or trying to achieve for a while now. I'm not overly excited for the game itself, but I can't help but be impressed with what they achieved.

Could it be better? I'm sure there will be updates this gen which will probably improve things for all the consoles.

[Christopher]

***Animations in particular were scaled back, but they were good enough to not really notice.***

Nothing I've seen or been told says this. As well as lighting and physic details from great distances.

***every part of me says that this level of detail should not be possible on the GPU provided***

Uh, why not? It's not more intense processing by the CPU, only the GPU, and that's really only a speed and RAM issue, which it's already proven to be able to handle. The process should be easily capable by tailoring the quality of the 4k textures to the right level to match the speed of which it is called/processed. I don't see how it wouldn't be possible here and yet completely possible in other games.

[darthv72]

Maybe you need to rewatch the video. The use of fog in this game is nothing like turok on the n64. come on... "get real"

[DaGreatOne]

I think it's crazy that on the flip side it runs at 864p on the S. You are either going to have the best or worst possible experience and it is very noticeable.

[raWfodog]

I'm sure MS wants to give XB1S owners a big push to upgrade to the X

[Dragonscale]

Bit too late in the generation wouldn't you say.

[--bienio--]

End of Jokes. Beta version has been released, so all hands on board R *. We are waiting for the complete version on the PC😁💪🏻

[AnubisG]

The best place to play this game will be on PC once it releases. Also, we all can expect this to be released on next gen hardware (PS5, nextXbox) which will be here within the nexr couple of years. Just like GTA5 was.

[Shikoku]

Congrats but I have a Ps4 Pro and this isnt going to make me spend 500$ just to play it a little sharper.

[MadLad]

Shouldn't be surprising. Good on them for pushing actual 4K, and still managing solid performance.

[Silly gameAr]

Wonder if that will matter in the end.

[iistuii]

Shame there's no 60fps option on the Xbox X

[timotim]

That's the confirmation I wanted to hear. Looks like they took advantage of X's power despite the marketing deal they had with Sony and PS4...that's all I wanted. NATIVE 4K for an open world R* game on X is insane! Most people said we would never see a "true 4K" AAA game at all, but when R* pulls it off, you know you have something special.

Ill be buying this bad boy this weekend...this , FH4 and Shenmue is what my next month or so looks like.

[DrumBeat]

I remember foolish people saying just that. Marketing deals aren't going to cause the developer to ignore the extra power of the Xbox One X.

[mkis007]

Well they did ignore the RAM gap between pro And x...would havecliked to see the texture boost.

[Kribwalker]

there were quite a few people that believed they would hold back the OneX version just like they thought that would happen with Destiny 2. I for one am happy they were wrong and Rockstar took advantage of the extra power of the OneX

[DrumBeat]

It's just ridiculous thinking. So there's a marketing deal with Sony. That means they're going to skimp on a more powerful console? DLC coming earlier on PlayStation of course makes perfect sense, but not making use of the Xbox One X's extra power doesn't.

[rainslacker]

At least in the future we don't have to say that one version was gimped because of a marketing deal. Kind of shows companies aren't forcing parity

[DrumBeat]

I don't think it's ever happened to be perfectly honest. I think it was pure fanboy paranoia in the past. There's no evidence to suggest that it ever actually has either. Rockstar would never agree to this sort of thing with Microsoft or Sony, and if it was suggested by either of them, I think they (Rockstar) would simply decline any special contract or agreement.

The game in a PlayStation or Xbox bundle. The game on PlayStation or Xbox packaging. The game being shown only on one brand of consoles. Earlier DLC, etc. That's as far as it goes. Never would a developer intentionally force parity, or not make the most of hardware if they're able.

[Bronxs15]

No surprise here. Still prefer PlayStation and will buy this on PlayStation

[ichdich]

i'm goona buy it on the X for Sure.

[Donnie81]

I'm sure they both look great Tbh. But the people trying to down play the major advantage of the 1x are pretty sad. You can't say great job rockstar or something positive you gotta make some excuse to how power don't matter. It sure mattered the 1st half of this gen when the ps4 hit 1080p and the Xbox was at 900p. Stop being salty and just enjoy the game.... Ill be enjoying it in native 4k 😃

[Silly gameAr]

And, everyone else will be enjoying it and not think twice about an extra pixel ot 2. Have fun bro.

[Donnie81]

This is n4g your supposed to come at me with a comment about sales or exclusives. Your not allowed to say something that makes sense.
I'm joking I hope you really enjoy the game as well

[Chris12]

Or 4 million pixels and better frame rates

[xRacer74x]

Everyone knew this was going to be true. Xbox X is the most expensive console but you get what you pay for. Red Dead Redemption pre-loaded and waiting for unlock at midnight. All I can say is Wow at the POWER of the X.

[moomoo319]

Would appreciate a more generic title so i know its the tech breakdown and not just an xbox article

[ninsigma]

Well I should hope so!

[Orionsangel]

Most have standard consoles though and it runs 1080p on PS4. While it runs 864p on Xbox One. The clear is PS4.

[Vizigoth04]

So watching the video that analysis is actually pretty cool. I mean the Xbox One X should hold up well and play it the best. No doubt about that. The base PS4 and Xbox One S they stuggle in certain areas but it's not enough to deter the game play. It's cool seeing them keep up where they can. In the end though I think this a cool sign of next gen technology on the horizon with PS5 and the Next Xbox sure this game will span multiple generations. I have a feeling my bro might be coming down this weekend to get it to me for my birthday and it'll be a treat. But embarrassingly enough I still need to play though the first one all the way.

[AK91]

Not surprised it's the most powerful console out right now.

[cliveo32]

Looks great on all consoles so who cares its about gameplay so we are all winners ..

[DrumBeat]

My X is ready.

[MatriXcian]

I have both systems and Im buying this on the Pro due to the fact that the X is just for exclusives and I cannot stand the controller. Fanboys seem to forget that both the X and the Pro are the minority when it comes to console ownership especially the Xbox X most people will be playing this game on the PS4 and Xbox One where the PS4 dominates the regular Xbox One it is by far the worst version running at around 800 p.

[V10Elit3x]

People should celebrate a masterpiece of a game, not some a opinion piece that can lead to fanboy war. Let just people play where they want. So I gonna play on PS4 Pro since I sold a Xbox X for a gaming PC that beats Xbox X and PS4 Pro combined in raw power. But that isnt gonna stop me for enjoying multiplattform games on consoles. So if a RDR2 PC edition is on the cards, will get that one aswell.
My PS4 Pro (with a Switch in the setup) with OLED 65" 4K HDR and sound system worth around 3500$ is ready!

[Bluemaster77]

Posts like this are so corny

[GameGod26]

X doing what the x suppose to do lol acting like this is an exclusive.

[Razzer]

"acting like this is an exclusive"

what? There is nothing exclusive about this game.

[GameGod26]

No shit ! didnt say it was either

[Razzer]

No idea what you were trying to say then.

[chiefJohn117]

Wow if it can run this at native 4k it can run any game at 4k. Ms did a great job with the X.

[MasterCornholio]

It can't run any game at 4K though. Even those with monster gaming rigs can't do that at maximum settings at 60FPS.

[micdagoat19]

Duh

[frostypants]

It "plays" best? What does that even mean? It's the same game with the same content and same controls. What a silly statement. Shoulda stopped with "looks best"...which was obvious anyway, given hardware specs.

[Kribwalker]

well the FPS are more consistent with the xbox onex version, so that is why it can be considered to play best on the OneX.

[mkis007]

A locked frame rate is better...but its not nearly as bad as rdr 360 vs ps3.

[starchild]

Nah, I can't stand framerate issues. Better framerate definitely equals to "plays best" for me. Too bad they aren't releasing it for PC so far.

[jon3sy9]

im off out to buy 2 xbox one x's cant wait for midnight and the native 4k goodness

[ChiefofLoliPolice]

It would run and play best on PC. If it came to PC. I'll be playing on Pro for the time being. With XB exclusives and game pass coming to PC, I see no reason to own a X. But congrats to the guys on X. That's seriously impressive!

[C4rnos]

In other news water is wet.

[yomfweeee]

In their comparison tool, some of those PS4 images seem better than the Pro images. Something ain't right with that.

[DEEBO]

It is what it is, everyone knew this was going to be the outcome.
I have a pro and x1x and I like Sony but I'm not going to cheat myself out of the better experience so I I'm picking up this game on Xbox.
I'm done with the wars(too old for that)I just want to enjoy the games
Big ups to MSFT hitting that earnings report,I needed that 4.35 gap up,hope Google and Amazon hit today at 5:30.

[raWfodog]

It just seems obvious that anyone with both a Pro and a 1X would get this game for the 1X (especially after viewing this comparison video), unless they picked it up on the Pro specifically to play online with their other PS friends. If I also had a 1X, that's definitely what I would have done.

It reminds me of when Skyrim came out for the 360 and the PS3. Even though I primarily gamed on my PS3, I got the 360 version because it performed best on that console and didn't have all the issues that the PS3 version had at the time.

[DrumBeat]

Now I believe the 100 hour work week thing. To get native 4K on Xbox One X with fantastic performance must have taken some seriously meticulous fine tuning and TLC.

[Visceral89]

I'll take what digital foundry says with a grain of salt. They said Shadow of the Tomb raider runs best on Xbox one x and it had major framerate problems and screen tearing in any large village.

[ChickenMan34]

this is all complete bullshit and the definition of fake news!!! the game was built on the ps4 pro lol

[Bluemaster77]

So you're saying it doesn't run at native 4K?

[WikusVanDeMerwe]

I highly doubt XbX or PS4P were the target machines given how late to the game they even arrived.

[CyberRekkr]

Digital Foundry is for the hardcore gamers. Most people don't even give a Damn about the minor differences that you have to strain your eyes to see. Most players are gonna be playing on the Ps4 slim,. 4K Resolution vs 1080p is not that big of deal & most people can't even tell that big of a difference. Ps4 pro for me, Because Sony is better than Microsoft in every facet of gaming plus the Dualshock controller is the best!

[Chris12]

Well they don't have the most powerful hardware, which renders your statement false before any debate.

[CyberRekkr]

If it was false than Xbox one X would be out selling the Ps4 , Which is doesn't! You only tell the difference when the game is not moving and then you still have to really look for it, So what was false about my statement? The majority of gamers don't care about those minor differences!

[starchild]

And we hardcore gamers couldn't give two sh#ts about what the casual masses think. I only have a PC and PS4 Pro and don't have the money to get an XB1X, so my only option is to get it on PS4 Pro. But I would definitely get the XB1X version if I could (or preferably the PC version if it was available).

[Skankinruby]

Well damn, looks like I should have gotten an xbox after all......

[parris]

Did Microsoft write that title?

It always amazes me how much different they word these articles than they did when PS4 was the most powerful console. Now they basically just say "buy the X" back then even though the PS4 had higher resolution frame rates and post-processing they still always tried to portray the xbox in a good light.

I encourage people to go back and read those older reviews and see for yourself how biased they are. You only have to read the title to know Microsoft is buying these reviews. These are less reviews than they are advertising pitches.

[Bluemaster77]

Do you realize how delusional you sound? Are you really that upset that the One X can run this at native 4K?

[parris]

Seriously, go back and read some of their comparisons from 2014-2016. Then go read their comparisons over the last year. There is a dramatic change in the way they write their comparisons.

The title "looks and plays best on Xbox One X" is literally the exact same phrasing word for word that Microsoft uses in their advertising on TV/Web ect. they didn't even try to hide the $$$.

[Bluemaster77]

You're basing your statements on unfounded suspicion whereas Digital Foundry is basing its head line on the conclusion of their Analysis. Not sure why this is so hard to understand for you.

[chiefJohn117]

The X got them going coo coo lol someone gets some Cocoa Puffs 😂 they really trying to say DF is bias toward Xbox now lmao bruh Xbox just not allowed to get any credit if they do......🧐🤥 😠

[CyberRekkr]

Native 4K at roughly 30 fps, Did you see the one area where the Xbox one X frames drops to 21 fps , & that was the lowest framedrop for that particular area of all the consoles. So basically it is struggling to even do Native 4K..

[gangsta_red]

This is definitely the first I'm hearing of this. During the beginning of this gen, people here couldn't wait for a DF article.

Do you happen to have any links handy so we can see for ourselves this bias this site has for Xbox?

Would be very interesting to see if this is actually happening and address it accordingly.

[parris]

Are you to inept to do a site search on google? Pick any mutli-platform from 2014-2016 and read, they always downplay the PS4 advantages. Read you'll see they regularly say things like "the PS4 has higher resolution "BUT" the xbox version looks fine", or other things of that nature. If you read there recent comparisons it's almost always worded like X has the highest resolution and PS4 struggles. Or some other wording like that.

Back then while they did generally point out that the PS4 was the better system they ALWAYS made it a point to say that the xbox version was good too.

And really the fact that they cut and pasted Microsoft marketing into the title really says it all and shows where the money is coming from.

And I'd like to add that this isn't the only comparison in the past year where they have used Microsoft marketing in the title and said "best place to play".

[Chris12]

Needless to say, no links. Just a slanderous troll.

[gangsta_red]

"Are you to inept to do a site search on google?"

Yes, actually, I am. And since it's actually you that's making these baseless claims then it wouldn't be that hard for you to actually use Google to back up this BS your spewing with some actual links from past DF articles.

[parris]

Nice, I like how in the first reply you pretended to actually be unbiased. It only took one reply to get your true nature to show itself.

[Chris12]

@parris - not only are you delusional but what you are saying is slanderous. I wonder if your employer would be impressed?

[parris]

Destiny

Has Destiny truly achieved platform parity between Xbox One and PlayStation 4? Shooting ahead of expectations with a boosted, crisper 1080p output and no immediately apparent frame-rate penalty, first impressions suggest THE XBOX ONE VERSION HOLDS UP HANDSOMLY compared to its PS4 counterpart.

Mafia 3

In terms of the core graphical setup we're otherwise looking at near-identical visuals otherwise. For the volumetric lighting quality, shadow and reflection resolution, and overall texture detail, IT"S ALL IN THE SAME BALLPARK BETWEEN PS4 AND XBOX ONE

Dishonored 2

IN TERMS OF THE VISUAL DIFFERENCE OWING TO THE RESOLUTION VARIATION, EACH CONSOLE ACTUALLY HOLDS UP RATHER WELL, with the dynamic scaler's drops in resolution masked relatively well by a combination of the title's soft overall look, plus its extensive post-process pipeline. Side-by-side, Xbox One clearly looks less defined than PS4, which in turn suffers by comparison to the Pro, BUT WITHIN THE CONFINES OF SINGLE PLATFORM GAMEPLAY, THE OVERALL TURNOUT REMAINS CONSISTENT AND LOOKS GOOD.

Metal Gear Solid

A full 1080p picture on PS4 is one such merit, while Xbox One upscales from 1600x900 to produce a slightly softer result at range - ALBEIT WITH RESULTS THAT ARE STILL RESPECTABLE. All of which makes PS4 a fair recommendation on current-gen, THOUGH XBOX ONE HOLDS UP IN EVERY OTHER ASPECT AND WITH THE GAME IN FULL FLIGHT, THE EXPERIENCE IS VERY, VERY SIMILAR INDEED.

Do I need to give you more examples? Because I can pick any game released back then and show you the exact same thing, they downplayed the advantages on the PS4 in every comparison to make xbox seem more viable. These examples are literally the first and only four comparisons I picked, that"s how easy it was for me to do this. It took me longer to add the caps than it did to find the articles.

[gangsta_red]

I love the fact that you never even considered that the developers who made those games that you mentioned actually tried to achieve parity between Xbox and PS4 unlike what is actually occurring here with RDR2 and these mid gen consoles. The advantages between the base PS4 over the base Xbox One are truly as small as DF reports unlike what we are seeing for the One X over the Pro.

Further, none of those quotes in all caps would even suggest that DF has some sort of bias for MS and it's absolutely insane to even think such a thing only because you feel and think they're not praising PS4 as much as you would like them to.

They're not downplaying anything, you are over exaggerating and feeding some imaginary conspiracy with your cherry picks from those articles. to fit your narrative.

What if i told you DF are actually biased against MS and Xbox? Don't believe me here are some quotes to back up my claims!!!

Mafia 3
"Once we return to in-engine action though, the difference is a familiar one: here it's a native 900p on Xbox One,AGAINST A CLEARER 1080P image on PS4."

Far Cry 5
"PlayStation 4 seems THE FOUNDATION PLATFORM HERE, delivering Far Cry 5's full visual feature set at the 1080p standard."

Monster Hunter
"1080p on PS4, for instance, looks much blurrier in motion than a typical 1080p title while 864p on Xbox One IS CLEARLY A FURTHER STEP DOWN"

"While the Microsoft console offers a cleaner look, PS4 Pro HAS AN ADVANTAGE of its own in this mode: additional detail mostly resolved in the form of more distant foliage, and a crisper image in static scenes."

See how easily someone can ramble and pretend something more is going on than what is actually happening.

"I like how in the first reply you pretended to actually be unbiased. "

The irony of this is your OP was nothing but bias and suspicions that you can't prove with facts. Your claims that MS is paying off DF only because they are saying to get an X to play the best version (where's the lie though), not praising PS enough for your taste, your implied comments that you had no problem with DF PS4 articles when it was the powerful console but now having issues with them saying the X is., and the hilarious notion that DF reported that both base consoles truly don't have huge differences between them and simply pointed that fact out.

It's amazing that any good reviews an Xbox gets is always met with some comment of "MS must be paying them off". Why didn't they pay these guys off for reviews of their low rated games?

How come no one claims that Sony pays off articles when they get praised?

[Kribwalker]

The witcher 3

“ it's fair to say only PS4 can compete with a mainstream gaming PC in terms of pixel-count. Rendering at a native 1920x1080, Sony's platform gives a far crisper looking image at every turn, flattering the game's foliage-heavy details at range. Meanwhile, the promised 'dynamic resolution' solution on Xbox One doesn't appear to hit the 1080p target in any of our samples. Instead, for the most part the game renders at 1600x900, with only video cut-scenes providing true 1080p output for any noticeable length of time.”

Battlefield 4
“Regardless, a clear-as-day recommendation still goes to the PS4 version, and while there are glitches on both consoles that need to be addressed, the embracing of seamless, behind-the-scenes updates should at least ease some of Battlefield 4's growing pains.”

call of duty ghost

“Each next-gen console version has its strengths and weaknesses, but clearly it is the PS4 game that offers a superior experience overall. The advantage here comes in the form of cleaner and sharper visuals that help to better realise the extra next-gen spit and polish on display over the 360, PS3, and Wii U versions of the game - something that Xbox One's upscaled 720p presentation fails to do in quite the same way. ”

that was just as easy

[chiefJohn117]

Gangsta red owned you. Take the fanboy goggles off and you won't see any bias from DF.
You post statements of DF saying the Xbox versions hold up well compared to ps4s

Gansta post statements of DF saying the ps4s version tops xbox's

Ever thought maybe DF is simply telling the truth? Not every game on base PS4 looked better than the xbox's, a lot was equal. when it did look better DF said so as seen in gangstas post, so your argument is dead.

[gangsta_red]

"It only took one reply to get your true nature to show itself."

And it took only one reply from you to start calling me "inept".

But how many replies will it take for you to actually start providing proof?

[parris]

Well clearly less than it took you to make this pointless reply since I already proved it above your post.

And I didn't call you inept, I asked you if you were inept and you said this. "Yes, actually, I am." You called yourself inept not me.

[Chris12]

Or, Parris, they are telling the truth and you just don't like the truth. Your account is spent slandering MS at every opportunity, it seem's who is getting paid here eh?

[darthv72]

I know what you are getting at Parris and you are perfectly relaying what my initial comment (way up in the first post) is about. you are one to downplay the resolution of the X but you are also one who talks up the resolution of the earlier games.

I had a feeling it would be this way. I mean yeah early games when it was 1080p vs 900p (or lower) people made it all about the res and power of the PS4 but that was all before 2016. your paranoia is showing so maybe you should just play a game to take your mind off things.

[parris]

I'm not talking about resolution at all. I am talking about how digital foundry words their comparisons. The only way in which resolution was brought up was in reference to what digital foundry was saying.

"It seems to me that those who say resolution 'doesnt' matter with this game also seem like the ones who said it 'did' with other games even before the pro and x were announced."

I had to scroll up to see what you even said.

But if you want to bring this up how about I remind you how Phil Spencer said "play games not resolutions" so i guess people all the way up to the top of the Microsoft chain of command are guilty of that one.

"Microsoft Studios VP Phil Spencer has defended Xbox One, saying gamers shouldn't focus on the numbers, but the experience. In the end, we play the games, not the resolution," Spencer said."

Oh here's another hilarious Spencer quote

"If you were just looking at screen resolution and framerate, you'd be a PC gamer..."

[chiefJohn117]

Proof or it didn't happen. Ever thought maybe.....just maybe the ps4s 0.5tf gap wasn't as big on screen as the Xs 1.8tf advantage? 🤯 Ikr mind-blowing huh

[NXFather]

That could be true but, youtube must be getting paid also cuz you just can't get the pro version to not look blurry compared to the X on youtube.

[william_cade]

I better run out and by my Halo machine now.

[Skankinruby]

Don't forget them forzas bro.....

[xRacer74x]

Then you will have something to play besides 3rd person games.

[william_cade]

Nice - because there aren't enough FPS's out there.

[WikusVanDeMerwe]

Sad to see the "game of this generation" rides or falls for quite a few people solely on the picture quality.. almost as if there is nothing more to the game than its graphics; judging by how the majority are reacting to all this.

[william_cade]

Xbox doesn't have very many solid exclusives - so the company and fans have to fall on something.

[NXFather]

It wasn't even that man. Its just blurry on the pro.

[TheProfessional]

Look at all these people trying to spin these results. Just admit that the specs of the One X are better than the Pro and that the definitive version of Red Dead 2 is on the X. Can't even acknowledge that better hardware=better performance without making excuses. This is why it's best to have both consoles if you can rather than being some cheap fanboy blindly loyal to the one system they own.

[chiefJohn117]

Lol exactly, they just can't accept it. I guess after all the ish talk for 3+ years about power and suddenly things get flipped and the shoe is on the other foot, it's a hard pill to swallow. It's funny to see the same ppl that hyped patches of grass suddenly try to downplay this lol.

[Thundercat77]

Is a good plus for those 100 people out there with an Xbox X.

[Chris12]

Very droll.

[Elda]

LOL!

[chiefJohn117]

Selling better than the S so I guess those 50 ppl may upgrade to the X lol.

[DaMist]

Man this game is going to kill my pro. God Of War and Spider-Man already make it sound like a jet engine, it might just die this weekend.

[EpicFruityPie]

who the fuck cares, its review sites like you that continue to endorse the fighting between platforms. people like different things do we really need "it's best on this platform" talk every big game that comes out? it's getting old.

[rainslacker]

I do think making the claim in a headline does seem kind of agenda driven. DF has been accused in the past of being bias towards MS, and titles like this don't help curb that perception.

I dunno whats wrong with just titling it as it being a comparison, then doing the analysis and conclusion in the text of the article. I don't recall very often where they made such declarative statements for a title...Although I don't say that they were colluding with ms like some people above have.

[chiefJohn117]

😑 really....you don't seriously believe any of that you posted do you? Some ppl just can't eat crow without 😣😝😖. The lies and excuses won't help it taste better.

[rainslacker]

I don't have to eat crow, because I've never been one to make a fuss about the resolution differences, and to date, for the most part, I've been right that many devs don't fully utilize the power of the mid-gens, and that more often than not, the differences are minimal. That hasn't changed because R* did it right.

Otherwise, Yeah, I do believe that DF has been accused of being biased toward MS, and I don't believe that titles like this help to curb that perception.

I also don't see why they feel a title like this is appropriate, when it's not their typical method of titling their pieces, because a comparison should not start out with a conclusion of fact, just for the reason to appear as fair and unbiased.

I'm also not making any excuses for anyone. Not trying to defend Sony for any reason. Have said several times in this thread good for R* for doing it right, and happy that people will get to play the game regardless of where they play. I'm impressed they got native 4K out of this game, and I'm looking forward to our comparisons at work, because surely we'll be looking closely at what they did, for reasons that go way beyond console war rhetoric.

[gangsta_red]

It's pretty amazing how many sites are in favor of MS or accused of being paid off by them.

Kotaku
Polygon
VGchartz
Digital Foundry
IGN
Forbs
Gamingbolt

It's strange to me though how no site is ever accused of having a bias towards Sony or Sony paying sites off.

I guess no site can ever say anything positive about Xbox ever. Because if they do then this perception comes about that they're in favor of Xbox. Even though there's no lie here that the R did an outstanding job with their game for the X.

"Not trying to defend Sony for any reason."

Yes you are, constantly, and making mention of this articles title only proves it. There's no issues when sites bend a knee to Sony's PS4 or their games, no questions asked. But when a third party developer makes a stunning game that runs better on a more powerful console's hardware and a site that specializes in comparisons points out just that....they now get accused of being favorable towards MS.

[rainslacker]

So...when I take issue with a declarative statement such as this, which is well outside the norm for Eurogamer or DF, coupled with the past accusations of them being heavily slanted towards MS, which has been dialed back since Eurogamer brought them, and despite having numerous comments in this thread saying good on R* for actually taking advantage of the power because so many aren't taking advantage of the power, I'm somehow defending Sony because I do point out that DF doesn't have a clean slate?

I never claim conspiracy. At least not to the extent that MS is paying off all these media types. But there are several sites which seem to have a real penchant for loving anything MS does, or downplaying what they don't do right. Pointing it out doesn't make me defending Sony, it makes me criticizing the sites which have a penchant for being like this. I don't take pro-Sony sites that are like this seriously either, because I believe balance is key, and as journalist, I expect them to leave bias aside and just report the facts in most cases. But we live in a world where editorial is considered news, with no real distinction between those two things.

And sure, sites can say positive things about MS all they want. Nothing can really stop them. No one is saying they can't. But if that's all they do, and then ride Sony's ass non-stop at every opportunity, then they're probably going to be accused of being biased. But as of late, the only site I see doing that consistently is GamingBolt, and probably a few others I don't care enough to remember the name of because they're really inconsequential. If there are more, then I don't really care enough to pay that much attention. But DF has been around long enough that I know them, and I know what people have said about them over the years....and I still remember them getting all uppity about some blades of grass being better in a 360 game.

Maybe you don't notice when I also criticize sites or people when they say stupid things about either console. But I do make a lot of comments, so I wouldn't expect you to read them all.

[OpenGL]

I was surprised it was native 4K but it being the best version is not surprising. What is surprising though is how bad the reconstruction method used on the Pro is. Surely Rockstar has observed what countless other developers have done.

[Muigi]

With a title like this...the war has been reignited lol.

[sprinterboy]

Who cares, my Base model ps4 or gamers with ps4 slim (majority) will rape xbox owners one s (majority)

[Wotbot]

If you have the choice then the X is the one for sure, looks incredible

[hiawa23]

No surprise, mine is preinstalled on the X1X and can't wait to play tonight.

[Kyizen]

Haha I would hope so it is the most powerful and expensive home console. In other news a Ferrari is faster than your Honda Civic.

[Animal Mutha 76]

My view. It's not just that it's better on X over pro, it's by just how much. It's really a huge feat. Massive pixel advantage and it runs better. That 320gbs memory bandwidth makes the difference. The X is just highly optimised as they promised. If it was 4k on x but the framerate was poor people would be saying they've pushed the machine too far in pursuit of 4k. Yet it apparently still performs better than the rest. You have to tip your hat.

To those who say it doesn't matter because the majority will play on PS4 - you're right of course but who cares if you own an X? I couldnt give a monkey's as it doesn't affect me because I chose to buy the premium kit for the best console experience and r* have made the most of my purchase. You all enjoy your base ps4 or base x1, I'll be enjoying my purchase knowing I'm so money supermarket.

[Bytor]

T o bad most people on Xbox will be playing a shit version.

[timotim]

This logic is so funny. If a gamer wanted an X or Pro, they would buy one. However, my thing is, for those of us with an X, why do we care? We are playing the game better than EVERYONE, regardless what system they have haha. This trying to hype of your system of choice through association must be some kind of new thing...when I'm gaming on my X, I'm not sad for all the console gamers that are playing worse than me...Im happy that I'm playing at its BEST.

[Kostche]

it will play fine on my ps4 pro thanks, and when PC version comes out i will buy it on that, there is no reason to EVER have xbox

[GrizToof]

No $hit. Keep it moving...

[Donjune]

Big win for Microsoft! Sony fans shouldn't be so upset though.

[Mylove1516]

Pretty obvious that better hardware = better performance. Getting it on ps4 so when the multi launches I can play with friends.

[bigmalky]

Still trying to figure out what Eurogamer finds more playable about the X version.

Does it have extra minigames?

Looks better? With a zoom to notice huge differences, yes. Plays better? Nrrp.

[Chris12]

Better framerate = more playable. Simples

[bigmalky]

Nope. Still not claiming that one, unless the PS4 and Pro drop to unplayable levels of bad frame rate.

[Chris12]

Keep defending....

[_LarZen_]

One of, if not the most impressive game this generation is best on Xbox.

[Skankinruby]

Lol and its not on ps4? You sound like a politician

[_LarZen_]

Is there any indication in what I wrote that it's only on Xbox? I wrote that it's best on Xbox. There's a difference.

[smashley]

Fairly obvious title

[windblowsagain]

PS4 Base system looks good tbh, 1080p and 30fps stable outside town. A patch later should be nailed 30fps.

xboxone s looks blurry, but they still did a good job.

Not quite sure what they've done with PS4-pro.

Should have just done native 1440p. and then checkboarded to 4k. Weird.

[CernaML]

"Despite the X console's big RAM advantage over its PlayStation equivalent, art quality seems to be the same."

So much for 4k textures due to the bigger install size on the Xbox One like some people in the other article were saying. lol

[DrumBeat]

I'd send you a bag of Sour Patch Kids but I think you've had your fill.

[chiefJohn117]

Roflmao bruh I'm in tears 😂 that's a good one I'm stealing that

[CernaML]

Sure, Here's a bag of crow. :)

[KickSpinFilter]

RDR2 or is Cyberpunk gonna beat it out?
For me I'm more into a Cyberpunk kinda game but it has to be serious, and CP looks for from that. While a western theme game I'm less into, but RDR2 looks absolutely amazing. Think RDR2 has the win.

[Elda]

That's nice & all but I'll be playing on the Pro.

[timotim]

Hope you enjoy the game. I have a LG 4K OLED and a X...needless to say, ill be grinning from ear to ear while playing this.

[RosweeSon]

For those of you with a bionic eye

[chiefJohn117]

But I recall you having no issue noticing a 0.5tf difference that only led to 900p vs 1080p. But you need a bionic eye to see 1.8tf which leads to native 4k and hi resolution textures. Lol be consistent at least

[RosweeSon]

What are you even on about

[RosweeSon]

I wouldn’t notice 900/1080 as I don’t care about resolutions I only bought 4K in last few months happily play Tetris on an old black and white gameboy it ain’t about the FPS for me it’s about the games. 0.5tf (don’t even know what that is) resolutions arent on my list of priorities but if you can get better ones sure would I pay £400+ for few extra FPS no.

[starchild]

You don't need bionic eyes, you just need normal vision.

[RosweeSon]

It’s a joke but you can really notice extra few FPS or extra pixels when your engrossed in a game... no

[jjb1981]

Let the butthurt marinate....

[jackdaddy]

A pointless headline. Just bought on Pro and fully expect it to 'run' better on One. That isn't really relevant though is it ffs.

[Ninjamonkey82]

lol knew this would hit top topic fanboys lol.

[djsilke45]

RTX 2080 TI

[Nacho_Z]

Isn't that the most powerful console out currently? Hardly a headline that it runs the game the best. I'll be happy enough with it on my regular PS4 on my oldish plasma tv but credit where it's due.

[ChasingTheSun]

True that, dont know why they have to state the obvious, like they insecure or something? Anyhow ill be enjoying this on my base ps 4 in 1080p on my 42 inch sony bravia and be just as happy.

I chose ps4 because they have the best exclusive lineup and i have never been an xbox fan , so one multi plat game looking slightly better on a mid gen console is hardly anything to brag about, im sure base xboxone fans will have just as much fun playing it at 864p also.

[Slickrickda1]

I personally don't give a damn what system it looks better but I just want to play it already.

[DOOMZ]

Then that's what I'll be getting it on!!!!💯🔥

[william_cade]

and Xbox x is coming out with a Sea of Thieves enhancement next year - they have all the newly required devs working 1000hr work weeks to get it to look like Halo and Forza. XD

[Wulfer]

It's going to be a blood bath when the numbers come in over have many more X1X's are sold over the PS4 Pro bundle. The Gamestop trade-in alone is a no-brainier. $250 for a $500 console yeah this is gonna be good. Sony paid for the exclusive deal yet MS got the better treatment. Rockstar wins both ways LOL.

[TheColbertinator]

Well duh. Great game coming up and I look forward to enjoying it on the X

[cell989]

Yeah yeah graphics sure, but don’t PS users get exclusive content? So it’s a trade off?

[theredeyejedii]

I thought I'd have a quick 10 mins on it just to see what it was like before bed. 2 hours later I just turned my xbox off and probably gonna be late tomorrow.

[GameStallion]

How is this news? Of course it does, One X has the latest hardware. It would be news if it didn’t.

[Realms]

The comments are fascinating only a small percentage of gamers will play this on the x, I will go out on a limb and say it will sell better on the PS4 even with qoute unqoute inferior performance. It will be interesting to see if it actually moves xbox x for MS like Spiderman did with the PS4 most likely won't since it's multiplat we shall see though.

[BrettAwesome]

And worst on xbox

[Ivar_Ragnarsson]

Runs best on Switch

[8bitswarrior]

Sure it will, their team effort(Rockstar) and newer hardware(MS) BUT Ps4 doesn´t stay behind.

Don´t forget that ps4 has a very good gamma of exclusive games started from years ago, thing that Xbox One platform doesn´t have that often.

[ScootaKuH]

Of course it does.

It'll still sell better on PS4 though 😉

[timotim]

Sales do nothing for my personal experience while playing this game on my X. Its not like the game will magically improve image quality with every sale PS4 gets haha. I don't care about sales, I care about the way the game looks and plays on my screen...

[Father__Merrin]

Why did they have to zoom to show a clarity bump on the X also this doesn't mean X owners now have the better deal as the same game is also available on ps4

[ChasingTheSun]

Its all they have, microsoft dont make any exclusives for them. It plays and looks great on the base ps4 at 1080p, performs well so im happy with my purchase, besides what do xboxone owners have to look forward to after this? crackdown 3??

I cant wait for days gone, mlb 19 the show, Dreams, last of us 2, death stranding to name a few, So there's really nothing to be down about, let them brag about a slight res bump from a flaming fanboy website, down the road for xboxone exclusive wise looks embarrassing bad.

Thats my take, good night.

[timotim]

You don't think you'll be able to notice OVER DOUBLE the pixel count between the two???

[Father__Merrin]

It's extremely suspicious that nobody is talking about the Xbox one s this is most of the user base. I think the X is mentioned purely and purely to win n4g arguments.

Bottom line is, a PS4 is perfectly fine with an option to upgrade to a pro if you need one. Where as on the flip side X owners can never recommend an S. Therefore the argument holds that the best deal as a gamer is a PS4 purely due to having better and more games.

If the X is so much better and is what the world community base wants let's see how next week's weekly sales come in at.

PS4 was at 221k last week, Xbox S Inc the X was at 77k

I will be checking to see if what you says holds up

[sromoli]

Native 4K and super silent console. Esclusive for Xbox One X.

[ziratul]

XBOX ONE X looks way better than Pro and Basic Consoles... Amazing, too bad I have XBOX S and Pro xD

[Tzuno]

does it hurt? :)

[blacktiger]

DUH!
Powerful computer always work better, IF THE game is optimize heavily for that,

[Sevir]

Well that's great that they take advantage of of the One X, considering how damn gorgeous the game looks on Pro. So it's hardly a knock on Sony's machine