Switch Online Makes Nintendo Look Weak

Nintendo finally revealed its Switch Online plans and… they’re not great. Worse than that, they make Nintendo look as clueless and weird as ever.

[Eonjay]

He is exaggerating.

[Neonridr]

doesn't he always? :P

[r2oB]

His exaggerations are intentional, and he raises a valid point. As long as there is no other alternative to backing up saves, charging for it is just ridiculous, even if it’s just $20. I guarantee most Switch owners that pay the $20 will do so primarily for the ability to back up saves, and Nintendo knows this, which is why they don’t offer another option. To be honest, the $20 for online and cloud saves is very reasonable, but they need to enable saving locally. Otherwise it just seems as if they are withholding a mundane feature, that has been around for decades, for the sake of gouging money.

[Apollosupreme]

Considering their consoles has been hacked wide open and cannot be remedied the last thing they should be doing is implementing anti-consumer practices such as utilizing a paywall for save backups. They are opening Pandora's box here.

[Prince_TFK]

I love Jim Sterling but he seems to be very biased lately while favour a certain console more.

As for the Switch online, it is priced at $20 per year so why do you expect it to give you as much value as a $60 sub? I really would like someone to honestly answer this.

[AAWELLS09]

He answers in his video very plainly and its easy to understand.

[WickedLester]

No trophy/achievement system
No way to back up saves
No native support for voice chat on the system

I'd say he's right on the button.

[Gemmol]

Nintendo since Wii U do not force developers to put achievement system, they have a choice unlike ps4 and Xbox

But you can put one in your game.....

disgae for switch have ps4 trophy in it where it shows up exactly like the ps4 version

Minecraft shows up just like Xbox system achievement

So your response is wrong

Now if you said you wish Nintendo had 1 standard and all the developers follow it to make a trophy system now this would be correct but saying they don't have a system when the system allow u to do whatever is just lying

[AspiringProGenji]

it is not my fault that the Switch lacks more options to back up saves, so I am fked if I choose not to pay for online, which I won’t, when my Switch breaks of whatever happens eh? Nice way to punish me I guess.

[Neonridr]

Let's not cry foul here. Both Sony and MS charge for cloud saving too. Literally all Nintendo needs to do is allow for either external HDs to be connected to the Switch or more preferably the dock or to allow to backup saves to the SD card. A simple fix in the firmware that could come anytime.

[-Foxtrot]

Both Sony and Microsoft have consoles which include 500GB - 1TB - 2TB hard drives...

[Majin-vegeta]

*Anytime*
How bout right now?

[AspiringProGenji]

Except i am NOT Paying for cloud saving on PS4 in particular. That’s an extra to me. And if I choose not to pay for PS+, I got an USB for backup

Meanwhile with Nintendo... Pay or else. How you nintendo chills fail to see this flaw when comparing it to Sony and MS As excuse I will never know

[MeteorPanda]

The other two have had external saving and the subscription has a lot more features

[Magnetar]

Actually only Sony charges for cloud saves.

[Monster_Tard]

@Magnetar
Nope, a Xbox Gold subscription is required for cloud saves.

[Magnetar]

You should go check your facts, because gold is not required for cloud saves.

[Monster_Tard]

@Magnetar
Check your facts sir.

https://support.xbox.com/en...

"To use cloud storage for your saved games, you need:

An Xbox Live Gold subscription
A console connected to the Xbox Live service
514 megabytes (MB) of storage space on your console (local cache)"

[Magnetar]

I guess their site contradicts itself. https://support.xbox.com/en...

[Liqu1d]

Both MS and Sony have free alternatives to back up saves, Nintendo doesn't.

[Neonridr]

Sony only allowed the use of external hard drives how long after the launch of the PS4? Fun to point fingers when Sony was just as guilty for the longest time.

[salmonade]

You could always use USB sticks for save back-ups since launch.

[Dragonscale]

@neon, you can swap out the PS4 hard drive. You can't do that on xbone or switch lol.

[Fleshstick]

Don't spread false info, you could always transfer saves/screenshots/game data on PS4 (it was also present on PS3) to a USB device - maybe you are confused with Sony adding support for game and application installs onto external hard drives.

[Doge]

Same goes if your PS4 hard drive breaks dude. You'll lose your save data unless you pay for PS+ to get cloud saves lmao.

>But you can back-up your saves on an external drive

And if Nintendo adds that? What then? What's the next excuse lol

[AspiringProGenji]

Except:

1) the chances of HDD breaking is very low
2) I am already paying to play Online on PS4 and get cloud saves as extra
3) Don’t want ro pay for online anymore? I get other options to back up saves

Meanhile Nintendo:

1) no other options to back up saves unless I Play. If there was, no problem
2) I have no interest in playing online on Switch. So again, no other choice to back up saves

And if Nintendo ads that? GREAT! But the damn question is, why is this not a thing in 2018 yet? Nintendo has this problem of being the last In catching up with features the competitiors have been doing for years yet they make it worse instead of better. This needs to stop Like... now!

[Doge]

Dude unless you're equipped with an SSD, the chances of the stock mechanical drive failing is higher than flash memory. I agree that Nintendo should've added SD back-up for the Switch, but the comparison that an option that other platforms have with their online sub is "holding you hostage" is kinda ridiculous. You can't really back up your save data if your console gets bricked from a firmware update or the drive dies out :/

[AspiringProGenji]

I bought a 2 tB HDD 4 years ago and it is still working. I bough a 1 HDD for my PS3 like 8 years ago and it is still going. No breaks! I mean you have to have a huge power surge problem in your town to corrupt your HDD that much

Again, where Nintendo chills fail with the comparison is that there are plenty of options to back up saves on PS4 and Xbox. One who doesn’t have PS+ or Gold can still do it the old fashioned way, while Nintendo the one and only option is behind a paywall. That is why people are being vocal about it: people who don’t want to pay for online are screwed.

Back ups is a feature people have been asking for, and when Nintendo finally listens they put it beind a paywall

[r2oB]

@ Doge

Obviously you can’t back up files from a bricked console or to a bad drive, it’s just absurd to even mention that. What you CAN do, however, is back up files to an external HDD or USB sticks as many times as you want (you can have all your saves on multiple USB sticks at no cost) that way if your console bricks, your saves are good. Or if one flash drive goes bad, you have another (they are dirt cheap and most people probably have a hunch lying around).

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

And when Nintendo ever does anything paid, the Sony and Micro shills say that Nintendo doesn't deserve to play by the same rules, that everything Nintendo offers should either be better, be free, or not be at all.
I've seen these same people whining like spoiled brats about Nintendo charging for online multiplayer [for less than half the price] when Sony and Microsoft do the same thing and charge far more for it. [for the record, I don't feel multiplayer should be charged for at all. The free games are enough of a reason to subscribe, if there needs to be a reason at all]

Your drives not breaking doesn't mean it never happens to others, and if you take such great care of your stuff anyways, then you're literally not affected by not having free cloud saves in the first place because apparently your stuff never ever breaks no matter what.

[AspiringProGenji]

And here's the biggest shill of all.

I am not saying that Nintendo doesn't deserve to charge for online like the others are doing. The problem is that the feature everyone has been requesting is behind a paywall and there's no more options. This should not be the case in 2018

[Gaming_1st]

You're making stuff up. If Nintendo is doing a paid online service then it should be fairly on par with the other 2. Simple as that. And we know Nintendo has been behind in online infrastructure for almost a decade now.

[Goldby]

@Wonderful

"Your drives not breaking doesn't mean it never happens to others, and if you take such great care of your stuff anyways, then you're literally not affected by not having free cloud saves in the first place because apparently your stuff never ever breaks no matter what."

but a home console is subject to alot less wear and tear than a handheld hybrid console. not saying that is the reason that people are up in arms about not being able to back up their saves locally, but it is a factor in that.

[gangsta_red]

"This should not be the case in 2018"

Kind of hard to get upset over this when we all accept features and options that both MS and Sony lock behind a paywall for their own consoles...in 2018...

[marloc_x]

"gaming is not a charity"

[AspiringProGenji]

''Out of context''

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

You better have been looking in a mirror when you said that, because that's the only way what you said would make sense.

Yeah, having an alternate method would be nice, but "because 2018" and other edge-lord netizen BS doesn't excuse how big of a mountain shills who don't even own the system are making out of this mole-hill of an issue.
You'd think they'd have been up in arms when Sony went paid multiplayer, instead, but noooooo, now they're here demonizing Nintendo over something as none-essential as cloud saves.>_>

[Foraoise]

20 dollars vs 60...

[fonger08]

Shhhhh... don’t let obvious facts ruin what bizarre expectations of a $20/year online service should be for those here :)

[Foraoise]

I'm deffo paying for the 20/y. What I was saying is that it's a good deal for what we're getting for the Switch's online service.

[fonger08]

Definitely. All things considered the fact that most of us have put up the numerous ups and downs of the PSN and Xbox live since their respective beginnings with $50-60 fees... $20 is nothing.

[Gaming_1st]

30 bucks a year for 3 years of PSN, thanks for amazon...But hey, lets not try to detract from your agenda.

@fonger08

Sorry, you have major issues with both PSN/XboxLive services. I have had very little issues. But hey at least they had have services for people to use. 2018 and just now getting a online service for a console.....ROFLMAO. And btw, 50-60 bucks is something i have never paid for psn. Just got my account good till 2020 with 30 bucks a year from amazon.

[fonger08]

@gaming_1st soooo you’re comparing something you find on sale (that’s still more expensive) to something that’s list and not out yet... neat.

Btw nice troll account. But let’s compare more apples to oranges here, seems to make since lol.

[Gaming_1st]

Sorry i bought 3 years worth of subscriptions from amazon for 30 bucks, for PSN....You we're saying?

[Prince_TFK]

Does that apply to everyone else in the entire world?

[blawren4]

You paid a 50% off sale price of $90($180 normally) and had to buy 3 years up front compared to a non sale price of $60, which you won't have to prepay. What is your point exactly?

[Araragifeels]

$20 for a limited Cloud Saves, Online, ??-??% discount, free(not) Classic NES games that I can emulate on any phone but won't do it since I don't care about old crappy title, paying for for online for barely any online game, access to switch online app vs $60 for cloud saves, 10-70% discount, free(not) variety of current gen games each months, free Exclusive contents, sometimes early access to Beta games, Soo many online games, PlayStation/xbox app is free .

[marloc_x]

..phone!?
lol

[Liqu1d]

PS3 online was free yet you could use voice chat on the system and you could back up saves to a USB for free. Meanwhile Nintendo is charging $20 to use voice chat through a phone app (even though discord is free) and they're locking the only method of save backup behind the online. But go ahead and act like people are being unreasonable.

All Nintendo have to do is allow voice chat directly through the Switch and implement a free alternative to back up saves.

[badz149]

For Nintendo fanboys, PS3 and Vita don't count LOL

[badz149]

@Foraoise

Local UNLIMITED offline back up is FREE=$0 on Xbone and PS4 vs NONE on Switch. What's your point?

[masterfox]

Well overall its game lineup is weak and sad as hell not to mention that thing weak specs, just think about it for a second all its hype and popularity consist in Marios, Zeldas or Pokemons, yes those games can sell but if we are talking about variety or other genre Nintendo effing sucks, so talking about online what can Nintendo offer while being anti-tech company ?, some laughs I guess sadly.

[Prince_TFK]

Variety?

Mario Odyssey: 3D platformer
DK TF: 2D platformer
Mario Kart: Racer
Splatoon: Shooter
Pokken: Fighter
BOTW: Action Adventure
FE Warrior: Dynasty Warrior-styled
Arms: Motion control
Xenoblade 2: RPG

This not to mention other unreleased games such as Smash, Metriod, Animal Crossing, and Pokemon and sport games like Mario Tennis. And there are still mature games like No More Hero and Bayonetta 3. So what are you on about Nintendo lacking variety?

[marloc_x]

E3 should interesting..

[PhoenixUp]

When it comes to online gaming you should always expect to be disappointed in some way with Nintendo

[RuleNumber5]

Kind of agree.

[Platformgamer]

he's the true nintendo fan

[Knushwood Butt]

I don't see many claiming Nintendo innovation here.

[Kumakai]

So does the hardware spec

[MarineLineman]

The online service sounds awful. It’s literally just a paywall slapped on to what we can currently do for free on Switch, which really isn’t much. The only added feature is we’ll be able to stream classic games for a limited time. That’d be cool to me if I actually had any interest in Nintendo’s games from the pre-N64 era. If they start adding N64 titles down the road, I’ll feel a little bit better about it, but right now Nintendo is just showing that they are still absolutely clueless about online play.

[Germaximus]

Can't get past the first two minutes of nonsense.

[chris235]

and to think it‘s only their online service...

[Cmoney007]

Nintendo......
The Switch is pretty amazing, but why does it continue to lack online features that should be on the console already? The reason many people will pay for gold or PS+ is because the service continues to get better.

[lellkay]

Jim absolutely nailed it.

[AAWELLS09]

Nintendo is one of the most annoying and stubborn gaming companies out there imo. Don't care if anyone disagrees or not as its my opinion.

[salmonade]

What really bothers me is they never or hardly ever price-drop anything. No matter how old it is or how bad it's selling. Wii-U anyone?

[subtenko]

Nintendo is weak......but in some areas they are strong. Mobile definitely strong

[UltimateOwnage]

If the service is reliable, fast and streamlined - and still 1/3 the cost of others - I’ll be pleased.

[Artemidorus]

Nintendo are playing safe by providing half attempts with a legacy.

I want the return of the 80s and 90s, powerful machines full of content.