Microsoft's New Next Gen Console, has Me Deluded

GeeksULTD says: Microsoft recently teased their next-generation of consoles. Typically, Microsoft and Sony would announce their next-generation of consoles every 6-7 years. This generation was nothing short of a roller-coaster. Not only did Sony’s and Microsoft’s decisions look horrible, but they left many to be confused about the future of gaming consoles. Both Microsoft and Sony announced major upgrades to their consoles. Both companies manufactured new consoles capable of running their games at 4K. Not only that, but they also introduced HDR too.

[IamTylerDurden1]

XB1X is 8 months old, how is the Next Box coming out any time soon? I don't believe 2019 is possible, nor do i believe 2020 is likely. I believe PS5 in 2020 and Next Box 2021.

[porkChop]

Microsoft won't make the mistake of going first. They know they have to be much smarter and more competitive next gen.

[MasterCornholio]

Going first worked very well for them with the 360.

[morganfell]

They won't go first again and it will actually cost them. This isn't like last time. If as many suspect the PS5 is fully backwards compatible out of the box, MS will be behind an 8 ball from which they will never escape. A console a year later will not be significant enough to make a difference in a world where it isn't about power but games. Honest people realize the supposed 5 studio acquisitions did little for MS when 4 of those studios were already making Xbox games and the 5th will not have a game ready until after the PS5 releases. When the next Xbox does drop, Sony with a huge stable of games, will be ready for its first price cut. A year after that they preview an upgrade. And they keep hammering the games.

[Sgt_Slaughter]

@Master: Going first hurt them so badly last time, and going first at E3 hurt them. Why would they go first for a third time?

[quenomamen]

I think the last 4 years has shown how smart they are.

[Brazz]

So, you think they are going to give sony 1 year advantage?

[Muzikguy]

There’s no way they’d give Sony a head start of that much. You think they can pull a PS3?

[S2Killinit]

MS will not make the mistake of going at the same time as PS5. They dont want a head to head.

[Omnislashver36]

We're reaching diminishing returns in so many ways right now. If MS really wants a good game they need to invest in their studios so they can make them. Games like The Last of Us II aren't going exist without a team willing to make it! Having 33% more power will be negligible just as it is right now. Despite being the weaker console Sony's games look far better.

MS knows this and likely won't let Sony get the upper hand by releasing a year early.

[ocelot07]

They didn't go first this gen did they? Sound revealed the PS4 in like March 2013 then Microsoft announced the XB1 at E3 the same year. Then Sony released the PS4 in the US like a week before the XB1 and then a 1 week after the XB1 in Europe.

[nucky64]

mastercornholio - RROD disaster and the 360 still ended up in last place.

[nix]

This has been MS pretty much this gen. Talks about Xbox being important but still releases games on PC. Talks about exclusives being important but cancels games. Talks about Xbox X being important but immediately talks about new console. Talks about listening to the gamers... Let me leave that to your imagination.

[porkChop]

Guys, I never said Microsoft would give Sony a head start. I said they won't go first. They're likely not going to show the console until Sony shows the PS5. And they'll probably launch around the same time.

[Ju]

Lol. People have faith in MS... All their money didn't change the fact an over engineered Xbox One release after the original PS4. Then they put all their engineering eggs in the next basket to create the most expensive mid gen upgrade, just to get surprised by a much cheaper Pro a year earlier. You think MS would not have delivered the X a year earlier if they actually could have? And now magically, those MS geniuses will release a whole new platform in about 2 years while Sony has actually Ryzen / Navi silicon at hand now? Nah. I don't think so. But good luck.

[ClanPsi1]

Going first and being cheaper are the only reasons the 360 sold as well as it did.

[ABizzel1]

If MS was smart they would go first and get a hadstart on the competition like they did with the 360, because unless they can build the XB4 to be more powerful and still the same price or cheaper than the PS5, then they've already lost the console race next-gen.

North America is the only region they can win in. Last-gen Xbox 360 dominated with 50m sold after surpassing Wii's 45m with PS3 last possibly crossing 30m sold. This generation the PS4 is leading, with XBO not too far behind and Wii U dead last with the Switch substituting for it. Being more powerful and the same price would likely be just like this generation, but with XB4 leading PS5 as PS4 is currently leading XBO.

EU will always be PlayStation land and Sony will have a commanding lead against XB there regardless.

XBox is dead in JP and will be lucky to sell 500k units lifetime, whereas that's an easy 5m - 10m units.

RoW again is PlayStation land as well, unless a new region brings in millions of sales for Xbox (aka China).

So the mistake would be for Xbox to launch after PS5. Their best chance at maximizing sales would be launching before PS5 or launching at the same time with better hardware at the same price.

[RacerX]

The next generation of GPU architecture isn't ready yet, with that being the case, there is no "generational leap" available for consoles yet. Nvidia or AMD need to have their next Gen available before consoles have something to jump to. Currently, the X1X isn't too far off the GTX 1080 ti... There's no leap above the 1080 ti right now (commercially).

[Obscure_Observer]

@MasterCornholio

"Going first worked very well for them with the 360."

More like "Sony screwed things up" with their 599 price tag.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Brazz

"So, you think they are going to give sony 1 year advantage?"

Of course they will. Microsoft can play the wait game. They just bought 5 new studios. Don´t need to rush things. Let the developers have their time so they can deliver the best.

Let Sony have it. After the success of the PS4, Sony wil probably still dominate next gen out the gate anyway.

Take your time Xbox team.

[MasterCornholio]

@Obscure

The 360 came out a year before the PS3. Don't tell me that didn't give them a sales advantage until Sony's system came out.

[Obscure_Observer]

@MasterCornholio

"The 360 came out a year before the PS3. Don't tell me that didn't give them a sales advantage until Sony's system came out."

True. But you can´it possibly believe that the 360 would stand a chance against the PS3 if Sony has not screw things up big time with their 599 price tag. Not after the PS2.

If Microsoft go first, then i can see things repeating itself with the PS5 and Xbox One X2. The only (major) difference, is that this time, Sony will not screw things up.

The best course of action for Microsoft, is to let Sony have the headstart and focus on deliver great first party games from their new studios and bring serious competition to Sony.

[ThanatosDMC]

Innovation was never MSFT strong point. More like buy someone else's idea/company and pretend it's theirs.

[LordMaim]

Going first isn't necessarily a mistake. But there's no damn way that either company would be a year late to the table. That's suicidal.

[Godmars290]

And yet they can't go after Sony and keeping the same level of momentum they have now, which is none.

The only reason they can't go first would be repeating the "mistake" of the XB1. The Next Box being underpowered compared to the PS5. Nevermind that its not power that's given MS push post E3 but commitments of direct support for the next console. Games that they haven't been giving to the XB1 or XBX.

[yeahright2]

Gotta give credit where it's due though. Seems like they're finally listening to fans rather than fanboys. The fanboys told them that they were losing because of power, but really that's what they were getting beat up on in comment sections by other fanboys. the fanboys told them that halo/gears/forza was enough, that multiplats was all anyone played.
But thankfully it looks like they actually dug a little deeper past the loud voices to get to what their real fans were saying, it's about games, not power. And that single player games do indeed have a place, enter ninja theory.
Now MS has screwed stuff like this up before, and if i'm being honest, they probably will this go around as well, but at least I can see that they actually hear the other voices that aren't as loud. Hopefully they listen and follow through.
Backhanded compliment I know, but that's the best I got for them right now. They don't have a high level of trust with me.

[Da12RespectA]

This makes sense

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Xbox One X will be the best console when Scarlet launches. There will be full backward and forward compatibility between both devices.

[MasterCornholio]

Wouldn't Scarlet be better than the Xbox One X due to the console being more powerful than it's predecessor?

[kreate]

Backwards compatible to Xbox X? Or all Xbox one series?

[UltraNova]

It floats...

[OB1Biker]

Ps5 will launch when new gen components are ready, prob 2020.
Do you think its worth it for Xbox to wait for one more year? If yes, why? Genuine question.
They clearly don't mind releasing iterative consoles.

[Ju]

It'll be 2019. All that's missing is the 7nm manufacturing. But the design is basically finished. MS is probably betting that AMD and Sony can't build 7nm for a 2019 release... I'd say even if true, a first iteration could go 12nm to keep the timeline.

[ABizzel1]

Waiting an extra year will give them a more powerful GPU (up to 50% more powerful), possibly a better cooling system which could result in a a higher clocked CPU, and possibly higher clocked RAM (16GB GDDR6 will be the maximum).

So the XB4 would be more powerful which would be nice....

But that would come at the expense of giving the PS5 a full year of sales to itself which could easily give the PS5 a 15m - 20m lead against the XB4 by the time it launches. A marketshare lead they will never be able to recover from without a tragic issue occurring with the PS5.

As much as it would suck for XBO-X owners, MS best bet would be to launch first in 2019. Otherwise they have to launch day and date with PS5 in 2020 and either be cheaper or the same price and more powerful. Those are the only way for them to compete globally, because North America will be neck and neck.

[Obscure_Observer]

@OB1Biker

"Do you think its worth it for Xbox to wait for one more year? If yes, why? Genuine question."

Ninja Theory - new IP
Rare - new IP
Undead Labs - State of Decay 3 or new IP
Compulsion Games - new IP
The Initiative - new IP
343i - Halo Infinite

Just to name a few. ;)

[OB1Biker]

@ABizzel
I can understand releasing later (though I don't really feel it!). But I'm sorry, releasing the year before PS5 doesn't make sense at all.

@Obscure
Very good points

[AgeInTheCage]

Microsoft dont care, they killed off the original XBOX after 3 in a half years to launch 360 a year earlier than ps3.

You guys conveniently forget that fact.

[amazinglover]

Both MS and Sony said that the X and Pro where just mid cycle refreshes, I am under the felling that if PS3 didn't do so bad in terms of sales they lost money on every console sold because of the cell processor and if the 360 didn't have such a huge red ring problem these are the consoles we would have gotten in the beginning. Instead they both played it safe and gave us under powered consoles to try and not repeat the mistakes from the last generation of consoles.

[ClanPsi1]

The problem isn't when it's coming, it's that they announced it already. It makes it look like they're abandoning the current generation (though I suppose one could argue that they abandoned current gen years ago), which would piss me the f*ck off if I was someone who had bought an XBone.

[DerekTweed]

Good thing you don't have one then. No reason to be pissed off.

Anyway, they didn't "announce" it, Phil Spencer just said they are still designing it, specs are not final, it is not in production and there is no release date.

I think it was just a way of saying that Microsoft are not doing away with console generations just yet or that they are dropping out of the console space. Like some people would like to believe.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

@DerekTweed,

This, they're still thinking about what specs they might have and how it'll all work together, they might have some concepts designs in the works, I imagine it's still too early to have a mock up or put out dev kits.

[3-4-5]

2020.

These people who write about games don't even understand them.

[Obscure_Observer]

@IamTylerDurden1

"I believe PS5 in 2020 and Next Box 2021."

Exactly! Phil Spencer just talked about the next Xbox console to shut the mouth of the naysayers that was spelling BS about Microsoft leaving the console market!

They are chocking on crow, now. ;)

[darthv72]

The X itself may be 8 months old but the XBO platform as a whole is nearly 5 years old. Same for the PS4. Sony is working on the PS5 and everyone knows it, they just didn't announce any details. MS did to let people know they are making a new console and not getting out of the console market due to the performance of the XBO as a whole.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Microsoft is definitely in a bind. If they launch first, they run the risk of being underpowered against PS5. And still being caught in sales worldwide.

If they launch later, they run the risk of getting left behind in sales based on Sony's market dominance worldwide in non English speaking countries.

As for gamers, I wouldn't take what these companies say as gospel. Sony told Microsoft that they wouldn't launch first this Gen
https://www.google.com/amp/...
http://www.lowballgames.com...

Sony then launched their attack and launched earlier with a well made console and strategy that was easy for developers and for allowing vr. Causing massive back peddling from Microsoft. Then did it again with vr as gamers were wondering why there was a light on the controller. Then, not only announcing Pro,but launched it over a year and a half before Microsoft could respond. Making Xbox one x's impact minimal.

Bluray was in place, larger hdds were inexpensive, ps plus could match Xbox live but offer more value with free games, and no exotic hardware for developers to learn.

Just because Sony said they won't launch PS5 soon doesn't mean they won't if they see a good opportunity.

Microsoft's only chance is to continue to buy up development tools like havok,github,playfab,simplygon ,etc that force developers to work with them, store their software in the cloud and gain an advantage. They're basically still wanting to be the company in the background collecting royalty checks while doing minimal work.

Maybe they should buy Intel, AMD or Nvidia for further disruption before next Gen consoles. They can't beat Sony by normal means. They would have to control the technology and software behind the hardware and software. Or hope a trade war makes the next playstation too expensive to buy.

[Gazondaily]

"Then, not only announcing Pro,but launched it over a year and a half before Microsoft could respond. Making Xbox one x's impact minimal. "

Don't think Pro's early release caused any problems for MS. The Pro was always in the Scorprio's shadows and since then that perception has worsened owing to the X decisively outperforming it.

There's also another possibility you haven't considered; both consoles launching at the same time, like they did this gen. MS will be aware, as you say, about what Sony did this gen regarding launching early.

Sony doesn't need the PS5 to be as powerful as the Nextbox so that might be something Sony will bear in mind. MS however will want to tout as many advantages over its competitors and power is going to be a big one.

It will be interesting to see how things pan out. We could have a really interesting hardware war between the two raging on the background right now. Come release, there's going to be a lot of developments/drama based on power, price and release dates.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Pros release made Xbox one x's year and a half late arrival minimal. or MS would be talking about sales by shouting from the rooftops. If it was a launch console, then yes. Didn't happen that way. They launched with kinect instead.

Being aware is one thing. Selling your hardware more than Sony in non english speaking countries is another. How many xboxes in japan again?

MS's problem is that Sony has worldwide recognition. They make games from beginning to end and manufacture for 10 years.

You're right. Sony doesn't need the power advantage as it was never what got them to win console generations multiple times. It was the games and mindshare worldwide. Which is the same for Nintendo. Never was about power.

[Strange_Evil]

MS should release the numbers then. I'm willing to bet even in the last 6 months, the PS4 Pro outsold the One X. Sony launching the Pro a good year in advance put them in a great position. They now can launch a PS5 in late 2019 or early 2020 and still have a good lot of people jumping on it since the PS4 Pro would be 4 years old by then.

On the other hand, if MS launches the next Xbox in 2019, that would literally be a slap to the One X owners with a new console launching 2 years in the lifecycle.

[Ju]

What are you talking about. The Pro gave PlayStation gamers a reasonable enough upgrade path which Sony could have otherwise lost to MS and the X. Of course it has an impact. X doesn't sell that we'll, now does it? But judging from N4G, all of you have already upgraded, now, haven't you?

$500 smh

[ClanPsi1]

Correction: Non-USA countries. The XBone isn't competitive in any other markets.

[DivineAssault]

I dont think it matters what their next console is. Unless they have the marketshare majority, games will be developed for PS5 first and foremost. Just like the xb1x. Games can look better but dont blow anything away like it could/should. Not even MS made anything to highlight its power

[343_Guilty_Spark]

That’s straight up false.

[TFJWM]

How is it false when the best looking console games are on the weaker pro?

[AgeInTheCage]

SHow us some pics of how great these games look on YOUR xboxone x...... Bet you cant because youre a troll and still sporting the OGxboxone like the rest of us.

[DigitalRaptor]

Practically every big Sony exclusive makes the Pro sing, and only really the Forza games make the 1X sing.

Despite a lot of current releases on 1X outperforming it, the PS4 Pro still has the most enhanced games compared the the 1X. It's just like PS4 at launch, it had more games and games that were made for it and continues to.

[DerekTweed]

Assassins Creed: Origins looks better on my X than Horizon Zero Dawn does on my Pro

[Obscure_Observer]

@DivineAssault

"Not even MS made anything to highlight its power"

Nothing but native 4K for 95% of Xbox One and now games will be developed using the X base hardware and the results will come in a form of 60fps mode for Forza Horizon 4. And don´t even get me started on enhanced 360 and OG Xbox games for the X.

You clearly don´t have idea what propper support means.

[Alucard_420]

Actually please do, also I'd like facts to every game that is 60 FPS and all that are Native 4k but not the 360 or OG xbox games, that is easy to achieved. Just today's standard games please. Also Provided links to claim your 95% of games that are native 4k with 60 FPS.

[DivineAssault]

Hahaha this guy

[Alucard_420]

all talk no show right

[Chevalier]

@Obscure

95%?! Not even close. That is just BS you're making up.

http://m.ca.ign.com/wikis/x...

https://www.google.ca/amp/s...

http://m.ca.ign.com/wikis/x...

Yeah official list more than half the games are 'enhanced' NOT true 4K like you suggest. Fact.

[Obscure_Observer]

@Alucard_420

"Also Provided links to claim your 95% of games that are native 4k with 60 FPS."

I didn´t said nothing about games native 4K WITH 60FPS.

DivineAssault said:

"Not even *MS* made *ANYTHING* to highlight its power"

What i said:

"Nothing but native 4K for 95% of Xbox One and now games will be developed using the X base hardware and the results will come in a form of 60fps mode for Forza Horizon 4"

He said MICROSOFT which means FIRST PARTY GAMES! Now, do your research and come back to me and prove me wrong! Have a Look at the LIST of first party games ENHANCED for the X and tell if 95% those games or MORE aren´t native 4K! Some of those games has 60FPS mode!

Here, let me help you:

https://www.xbox.com/en-us/...

Again! Prove me wrong! I dare you!

[Alucard_420]

again maybe I should of worded differently, but that list is horse#&$% it says nothing about the games FPS, so you're not fully answering my first part to my question which was show facts about the FPS. MS is pulling your strings like a puppet. Maybe you should change your name to puppetboy

[Obscure_Observer]

@Alucard_420

I knew it! Since you can´t prove me wrong, you had no other choice but to resort to Argumentum ad hominem, hu? Smh.

I done with you. This conversation is over.

[Alucard_420]

I am not trying to prove you wrong I want you to do it for me, where are the 60 FPS games list??? I did ask for that as well didn't I??? Go ahead and pull a MS and twist the words to your liking. Is MH World 60 FPS no it is not, and no list can be found online about how many games actually has 60 FPS even here some games states 60 FPS but doesn't confirm that the majority of the games do : https://www.gamesradar.com/...

[corroios]

Microsoft will have Huge problems to explain to casual gamers the reason to buy the next box, if they can get the X at half price and it runs also at 4k????? The next gen forza will run at 8k? Nope. If i can play it already at 4k60frames why would i buy the next box?????

[ShottyatLaw]

That's why they're in a pretty good position. They will say: Buy the Xbox X then, it plays all the same games!

There, problem solved. The interesting question to me is will their competitor be able to provide a big enough leap over the X for the asking price?

I expect PS5 to go for 4k/60 just like the next Xbox. MS isn't making money off the X for $450 right now. So what kind of leap can be accomplished in the near future at a good price?

I expect "next gen" for MS to be a X1s for $150, an X1X, for $300, and an Xb2 for $500. The S will be phased out much more slowly and organically than what we've seen traditionally.

If you want 4k Xbox gaming in 2021, you'll have an economy level console or a premium model. Sounds smart to me. Good for gamers, devs, and MS to keep the options for entry into the ecosystem open.

[mcstorm]

Your spot on I see Microsoft making a new console every 3 to 4 years from now on but dropping one off after 6 years example the Xbox one. But what people are also forgetting is the services coming to pc to. Microsoft have a great stance going forward. That said they new need the mix of IPS to get it there. People also forget it took Sony a long time time get the right IPS but also had quite a lot of flops to. Mnr, psasbr, lbp3 on the PS4 as well as games like DC not selling well to. On the flip side they had master peace's like uc2, TLoU, GOW as well as some of the already big names like GT.

Microsoft have gears, halo and 2 Forza games which do well but can't expand them so game alike SoT the new IP PG are working on as well as the 4 other studos to.

Interesting times in all 3 camps imo and I can't wait to see what Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft do next.

[ShottyatLaw]

Fully agree. If they're smart, they will align a big new IP with the launch of their next hardware to get people excited. Maybe the Initiative's new title will be ready? By opening up the ecosystem to forward compatibility, those who weren't into this generation of Xbox might be tempted by an economic entry point if a big new IP draws them in.

They won't have the same impact we typically see from hardware generation. But because this new approach benefits gamers and devs, I'm not too heartbroken over it.

It'll be interesting to see what both Sony and MS do in the coming years.

[Ju]

Yeah. Right. More geniuses who know how the console business works. Sure, release a $150 console with a 0 margin so you can sell 95% of your product without making money. Then, the remaining 5% will totally carry the big chunk of your business. Great strategy. Oh wait.

[ShottyatLaw]

@Ju

I might need that translated.

The Xb1S is 199-249 right now. Maybe I am a genius, because in 2020-21 it will be $150. If they can still sell games for it, they'll make money they like they do now.

Most consoles sell with "0 margin." The money isn't in the hardware. You know that, right?

[Ju]

A 199 + bundles still has a hard time outselling the PS4. Anyhow. Dropping it to 150 will be suicide because it will cannibalize the next gen you want to release. There is no money in a sub 150 product. It will hardly grow the market. All it'll do is cut into the next gen. If you think that's a smart move, go ahead. You should apply for the business strategiest. But I guess it's not going to happen

[ShottyatLaw]

If it plays the same games, and it's the games that make money, then I think they'll be just fine. I don't see offering options as a bad thing for consumers or their own bottom line.

You can buy a wide range of graphics cards for PC. In that space, it's seen as a smart move to offer budget cards and high end cards. Why shouldn't consoles take advantage of the same? Not everyone can or wants to buy into the high end 400-500 system. But if you can still get them into the ecosystem by offering a budget option, then that's pretty smart.

And if you pay more than $150 for an Xb1s or PS4 in 2020-21, then you're in need of more than a strategist.

[ABizzel1]

@ShottyaLaw

For $499 we should be looking at a Quad-Core / Eight thread Ryzen CPU, Vega GPU 12 - 15 TFLOPS (by 2020), and 16GB of GDDR6.

That's a 4x - 5x performance boost for the CPU
2x - 2.5x the GPU performance over the XBO-X,
And an additional 4GB of RAM at a much faster bandwidth

The XBO-X will not be able to render the same games being made for the new consoles at the same 4K resolution, so it will be downgraded to a 4K streaming / Blu Ray console with games at Beyond Full HD resolutions (1440p - 1800p).

The big issue this strategy will have is if Next-Gen games really push those CPUs, because those games will have to be downgraded on physics, AI, and more to the point where some games will be 60fps on the PS5 / XB4, and forced to be 30fps on the XBO-X and PS4 Pro.

And speaking of the Pro this same strategy can be used by Sony and have the Pro as their 1080p @ 30fps console that cost just $249 in 2020.

[ABizzel1]

@Corroios

It won't run at 4K on the XBO-X if that's the target for the XB4. The GPU simply couldn't keep up with the newer version at the resolution, and the CPU couldn't handle the improvements to the same degree a Ryzen CPU could.

The next-gen consoles will be aiming for 4k @ 30 - 60fps, and the enhanced consoles will be reduced to 1440p @ 30 - 60fps for XBO-X (up to Dynamic 4K), and 1080p @ 30 - 60fps for PS4 Pro (up to dynamic 4k).

[ShottyatLaw]

I agree to a large extent. We'll hopefully see indies and less graphically intense games continue hitting 4kish territory on the X in the future, but I see it dipping to 1440 or 1080 on most intensive games. Not a bad economic entry point, though.

They'll still market it at 4k of course. The S is where I'd worry about FPS, but as much as they are pushing for scalability, 720p 60fps should be possible for most games with some big concessions elsewhere.

Fully agree about the Pro, too. Sony would be smart to do the same imo.

[quenomamen]

How is anybody surprised ? They have put out 3 consoles in 5 years. Think its safe to say they are working with a full deck.

[Moe-Gunz]

I'm here like I'm still enjoying my PS4. I can wait.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

The ps4 still feels so young to me, it's got so much life left despite how under powered it was at release, my backlog is getting bad too, but if it keeps up when the PS releases in 2020/2021 then I can play the PS4 until I'm ready to jump.

[Jinger]

I think 2020 will be the earliest we will see either a NextBox or PS5. PS4 is still flexing its muscles.

[PS3_Noob]

Next xbox is basically a boxed PC with xbox live subscription. xbox gamepass. Honestly I have 0 interest in Microsoft

[Cheesetoenails]

then why comment if you have not interest?

[Eonjay]

Commenting and intrest are not mutual exclusive.

[Vasto]

Don't worry, everything will become crystal clear for you soon.

[KillZallthebeast]

Lol they're screwed unless they are willing to take a loss on each console sold to be competitive and remain comittied to not forcing always online.

[Jinger]

Online is the future

[Goldby]

So is single player.

[Da12RespectA]

Deluded how? They made no mention other than they're working on it. Click bait trash.

[soulrebel]

https://dictionary.cambridg...

[adonisisfree]

Holiday 2020. It will launch along with cyberpunk. Its already been announced that cyberpunk is a next gen title that will "work" on current gen.

[AgeInTheCage]

Great launch with a multi-plat game, relying on 3rd party multi-console games strategy really helped them this gen...

[Jinger]

I'd also expect that Ninja Theory will have their next game ready as a launch title.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

According to Brad Sams and long time Microsoft insider Paul Thurrott the Xbox Scarlet will launch 2020 according to their sources.

From a hardware perspective this stuff takes years to develop so even if Sony launched first that doesn't mean Microsoft can go back to the drawing board and make a better Console. So from that standpoint, it does not matter. If it were me I would try to come to market first, set the tone by making it clear from day one that Xbox's family of devices has you covered if you decide to go console...and Xbox has you covered if you want to game on PC. Make it clear the Xbox Scarlet will be the most powerful console.

Xbox One S drops to $99 (some X and Scarlet games are not able to run on S but it can run 90% of the Xbox library)

Xbox One X drops to $249-$299 up to 4K/30+

Xbox Scarlet - $449 4K/60

Xbox Gold + Game Pass - $80

Full backward compatibility

[MasterCornholio]

I thought the One X already does 4k 60?

The truth is it's up to developers to choose what framerates and resolutions their games will run at.

As for the price that depends on how powerful Microsoft wants scarlet to be and when they want to release it.

[chrono1205]

The hardware determines the frame rate and resolution.

[Jinger]

Off the top of my head I think Gears 4, Forza 7 and Forza Horizon 4 run at 4k/60. Gears 4 only in MP though.

Actually, I'm not sure if Forza Horizon 4 will be native 4k/60 because I think you have to put it in performance mode to get 60 which will surely drop the resolution. Regardless, it's the console that outputs the better performance all around.

[Gunstar75]

The next Xbox will not be underpowered compared to the next PlayStation.

The position of Xbox within Microsoft has changed massively in the last 5 years. It is now it own division within Microsoft, and Microsoft are the biggest tech company in the world.

If they release weaker hardware then they deserve to fail, but I don't see it.

Despite the slight time diffence, the difference in tech between xb1x and the pro is stark. If MS continue to take this market seriously, the next Xbox will be technically superior to ps5 in every way.

Now, software..... This is where it will get really interesting. I can't wait to watch how this pans out....

[Eonjay]

Weaker hardware doesn't mean underpowered. According to the rumors the PS5 is Navi, AMDs next gen GPU. And Zen will be the CPU. It will be at least twice as powerful as the X. We don't want either company to make a console so bleeding edge that we can't afford it.

[Jinger]

Very true. I mean we saw the launch of PS3 then with Xbox One being an extra $100 and slightly under powered... Well we all know how that went.

Anyway, price point is very important and I think $400-$500 is about right.

[Ju]

I strongly believe it's designed for a $399 release yet again... Not only twice as fast

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Or it could go the same way it did this gen with there being little difference hardware-wise between a vanilla PS4 and a vanilla Xbox1.

[Chevalier]

"
Despite the slight time diffence, the difference in tech between xb1x and the pro is stark. If MS continue to take this market seriously, the next Xbox will be technically superior to ps5 in every way. "

Sure if they were the same price that would be a argument, but, the X was a year later and $100 more. If it didn't beat the Pro with a year late and $100 difference that would just be sad. Most Sony 1st party AAA destroy anything Xbox has to offer though so its not all better on Xbox.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

I think you should re-evaluate your understanding of the word "deluded".

[AgeInTheCage]

Ps4 base is the strongest mainstream console out, xboxone s is the weakest. those are the consoles 98% of people have. I find it funny that all the xbox players praise a console they dont have.

Getting a pro or x is worthless now that a new gen is a few years away. Theres a reason why phil does not brag about how great the X is selling at every turn. Xbox brags about how many zombies have been killed.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

You know this how? I have an x1x, so do all my friends. Sony don't brag about psvr numbers or PS4 pro numbers either.

[AgeInTheCage]

Oh please, neither mid gen console is selling. We can all easily say that me and my friends have an xboxone X if it makes me feel better. Theres no way to tell whos playing on what. Its all redundant.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

@ageinthecage "there's no way to tell who's playing on what". I think that sentence puts your argument down the toilet.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

@ageinthecage btw, why would saying I know ppl who bought an x1x "make me feel better" as you put it? My self esteem and confidence aren't tied to a particular corporations piece of silicon and plastic, so the things that make me feel better/worse are much more meaningful than a gaming corporation.

[Chevalier]

I work at the busiest EB/Gamestop in my city and the X is doing well, but, its not blowing the Pro away by any means. In fact the Pro has much more leeway to drop prices for sales and the X has only ever had 1 price drop. I still get calls about our sold out God of War Pro bundles regularly.

PSVR has been selling extremely well since its become much more adfordable. We sell out when we have our sales since the PSVR sells for half the price of what it used to cost.

As for systems its not even close PS4 absolutely demolishes Xbox on a regular basis in sales. In fact we've sold out our slims multiple times since the beginning of the year and there are points where we don't even have stock.

The recent Sony sale for E3 where all the systems, controllers, PSVR were on sale were amazing for the amount of units we moved.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

@chevalier funny because everyone I know is buying an Xbox 1s or X. And btw, ofc GameStop will sell fewer Xbox consoles than ps, even if the demand was there they wouldn't because game pass is a threat to GameStop's business, which, I hate to break it to you, is dying by the day. That's the trouble with anecdotal evidence such as what both you and I said, it can be used to support whichever argument you want. What I do know is even king Sony fanboy Colin Moriarty himself says Xbox won E3. Along with much of the media and everyone but Sony extremists on n4g.

[superchiller]

I don't think the author of this article understands the meaning of the word "deluded", that word makes no sense in this article. A console can't be "deluded". Go back to school kid.

[ClanPsi1]

Says the guy who can't read. HE is deluded, not the console.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

Yes the author is clearly deluded, and delusional, and inarticulate.

[Dirtnapstor]

Everyone is speculative based on hardware specs. That factor doesn’t amount to anything if there are no genuine exclusives to benefit the Nextbox. MS needs not to worry about getting ahead of the competition...MS needs to worry about whether or not they can get gamers onboard to actually have a reason to invest their time with an Xbox.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

So creating and buying 5 new studios to make 1st party games means nothing? In the meantime we get great exclusives like gears 5, halo infinite, fh4 and many more. How many studios did Sony aquire this year? I swear, if Xbox made a console that printed 100 dollars every time you turned it on n4g would h8 on it.

[Dirtnapstor]

It’s not about hating on MS. MS had already been working with three of them exclusively. Am I wrong? Bring on the first party AAA games please. And then not cancel them... competition is good for the industry. Give me a reason to buy an Xbone. Cuphead can't do it alone.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

@dirtnapstor yes you are wrong, the initiative is a brand new studio, ninja theory has had a history of having a closer relationship with Sony, compulsion games is releasing we happy few multiplatform soon. The other 2 have indeed had an exclusive relationship with ms, but don't forget, it was only a few months ago that many sites were sure pg's other team was working on a multiplat. The point is all these studios now have full creative freedom and full access to the resources ms have. Watch the video ninja theory put out explaining the reasons they chose to become ms 1st party.

[DivineAssault]

So most people believe MS will allow Sony to get a head start next gen? Doing that can be a disaster but who knows? We know little to nothing about whats going to be shown.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I don't think order matters that much as long as the consoles are released relatively close together. The the ps3 eventually out performed the 360 or the 360 ran out of steam first depending on how you want to look at it.

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

Geeksultd quality of writing has me amused.
And yes, you are "deluded", and delusional, and inarticulate.

[Smitty2020]

Xbox one was a fail because they announced it as a media box which personally for me I didn’t give a crap about. Ps4 was all about the games hence the jump ship now will they learn from there mistakes...... prob not

[pinkcrocodile75]

OK, hang on, so Sony learned their lesson with the PS3 $600 and getting a second job. However you assumption is because you're not a fan of Microsoft that they are incapable of learning from their mistakes? Do me a favour

[Smitty2020]

Who is taking about ps3? Not me also last genaration I was a big 360 fan n didn’t touch PS3 so your wrong there again, did u watch the announcement at e3 when is got shown?? A all in one media box I think it was called? It was a load of crap and a lot of other Microsoft fans jumped ship so ur taking shit n full of salt and not even looking at ur past comments I can already tell ur a Xbox fan boy

[Prem8tuaProcrastin8a]

So the fact they "announced it "a media box" 5 years ago negates the fact it is now the most powerful console on the market and has some great games? Logic is an alien concept to you I take it?

[Smitty2020]

Also the term “ all the gear with no idea” ?

[Goldby]

You are talking about 2 different consoles. The 1x wasn't available in 2013, the original one was, and that was marketed as an all in one media device

[WeAreLegion]

Are we approving third grade essays now? This is so poorly written.

[bartender64]

Me

[Artemidorus]

You should be happy, it's Microsoft telling you their future is in consoles.

[pinkcrocodile75]

I'm reading a lot of comments where they "Think" they know what's going to happen.

None of these guys have a clue, other than Shawn Layden announcing the PS5 exists in development last year and that Shil has done the same this E3.

Any "this will happen" or "that will happen" is bollocks for now until Sony and Microsoft announce it

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

It's all speculation of course apart from what Sony or Microsoft have stated, it's just people wishing for this and that to happen regardless of how realistic it is based on little or no information they have to support their arguement.

[Pantz]

What do you mean catch up to PC HDR?? Most PC games STILL can't do HDR. There are way more console games with HDR support than there are PC games with HDR support. PC is the one that needs to catch up with consoles and it's been YEARS now.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

I find it shocking that TVs and consoles got HDR implemented reasonably well and PC still can't get decent HDR off the ground. All of the HDR moments out now or on the horizon are kinda crappy and Windows 10 support for the feature is awful, when I connect my pc to my 4k TV I leave the HDR setting in Windows off.

[Father__Merrin]

Xbox 2 needs it's games on that console only and rebrand in the era of the 360 great games and affordable.

[King_Lothric]

I am still enjoying my current console. I don't now what's the hurry. I rather have Mark Cerny take his time and make another great console.

We are somehow addicted to more resolution but do you remember when games were 8 bits and still were so much fun?

I honestly rather have more great experiences/games than hurry to the next gen.

[ShadowWolf712]

I get what he's saying but eesh, the grammar.

[Tross]

Not to be pedantic, but if you know you're deluded then you're not really deluded.

[Krangs_Uncle]

Ha.. Well said.

[lazyboyblue]

First rule of new gen consoles. They ALWAYS arrive later than anyone predicted. It's like the bit in the bible where it says not to listen to false prophets and nobody but God will know when the end is nigh, etc etc.

[FinalFantasyFanatic]

Everyone's just too excited and they have no reason to be, it'll be a longer wait than 2019, I can guarantee that much at least.

[Phoenix76]

I think it's great that Ms are already working on the next xbox console, however, I don't think it was a smart move to announce it at this year's e3 and certainly not only 8 months after the release of "the world's most powerful console" as this will likely have an effect on sales for the xb1x by putting some people. Those people will probably now just wait for the next gen

[Fritzwochel]

Anyways, guys..

The difference between PSX and PS2 was monumental! The difference between PS2 and PS3 was huge. However the jump from PS3 to PS4 felt more like "the same but better". The gap was not so huge this time around, and I think the gap will be even smaller between PS4 and PS5. I don't think the first new next-gen console on the market will win because of this fact. To be honest we would need the designers to provide for something unique. Perhaps a strong emphasis on AI with integrated NPUs, or something else that would make the next generation of games stand out from today's games.

[Nodoze]

Last year they spent the majority of the conference showing off BRAND NEW hardware. Talking about how great it was. World's most powerful yada yada yada. This year...we are making a new one.

Meanwhile next to no software. How many of those titles will be moved to lauch titles for Xbox Two (or whatever stupid name they come up with)?

They had a good conference, but I just don't see it. Software drives everything. Software software software. Ironically they are a SOFTWARE company.

[cell989]

They’re pretty much making the x1x obsolete already, not even a year out ...

[subtenko]

"Not only did Sony’s and Microsoft’s decisions look horrible" dont try to pretend Sony did what M$ did this generation, theres is a reason PS4 is dominating and coming out with all these games.

[Platformgamer]

even if phil said so, there will be not a new xbox console, they'll become a steam-alike company.

[Stanjara]

Every year new console, and no games...just multiplats. Every year fastest

[iofhua]

If M$ is going to obsolete their hardware this quickly then it's not worth buying it in the first place.

[Realms]

MS is damned if they do and damned if they don't if they give Sony a head start with the PS5 and it is BC with the PS4 it's going to be a nightmare for MS trying to compete with Sony's catalog and try to persuade people to jump ship. If they go first how do they justify 4 consoles in this time frame without the games? They are in a pickle Sony just made the right moves short term and long term MS is big trouble for the foreseeable future without any noteworthy games in sight.