Banjo Remake Would Be An Easy E3 Win for Xbox

Will a Banjo Remake help to give the Xbox brand some positive mindshare amongst the hardcore? Craig takes a look.

[Goldby]

If it builds in MT like ever other remaster remake that ms has released it will fail hard

[IamTylerDurden1]

Let's just hope Microsoft doesn't treat the IP like they did Phantom Dust. That entire Phantom Dust Remake situation was a mess. It was sad actually. The end result was abhorrent.

[bouzebbal]

this game aged so bad, i think a remake would be laughable.
i played it not long ago and i was shocked at how bad the controls were.
Jet Force Gemini was also another massive hit for the N64.
i could barely play it more than 2 min on Rare Replay, either a full scale remake or nothing.

[conanlifts]

? I don't remember microtransactions in halo MCC or gears of war remake. Plus microtransactions in games like gears 4 and Halo 5 have little impact on the game so no real issue with these sort of transactions, especially whe it means cancelling the need for a season pass. My biggest issue with gears was the season pass turned out to be worthless and pointless as the model wasn't clear. They should have added bonus story content as part of the season pass.

But the microtransactions included by MS are no different to those found in Uncharted or TLOU and are mostly cosmetic or can be earned in game.

[coolbeans]

Partially correct. Gears of War Ultimate actually did have a plethora of MT's attached to it. You can actually find a Deluxe Version of GOW Ultimate on Xbox storefront.

[conanlifts]

@coolbeans. Thanks. I don't remember the MT in gears ultimate, though I barely played the MP mode. I still play gears 4 and am aware of the MT's in that, which can be all be earnt in game anyway. At launch the rate of earning coins was atrocious but this has been fixed now.

[ClanPsi1]

All MTs are an issue, because that's content being locked behind a pay wall. People who are okay with MTs are cancer.

[Geoff900]

So after paying for a game, you are okay with the companies trying to make more money off of you by adding MT's for items that should be given to you as a reward for playing a game?

[conanlifts]

@Geoff900, clanpsi1.

I have no issue with mt's when you can earn the items in game. If people are crazy enough to buy them its up to them. Personally i have never spent money on microtransactions and never will.

[Rippcity]

The model has changed and MT are here to stay which, to me, is totally fine. Before this, a game would come out and that's it. Now, a game comes out, is constantly updated and new content/patches are added which enhance the game and give it additional longevity. If devs want to lock some cosmetics behind a pay wall that's perfectly acceptable because now devs have the added responsibility of maintaining their games after release. For the people that don't want to support it, they simply just have to not buy them. It's just about being smart. Sure, boycott a game that implements a pay to win MT model. I get that. But for all the devs adding cosmetics and other unnecessary stuff behind a pay wall, I say let 'em do what they want.

[Tobse]

Which ms remaster has MT?

[Goldby]

Phantom dust is one.

[Tobse]

That is a free to play game, ms is so evil

[Goldby]

They added MT into a game that didn't have it originally. Doesn't matter if its free to play. They add mt into games that don't need it or required it for the original.

[Tobse]

The original was a full priced game. They need to make money some way dont they?

Oh no you right, ms is the devil of Gaming. How dare they release this game for free, much rather would pay 60$ for it without MT

[Gazondaily]

A remake wouldn't cut it. A new entry in the Banjo series would help...assuming it looked good of course.

[Gaming_1st]

Can't believe i'm saying this, but i agree. I mean this would be good news for long time fans. But, if youre hanging your hat on this....Ouch!

[Eidolon]

Wouldn't be a "win", though, get serious. It's like saying Banjo Kazooie will save their E3 and future. Of course it's a good thing, but a win, if any positive thing is a win, sure. It's more niche now, targetting the 90s generations, and 20 years later, i can't see them investing in it over a new IP or service, I mean, do you really think the outcome would be all that great?

[Teflon02]

Well all ms games release on pc now. I'd definitely buy on pc without hesitation. I still wish rare replay was on pc for the banjo games, conker and kameo

[rainslacker]

It'd be better than what they've been doing the past couple years at least. A win though....not in the least. Game has a cult following, but it isn't as high a profile game as some make it out to be.

If they could do a remake on the level of R&C then they could likely have a stellar new ip to eventually milk dry like their other staples, but I can't see them investing in that given how they admitted they want games with a 1-2 year content plan.

[NotanotherReboot]

I think a remake like what Activision are doing with Crash and Spyro would be great re-entry point for old fans and accessible for newcomers. Then they can do a true sequel after

[The_Hooligan]

What if its like the Crash remake/remastered? I think that would be good too. Btw I get confused on what is considered a remake and what is considered a remaster. Crash and the new Spyro would be a remake or a remaster?

[Alucard_420]

It's a remake, remastered they wouldn't temper with the code but they would polish the game, remake they change everything to make it all look better, so new coding ect.

[The_Hooligan]

@ Alucard
Thanks for the info brother.

[purple101]

I'm not even going to bother reading this article this was the funniest headline I have ever seen, it made my day It really did.
Spider-Man will be the biggest selling game of this generation most likely and do you realise suckerpunch for Ghost of tsushima ammo capping real horses and you propose a remake with childish tendencies should win E3 outright and overall.. Muaahah mauaha.

"one does not simply put out a remade platformer, and win an E3"

Everybody knows Xbox is finished even if they do put out a really nice good new Halo and it has great gameplay they still are so far behind Sony and even Nintendo rivaling them for sales now, they simply don't have the studios in their pocket to ever catch up

[DarXyde]

I'm very confident Spider-Man will be outsold by Red Dead Redemption 2. Not just because it's multiplatform, but it's one of Rockstar's two war potential IPs.

EDIT: I should add, I'm assuming Rockstar won't do something anti-consumer. While I would vastly prefer Spider-Man, the world seems to stop when Rockstar has something to say.

[showtimefolks]

Day

While I agree keep in mind marvel has never been bigger or hotter so you never know. It would shock me if any game outsells rdr2. So it's a tall task for an exclusives selling on one platform to outsell something that will be available on Xbox one and down the road pc

But Spiderman will sell very well and help move a lot of consoles. It's one of the biggest games that will attract kids and parents during holiday season

[DarXyde]

showtimefolks,

Oh, I don't doubt for a moment that Spider-Man will do well. It's going to be wildly successful. But Red Dead Redemption successful? I don't see it. As gamers, I would say we on the internet are among the minority of being informed. It wouldn't surprise me if people look at it once it drops and pass on it because Web of Shadows wasn't great. I would be pleasantly surprised if people made the connection that Insomniac is making it. I argue that most won't.

Developers seem to live in fear of releasing games at the same time as huge hits. Among them, GTA and RDR.

I'd love to revisit this conversation when the time is right. You are absolutely correct that Spider-Man is releasing while the iron is hot. I just don't see it holding its own to Red Dead Redemption. Critically, I'm sure I'll like Spider-Man more. I never really cared for Rockstar games the way other people do and that's fine. I'm in a very small minority there. But that's just how I feel. Commercially, Red Dead Redemption 2 will undoubtedly be a monster.

[Profchaos]

I want both plus spyro this year but read dead gets priority

[conanlifts]

Do you think spiderman will outsell TLOU 2 ? It will be interesting to see if it beats god of war or TLOU 2 when that is finally released, especially in the long term as far as PS4 exclusives go. Also to be the biggest selling game this gen as far as console exclusives sit it would need to surpass Super Mario Odyssey which is above 10 million I think. But overall as a multiplatform title possibly PUBG which is around 40million. There might be others if GTA V is included, though that is both current and previous gen.

My guess for biggest selling game this gen is RDR 2, but that is multiplatform.

The moral of the story though is that unfortunately as you mention no Xbox exclusives will make a dent in sales against PS4 exclusives.

[Tobse]

Some people just like gameplay, others like to let the game play itself

[AspiringProGenji]

Some people like diversity (and no game even with the least gameplay play itself anyways), others are so deceived by the lack of diversity in their catalog that any game that is different is underestimated

[showtimefolks]

Nail

Better to have options bro rather than no options. Diversity is the reason one console is 80 million and the other 30-32 million

So we know which one is going what right

[RedDevils]

Nail isn't that what you have been doing the whole generation watching others play lol the irony

[Tobse]

Scripted games with washed down gameplay < fun gameplay / freedom

All day every day. Im just not into games that Interrupt all the time for walky talky sections and cutscenes. Games where you cant always play how you would want to, but rather the game dictating if you are allowed to run or have to walk slowly

@showtimefolks

Arent 90% of PlayStation exclusives Action Adventures?

[Goldby]

Which games have wash down gameplay?

[Tobse]

Just look at the new god of War. If the combat gets any more Basic they only need two Buttons

[FGHFGHFGH]

check out this god of war combat
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

vs state of decay 2
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

also some sea of thieves
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

"Just look at the new god of War. If the combat gets any more Basic they only need two Buttons"
Which do you think has the basic combat?

[Tobse]

One is a hack and slash Kinda title , one is survival and one is a Pirate game. Guess which one needs the best fighting System? Sod2 base building has more features than god of War overall but what do I know. Sot is a half assed game. Dunno why you bring it up.

Compare it to dmc, bayonetta or Heck even ninja gaiden. Since you like YouTube :

https://youtu.be/5jMJ39_j6N...

[Prince_TFK]

“Spider-Man will be the biggest selling game of this generation“

I love the enthusiasm, but no, it’ll be lucky to reach even half of what RDR2 or the new Pokemon will sell.

[FallenAngel1984]

There’s already a remaster of Banjo on XBLA that’s on 360 and also offered on Rare Replay. I don’t think Microsoft would triple/quadruple dip on that title

[WitcheRivia]

A remaster isn't a remake.

[FallenAngel1984]

I never said those are the same concepts.

I’m saying that with so many different ways for Xbox gamers to play Banjo-Kazooie, it doesn’t seem likely that Microsoft would ever do a full on remake for it. Not only that but the relatively low sales of Rare Replay shows that such an endeavor wouldn’t even be that lucrative and rewarding for Microsoft.

Besides that if Xbox gamers ever wanted to play a modern Banio-Kazooie-like title they can already play Yookah-Laylee. It’s a lot better than whatever other title modernday Rare could ever produce even though it has a lot of flaws.

[gangsta_red]

I never liked the Banjo games and I found them all carbon copies of the Mario 64 formula.

A remake of this game would not win E3 in my opinion.

[GaboonViper]

I love Banjo but would prefer a Conker 2 or/and Perfect Dark.

[ClanPsi1]

I'd be perfectly okay with actual remasters of either Conker or Perfect Dark. Live and Uncut was f*cking awful and Perfect Dark Zero was... yeah....

[Ricegum]

Oh man. Perfect Dark is a great shout.

[Akarogg]

Banjo Kazooie was awesome

[IamTylerDurden1]

A Banjo remake in the vein of Insomniac's R&C remake would be a win in terms of it being a good thing, but it certainly wouldn't win E3. Sony announced a Blue Point remake of SotC last year and it wasn't even considered as a huge announcement. So how on earth will Banjo win E3 if SotC didn't even make a huge impact?

[gangsta_red]

Why is everything about Sony with you?

[showtimefolks]

Gangsta

I think he just used that as an example. Remakes barely make impacts unless it's well know fan favorite IP's

[gangsta_red]

@showtime

Even though I agree that remakes don't win an E3, Banjo is definitely a well known fan favorite that has been asked for a while now.

But even still, it makes little sense to compare this opinion piece to what Sony did and say because it didn't work for them it won't work for MS.

[RedDevils]

But Banjo know it a piece of shit un MS hands.

[mark_parch]

totally agree. a remake of banjo done to the same standard of the recent crash games and the upcoming spyro games would be an easy win for Microsoft, it would be cheap and almost a guarantee to sell well. will it win E3 obviously not but it could contribute to a really good e3 if they have other good games to show along side it

[GaboonViper]

It wouldn't be a easy win but a step in the right direction IMO, i love Banjo.

[CaptainOmega]

A Banjo REBOOT would be cool, but it won't win E3. They would need to announce 2-3 big new IP AND have a few 'reboots' to even consider having a win.

[shinoff2183]

No it wouldn't. They need more then just that. Considering ps has death stranding, the last of us 2, spiderman.

[PFFT]

We need more than what we already know.

[Gaming_1st]

1 if not 2 of those are for sure coming this year. Not about showing IP's that is 5 years down the road.

[PhoenixUp]

Rare Replay was an even greater win yet it wasn’t among the systems top selling exclusives

[ClanPsi1]

I want Rare Replay on Steam. That would be fantastic.

[PhoenixUp]

Oh god that thumbnail reminds me how Rare ruined Banjo’s modern design with such a blocky angular appearance and toaster shaped nose

At least Kazooie turns out alright and actually looks feminine

[masterfox]

lol nope.

[Elda]

LOL!

[Godmars290]

Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha...

What would win it for me - personally anyway - would be either a Panzer Dragoon Sega remake, that announcement plus a PDS2 set in an open world, a Skies of Arcadia redux, or all of the above. I would actually, literally buy an XB1 day one any of those released. I'd even become a MS fanboy never saying a bad thing about them ever again.

[Knightofelemia]

A new game from the ground up would be better then a remake would it be an E3 win for Microsoft no but it would help out.

[LandoCalrissiano]

I'd rather perfect dark before banjo. MS would be wise to let Nintendo use banjo for the possible upcoming 64 classic.

[paintedgamer1984]

No it wouldnt be "an easy win for xbox". Rare is a far shot from what they used to be... A cartoon platform game doesnt scream OMFG especially for xb1x owners... get real

[snkiworld]

lol

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

That's all it would take??? Some people are so easily pleased.

[PhantomS42]

As long as it didn't look anything like Nuts and Bolts.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Define "win"

[ClanPsi1]

If the people who made Banjo Kazooie can't even make a good platformer while copying almost everything, I have zero faith in RARE's ability to succeed in making a decent remaster.

[paintedgamer1984]

Fax

[TheOttomatic91]

They have to give it to Playtonic and give them creative freedom.

[Melankolis]

It will sell alright. But Xbox needs more than remasters to gain acknowledgement.

[ShadowWolf712]

Not with Rare in the state it's in now.

[bluefox755]

No, it wouldn't. Rare would ruin it. They have no consumer confidence left. People know that Rare today isn't the same as N64 Rare.

[paintedgamer1984]

N64 rare 💩 all over todays rare... its no contest. Everything back in the day rare did was gold... that golden flicker motto was tits.

[OffRoadKing]

That's all it would take huh? lol, the requirement for a "win" has certainly been lowered for xbox.

[Dragonscale]

It'll take more than banjo lol.

[Lethaltare]

How can one remake make it a win for Xbox? They're so far behind this Gen not only in sales but games aswell. I can't see them using rare for anything good anymore. Every rare game that has been made under Microsoft's wing has been rubbish. Banjo is dead.

[dreue]

People still believe in xbox?

[quenomamen]

Oooh look another game that will win it for MS.

[2ndhandcorn]

For me i was the only person to enjoy Nuts and Bolts more than the previous games , i enjoyed the racing . That said i do not care enough about the characters to buy another Banjo game leave it dead for all i care.

[boing1]

lol...right.

[The_Jackel]

even with banjo i dont really think so. nintendo will say super smash bros and game over xbox

[Brave_Losers_Unite]

Whats with these Xbox may win E3 articles. I swear every E3 there are countless and countless articles and every time they get there ass beat

[jay2]

No thanks. A proper banjo threeie though id take

[CrimsonWing69]

Not really.

[lellkay]

I wouldn't say it would be a win! but it would definitely be a nice hit for their conference.

[BioDead]

Hopefully not because I DONT WANT TO buy a console just for a one game

[Platformgamer]

i'm playing banjo kazooie these days with the rare replay, and i must say that's a good game but a little boring tho
i don't know if i want a remake of it

[RosweeSon]

Now that would be cool. Until we find out it’s nuts and bolts 2 🤦🏻‍♂️😜

[DivineAssault]

I dont think so. The latest entry tried and failed. Even if they make a good one, it would just be getting out of the negative at this point. Plus Banjo doesnt have a strong enough presence for it to be anywhere near an E3 win.

[JesusBuiltmyHotrod]

It will take more then a niche platformer in this market......

[Profchaos]

I'm skeptical given its controls were clunky compared to its competitors at the time crash and spyro.

Id love to play it if they introduce modern controls but that would be met with resistance from fans.

Tough spot really since the game itself is great but when I tried to replay the rare collection it's just to annoying in 2018

[BadElf]

Yes, it would be great. And an easy choice. Legit remake though, like RE, crash, spyro etc.

[BigKev45]

Microsoft NEEDS much more than Banjo!

[Lighter9]

Could get a brand new game, but yeah, whatever.

[i3eyond the Circle]

Nah

[ErogeMaster]

Yeah but new rare and old rare are 2 completely different companies unless if they rehire the guys that made yooka laylee then maybe.

[King_Lothric]

I say Xbox needs more than this to change their current situation.

[Tzuno]

Lol, no, new games will if they have the balls to develop a new ip, maybe we will see new Fable, rare is a gem and they don't use it.

[headblackman]

no it wouldn't! xbox fans are for the hardcore and bk is far from hardcore.

[CVTURBO1]

"An easy e3 win" Yeah ok... M$ needs more then that to win...