PS5 May Play PS4 Games - Sony Patent Updated

The PS5 backwards compatibility rumor is igniting following an update to a Sony patent.

[FallenAngel1984]

Not PS5 “may”, PS5 “better” play PS4 games

[Mr-Dude]

Exactly

[G20WLY]

Yeah, would be nice to whack my PS4 favourites into PS5. I'd rather the feature was there, but honestly, it is only a small factor to me - I'm very likely a day one PS5 buyer unless something goes horribley wrong lol

[WilliamSheridan]

They would be absolute fools for it not to be backwards compatible

[VenomUK]

Look at the patent, notice the name Mark Evan Cerny! This means he's the man behind this. Hopefully he's still partnering with Sony. He made many great design choices for the PS4 so he would be a big win for the PS5 design.

[subtenko]

All these exclusives still coming out, I dont want online games on ps4 to have a short life just because ps5 comes out. Thats what happened a little with PlayStation Allstars. Soon as I got ps4 the ps3 was done, I just dont keep old consoles hooked up

[fr0sty]

That was the whole reason they moved to the x86 architecture, ease of development and backwards compatibility. Of course it will be able to play PS4 games, it likely will also enhance them.

[denawayne]

Last I remember, BC didn't matter. Everyone should already have all their old systems in their attic to plug into whenever they want to play old games. Me? Almost all of my games are digital so it's a seamless experience going from one system to the next without ever changing controllers or discs.
"Ok, but they could shut down the servers at any moment!" I'll be dead when that happens, so I don't give a F*%&! Digital all the way. BC, including games from the very first system. Eat it.

[Xenophon_York]

Not important in my decision to plop a state-of-the-art PlayStation 5 cozily alongside my PlayStation 4 Pro—hopefully in white.

With all the XBOX One gamers switching I do empathise with them and their expectation for backwards compatibility with the PlayStation platform. Hopefully they will be happy enough with the influx of top-notch current-gen games and realize no longer will they need to squander in the previous-gen's library—used to the lackluster approach to new releases of a certain other console.

[WhyHate]

Sony is doing what Sony does best, follow Microsoft's lead. It was true for the 360 era of gaming, it's true in this X1 era, as far as system feature sets and unfortunately system level DRM adoption. Now Sony proves that fact farther with the next generation of systems.

Mark my words, the next PS, will just be an under powered Next Generation XBOX.

[mkis007]

@ why hate

...With actual games that set it apart.

[Skull521]

Oh it will play PS4 games, they'll just come with REMASTERED stamped on them and cost you $60.

[badz149]

Xbox fanatics are coming out in droves now mocking Sony on this BC decision even when nothing is confirmed yet. scared, ha? because if Sony does BC with the PS5, then there's no ammo left for you losers to bash them, right?

I'm not really counting on BC because I'll be buying the PS5 for new games anyway but if it's there, then KUDOS to Sony for going back to their roots on BC like they did PS2 and early PS3

[StormSnooper]

Pretty much a PS5 is a must buy for me regardless of any backward or what not.

[Kavorklestein]

@badz
Idk about "mocking" as far as my comments are concerned, but I will say: If this is true, Sony may end up contradicting their earlier statements about BC being "not worth it" or "nobody uses or cares about BC" to paraphrase to the best of my recollection.

Serious question: If people don't care about old games or BC, then why try to SELL Ps2 games? If they thought there might be enough demand that they they could SELL old titles on one hand, how can they turn around and deny it's significance on the other hand? Especially when BC is typically a FREE feature?
🤔

[mikeslemonade]

BC doesn’t matter I hope PS5 can only play PS5 games.

[Pantz]

What about PS1, PS2, and PS3 games?

[WickedLester]

Let it go.

[Goldenhawk521]

That’s Wicked singing “Let It Go”

[_-EDMIX-_]

I mean to be honest if your true gamer you should already own those systems, I'm sorry but there's just no excuse when these systems are less than $100 used off of Amazon.

I mean at some point if you're missing a whole bunch of games that you can't play because you refuse to buy the systems used you're literally saying you would rather not play a damn game for years on end in hopes of waiting for a company to give you a free system.

I don't know about you but that sounds pretty stupid it's literally saying you value being cheaper than you do actually even being a gamer in the first place.

So PlayStation 5 is a day one for me regardless but I'm not selling my PlayStation 4 regardless of whether they do backwards compatibility or not I'm even looking to buy a PlayStation 4 Pro but I have no interest in selling my consoles.

If you really value those gaming libraries you would not have got rid of those systems or would have purchased Replacements long ago.

So it sounds to me like anybody crying about this are the fakest Gamers of all.

[gyggyg]

@_-EDMIX-_
How utterly absurd, you can't possibly think for one minute of the dozens of reasons people may have for not keeping or buying those older systems?

I don't even have space for an extra console. If I got a PS5 then it would simply go where the PS4 is. You can't possibly imagine someone would rather be one of those sellers to get $100 towards the purchase of the PS5?

"i'm sorry but there's no excuse"... Childish

[darthv72]

Pantz... PS5 will play PS1, PS2 and PS3 games...... via PSNow

[dumahim]

@gyggyg
"How utterly absurd, you can't possibly think for one minute of the dozens of reasons people may have for not keeping or buying those older systems? "

How about the one really big reason for buying or keeping those older systems? To play the games that were made for that system.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@gyg-what do you mean you don't have the room? Do you seriously think I just keep all of my electronics and all of the consoles I've ever bought on one desk or something? Buddy I'm only playing one game system at a time 😂😂😂
28514;.

I'm sorry but you can't call yourself a Gamer if you're sitting here waiting for a company to give you a free console all well not actually playing the games 😂😂😂

So I'm not sitting here waiting for Sega to release another Dreamcast I'm not sitting here waiting for Nintendo to have some secret way to play all N64 games I simply keep my older systems or actually buy the damn system used if I want to play the games if you're literally going to choose to not buy the system to play the content in instead of wait for someone to give it to you for free you're literally saying it is more important for you not to pay then to actually find a way to play the game.

I'm sorry but that's something I don't do

You're not going to find me sitting here waiting begging and pleading in tears like a child for a company to give me something for free.

I have a job ,common sense and Amazon exist for me to buy anything I want used anyway but good luck waiting 🐸☕

[Eldyraen]

Very unlikely since it would probably require separate hardware, just like PS3 had at launch to play ps2 games (fat is still best PS3 because of that). It’s entirely possible but just extremely unlikely as they’d have to manufacture that much more for every system adding to costs and product size/weight; and since they dropped it with PS3 it’s probably never going to happen again, on a hardware level anyways.

Streaming old games is their plan apparently unless you find old consoles and games. It would be nice though, but ps1/ps2 would probably be easier to add than PS3. Or so i assume since 3 had the cell processor which changed it more than any other console before it (Sony wise).

[Pantz]

Hmm it wouldn't look good if they don't. Xbox already has all generations of Xbox games playable on it's console.

[1Victor]

For PS1–3 I got a phat PS3 60gig🤯(lol that was a lot back then for a console) so I’m golden 🎉🎊 😍

[Pantz]

Me too @1Victor I hope it never breaks. *Back to playing Haze*

[strayanalog]

Honestly, that would be pretty cool if it did have backwards compatibility with four generations of hardware, especially if it were by actual discs.
But, sadly, probably wouldn't happen because that would make PS Now obsolete. We can dream of that ace, though!

[kreate]

I don't think any system would have Bc to PS3 games.

[Z501]

Or
Just keep the console you bought the games for. Seems like the more intelligent solution.

[WilliamSheridan]

Yeah it's not like a company would give you free upgraded and enhanced backward compatible titles.

[Doge]

True that. I accepted the fact that I won’t be able to play PS1/2 games on the PS4 and later found out I can get a better quality via RGB on those 2 consoles. Makes the emulation of PS1/2 games on PS3/4 look like garbage.

[Razzer]

“Yeah it's not like a company would give you free upgraded and enhanced backward compatible titles.”

If that company barely makes any new games then what is the point? No one buys a console just to play last gen games.

[Brian7655492]

Wouldn't having one system do it all be better? We have already seen how a more powerful console can actually improve older titles so to me the best scenario would be the PS5 playing PS4 titles and using its brute force like Beast Mode.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Whoa slow down with all that logic.

[darthv72]

@Z501, you would think but older hardware tends to fail at some point where as newer technology can extend the life of older warez.

@Razzer, people buy a console to play games. New or old, no matter so long as they are playing games they enjoy. Plus it seems many are enjoying the older fruits from the tree as of late with the popularity of things like retropie. They are playing older games on newer means and having fun doing it so at least having the option is never a bad thing.

[Kosic]

Sadly space does become an issue for many.
Sony knows we want BC. But they tried to be greedy and charged for it (PSNow). If Xbox 5 starts with Xbox one BC and further. It'll force Sony to rethink.

[MadLad]

Yeah. Those playing 4k versions of past xbox games are so dumb ...

[bolimekurac]

its funny how some gamers say they buy a console to play new and exciting games yet all i see is gamers super happy with old games on the switch, remakes on the ps4 and xbox and pay for these old games .

[iofhua]

It will. At first.

Then they will cut it from the redesign and you'll be floating down shit creek.

But you'll buy the Ps6 anyway.

[bluefox755]

Of course we will, it will have the best games. Most people buy a console to play new games not old ones.

[Sitdown]

But if you haven't played the game before, isn't it new to you? 🤔

[Aenea]

If it's in software they do not need to 'cut it'....

[neutralgamer1992]

fallen

i think it's pretty much common sense for ps5 to be able to play ps4 games since they will have similar PC type design where as ps3 used the cell processor. Honestly speaking i hope sony uses the MS tactics and from launch of ps4 all ps1 and ps2 games along with ps4 are BC(imagine that announcement and the positive PR)

as someone who only owns a ps4 i may buy a xbox x when it's under $350 to play some of the original xbox/xbox360 titles which look/play better

[Aenea]

It will....

They've always had BC in their console, the PS4 doesn't for a well known reason, PS3 emulation needs rather more powerful hardware to do it right (and yes, it IS way more difficult than x360) and now since MS supports it and they and their users are making a lot of noise about it I'm sure the PS5 will again be BC...

[Kribwalker]

so, you would like to play old games? 🤔

[Aenea]

@krib

Where did I say that, hmm? I was just answering a question which was on-topic. Your post is not...

[DigitalRaptor]

It's certainly a weird question to ask, isn't it Aenea?

[WelkinCole]

Yeah it should and would still keep the price low because PS5 should be using the same architecture as the PS4.

I was fine with the PS4 not being BC because I still keep my PS3 next to my PS4 however with the PS5 I would like to replace my PS4 with it.

Also seeing with the PS3 I hardly used its BC functions and it really put the cost up which affected Sony badly at the start of the PS3 era.

[DarXyde]

Even better if it plays PS4 games as like a PS4 Pro Plus.

[fathertime4464]

Damn straight all next gen better be! If they're going to end this cycle shorter than the last one all the while the machines aren't even fully optimized and utilized like they're predecessors they better damn well make concessions for back compat

[rainslacker]

Having read the patent abstract this may actually be for PS3 BC. The only reason to disrupt timing on a system that uses the same architecture, is to mimic the timing used in a completely different architecture. x86 doesn't require timing interrupts of this nature at the hardware level, as CISC doesn't actually process tasks until another process is done, and the software calls for the next bit of code that it needs processed. The timing itself is done through software and it won't act on an execution before it's supposed to. Because of this, the software itself isn't timed like it is in RISC low level code. However, when you look at something like the SPE's in the PS3's CELL, timing is extremely important....which is why it was so hard to program for....something that wasn't carried over into the GPU compute paradigm that took over CELL functions.

Since I doubt Sony is going to be going with a CPU which is powerful enough to run SPE code, they're likely looking at a way to perform these SPE functions through the GPU with GPU Compute, which would suggest that the PS5 GPU may be more substantial than one might expect. Current and even projected GPU's still aren't fast enough or poweful enough to keep up with how fast the SPE's could process certain kinds of code, but this kind of interrupting would be a way to do such a thing as timing would be done on the hardware level to interpret it for the software layer.

Either that, or there may be timing issues with PS4's set up which may not be present in the PS5. Or just Sony patenting an idea they have to handle stuff because they do that sometimes too.

Time will tell I guess. But I've become much more intrigued about what Sony's future plans may be.

[Kavorklestein]

Nice brainstorming, I think you may have some good points there.

Tech really is fascinating especially when it resonates with you as a gamer, being able to enjoy such fun, challenging, and unique activities because of, or thru technology.

To me you seem like one of these kinds of people who gets into the parts and design kind of like a car enthusiast would. Or by a further stretch, sports and comic book fans, and even music lovers. For some, Sometimes the technique, mastery, craft, or engineering or evolution behind these things is just as intruguing as the objects and activities themselves.

Big fans and People like that are always cool in my book.

Cheerio, Sir.

[strifeblade]

but but I don't care about backwards compatibility!

[IamTylerDurden1]

Of course PS5 will be backwards compatible, hence the advantages of x86. I don't know why anyone ever thought it wouldn't be?

[Mr-Dude]

It better, Sony doesn't have the Cell chip excuse anymore. Otherwise it would be the first PlayStation console I would buy used later in the gen. And go full PC on the rest..

Make it right Sony

[Jamaicangmr]

I could never comfortably buy a used console. I would never really trust it's durability under my type of usage.

[Goldenhawk521]

Damn, well then what IS your type of usage? Grilling hotdogs and hamburgers?

[ZeroX9876]

@Goldenhawk521
Well cleaned area, frequently cleaned up the fans for proper ventilation, not having your console in a closed environment where it could overheat. never dropped it when bringing to a friend's place, never smoked in the same room as your console, etc.
That kind of usage.

[_-EDMIX-_]

So what's a better alternative? Literally not playing games at all? at the end of the day I've bought multiple systems used and never really had big problems with them because at the price that I'm paying for by the timing issue arises the system used will be even cheaper.

So I recently actually bought a used Nintendo Wii for one of my family members as well as actually buying a used PlayStation 4 for my sister.

Trust me buddy it's not that big a deal I even bought the 3 DS used so please stop trying to pretend as if buying it second-hand is some sort of sacrilege it's just such a stupid excuse to not play a game.

So what's the alternative? Sitting down and waiting for a company To support a Library of software that they may never actually do? I mean all the time you're actually wasting you probably could have beaten many of those games you wanted to play several times over.

So I'm not waiting for Sony to do any type of backwards compatibility I'm not waiting for Capcom to rerelease onimusha , buddy I already randomly replayed the series a couple weeks ago, but by all means you're free to keep waiting for miracles to happen 😎

I don't mind buying used, I keep my systems, I complete the games that I like and I move on

Oh, but you wait because you don't want to be spending money... Good luck with that lifestyle let me know how that's working out for you 😂😂😂

[NXFather]

Leaving it on for a yr straight all while keeping the most intense games paused for weeks at a time.

Edit: Sorry this was aimed @Goldenhawk

[Jamaicangmr]

@ Goldenhawk521 You made me laugh out at work. However @ZeroX9876 basically listed my concerns with general care and why i purchase my consoles new. Specially regular vent cleaning and ensuring it is always located where it can breath properly at all times. Also what @NXFather that is horrifying to think it was put though that kinds of abuse but definitely motivation to be a first owner. I buy all my consoles Day one except the first Playstation and that's because i couldnt afford it while i was in school back in Jamaica.

[Jamaicangmr]

@EDMIX i just stated that i wouldn't be afforded the peace of mind i enjoy while using my consoles if it were used. How did you get to sacrilege? Damn bro Smh!

[frostypants]

What are you doing with it beyond turning it on and playing games?

[Eldyraen]

Same, and I’ve thought about buying consoles even.

N64 on I’m okay for thankfully, as they’re my originals, but older consoles not so much. Wish when i was a kid the family kept my old systems but we always sold them to friends to upgrade. Which was great at the time but less so for nostalgic purposes of today.

You just never know who, or how many, has had hands on the older consoles and games at this point. NES, Sega, SNES, etc (which are not applicable for BC/Sony talk, but relevant on same principles) especially. But original PS1 will be 20 soon which leaves the same sort of questions for people nowadays.

You have to find a trusted source or just hope you’re lucky for most ps2 or earlier systems and games. PS3 and 360 is still new enough where they’ve probably not traded hands quite as much.

[frostypants]

It's not always that easy. What's Microsoft's excuse for the One not being truly BC with the 360? The "BC" they offer is really just them reprogramming 360 games to run on the One, and offering them for download. Granted the systems are similar enough to make that more feasible than between the PS4 and PS3, but it's still not true BC.

Most consoles throughout history have not been fully BC with the prior gen. The OG PS3 was a rare exception, and it did it by literally having PS2 hardware on the motherboard. Other than some of the 1980s Atari systems I can't think of any others.

[nitus10]

I think you mean recompiling not reprogramming.

From what I can gather and I quote from a Google search:

"Microsoft announced Xbox One backward compatibility at E3 2015 and started rolling out the function on November 12, 2015. Xbox 360 discs do not play natively but trigger a download of a compatible file, while downloadable titles tied to the logged-in user account appear automatically. Dec 18, 2017"

So basically you can't just stick in an XBox350 disk in an XB1 and expect it to play via an emulator.

I would also assume that you will not be able to play the XBox360 game unless you insert the disk or "of course" pay for the digital game from the store.

BTW. The PS2 could play PS1 games natively and all PS3's can play PS1 games natively. Only the Original FAT PS3's as you quite rightly pointed out could play PS2 games by basically having a PS2 in the machine although the PAL versions had a combination of PS2 hardware and software emulation which only allowed approximately 85~90% of PS2 titles to be played.

[PhoenixUp]

I don’t even get why PS4 can’t naturally play PS1 & PS2 games.

Playing PS1 especially games has always been a time honored tradition by every PlayStation system(console, handheld, & even phone) until PS4 arrived.

[Cmv38]

Ps1 games maybe, but ps2 and ps3 would be a architecture issue. Not saying it's impossible, but it would cost Sony extra money.

[WelkinCole]

@cigi, Sony does not infinite source of money. If they spend money on that it will most likely pull money from somewhere else. Personally I rather they put all their money to making current gen games.

[kneon]

Ps3 architecture is too different to be emulated efficiently. It's not that it can't be done, just that it takes a lot more computing resources. Maybe the ps5 will be powerful enough to do it, but the ps4 isn't .

[paintedgamer1984]

I think it would be better if it was a service where all prior ps games were all there rather than needing the physical disc which im sure most dont have nor would you be able to just go freely buy them. If all ps1-ps4 games were available by console/genre id have no issue if there was like a ps+ premium where instead of 49 or 59 it would be an extra 5-10$ a month on top of that... So for like 120-180 a year you could have ps+ plus ALL prior playstation games 😎

[nitus10]

You can download selected remastered or native (via emulator) PS2 games for the PS4 and if you are not in a "must have" hurry you can get them quite cheaply.

The problem you have with PS1 games is the fact that many are very grainy when displayed on a large screen display (smaller displays are normally acceptable). PS2 games unless remasted and/or smoothed have DVD quality which can look blurry on large displays. Of course, graphical acceptability is player dependent.

You also have to remember that digitally downloaded PS2 games do have achievements although whether this is important is up to the player.

[Enjoigamin]

Because sony fd up

[kevnb]

it can play ps2 games, hackers have exposed the functionality. There is often bugs with non officially supported games, but the emulator is already built. Sony would rather charge you per game to use their emulator, they dont care if you already own the game.

[blackblades]

Funny thing is you can play ps1 through a emulator and upscaled.

[Vipre77]

AFAIK, PS4’s DVD-ROM drive cannot read CD’s at all. All PS1 Games were on CD-ROM. Many PS2 games were on CD-ROM, also, at least early on in the generation before DVD media and tooling was cheaper.

That said, it does seem odd that Sony has not made the PS1 classics line-up playable from the PSN store. Apparently they just haven’t spent any time porting their in-house emulator over to PS4. Other projects clearly have been higher priority.

[kevnb]

their drives can read cds for sure, they just never bothered to have software to actually play music from a cd.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

It’s not a matter of can’t. Sony couldn’t monetize older games if they had true BC

[meganick]

PS4 doesn’t have a CD reader to play PS1 games, but it should still be able to play them in digital download form. I don’t understand why it doesn’t.

[Chaosdreams]

Uh either it has backwards combatibility with physical/digital PS4 games or it's a no buy.

[WilliamSheridan]

Let's be honest, it'll be backwards compatible and we will buy it

[Chaosdreams]

*Nods* A hundred percent.

[OffRoadKing]

If we're really being honest BC isn't as important as some make it out to be and it will sell regardless much like PS4 did.

[Kavorklestein]

I'm conflicted... I Agree that YOU Will definitely buy it.
I disagree that we can factually Confirm BC as a 100% certainty at this time.

I Agree with the notion that Sony SHOULD have BC on PS5, however I Disagree with simply saying "it WILL" as of right now.

Only time will tell.

[WilliamSheridan]

It would be like shooting themselves in the foot if they don't do backwards compatibility...

[littletad]

The disagrees confuse me so much. You've spent possibly a thousand or less on ps4 games this generation and you woudln't want them to be backward compatible with the next ps5? Especially considering the possible enhancement of 4k 60fps? It needs to be backward compatible and should be.

[Chaosdreams]

I was confused at first but then I remembered that while many have a ps4 and enjoy Sony products, there are still those who literally think anything that isn't praise for Sony is blasphemy. They'd rather go broke apparently and silently show their disdain for anything they disagree with.

[yellowgerbil]

My parents bought me thousands in clothes when i was a kid, never heard mom complain that my highchool clothes couldn't work with my kindergarten shoes

[notachance]

lol it's nice but it's not so important that the lack of it warrants a no-buy from me...

[kevnb]

people are the same with politics, if its coming from a company/person they support it doesn't even matter what they do.

[Kavorklestein]

@Yellow gerbil
Kind of a cool comparison. Never thought of it like that.

However, your mom's spending out of love and necessity is never going to be quite the same thing as people wanting a good deal and awesome features.

Maybe it won't phase you or your decisions, and that's fine.

It surely does, and will... phase others tho. Especially when choosing an ecosystem to play on. Just like picking a Sony console for it's great exclusives is a factor that many will consider when deciding their next console(s).
Neither is more or less relevant or important definitively.
All pros and cons always have been and will almost always be decided on a subjective level, decided by the buyer, for their own reasons.

Now popular opinion is another factor folks have to consider, and Sony consoles are always a safe bet, and are always quite popular!

Let's call it like it is instead of making excuses for short sighted decisions, eh?

[Vasto]

BC is a must feature going forward for consoles.

[NickAwesome]

I really hope this is true! backward compatibility is a really neat feature!

[jrshankill]

Not what everyone was saying previously. Xbox One brought BC and the Sony camp said it was dumb.

180s everywhere. Again.

[Stogz]

Just like power didnt matter til the Xbox x came out. Stop pretending it doesn't go both ways dude.

[BlackTar187]

ps3 had it and people didn't care enough to pay for the specs to deliver it.

But sure buddy.

[Omnislashver36]

Sony fans never said it was dumb. They said it was dumb to invest in that and not new games. MS pools a ton of resources to play 360 games but can't produce a new AAA 1st Party studio.

We all enjoyed BC on PS1/2/3 where it was affordable and didn't hinder new game production. We didn't care for it on PS4 because it would have been costly to rework every game, especially those designed around the Cell.

With PS5 most should work without patching or even a minor patch, so we want it back because it's cost effective again.

[blackblades]

Yeah a neat feature but not a must have feature.

[VTKC]

Yeah yeah they will have it and then quickly removed due to production costs. We all been there, dont get your hopes up. i am just going to keep previous PlayStations.

[Fishy Fingers]

Could and should be done through software emulation on x86. Only reason the original PS3 required hardware was due to it unorthodox architecture.

[Death]

@Fishy,

Both the PS3 and 360 were PowerPC based. The PS1 and PS2 were more of a custom solution and both were playable on early PS3’s in either hardware emulation at launch or software emulation shortly after. The Xbox One and PS4 are x86 based and Microsoft created a solution to play 360’s PowerPC based games on new hardware. Sony choose to spend hundreds of millions to create a streaming service for the “old” games many PS4 fans claim to not want.

[Razzer]

Equating 360 and PS3 as PowerPC based is disingenuous. The Cell processor was a much more complicated chip than the 360’s more traditional CPU. Emulating the Cell isn’t nearly as simple.

And I don’t know if any PS4 users who do not “want” BC. Simple fact of the matter is that BC hasn’t been the killer feature that pulled gamers over to the Xbox side. Current gen games are still the reason for owning current gen games. Period

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Well the Cell was PowerPC based so that’s a fact. Aside from the SPEs nothing super special about it. The PS3 GPU was crap

[Razzer]

Oh....you mean aside from the thing that made it significantly different, it was the same? lol. It had a single PPE along with 6 SPEs that made life hell for many developers. The 360 has three PPEs and no SPEs at all. It was a simpler design entirely.

[supes_24]

I was gonna comment that I don't really think BC is that big a deal and that's how I usually feel towards the subject, however, this gen is different. The talk of a PS5 is too soon IMO, heck I'm not ready to upgrade any time soon. I feel like the PS4 has so much more to go and do, so this is the reason why I'm on b board with BC for PS5. The PS4 will be supported for years afterwards. Man, that Spider-Man game looks epic doesn't it?

[Neonridr]

I wouldn't worry. I am thinking 2020 at the earliest. Some articles just like to jump ahead for no reason :P

[G20WLY]

Clicks lol

[DialgaMarine]

I figured this was obvious with the switch to x86. It would certinaly be a smart idea on Sony’s part.

So long as they don’t use it as an excuse to make less games. *wink wink nudge nudge*

[slappy508]

It would be to Sony's benefit if Ps5 can play ps4 and even ps3 games. If they are all on the marketplace, consolidated, kinda like steam it'll generate larger digital sales for them because of the larger market place. They could also in theory increase the value offered by ps plus for new Ps5 users if their monthly games are ps4 and 5 mixed to users who don't have a ps4 and would otherwise be missing out on those older gen games

[DialgaMarine]

Screw PS3 BC.

[Eidolon]

I don't know man, I'd love to see enhanced PS3 games or even a simple upscale with smoother framerates and no tearing, shorter load times, and less texture pop in.

[Ninver]

In my opinion and i have reason to believe most folks will agree when i say "every new console generation needs to be backwards compatible with at least two generations prior!"

[crazyh0rse]

when xbox one did backwards compatibility yall say it was pointless now backwards compatibility is fine smh

[Ninver]

It was and always will be "fine". Remasters just offer higher graphical fidelity and smother framerates. Both are much welcomed.

[Sonic_Vs_Mario]

Backwards compatible offers smoother frame rate on Xbox One X

[Skankinruby]

I still maintain that it's pointless. These comments are nonsense

[xX-oldboy-Xx]

It's pointless if it's there to buff out your library or used as a bullet point. There to distract people from the fact you don't release new titles for your system.

OT: There's no reason why it shouldn't be BC, not the be all need all - but it should be there.

Also can that dreadful PS5 design never be used as a thumbnail again, it's horrid.

[Razzer]

Who is this “yall”?

[WelkinCole]

It is pointless 3 years into the system cycle because by then there a lots of current gen game to play unlike at the start of the gen.

It would make more sense for Sony to have PS4 BC on the PS5 at PS5 launch. Not 3 years after when there are already numerous PS5 games to play on the PS5.

[BlackTar187]

No one ever said it was Pointless. Everyone said it wasn't a reason to buy a console which is what MS positioned it as because they have no new games to brag about.
No one cared about ps3 BC and when it was removed not very much noise was made about it. Cause it's a nice feature but that's all it is.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

Seems like that would be a complete PR failure on Sony's part if they went down the road of no BC for PS4 games on PS5.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Not really

you have to consider that the PlayStation 4 is literally one of the fastest selling home consoles in history yet it has zero backwards compatibility whatsoever , yet the Wii U had a backwards compatibility to one of the best selling systems with the Wii yet it also is going down as one of the worst selling game consoles out of the big three, so I'm sorry there's more evidence showing most users do not really care about this.

How is backwards compatibility helping out Wii U or Xbox One?

The Nintendo switch is not backwards compatible even slightly and it is one of the fastest selling portable gaming systems to release...

I mean I'm sorry buddy but real facts actually destroy your entire post.

[rainslacker]

A PR disaster, or even success, has nothing to do with if a system sells. Ms has some good PR since Spencer took over, yet it isn't doing as well. When it comes down to it, despite blunder or good PR, all that matters in the end is having a product that people want to buy. The rest is for fan boy forum discussion

[OC_MurphysLaw]

In fairness BC was a non-factor at the start of this generation as neither console was offering any solution for BC. So gamers were left with no choice on that front. PS4's success was largely due to backlash toward MS's launch blunders and the system they put forward being underpowered and higher priced than the PS4. Anyone on the fence seemingly had an easier choice to make than ever before. The WiiU was a disaster from end to end so its not worth discussing as Nintendo did so much wrong on that system it was doomed no matter what.

Fast forward, PS4 momentum is still present but its slowed. Competition for consumer dollars is now much tighter and the clear choice that was present at the PS4 launch is no longer there. If we see new systems from MS and Sony again in close proximity to each other and Sony were to not be giving a BC option it seems like that would be a misstep as you have to think MS won't make the mistakes they made with the xbox one launch.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Dla-I'm sorry but the excuse of Microsoft launch it's getting tiring Microsoft does not able to sell a lot of Xbox Ones compared to PlayStation 4 today in 2018 because of their actions in 2018 and has nothing to do with several years ago because people are choosing to buy systems based on what is available today not what happened 4 years ago.

So Microsoft issues have more to do with the Xbox One's software or lack thereof. Because if your entire theoretical was even true technically speaking the Xbox one should be out selling the PlayStation 4 with its backwards compatibility I mean technically speaking the Wii U should be out selling both of them so I'm sorry but the excuse is just stupid doesn't make sense in the math destroys your entire post.

So at the end of the day I truly believe that's Tony could really say PlayStation 5 in literally have it selling circles around the next Xbox regardless of how the next Xbox is announced in regards to backwards compatibility because the Nintendo switch in the PlayStation 4 are outselling the Xbox multiple times in circles with no backwards compatibility

I'm sorry but you don't have any damn numbers to support your post your entire post is conjecture in some sort of theory that can't even be backed in your scared to talk about the sales 😂😂😂.
So backwards compatibility is so good for the Xbox one that is not selling? So backwards compatibility is so amazing the Wii U failed?

Ohhh

But the Nintendo switch is selling laps around the Xbox One with zero backwards compatibility

PlayStation 4 is outselling the Xbox One with zero come backwards compatibility.

Soooooo going to have to help me understand how this really works with backwards compatibility in terms of how many people wanted because you cannot tell me that somehow it's going to be a big deal Next Generation yet it's not even a big deal right now. Going to have to help me understand how this really works with backwards compatibility in terms of how many people wanted because you cannot tell me that somehow it's going to be a big deal Next Generation yet it's not even a big deal right now

PlayStation 4 success has everything to do with what Sony Computer Entertainment is offering in regards to exclusive content.

People do not buy systems out of default so somebody else doing something bad it's not going to make you forcibly by somebody else's product clearly Sony Computer Entertainment must do something correctly in order to get the sale.

It's a disrespect two gamers to even try to suggest that PlayStation 4 sales are solely based on Microsoft failing as if Sony didn't do anything correctly to receive the sale.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

@ED... I never said PS4 library and exclusives are not compelling. I merely said BC at the launch of this generation was a non-conversation as no company offered. PS4's early success is 100% tied to Sony offering a great piece of hardware at the better price compared to the xbox and also all the issues the xbox had at the start. that position offered Sony the ability to ride the success of the hardware and their 3rd party deals far more than the appeal of their first party games. As we got past year one and into year two Sony's 1st party certainly started to shine and the strength of Sony 1st party and 3rd party deals is certainly the main driver for the systems continued dominance as we got into years 3 and 4 of the systems life. And yes that will continue, Sony isn't going to lose their position as market leader this generation. Their momentum is slowed by the entry and success of the Switch and Xbox continuing to be competitive in N.A. and UK markets in particular.... that doesn't mean Sony wont remain on top, just means their competition is working hard and getting somethings right.

Past success does not guarantee future success.... this is a life lesson and a business lesson all 3 console makers have seen and hopefully now learned from. In my opinion, not offering up some kind of true BC capability for the next system on Sony's side (or MS's as well) would potentially open the door for a competitor to win back a consumer that may have left them the previous generation. This also is not a guarantee of that happening but more a talking point should it be. If there is nothing to anchor you to the current ecosystem of XYZ console then seeing something offered by another company could entice said consumer to leave and try the competitor. Saying "you can buy your new PS5 and know you library will come with you" is a very powerful pro consumer message that would help anchor the current Sony user base. if PS5 launches and they don't have that option other than you can play your PS4 games by buying into PSNow it might not be terribly compelling in the face of a competitor Nintendo, Microsoft or even PC gaming to offer a system / price that might be more compelling on the stat/price level.

Lastly, just to address Switch. Switch is succeeding with out any BC for two main reasons: 1) its a compelling system that offers a very unique set of capabilities that neither Sony nor MS have a solution to. Being a Hybrid console has it in a unique space in the market compared to its competitors. 2) Switch has launched with tremendous well received 1st party games and the system is seeing good 3rd party support. Its a very unique and compelling offering to a market that is increasingly valuing the ability of mobile/flexibility of a system.

[sprinterboy]

I'm not bothered about bc but I know other people do though, I think it's important they have it as it would be blunder in there part imo. Someone did a survey a few yrs back and it the results were like 16% play bc games which. I think gamers think they want it but actually very rarely use it tbh.

[BeOpenMinded]

I have only played one BC title. This has no bearing on me wanting my current purchases to remain mine without keeping a system. Goes for both xbox and the PS

[paintedgamer1984]

Backwards compatibility is the one thing the ms is doing that i wish sony would adopt, but a streming service for ps5 like game pass where you download the game and pay a monthy sub for like 10$ a month to play ALL ps1, ps2, ps3, and ps4 games would be epic. New ps5 games would be the only 1s that like after 6-12 months when sales have finalized, are what wouldnt be available day and date. Im perfectly fine paying my 20$ a month to gamefly for all my new releases 😎

"Though he admits, it’s a much-requested feature from fans, he believes that it’s a feature that wouldn’t actually be used that much".

Still its a feature many gamers are asking for, if its not something that would cost or make sony lose $$ on i dont see why they wouldnt do it!

[Blu3_Berry]

That would be amazing if true, but I find it kinda hard to believe if they want to push their PSNow service. Really if they follow similar specs like the PS4 and not like the PS3, it should be easy for them to do. It will only make the PS5 more enticing to buy.

Now, the problem with that is other companies and publisher would hate it. Why? Because if the Ps5 can play Ps4 games, then there would be no reason to make remastered games when people can simply pick up the Ps4 version. You know companies love releasing their games from last gen to current gen from anywhere from $40-$60. They would hate that if that were to happen as they wouldn't be able to make as much money unless it was a full blown remake like Shadow of the Colossus and Crash Bandicoot.

Most companies and publishers hate putting effort into remastering/remaking games after all. They just want easy money with little effort. Great for us, bad for them.

[rainslacker]

Publishers would be ok giving up a few remaster if their entire catalog from the prior gen can continue to sell digitally. They'll even allow me to emulate their games for this chance, and it hasn't really decreased the number of remaster available.

[WelkinCole]

Publishers also wanted to kill the second hand gaming market at the start of the gen with MS help but Sony said no way. Considering how dominate Sony this gen has been. I am pretty confident that Sony will buck any pressure and side with gamers again next gen.

[Cmv38]

Thus feature matters the most in the first 2 years on a consoles life. After that it starts to dwindle in necessity. That's my outlook on it.

[G20WLY]

Totally agree. It stops your games backlog from holding you back from buying the new console.

Once games are releasing thick and fast, BC becomes a tiny footnote or an excuse not to make new games.

The danger is that they just trickle out last gen games to the service and people call it acceptable.

[EverydayGuy]

I think this might be for the old generation. If Sony refuse bc to PS4 which should be simple to accomplish, there will be huge backlash.

[Poobz]

Would be bizarre to not have PS4 BC on next gen.
I'd also be some what baffled if it could not also run PS3/2 and 1 unless Sony want to continue with PS Now with PS2 and 1 added.

[sazselesbon]

I don't know. It doesn't make sense, from a business perspective. MS needed such features because Xbox was the underdog, thus the necessity of pure fan service. But Sony fans spoke loud with their wallets, telling they're willingly repaying for the games they already own from prior generations, as long as they receive a remaster treatment. PS4 made a lot of money early this gen on this basis and I would be happily shocked if Sony implements full BC at PS5 launch. Besides, based on the comments on this site, most of PS owners downplayed BC when it came for Xbox, as an unecessary feature. If this particular demographic is representative of the market, most of them, customers, dont even want BC introduced on PS space, cause it would hurt the remaster business. For me, particularly, it would certainly impact my decision, cause I dont own a PS4, so I could play a lot of awesome exclusives if I come to buy a PS5 next gen. Think of the newcomers Sony!!

[Fist4achin]

I think with MS it is more a tacked on feature. Xbox players for the most part are hardcore online MP gamers and i dont see many playing older generational games. However, PS gamers have a broader mix of gamers that want to play older games, but sony knows they can milk an extra dollar here and there, so they will.

[rainslacker]

Whres the assumption that remaster would stop coming if bc were a thing? Ms does bc now, and they get remaster as well

[iofhua]

Until they decide to kill off BC in the new redesign of the Ps5 for reasons.

My launch 60gb Ps3 died and I have a Ps3 slim now and a catalog of Ps2 games I can't play anymore. BC wasn't the only feature of my Ps3 that got axed. I liked OtherOS functionality as well.

Which is why I don't buy Sony anymore.

[Gaming_1st]

Dang, i didn't know that if you don't have BC, you cant play your older games on the respective consoles.

[Razzer]

lol....so you don’t buy Sony because you can’t play PS2 games on your PS3 and you can no longer install some Linux OS? Some silly reasoning right there.

[rainslacker]

You don't buy Sony because they redesigned a console to cut costs, but you had already payed more for the launch version and had that feature until it died?

How long until.it died? Did you try to get it fixed? If Sony fixed it, they'd send you back the same kind you sent them.

Sounds more like your making stuff up to me.

Curious what you play then. Nintendo isn't supporting bc now. Ms has removed bc after a lackluster attempt on the 360. Are you only on pc now? Do you not play that due to DOS not being included with Windows anymore?

[PS3_Noob]

It will be deal breaker if PS5 cannot play PS4 games.

[Skankinruby]

WHO THE HELL CARES?! Good lord you people are retarded, you buy NEW consoles to play NEW games otherwise what the hell is the point of a NEW console. Backwards compatibility is nothing more than a 'neat' feature but in no way, shape or form is it at all a selling point.

[traumadisaster]

I actually love some of the ps3 exclusives and play them every year or two. I would also like to see my favorites with added graphical improvements on the ps5. I'm not retarded and I do care.

However as much as i like them you are correct it is relegated to a "neat" feature. But you are wrong in that its not a selling point in a shape or form, as im specifically waiting for the ps5 day 1 purchase or buy a cheap ps4 if no backwards compatibility.

[rainslacker]

I would use.bc quite often. But I feel I'm in an extreme minority. Overall, it wouldnt be a deal breaker, and I'd not use the feature as a primary reason to buy any system. It's a nice perk for those that like to play their older games.

[Felsager]

Sony will start doing things by the book. I'm not surprised of this decision.

They want to start strong and loaded off the gate. It's the best decision to start with backward compatibility since the PS4 library is extremely good. And still two more years the ps4 can survive easily with Last of Us 2, God of War, Days Gone, Spider Man, Detroit among many other title.

Sony began their reign. The PS5 will be the culmination of their decisions. They proved with the PS4 how to handle the video game industry. They delivered, they did fan service and they exceeded in their compromises satisfying costumers demands.

Sony, it's your time. Enjoy your wealth and your time. You worked very hard for it.

[cliveo32]

it will there is no doubt

[PGRfox]

The remake/remaster every good game lately at least once, if not more, so I could care less.

[ocelot07]

Although it would be a nice feature to have. It's not essential to me. But Sony do stick to x86 for the PS5 (I don't see why they wouldn't) then BC shouldn't be an issue.

[Jivesh]

I can understand why the PS4 is unable to play PS3 games but they have no excuse for the lack of B/C with PS5

[jerethdagryphon]

Exact

[akaFullMetal]

The reason ps4 doesn't have BC with ps3 is due to the cell architecture. Now that Sony has moved the ps4 to x86 there is no reason BC shouldn't be there on ps5 unless they don't want to.

[jokerisalive]

It would be nice especially since MS are ding it with Xbox. So many great games on PS4 I would like to have the 'option' of still playing once I upgrade to PS5. Would have loved to be able to play PS3 games on the PS4 if it had true BC.

[cellfluid]

If ps5 doesn't play ps4 games I'm not buying it. Ps4 has a strong library and it will look and play better on ps5. If Sony doesn't foster in this feature then it could impact sales dramatically as the ps5 won't have t@ many games @ launch!!

[kevnb]

I hope it does, and with better performance in games that could use a boost.

[Tetsujin]

It's probably going to be like the PS3 where one was backwards compatible and the other wasn't.

[rainslacker]

If they stick with x86, there really is no reason that it would be removed due to technical reasons. Gpu command architecture isn't set to change for some time now, just get faster, so no real reason at all since x86 just builds it's command set or gets faster like gpus are going to do for at least another 10 years.

[bluefox755]

Would be a nice feature, but not really that important to me.

[NeoGamer232]

I hope it does so we don't end up with another "Recycle" generation. That's what we are in, a recycle generation where it seems like over half the games being released are recycled from the past.

[NotAfanBoyy]

PS4.5.2.0

[jznrpg]

it’s nice for the transition of generations but after a coupl of years it doesn’t matter much at all unless you don’t have any games releasing and you are selling a new $500console based on old upgrades BC games but we know Sony won’t go that route

[kayoss]

I know its just a rumor, but it would be also great if we can transfer our PS4 digital game library to the PS5.

for the love of god, let me delete multiple people on my friend list. Deleting one person at a time is mind numbing tedious.

[GrimDragon]

I have a feeling this new ps5 with vr functionality, BC, and all the bells and whistles of a next gen console is going to be pretty expensive.....god help you if you end up looking for one on ebay.

[Felsager]

But the price will be justified for the following reasons:

1. Capable hardware.
2. PS4 successful list of exclusive games being upgraded.
3. VR and mixed reality.
4. A well established base of exclusive developers.
5. Sequels of legendary games such as Horizon Zero 2.
6. Remakes of great games.

This will be better than the PS4 in every single way and the PS4 was/is simply amazing.

[BlackTar187]

Radarrider

Your trophy list pretty much shows you barely play PS4 please get off these peoples Walnuts when it's obvious you ps4 is a paperweight.

[Tru_Blu]

No reason it won't, not like they used some crazy architecture this time. Only difference between PS4 and 5 will be better hardware inside. And I don't mean that in a bad way.

[Orionsangel]

It would be nice if it played PS3 games so I could play all my purchased PS3 digital games again. I don't have the room to have consoles laying all over the place.

[KickSpinFilter]

At the start of a new console gen a console should always have BC. A few years in to add it makes less sense since system will have many native games out for it. Plus now with all the digital games. Really all systems going forward just have to have BC.

[rainslacker]

Why is this a rumor. Sony already stated its intent to do this in an interview with Cerny after the reveal.

[dumahim]

I think the best part of this would be the need for a physical drive to read the discs.

[maybelovehate]

I don't see why it wouldn't now that they are a standard X86 platform. Unless they are just greedy lol

[Sweetbrandigirl]

I sure hope it plays PS4 games because I don't want ot lose the ability to play all my great games. I think having two consoles cluttering up my entertainment enter is unnecessary. My PS4 is dying I can tell becuase its getting glitchy sometimes it won't eject the games other times it won't turn on or off. It's almost time for a new console so I'll be holding out high hopes the PS5 will be everything I need it to be.

[NXFather]

Stop beating on it like a drum.

[Sweetbrandigirl]

LOL :)

[Xenophon_York]

And stop watching monkeypornhub.com with it. All that Java clogs up the cache.

(edit: stoopid auto-correct)

[Relientk77]

That would be sick if it played PS4 games

[NXFather]

It would be a healthy decision.

[Hardiman]

The only reason PS4 doesn't play PS3 games is because of the cell processor the PS3 had! PS5 will play PS4 games!

[Father__Merrin]

BC is a small factor. Nobody buys a new next gen console to play old last gen games.

You buy a new console to play new games. After a couple of years the older last gen console looses it's muster tbh

I'd prefer Sony to make PS4 with unique architecture so it's gets more exclusives

[UnholyLight]

It better play PS4 games lets just get that straight. Sony will make sure of that.

[ZombieKiller]

I think it will out of the box because of the competition having it this gen. I hope it does, and I hope that it plays them all in native 4K.

Regardless, Im buying it. I love what Sony has done in the last 10 years for gaming so I will support them!

[Twinblade]

I hope we don't get a ps5, until 2025.

[saimcheeda]

Hope it turns out this way

[TallonIV]

Now the sony fanboys care about BC lol

[Xenophon_York]

Could be that a lot of XBOX One gamers have converted over to PlayStation 4 and reasonably think it should be easy and obvious to include backwards compatibility in Sony's next, state-of-the-art console.

[BlackTar187]

I lol at people who think if you're not overexaggerating the impact and the importance of BC then you HATE IT AND NEVER WANT IT.

Lol you Xbox fans are silly.

[Xenophon_York]

Don't forget: Sony continues to sell many more previous generation consoles well after a next generation system is launched. Considering Sony's market strength, why would the company need to be forced into changing its standing on the topic of backwards compatibility—namely, that it doesn't want to include the feature?

Would be nice—but, certainly won't hold me back from adding a PlayStation 5 to set alongside my PlayStation 4 if Sony doesn't include it.

[Elda]

Agreed.

[3-4-5]

Disc drive + physical games confirmed.

[Minute Man 721]

May? It should

[DillyDilly]

It better

[Elda]

I've supported all 4 generations of PS consoles.Personally for me it's a nice addition to have BC but if it doesn't it's not a deal breaker knowing whenever I buy a new console for the new generation I want to play new generation games first & foremost.Though I do get why folks want BC.With or without it God willing I'll be in line buying a PS5.

[BlaqMagiq1]

I hope it does. And NATIVE at that.

[WeAreLegion]

PS1/PS2 emulation would be amazing, as well. PS3 would be very difficult.

[Xenophon_York]

You're not hoping for much, are you?😃

[WeAreLegion]

What?

[ZAF]

Ps4 couldn't play ps3 games because of the ps3 architecture and the cell, PS5 will have similar hardware to ps4 but with 3 to 4 times more power.

[CP_Company]

i wish PS5 could play PS3 games. there is plenty great titles which did not get remaster treatment

[MadLad]

That would go against company policy of reselling you your old games.

[MadLad]

Eh. My PC is fully backwards compatible.

[PUBG]

May play PS4 games? It better damn well!

[OffRoadKing]

Or what? PS4 didn't play PS3 games and it seemed to work out ok for Sony.

[PUBG]

Or I won't buy one...

[OffRoadKing]

Your loss.

[PUBG]

So be it. I' not married to a console. I was burned big time by investing heavily in digital downloads on the PS3, and if burned again, I won't support Playstation until they change their practises. If you support this kind of corporate behaviour, then they'll just keep doing it. Currently, the only safe platforms, when it comes to building a digital library, which is my preference, is PC and Xbox. Who would have ever thought that Microsoft would be more consumer friendly than the competition. Four years ago, I would not have thought it possible, but here we are.

[OffRoadKing]

There's more to being "consumer friendly" then just providing backwards compatibility. Choosing to go digital was your choice and sometimes choices come with consequences. That's why I chose the safer path of holding onto my previous console for a period of time and predominantly buying physical.

[robleroy]

This would be the most stupid idea making a new console BC.
It would lead to massively dumping the old ps4 console leading to a firm pricedrop of the old, which indirectly then also puts a pressure on the price of the new PS5.

It will never happen!!!!
Sony is good for the gamers, but does not make stupid decisions which will lead to its own downfall.

[Xenophon_York]

Upvoted but I'd be careful with those absolutes. Stating "it will never happen" are famous last words.

[Artemidorus]

You pay to play millennials are desperate to start something that won't happen for years.

[ziggurcat]

I will say what I have always said: patent don't mean anything because they more-than-often don't even see the light of day. I would not take this patent to mean that PS4 games will be playable on the next console.

I think they would be foolish not to have that functionality, though.

[Tankbusta40]

Oh no who wants to play "old games" around here you'd think that would be a negative with the ps fanboys.

I am really excited(If it comes true). I have enjoyed the backwards compatability on my one x since I didn't have a 360

[Ryuujinjakka]

Sales prove that the majority of gamers don't give a sh** about BC.

[Tankbusta40]

How exactly do you come to that conclusion(the xone didn't launch with the feature and Microsoft made so many mistakes that hamstrung it... If you are talking about over all sales in the current gen) ? The majority of backwards compatible games that are sold are pre owned. Ignorance like this just runs rampant around here. Options are never a bad thing, only in the video game world do people hate choice.

[Ryuujinjakka]

numbers?

[OffRoadKing]

75 million units sold for a console that has no BC, that's probably how he came to that conclusion.

[Einhander1971]

I have PS1, PS2, PS3, PS4, when PS5 comes I will have one. Backwards compatibility is good but not a deal breaker for me :)

[Eidolon]

I still like the idea of enhanced titles.

[Xenophon_York]

But most backwards compatible titles aren't enhanced—they're just emulated.

[GNCFLYER]

I want it to play PS4 games also.

I don't know how many PS4 games I'll play because realistically when a new console launches I seem to only want new games.

And when the new games play better and look better I just want those.

I'm sure I'll use the BC somewhat but play new games first.

[ILostMyMind]

BC is good for when the console is new and has few good games. And for nostalgia.

[Xenophon_York]

That's how most gamers will be. We want the ability, even if we don't get a chance to use it. The fulcrum is that there's a increase in development cost and licensing that get passed on to us that we typically prefer not to have.

[Bismarn]

Y'all realize there is no PS5 right??!

[Xenophon_York]

You realize there is no Red Dead Redemption 2, Avengers: Infinity War, Star Wars: Episode IX, Deadpool 3, Super Mario Odyssey 2 right??!

Point is: Just because something is only in the development phase and not on a shelf or screen somewhere doesn't indicate it can't be discussed. If you don't want a PlayStation 5 in the next year or two, don't get one—Sony will still publish games for its previous generation for a couple years after the new one comes—but don't impede on those of us who do want it.

[Bismarn]

development phase? next year or two? We don't even know for sure if there will be a next generation of physical media console hardware. This article is like debating the mating habits of bigfoot; first you have to prove its existence.

[HeyNowChillax]

Consumer demand is past the point of not requiring and enjoying this feature. System wide enhancements, old library of backlog support out of the box and for godsake, Bluetooth compatibility between accessories regardless of gen, which I can't believe is really a thing.

[sinncross]

The PS5 will play PS4 software. I dont think there is any doubt about this when you consider how important network sales are to the PS brand. PS5 playing PS4 software almost ensures current consumers jump to the PS5 since their purchases move with them. With the bigger importance on digital sales for console games this gen, this makes sense for Sony to implement. They were lucky to make the clean break from PS3 when they did (before digital became so important to mass consumers)

[RonsonPL]

Cannot be! What a surprise! x86 CPU and PC GPU, who ever saw old games playable on newer PC hardware! Absolute shocker!

[NXFather]

Yeah I still hope it is bc with the PS3 also. I already sent them the code today for Super Perfect Cell Emulation, so I just hope they do their part. I only hope this because the max hd size of ps3 is 1.5 tb and I have 800 or so games in my backlog. I also have about 250 on PS4. I not a game hoarder. I just don't play games currently but, have in the past. So I want the luxury when the time comes.

[blacktiger]

I ain't buying PS5 to play PS4 or to have some memory when so many PS5 will come up with crazy engine in gameplay. This backward compatibility is a joke,

[Xenophon_York]

Starting to seriously consider the idea that since there is little-to-no credible buzz about an XBOX Two that the PlayStation 5 is going to release a year or two before it.

What is the latest Microsoft would, should or could push out its next generation console? Would two years after the PS5 cause a lot of its tired-of-waiting core fan-base to jump over to a PlayStation 5?

[Protagonist]

Let it play PS3 games, and it is a solid winner.

[TheOttomatic91]

Certainly hope so would be awesome if it could play PS1-3 games as well

[Thomaticus]

That's a start... what about PS1, 2, and 3?

[gamer7804]

I'd hope all future consoles would be backwards compatible, its kind of expected now.

[Kumakai]

Then suddenly they’ll be all about backwards compatibility and what a great value it is after downplaying it’s importance on Xbox. Thx, crystal ball.

[OffRoadKing]

"they" who?

[SameOldx2]

NOT going to happen. Why would the PS5 have PS4 bc. Whenever it launches, the PS4 will still be selling. It would be a bad business move on Sony's part.

[JD_Shadow]

BC should be a standard from here on out, but one question:

WHY ARE WE TALKING AS IF A PS5 EXISTS RIGHT NOW? I've yet to see anything other than someone wanting Sony to work on a new console. Until a creditable source says something to the possibility that Sony is working on ANYTHING new console wise, or until we hear it mentioned at E3 this or next year, I would say this is pure speculation of what they might do SHOULD they announce a new console in the next year or so.

[KTF26]

x86 makes more sense than alternatives
with same ISA it's better be backward compatible

and the CPU should be powerful enough to emulate PS1, PS2, PSP, PS Vita and at least some PS3 games

[_LarZen_]

And suddenly those who have talked crap about backwards compatibility on Xbox One for years will say it's an awesome feature :D

[Mr_Writer85]

Why would it need a patent?

[Eulderink]

if true, a huge thing for me always hated that they dropped it.

[Ninjamonkey82]

Not getting my hopes up even with a shorter generation and a mid gen upgrade i can see us still playing remasters. But we only have areselfs to blame.