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Say farewell to Steam

More and more major publishers are deciding to end their cooperation with Steam, promoting their own sales platforms and gaming environments instead. As a result, every publisher may soon get its own digital distribution platform – and that doesn't bode well for Steam.

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xboxcult2091d ago

My answer is......
#1 lower Steam's commissions on per game sold (30% is too high, 15% would be more reasonable),
#2 Half Life 3,
#3 Left 4 Dead 3,
#4 Counter-Strike:GO 2.

CorndogBurglar2090d ago

As much as I would love those 3 games, I don't see how making them would make all the other publishers stay on Steam.

Your 1st point is pretty solid though! I didn't realize Steam made that much in commission. That's a bit crazy.

NewMonday2090d ago

that's the downfall from turning your back on your original bread and butter 1st party games, Valve should have used all those years of market dominance to build a big 1st part catalog that holds player loyalty. now it may be too late.

roadkillers2090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

^ Meh, the most successful games have been tiny developers. Battle Royal changed the whole landscape of games with everyone asking if their game will have a BR mode. ARMA2's zombie mod changed open world survival, and ARK did well as well. I think they have become Steam's bread and butter. Not to mention all the mod support and VR helmet support.

Edit: Didn't Monster Hunter sell 2+ million in a week? Steam is fine. Yes I would love those games though..

Mea Maxima Culpa2090d ago

I think something to be more concerned about is Steam dropping support for Windows 7 (eventually due to pressure from Microsoft).

They just stopped supporting pre-Windows 7 with few complaints, mark my words Windows 7 is next.

I have been burned over and over with these services starting from heat.net (I still have the t-shirt), On-Live, Games for Windows Live and even a few others.

Digital copies of games, especially a Steam library of 441 games like I have, are a gamble.

Skull5212090d ago

The don’t need to continue to support old operating systems, Windows 7 should be next. Windows 8 was better, and Windows 10 even more so. Dropping support for outdated products is nothing new and should be expected.

Oh, and bye Steam! Always fun to see a monopoly fall from grace

Servbot412090d ago

Releasing those games would increase the concurrent users on Steam. The more people on Steam all the time the more eyes on the advertisements of third-party games. Not saying that that's even a great argument, but its one that could be made.

crazyCoconuts2090d ago

@skull, I don't think Steam qualifies as a monopoly... There have been other stores for quite some time, Steam is just the most successful.

EpicFruityPie2090d ago

@roadkillers did you really mention Ark? lol

Muzikguy2090d ago

@Skull

You have a strange way of seeing things. How is Steam a monopoly? You can buy and play games many ways other than through Steam. I'm also completely baffled how someone would constantly want to upgrade all the time just to keep a service, wasting all that money. It's not worth it man. It really isn't

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maybelovehate2090d ago

Those things would definitely help. But major studios will still be wanting to use their own services. That doesn't mean Steam is dead though, still a great avenue for Indie games which are a huge part of this industry and not going away.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2090d ago

#5 Bring Steam to my X... ok, I will keep dreaming lol

rainslacker2090d ago

Eventually, if not quickly, people are going to get really tired of having all these logins. It's annoying as it is if your a gamer.

Publishers can forge their own way, which will work for those with enough content to fill their own store, but not all of them are equipped to handle their own store and policies. There is more to.these stores than just selling stuff.

Ea and Ubisoft haven't used steam for years, and steam is still growing. I don't think people need to bid farewell to steam any time soon, and steam will adapt.

fr0sty2090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

Steam is just going to become a portal top play Valve's games.

joab7772090d ago

Poor Valve. They may just have to do what every other company has to do and actually develop and publish games again. It’s how Sony, MS and Nintendo sell hardware and ultimately make money. Valve has been fortunate with lower up front costs, but it is a smart move to deregulate, if only to force Valve’s hands.

What is another site that could challenge them regarding Indies and smaller games?

badz1492090d ago

Steam is the reason PC gaming is thriving. but with more publishers moving away from it especially the big ones and they start to use their own launchers, it's not gonna look good for PC gaming scene! say goodbye to those sweet deals on big 3rd party games because now they are only going to be available from their own publisher and they will keep the price as high for as long as they could! and what's the point of having so many launchers anyway? it's annoying and gaming on a non-unified platform is the last thing the PC need for its growth. seriously, this doesn't look good!

SR388132089d ago

I don't have steam but I do want half life 2 ep 3!!!

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SegaGamer2091d ago (Edited 2091d ago )

Imagine how horrible it would be if every company moved away from Steam.

These are my reasons why I would hate it.

1) Bloatware. Having so many different launchers on my PC would be irritating. So many different updates, so many different UI's to navigate and get used to. They would be all over my PC and I would have shortcuts everywhere. It's messy and inconvenient.

2) Games no longer being in one place. I like my games being tied to one account, same goes with my achievements, the amount of hours I have put in, my friends, the community forums (Steam's is a bit of a cesspit though). Everything is there in one place and easy to get to. I like loading up Steam and clicking the play button on my games, it's as close to plug and play as PC gaming has ever been.

3) Prices and sales. I don't think anybody can deny it, you won't find better prices or sales than what we get with Steam. I'm not just talking about from Steam themselves. Humble Bundle and Fanatical do amazing sales on games for Steam. The prices of these games are often cheaper on release too and get discounted more often and sooner than any other platform. If all companies were to move everything away from Steam, I don't think things would be as good. Uplay and Origin sales are very poor, I haven't bought one game from their sales yet, It's just not tempting enough.

4) Tons of new accounts and passwords. The last thing I want to do is create more accounts and have more passwords, it's bad enough as it is.

5) Credit card, debit card, Paypal etc etc. I don't want to share any of this stuff with any more companies. It takes one account getting hacked for everything to go wrong, and with so many accounts holding your details, the more likely it is that this will happen.

If they all branch off and do their own thing, they will probably find themselves losing a costumer. I'm not signing up and creating multiple accounts just to play the odd game or two now and then.

DaReapa2090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

@ Sega
Agree with every major point made here. It's just not feasible to the consumer to have independent distribution from every major publisher.

PapaBop2090d ago

I agree completely and you make some great points BUT, if what the guy above said is true and that Steam take a 30% cut on commission, you can't exactly blame publishers/developers from moving away from Steam, that's an excessive amount.

HeyNavi2090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

I agree that it seems like a large commission amount, but think about how many games are purchased in the first place simply from browsing Steam and seeing what's new or looks interesting? Steam is a huge hub for a myriad of games that would otherwise go unnoticed.

rainslacker2090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

It can be as low as 15%. Indie devs pay 30%, but most major publishers pay 15-20%. That's about what they pay selling through own or X box store.

It's not really that outlandish when you think about the work steam puts into their service. The marketing they do for their service, and on behalf of the publishers, hosting and distributing data, some moderarion assistance for the devs and pubs, and of course, providing easy access to the largest customer base in pc gaming.

agent45322090d ago

Is about control for too long AAA game publishers were selling their games cheaper. They want to sell their games at $60.00 plus tax, no mod support, littered with microtransanctions and keep PC gamers from having competition like GOG, Greenmangaming to want to buy Capcom games need Capcom launcher., want Activison games get battlenet.....

darthv722090d ago

You know... I seem to recall a time before Steam where I had lots of games installed to my PC and the ability to create a folder in the start menu to put all the respected shortcuts into. That way there was no clutter on my desktop and all the games were installed to the same drive and things were easy to find.

All Steam did was create an online way to manage digital downloads and installs which is an evolution of what I was already doing back on win 95 and 98. Hell... I still have my old Win 98 machine with games like Quake 3, unreal tournament, SHOGO, Kingpin, Half life, Need for Speed 2.

It's a tricked out K6-3 400 with 128mb ram and 16mb TNT2 as primary and a pair of 3dfx V2's for dedicated GLide games and a SB AWE32 for Duke 3D in DOS mode (got to love that wavetable synth)

Tross2090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

@SegaGamer Yes, like 99% of my PC software is on Steam. I have a GoG account that I've barely used, but I prefer to keep all my games in one place, hence why I haven't branched out and tried the plethora of other services. I'd also add that I fear the possibility that the end of Steam would mean the end of the client, and therefore, the end of access to my games. Thankfully, the title of this article is clickbait and I don't think Steam is going away anytime soon.

crazyCoconuts2090d ago

Agree with Sega. I like the flexibility and power with a PC, but I still want to have a "console-like" experience for most things, and Steam is as close to the whole package as you can get. But to be honest if there's a game I want to play badly I'll succumb to going to another store to get it. I wonder if Steam cuts side deals with the bigger players to reduce the cut in order to keep them on the platform.

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FinalFantasyFanatic2090d ago

I really wanted storefronts like GOG to be more popular, just to break up the monoply and give people a choice on where to shop (GOG doesn't have all the games Steam does, but Steam does have a lot of junk mixed in with everything else). I hope the Discord store evens things out, I'm not completely happy with Steam myself but use it out of necessity.

Muzikguy2090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

Those are all legit reasons for sure. I haven't been a player on Steam yet and if it goes away I will be sad by it. I have actually thought about getting an account I just haven't yet. If it turned out that I didn't like where next gen was heading I was going to then. It's probably good I've waited this long though. I'm running Windows7 and I'm sick of companies forcing me to upgrade just to keep using their service. I do like the idea of having all the games in one place, but definitely don't like it tied to a service that could be severed at any moment

Ogygian2090d ago

6. Steam goes bust and we lose all the games we already have.

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Finch2090d ago

Well I play a lot on pc, and to be honest if I can't buy the game on steam I normally avoid it. I just don't trust going outside of it. So in turn it will be mostly a skip or get on console. Pretty plain and simple.

Razzer2090d ago

Why wouldn't you trust buying a game directly from the company who developed it?

Lynx02072090d ago (Edited 2090d ago )

Because:
1. we trust that steam will not disappear suddenly. Most other platforms I'm not sure if the game I bought will be available to download next day.
2. has nice download speed.
3. has already big community and it is easier to find help if needed.
4. has trustworthy cloud saves.
If there is no other option, I buy somewhere else (uplay, origin) but I completely don't trust gog (it is Polish company) or Telltale (it is small company and I don't know when they shut down they online service) and avoid Rockstar (I have too many problems with cloud saves, downloading and some additional codes that I had to insert many times - but it was with Max Payne 3, it probably got better since that time).
And I don't like mess on my PC, I prefer to install less software, I don't like the idea to have different company soft to every other game.

Cueil2090d ago

You don't trust GoG? The company that allows you to download your whole game and back it up separately?

Razzer2090d ago

Seriously. GOG is the most trustworthy of any of them. They don’t even require you to use their client. You can download direct from the website.

Some folks here need to do some research.

Lynx02072090d ago

@Razzer, Cueil
Of course, I know it. I know exactly how GOG works. But I don't want to store my games backup - what is the point of digital then? Some years ago I went full digital with games (on both PC and PS4). I want to be able to download a game any moment I want to and don't have to store/search/swap any discs.
Some time ago my backup HDD died with no specific reason, I lost anything I had on it but my games on Steam were save. Discs can stop working to. If we are talking about games, I don't trust physical storing at all.

FGHFGHFGH2090d ago

@Lynx0207

GOG is owned by cd projekt (witcher devs)

Razzer2090d ago

@Lynx

I have no idea what you are talking about. You can download your games from GOG at any time just like Steam. And who is talking about discs.....at all? Either you are totally confused or you are just explaining yourself very poorly.

FinalFantasyFanatic2090d ago

I trust GOG more than I trust Steam.

@Lynx0207,

Why would you even be worried about backups? Storage is stupidly cheap now, there's no excuse to not have at least one copy of everything. I got a pair of 6tb hard drives for 299 AUD each, you can get smaller hard drives, but storage is still cheap enough that you can backup any game you download and it's relatively easy to swap to the backup if needed.

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Segata2090d ago

Ever use GoG? Owned by CD Projekt Red.

JTGA2090d ago

I think it's more likely Valve will inevitably refocus their efforts back to software. Make Steam the ultimate digital platform for exclusives. That would easily be enough to mitigate any loses from third party publishers doing their own thing.

RememberThe3572090d ago

Every publishers wants their own Steam. But the fact is most people aren't willing to be the kind of consumers publishers want them to be. I think most of these new service that will be coming online in the next few years will crash and burn, frankly. Most people want deals and most people want flexibility, things most publishers hate.

JTGA2090d ago

I agree. Steam also has the huge draw of being a one stop shop for most games, which is a massive selling point for a lot of people.

FinalFantasyFanatic2089d ago

Personally I just want cheap prices/sales and no DRM (I like the fact GOG doesn't force you to use their client if you don't want to).

ninsigma2090d ago

Hmmmmm don't think it's farewell to steam. Sure the big games may jump ship so that you gotta use their launchers, but tbh that makes complete sense for them to do. Why pay a distributer when you can do it yourself? But devs not part of big pubs will not be able to do this and they will stick with Steam. Also, Ubisoft does it's own launcher as well as steam, it's possible that's how other pubs will do it too.

rainslacker2090d ago

Ea and Ubisoft jumped ship a while ago, and steam still does fine. Losing Bethesda and R* could be a blow....mostly because they have some majority popular titles, but it won't be enough to shut down steam.

Being privately held, they aren't beholden to investors to scramble to do a bunch of stupid stuff to maximize profits, and for as much as they make, and have made, they can outlast even the publishers who seem to be struggling as of late.

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My Trust in Xbox is on Shaky Ground Right Now

The Outerhaven writes: With multiple gaming studios, including Tango Gameworks, closing, the editor-in-chief of The Outerhaven shares his thoughts on the matter.

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rlow18h ago(Edited 8h ago)

Honestly I was looking back and at the launch of the Xbox 1. With Don Matrick at the helm I was disappointed but therevwas something else. That fighting spirit of Xbox at its inception was lost. They stopped innovating, I lost excitement on what the next big new surprise was, because their weren’t any. Not like Halo 2 and Gears launch. You couldn’t really brag about it anymore.
So here we are and corporate MS has ruined what was a beautiful renegade project.

Cacabunga58m ago

Xbox do not give a crap about developers they want publishers to make money for them that is all.

romulus2338m ago

Well without developers there's nothing to publish so if that's their plan it's a pretty bad one.

shadowhaxor6h ago

For everything that Xbox did, I was hopeful it would turn stuff around. Game Pass was a start, and the release of its upcoming titles was a nice way to return. I mean, I'm not going to say it was perfect, just like I wouldn't say PlayStation is perfect. Neither company is, but when Xbox goes and does this, it makes zero sense. The message of Xbox's plan had already had me frustrated, but I was like, "Maybe they'll fix this mess."

Now... yeah. Not so confident anymore.

Aphrodia5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

That's how you know this is clickbait garbage. If you write about games for a living and didn't know Microsoft is a cancer on the industry until now than you are awful at your job.

XiNatsuDragnel8h ago

Xbox will destroy Activision too and Bethesda will be gone too lol

Chocoburger7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

"Right now"?
But not 11 years ago with the disastrous Xbox One reveal which they NEVER recovered from?
Man are you slow on the uptake.

shadowhaxor6h ago

No, Xbox never recovered, but Game Pass (which you're a fool if you deny the success of it), Xbox Cloud, the acquisitions, the reboot of Perfect Dark (which seems to be in the gutter now), the success of Forza Horizon, Sea of Thieves, and yes, Hi-Fi Rush (FFS).

Denying any sort of improvement only goes to show you don't pay any attention to the entire picture.

Crows905h ago

I think you missed the part where these things were spread years apart. Theres no consistency

ApocalypseShadow5h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Bullshit.

Perfect Dark IP was purchased along with many other games like Halo, Gears, etc. Perfect Dark needs help with Crystal Dynamics just to finish the game. That's pathetic. HiFi Rush was purchased and was probably already coming to PlayStation before the purchase.

If Game Pass was a success, these developers wouldn't be closing their doors. We told gamers it isn't profitable. It does make revenue. But revenue isn't profit. It hasn't changed Microsoft's position in the industry or increased hardware sales. If it did, they would be shouting from the rooftops like their arrogant asses always do.

Anyone can have a cloud service. And Sony's is more successful. It took buying major publishers just to increase their spreadsheet. But Xbox continues to fail even then. By having to place games on their competitors platform while still trying to compete. You don't see Nintendo putting their games on Xbox. And Sony was only forced because they don't own the MLB license. Which was forced behind the scenes by Microsoft to take away Sony's successful game and throw it on game pass to use it against gamers buying it on PlayStation. How is the acquisitions a success if they have to close companies they just bought and make many developers jobless? Are you serious? Unless you call it a success by taking away games from other platforms that made those developers more money. That's ridiculous.

Sea of Thieves took years to fix. How is that a success that you have an unfinished game for years that needs fixing? Games should be complete at launch. Just like Halo was an incomplete game that needed fixing. Forza Horizon is a good game but even that game hasn't improved Microsoft's standing at all.

Denying all that shows that you're not paying attention.

Chevalier4h ago

Success? They missed their own targets 3 years straight, stopped announcing numbers because they're so terrible and it's not profitable. Hence the closing 4 studios. There will be more consolidation too. Just watch the by the books garbage yearly releases too followed by more season passes and shorter games come out

Chocoburger3h ago

I have been paying attention for past 11 years. That's why I made my fully accurate above post.

You're the one who hasn't, thus you made that completely worthless post.

- I don't care about a rental service for mid-tier (or any tier) games.

- I don't care about streaming services, I play on actual hardware.

- What is Perfect Dark at this point? Its just a name trying to have an easy win with nostalgia. The original developers and talent has long been gone once MS bought Rare in 2001. ITS JUST A NAME, nothing more.

-Don't care about Forza Horizon.

- Don't care about Sea of Thieves.

- I am interested in Hi-Fi Rush, but MS killing off Tango has pissed me off, so I don't want to reward them for their B.S. and now its guaranteed that the hard working devs won't see any benefit from me supporting them.

MS has done squat over the past 11 years. Nothing but the embarrassing stink of failure. I know this because I have been paying attention.

StoneTitan2h ago

I never played hi-fi rush, even though I would have loved it from all I can see, but as it never came to playstation... Now it comes to playstation and I have no intention to buy it because they closed the developer and the money will only go to poor phil and his poor suits. Well I mean, what else is there to say.
Gamepass brought them into this position so you would be a fool to see it as a success lol

romulus2332m ago

It's also foolish to deny the negatives gamepass is having on the industry as that is part of the entire picture as well.

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Skuletor4h ago

Must be getting their news on Microsoft's Internet Explorer

notachance7h ago

I imagine smaller ABK studios like toys for bob and beenox are now feeling uncertain about their futures

LucasRuinedChildhood6h ago

Thankfully Toys for Bob managed to safely separate from Xbox and are independent now.

notachance6h ago

lol I don't know that, thanks for clarifying

TheColbertinator6h ago

Beenox has been in danger for years now with Activision. Microsoft may act more ruthlessly to them unfortunately.

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20 Best PS1 RPGs of All Time

Cultured Vultures: Where would the PS1 be without RPGs? It’d no doubt still be a massive seller thanks to bandicoots, clones, and halfpipes, but half the cultural institution it is today? We’re not so sure.

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SimpleSlave7h ago

While most of these games are great to amazing, most are not actual RPGs. Faux RPGs if anything. Turn Based Adventure Games for a more apt description, with Diablo, Brave Fence Musashi and Star Ocean as Action Adventure games.

Again, all great games without a doubt.

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The Nordic Game 2024 (NG24) Spring conference is to host more than 150 speakers

"While the 20 year anniversary edition of Nordic Game, NG24 Spring's homepage on 21-24 May in Malmö, Sweden, is getting closer, the organizers announced that more than 150 speakers are now lined up for the show." - Nordic Game.