Bethesda says situation could be "fairly dire" if Sony disallows Elder Scrolls Legends cross-play

Bethesda could be heading towards a standoff with Sony over cross-platform play. Not over Fallout 76, which does, as a multi-platform online multiplayer game.

[MrJay]

It's not though. Bethesda always had a good relationship with Microsoft. I'm not surprised they're making a big deal out of this with Sony.

[annoyedgamer]

So what you are saying is this is a massive conspiracy by Microsoft so make Sony look bad?

[OB1Biker]

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[AngelicIceDiamond]

@annoyed Hes not saying that all its no secret Bethesda has always been in Ms corner since OG Xbox. Bethesda trying to stir the pot once again because MS allows crossplay and Bethesda is continuing to run with that narrative that Sony doesn't and its "urgent" that they do..

I mean they only have 2 online games ESO which nobody's played for for like 3 or 4 years now and the upcoming F76.

[ninsigma]

https://i.4pcdn.org/pol/151...

[naruga]

Bethesda games are mostly sht ....Sony doesnt lose anything if Bethesda goes for a stand off...in the contrary Besthesda are the ones who re losing all the Playstation fans....if lame Bethda dares let them come ..i support Sony s unmovable stance in this ridiculous crossplay trend

[Why o why]

Thank you angelicice. That was a diamond comment. Not saying it's some wild conspiracy just that there is some back story to this. Thanks for stating this instead of piling on with the bs.

[StormSnooper]

Yes it is a pr campaign by Microsoft, is that not clear.

[bluefox755]

Made me think of the Channel 4 Jordan Peterson interview. I'm going to be charitable and assume you were being sarcastic, lol.

[roadkillers]

Lol, that' kind of the direction i took with his post.

[TheCommentator]

It's amazing to watch people go from, "I don't care about crossplay with other consoles" to, "Bethesda is in bed with MS" and "Bethesda games suck" just so they can keep their beloved piece of plastic from appearing less than perfect. News flash... it's not just Bethesda, but companies like Epic (as well as others) who are going to become increasingly frustrated with Sony's lack of maturity on the subject. Truthfully, Sony is screwing Sony fans out of games by taking this stance on crossplay, which will still be published on other consoles instead, but you guys are still talking nonsense? LOL!!!

I thought we all agreed that MS needed more games in order to compete with Sony, yet having less games on Sony platforms doesn't matter if it has anything to do with Sony screwing up crossplay? Way to be hypocritical!

[Skull521]

Hopefully Sony is heavily in first party, it’s not gonna be pretty when they are left out of multi platform multiplayer games because of anti consumer practices.

[Babadook7]

"So what you are saying is this is a massive conspiracy by Microsoft so make Sony look bad?"

Have you not read Microsofts comments on it? Seen their attack ads? Its a fact, not a controversy that MS is using this to paint Sony in the worst light.

[generic-user-name]

Beth are in bed with MS every chance they get. Morrowind Xbox exclusive. Trash Skyrim port on PS3. Making Sony gamers wait for months upon months (over a year maybe if I remember right), for DLCs for Fallout 3/Skyrim. Fallout 76 BETA first on Xbox. Always on MS's stage at E3. Try to make Sony look bad over mods and now trying to make Sony look bad over cross play. They probably resented having to release Skyrim VR on PSVR first after Phil went back on his word over supporting VR on Scorpio.

And here they are, making threats to Sony over this niche card game that won't sell on consoles anyway, they can't afford to miss out on all that $$$ by doing the same with Fallout 76.

[Vegamyster]

@AngelicIceDiamond

They said in the article they want accounts that can connect to all platforms which includes the Switch, PC, Iphone and Android devices and that they're talking with everybody, not just Sony because they want everyone on board. It's not really a matter of singling them out or MS clearly asking Bethesda to do this, given the Fortnite controversy and the kind of game that this is, it seems like a fairly typical stance to protect themselves.

[ajax17]

That's honestly what I'm starting to believe. There are so many damn articles lately talking about how Sony are being such assholes over this non-issue of crossplay.

[TheCommentator]

@ Ajax17

Your problem is that it's not a "non-issue" and that's why it's an ongoing discussion. You're not starting to believe... you're starting to make believe!

[AspiringProGenji]

To me they seem to be just trying to distract everyone from their recent fk ups and drive the attention to Sony. How come they are making s big deal over s mobile card game but not Multiplat games?

GTFO Bethesda! You are smart enough not to abandon the biggest market this gen

[ApocalypseShadow]

Or, that the other article showed that cross play wasn't a crisis on playstation and the uproar was created to get Sony to react. The hype league are upset that Sony's sales weren't effected by the hype. All Sony responded with was "we'll think about it."

So this article shows up in my opinion to start the merry-go-round again for a feature that's nice as we all have said, but not a big deal.

[fiveby9]

Why would it be dire for Bethesda without cross plat play between PS and X1? Other MP games don't have cross plat play and they are all doing fine. I don't care whether there is or is not cross plat play between the two systems. When Bethesda started making FO76 & ESL some years ago they knew full well at that time there was no cross platform play. Suddenly it's integral to their game design? I doubt it. Bethesda should be careful here. As it stands now, FO76 is not being warmly received but rather looked at with skepticism.

[gamer7804]

not sure why people put innovation behind favoritism in console wars. Crossplay like any other good features is a good thing. Most developers are pushing it, there is no reason games should be against it in any way.

[SierraGuy]

Because they know better.

Bethesda stop poking the bear.

Your games aren't necessary for PlayStation to be successful.

On the other hand PlayStation is necessary for your games to be successful.

[kevnb]

They seem to back whatever pr Microsoft wants them to.

[BlackTar187]

They've treated ps bad over ms for 10+yrs. They now threaten Sony over ms current look at us PR move. Hmmmmmm seems pretty clear.

[kevnb]

They even bashed pc when Microsoft wanted people to do so, even though they have huge sales on pc compared to Xbox.

[Critic4l_Strik3]

on a different note. We have the same profile picture.

[MrJay]

LOL

[gamer7804]

OR because the majority of developers with multiplayer games believe that crossplay is also a big deal.

[BlackTar187]

They should get into the business of hardware then.

[rainslacker]

The majority? Is that why so few games have had cross play between ps and pc for well over a decade now?

[Z501]

I don't think you know the definition of majority.

[gamer7804]

the he majority of developers who have spoken on the matter I mean. More who have commented on it said it would be a good thing.

[alb1899]

Incredible how creative you get to justify every Sony mistake.

[SegaGamer]

Critical? Get a grip. Most people don't even care. You ask the average casual gamer about cross play and the majority of them won't even know what you are talking about.

My stance on this hasn't changed. I would like to have cross play, but it's not something I am all that concerned about. If it happens, it happens and if doesn't, then I'm really not all that fussed.

So much crap coming out of Bathesda in the last week.

[Mr_Wilson]

Those casual players that don't understand or care are the reason this matters for this casual game. Bethesda don't want someone to fire up the game on their iPhone and have to deal with complications.

"Do you want your matchmaking and account progression be limited to the Playstation matchmaking pool, or the Xbox/Nintendo pool?*
*Warning: If you choose the wrong option you may not be able to play with your friends. This decision cannot be changed later"

[TheGamingArt]

Right, because every game with a SSO worked like this before Fortnite (rolls eyes). You people need to realize the Fortnite developers messed up and SSOs on non cross platform games have been around and working just fine for a very long time. The problem that kicked this off consists of the Fortnite developers not handling what they would call an “edge case” well. Blame them and stop taking their blame game bait like a sucker.

[Mr_Wilson]

This isn't like Fortnite. This is a turn-based game, that you can play a bit on your PC or console while you're at home or at work, and continue the session on your phone when you're out and about. Unlike Fortnite (and Fallout 76 etc), the multi-platform element fundamentally changes the ways you can play it.

"You people" need to put your console warrior nonsense to one side, and embrace common sense.

[showtimefolks]

Ps4 offers cross play with pc and mobile

[GTgamer]

Yeah because the biggest games of this year will be on my phone mannnnnnnnn what?

[Mr_Wilson]

@Showtime Yes. Who said different?

@GT the biggest game in the world right is surely Fortnite by most metrics, and yes it is on mobile. I have no idea what point you are trying to make.

[rainslacker]

Bethesda isn't known for trying to minimize complications that their customers may experience

[trooper_]

When the average Joe buys consoles, they care about one thing only.

GAMES.

Bethseda needs to take a backseat, close the trap and make solid games people care about.

[BlackTar187]

They want Sonyto listen to them but treat Sony 2nd rate.

[showtimefolks]

Black

They think playstation fans have forgotten how badly they treated us yet now they care I say screw it. If they want this than Sony should say if you don't want to release this on ps4 none of your future games will be on playstation and we will see real fast how their attitude changes

Playstation brand isn't dependant on one game or one developer

[Saigon]

@showtimefolks

That is what I was going to say, is the PlayStation Brand/System that dependent on one game. One game that is multiplat. Yeah, I am not trying to catch what they are throwing.

[cyclindk]

Bingo

[Critic4l_Strik3]

same here ^

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

Cross-play is most beneficial to smaller games and games with smaller user bases. Big games like Fallout 76 likely will have large player bases on all its respective platforms. A hypothetical console release of Quake Champions however would likely benefit very significantly from cross-play as arena shooters don't hold large players when compared to more casual shooters. Cross-play can be seen as benefical and user friendly. However, cross-play likely doesn't have as big of an impact as some are claiming.

[SoulWarrior]

Allowing people to sell their used games is critical.

[TheVigilanteCode]

Damn, that burn...

[russo121]

That's the big issue, not xplay.
I'm amazed how a corporation get into console flame wars, I just don't understand what is the purpose for something no one cares about and makes a great fuss about it.
Me, as a Sony console user, I don't need xplay.

[trooper_]

Ouch!

[ChristopherJack]

They do, Bethesda's issue was an unauthorised 3rd party listing their game as brand new on Amazan despite Bethesda being unable to cover the warranty like a true brand new game from an authorised reseller.

I don't mind people getting pissy about stuff like this but at least know what you're getting pissy about first.

What I find more interesting is the anti-consumer approach consumers are taking to xplay. The first thing you say on this site, every time, is the blatantly obvious "it's not in Sony's best interest" or "Sony doesn't need", as if that were relevant.

[rainslacker]

Except Bethesda doesn't require resellers of their games to be authorized. I know I never signed something for them, and have sold a few of their games over the years. Sold as new. If they required warranty service, then that's on Bethesda, because I also never signed anything saying I'd provide that service on their behalf.

[Atanasrikard]

Is this sarcasm? Who isn't able to sell used games? Bethesda?

[Jinger]

When did bethesda ever say you can't sell used games? They said you can't sell used games as "New" like that guy was trying to do.

[rivaldoo777]

How about dealing with your last gen graphics and optimization. Damn the game is full of glitches and the animation looks so damn garbage. We gamers care about quality games not some bug fest.

[Imalwaysright]

" We gamers care about quality games not some bug fest"

Is that why their games that are filled to the brim with bugs sell millions upon millions of copies? Most gamers don't care about quality and have no standards whatsoever. Most can't even have an opinion of their own as we see here with the excuses such as: "its not in Sony's best interest " or "PS4 is still selling". Most gamers are complete and utter morons.

[rivaldoo777]

Well you have a good point.

[Davidgr2]

Bethesda makes awesome games but ES Legends is not one of them. PS players won’t be missing anything if this game doesn’t come to PS4.

[nowitzki2004]

Much better card games out there. And that really is a genre that you can play on phone too lol.

[King_Noctis]

"both cross-play, which is how Legends works right now on every device - you're playing against somebody who could be on any device - and, more importantly, cross-platform progression, which means no matter what you do on any platform, you load up the game and so long as you're logged in, here is all your progression, here is everything you had, everything you were doing.

What he said makes very much sense. You don’t want to make a new account and rebuy everything just to play on the PS4. If crossplay is not allowed, then Sony should at least allow cross progression/cross save.

[lociefer]

Oh noes not the card game ! Think of the children

[Imalwaysright]

Of course its with a card game. Do you think that they would say anything if it was a game that had a budget of millions? This is nothing but free publicity.

[Thundercat77]

I am tired of Bethestha's arrogance against Sony. Always threatening instead of seeking a healthy relationship and at the same time always being openly friendly with Microsoft. They should be transparent on their businesses.

I hope Sony disallow cross play for it so they don't release that game on Playstation. Is their loss.

[King_Noctis]

“Always threatening instead of seeking a healthy relationship”

But they did ask Sony and Sony rejected them. Its not like they didn’t ask anything and decide on their own. You can read a quote from the following:

“Hines then said Bethesda is "always" talking with Sony, Nintendo, Microsoft, Apple, and Google about the issue, taking care to note that he wasn't trying to single Sony out. And yet, Sony is the lone holdout on cross-play and cross-progression.”

[Thundercat77]

Just curious.... Did Bethestha threatened not to release a game on Xbox last Gen when Microsoft refused to cross play?

[Jinger]

Didn't they recently port a couple of their biggest games to the PSVR? And I'm sure they came to Sony with their plea before taking this stand. Sony obviously told them no before they did this.

[twiggytree12]

I had no idea what Elder Scrolls legends was until Bethesda started bitching about cross-play.

[nowitzki2004]

I tried it a while back, after playing Hearthstone, and Gwent. There is no need for ES Legends.

[Lynx0207]

As a PC player I think cross-play is ok. But as a PS4 player, tbh, I don't want it. No, really don't get me wrong, but when I play PS4 game online, I don't want to play with PC users - difference made by fps, controllers and cheating software is too big.

[Mr_Wilson]

This is a card game...

[King_Noctis]

That is why most games that have crossplay also give you the choice to either play with console or PC players.

Also, this is a card game. A freaking card game. Does it make a difference in how high the fps is?

[ChristopherJack]

That's one of the only logical points I've seen here against xplay. But there's always ways around that. Console only lobbies for example.

In the long term, I'd be more interested in xplay to prevent or at least slow down ghost lobbies. I really enjoyed AvP on the PS3 for example but after the first few months, could never find a game again.

The PS4 is popular so major releases will take time to run into these issues but it is inevitable & I'd imagine already happening in less popular regions on earlier or more niche games this gen.

[TheGamingArt]

If they were to do this with a large title (something that mattered), I would boycott their games. Simple as that. They’re the ones loosing money, not Sony.

[jimbost79]

They won't do it with their big guns. Imagine as a business decision, to voluntarily abandon 2/3 of your potential buyers.
They can, like a little dog, just yap yap yap, over a game who's sales wont amount to much.
Why would the big 3rd party devs keep their games of sony systems if they didn't allow cross play with Xbox?
I dont think they would.

[Atanasrikard]

how do they lose 2/3 of their potential buyers? I mean, according to every fanboy on here, they have a super duper mega computer so they don't need an xbox so Bethesda must not need PlayStation since you all have these computers.

[jimbost79]

Sorry mate i just cant make any sense of what you're trying to say?

[Bhuahahaha]

lol as if there where tens of thousands people who where dying to play this on console

its just a marketing campaign to put this card game on radar

[gazgriff2k12]

blah blah blah!

[rob-GP]

All the media outlets are once again twisting what was said to meet their agenda of trying to make Sony look like the bad guy. The actual quote was that the ‘answer’ could be dire, not the ‘situation’. He’s saying the answer may be that the PS4 doesn’t get another free to play card game which is plagued with micro transactions. That’s all.

Also, fallout 76 isn’t a cross play multiplayer game. It’s multiplatform but each platform has its own independent multiplayer.

[ShadowWolf712]

I'm just gonna say this.

The Cross-play Camp would likely make more headway if they would drop the out-and-out hyperbole about the feature and how it's literally the end for Sony if they don't do it. Especially as most people just do not care enough to let that significantly impact a purchase decision.

Just explain how it's beneficial and leave it at that. If the market truly wants it, they will speak. This whole "Sony is potentially DOOMING THEMSELVES next gen if they do not fully implement this feature!" thing is head-scratchingly silly.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

Anyone who thinks Sony is doomed over this is nuts....the brand is too strong worldwide and most it's not a big deal. People live in their little bubbles.

[ChristopherJack]

Complacency is the patient killer. Too big to fail just doesn't exist. Not saying xplay will end Sony's dominance but next gen is a mostly fresh slate & if Sony is the only major player not supporting xplay (not that Microsoft & Nintendo are all in either at the point), well it'd put Sony at a disadvantage when the casual gamers are trying to work out how they're going to play FIFA 2099, Cod MW8 & FORTNITE2 with their mates.

Sony's first party lineup & reputation will carry them far, as you can see by the posts on this site, but that only represents a minorities opinion & that alone won't carry them forever.

[Neonridr]

Good, I hope they force Sony's hand to make some changes. Otherwise Sony can make that choice to live without these games.

[ShadowWolf712]

Company already has more cross-play titles than the competition put together but hey...

[Neonridr]

which company? Please elaborate..

I am simply saying that we live in an age where technology easily allows everyone to play against anyone. Why do we honestly want to block that? I don't understand the insecurities here. That doesn't mean you will suddenly stop supporting your console of choice, just gives you an added benefit as a gamer.

[King_Noctis]

I don’t see big games like Rocket League, Fortnite, and Minecraft have crossplay with that “company” though.

[Redemption-64]

@ Neonridr
You know the company you are talking about

[ShadowWolf712]

@KingNoctis PS4 Rocket League has Cross-Play with PC. They announced that long before it even released.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

What a shocker it's bethesda doing this...they have been so far up MS ass since they entered the console business. After saying that Sony's cross play stance needs work, but I don't think an ultimatum in public is a good look for any company. It is always bethesda who seems to speak out against every thing sony does wrong but they remained silent and any MS mis -steps...

It sure is being blown out of proportion though..seems MS fans are so desperate for a win this is what they are clinging too lol.

[The7Reaper]

Bethesda has been getting very cocky and pouty at the same time lately. The best games I've played this generation haven't even had Bethesda near them so they should sit down until they make a good product.

[ocelot07]

Well I am sure Sony are use to Bethesda's BS.

1, Vampire Glitch never fixed on the PS3 version of the game (Oblivion)
2, Not all DLC was released on PS3 version of Oblivion. The 2 that did release was never available to buy on the UK store you had to buy the GOTY edition to play them.
3, Fallout 3 DLC for PS3 took months probably a year to arrive. When they did I think all but one where full of bugs.
4, Skyrim PS3 version has a save issue at launch. Where if you played it for around 20 hours or so they game would crash constantly. We had to wait for a fair few weeks for them to fix it.
5, Skyrim DLC took forever to release on PS3 and yet again full of bugs when they finally did.
6, Fallout Shelter didn't release on PS4 up until June of this year.

So yer if Bethesda cancel the PS4 version. Don't worry PS4 fans and Sony are use to this sort of stuff from Bethesda.

[Speak_da_Truth]

I'm not even a fan of their games lol. The only Bethesda games I've completed where Doom & Wolfestein. I've never even heard about this card game they're talking about.

[SuperJay182]

Would cross-play be a nice feature to have? Yes
Is it critical that Sony does it? Judging by sales, evidently not
Does Sony 'HAVE' to because gamers said so? No

Other than making a portion of gamers happy, Sony has no interest in sharing as it could potentially mean people don't buy games on their console which is bad for business.

[jaycptza]

I do hope SONY draws the lien so we can see what happens. I'm with SONY on this one

[AsunaYuukiTheFlash]

Gtfo Bugthesda .We don’t like your low quality games anyway. Why don’t you use some of those $ to hire a better game tester?

[peterdawa]

I don't care about crossplay and I care less for developers that seem to have some agenda by forcing a stand off. Don't release it on ps. It's ridiculous, I hardly know anyone demanding this feature yet it's now become a major issue for a minority. Ridiculous, buy an X box if the issue is more important than what Sony offers. It's just that simple. No need for bullcrap or hate. I am satisfied with sonys offerings and don't go on and on about what X box should do.

[Mylove1516]

Is crossplay with this game really worth all this commotion? I can play tons of high quality card games from the play store while taking a dump. Mountain out of an ant hill..

Wouldn't this not only be on Sony's shoulder but that of tons of other devs? I don't know how it works %100 but sony is just the middleman and devs and publishers provide their own servers? Is bethesda going to go afters other devs who don't care for cross play because it would stop multi console gamers from buying a second copy? I can see the pros of crossplay but trying to force someones hand by throwing a tantrum is not the best avenue.

[MrVux000]

You know what else is critical?

Fixing the bugfest in your games Bethesda.

[blacktiger]

Nintendo now sues evveryone by large after joining Microsoft.

[senorfartcushion]

Bethesda: "Hey. Remember this?"

*unzips trousers and flops out big willy*

Bethesda are Peacocking lately. I wonder if they've just realised that they own DOOM and Wolfenstein.

[sampsonon]

Sony will win this battle, so i don't understand why this company wants to loose all those future sales?
PS gamers, like myself, will back up Sony on this one because we could careless about crossplay with Xbox.

how dare this company, that is going to peddle this garbage game, start a fight against the beast which is PS?

[sampsonon]

lose*

[Elda]

Get over it Bethesda.

[CertifiedGamer]

I don't think Sony cares about missing out in a card game.

[Kyizen]

Bethesda is not taking the high road if they are sending letters to customers who purchased their games and want to resell them

[bluefox755]

Dire for Bethesda. They'd be tossing aside 80 million potential customers.

[Einhander1971]

Personally I don’t care

[Cohagen420]

Wake us up when its a main entry Elder Scrolls game, more fake news by this Microsoft puppet company.

[Flipflopp]

Bethesda is just trying to make sure the 1 person on Playstation and the 1 person on Xbox have each other to play against when it releases, LMAO.

[SpineSaw]

Bethesda and it's anti-consumer, greed BS. They need to stop trying to force people to bend to their will. Sony will not bend. And no one that has a PS4 wants to be forced to spend time with people on the lesser platforms like Xbox, phones "although PC is fine" for any reason. Bethesda, if you can't play nice Please keep your trash card game off the PlayStation Store and move on to the lesser platforms. It really is best for all.

[Silly gameAr]

If Bethesda really felt like cross play was so important, then why are they only using a card game to be standoffish, and not their games that people will actually play like Fallout and Doom? Not sure what has Bethesda's acting like a gaming industry diva, but I think they need to chill. They're not Nintendo.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Good. So much for "for the players" or "greatness awaits" PR bullshit.

[MasterCornholio]

We still had great exclusives though. That’s what those slogans were about.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

LOl it's just marketing ..it's not that deep.

[russo121]

Why do you care if you don't own a PS4? if you had one, you would easily realize no need for xplay.

[Legatus]

Hahahahaahahaha so much saltiness in these green fanatics, all those awesome Sony exclusives and killing their precious xbox in sales hurt them pretty bad so they cling on anything to downplay Sony and PS4, you can see how they vent these frustrations that has been mounting from the start of this gen in these comments.

[flaming_scorpion]

It’s just like when Fallout 4 was coming out and there was that whole Sony fiasco about mod support

[VendettaGamer]

fairly dire..............really.

[monkeyfox]

I feel like Bethesda are just deflecting the bad pr from the begining of the week.

It would be great if we could all play with each other but it's not a deal breaker.

You don't need subscription to play fortnite (for example) on ps4 but you do on xbox. SONY allows cross play with pc which has biggest user base out of any platform. Fuck xbox. Nintendo have nothing to loose and everything to gain with their small user base so that's why they are offering cross play with xbox.

[pinkystinkinc]

nintendo micro soft and bethesda ganging up to beat up the fat kid

[Mr_Luke]

Aha... my predictions are that this game will be dead in about 3-4 months from the release, there are better games around. And i'm being optimistic. And about the cross-play, if Bethesda became another crybaby and won't release the game on PS4... well, does anyone actually care? Not talking about Xbone fanboys (that will run to put downvotes as usual, since they keep blabbling about this crossplay thing), talking about PS4 owners.

[Platformgamer]

oh bethesda... first, you tried to block used copies of your games to be selled, now this cross-play bullshit again?
go fuck yourself bethesda

[NickAwesome]

Since playstation is the dominant force this gen, doesn't look like a good business decision to not release your game on their console, but hey bethesda lately is making a ton of bad decisions lately: fallout 76 online only with no npc is a bad decision, to go against used games is a bad decision, to not work on dishonored 3 is also bad decision, Sony on other hand is doing really really good lately!

[zodiac909]

Who gives a shit about Legends though LOL

[Stanjara]

Not concerned, not interested in those games anyway. As far as I've seen games as service aren't the service for players. Not paying for unfinished product.

[Old_Prodigy]

I can't seem to understand why any dev would want cross play. The more platforms for their product, the more sales right? Especially a dev like bethesda. I mean they've only got a few multiplayer titles under their belt as it is.

[Gwiz]

It's pretty easy,it will make always online more accepted by demand to play with friends
(I can tell you right now that Bethesda supported MS's vision with the launch Xbox One but not necessarily the Kinect)
Do not underestimate the psychological warfare a company CAN apply,just looking at how lootboxes are implemented with rigged progress mechanics.

[VTKC]

Dont need cross play. What is it with pushing this? Rival console owners will not get on with each other. Always with the childish bickering on which is better etc. Now gamers will have extra choirs to do, muting and blocking players, reporting them, deleting hate mail. And as if we dont have to do those enough already.

If Sony bends to this then it will only mean more ransoms or ultimatums in future. Do not retract decisions as a company that big to such a demand.

[Surt]

Oh give a bleeding rest. Cross play has never been on the lips for that past bleeding years till Fortnut came around. Now everyone is like "survive together!" Like is a banner to gather around. When actually just makes people sneer with "cause obviously you can'y survive alone"

[neomahi]

"We do not negotiate with terrorists." You really think Sony's gonna let you tell them how to run their business? They're destroying Microsoft that let's the industry, either, tell them how to do business or really have no clue and are completely out of touch with gamers and the industry, I mean they just bought Compulsion Games after consumers told them how to do their job and We Happy Few hasn't been doing so hot with reviews.

Let's face it, Microsoft are completely incompetent and only snap at something (like Minecraft) when it's proven, not necessarily to take a chance. Look at "The Road to E3" feature on the Gears of War bonus disc, yeah, Microsoft suits--that know the industry, right -- nearly sabotaged Gears of War that is now their main staple. That's the most perfect example of Microsoft I've seen, and it's on YouTube. If Microsoft are so smart, why are they lagging so far behind.

[Twinblade]

Fuck cross-play

[EpicFruityPie]

I'm not bothered about cross play don't care one bit

[Biunpe05]

Yeah sure, they're gonna give up 80% of the market because there's no cross play. Not in a million years, there is simply too many players on PS4 to ignore.

Facts are facts

[Biunpe05]

And all this over some wack ass card game?? Get real....

[SixFragz]

It'll be dire for Bethesda and Micro$oft.

Let it be dire.

[Goldenarmz]

I have yet to play a game that has cross platform. But will we be able to actually find a friend whos playing on a different console? Like if i have it on xbox one and i want to play a specific friend thats playing on PS4 can i locate them? Or is it jus that the people your playing with randomly could possibly be playing on pc, ps4, xbox one, switch etc.?

[Darkborn]

We can honestly go without a super glitchy and broken game for PS4. Bethesda always makes sure the Microsoft version is pretty good and spends like a week on the PlayStation version..

[MAULxx]

Bethesda is really starting to sound & act like big A-Holes not only toward Sony but to their own customers.

[djsilke45]

Threats?

[Dizzy11523]

How about XBOX gets Final Fantasy XIV on board already?

[Sayai jin]

Oh the meltdown. Calm down people, they are not people, they are companies.

[Tross]

Dire for Bethesda maybe. Not for Sony. Bethesda would be fools to skip the system with the highest user base anyways.

[EricLane]

I thought Sony's problem was with forcing PSN players to create a Microsoft gamertag. If true, maybe they could make some type of new login system for this situation.

[Magog]

Totally unrelated but does anyone know which Italian sites are linked here? There was one with a guy named Filip writing for it (not Miucin) I am trying to find.

[FPS_D3TH]

Lmao threatening with a card game? Wake me up when it’s something worth caring about.

[Miacosa]

Dire of this game cause very few people care about it really.

[darx]

Weird that supposed gamers would be against crossplay. Gamers win! boneheads!

[Silly gameAr]

If this was only about crossplay, it wouldn't be a problem. People like to close their eyes to shady stuff when the shady stuff benefits them, if you know what I mean.

[CrimsonGuardVII]

Bethesda i like your games, but you need to stfu, you have the worst customer support in history and your servers for eso is beyond trash its just down right lazy. and we know why you skipped steam for f76, its bc you don't offer a money back if your games suck, just wait till you see f76 amazing lag, there servers cant even handle eso vivec pc, which suck. i mean suck, i hear all the time my ping is 400 and that considered good on there.(PVP) i mean really?

[Wallow]

Thank you Betheseda for reigniting this, Sony needs to just get on the cross-play bandwagon already and stop being so stubborn.

[agnosticgamer]

Reading the posts... Once again... all bias posts bashing Bethesda and even MS is brought up in some posts? Yet if anyone actually read the article probably 90% of these comments are irrelevant… as a matter of fact the headline is pretty misleading... but again the 90% that only read and comment off the headline are morons... I can't believe the moderators on this site... No wonder this message board is a joke...

[Persian_Immortal]

This is the same article regurgitated for the ten thousandth time just with a slight modification, if you read 1 you have read them all same narrative, same plagiarized articles sound like they were all written by the same person. Yet they always forget to mention Sony was the pioneer of Cross-Play during the PS2 gen bringing console and PC gamers together, and a quick search tells you Sony has the most Cross-Play supported games, with PC, Mac, IOS and Android, I mean let say Sony does allow Cross-Play what will be the next propaganda pieces why is The Last Of Us part 2, Death Stranding and Spider-Man not on Xbox one, Ghost Of Tsushima needs to be on Switch Sony is anti-consumer blah blah, the goal post moving will only continue.

[Vizigoth04]

Cherry-Picking. Fallout 76 is like whatever, is way more appealing than a card game but the card game is some much more important because it's platform is playable on mobile. Let's not mention that the more appealing game (Fallout 76) will outsell the competition most likely 2 to 1 and is not even playable on Switch. Where is the outcry for that? I think if Sony were to budge on Crossplay it would be to require a PlayStation Plus account. Other than I could really care less.

[Thomaticus]

This is the same Bethesda that's placed loot crates in Fallout 76, and now in the same week, they're fighting for gamer's right to have crossplay.

[bigmalky]

ESO was mediocre, Fallout 4 was mediocre... Not interested in an online Fallout either or a sodding card game.

No big loss, and I'm sure your sales will take a huge dive if the consequences are to stop releasing on the most popular platform in gaming at the minute.

[inxine]

what? how so? im sure bethesda is more than fine without cross play

[madpuppy]

Yeah, Dire for Bethesda. All that sweet, sweet 75 million PS4 sales gone like a puff of smoke if they keep trying to manipulate Sony.

[Shineon]

PlayStation is wack

[pyroxxx]

A card game ,.. I am on a suicide watch.