The Xbox One X makes the PlayStation 4 Pro feel like a half-measure

"Sometimes power is its own selling point"

Polygon guns PS4 Pro in favour of the Xbox One X

[Gazondaily]

Well I think so but that's compounded by the fact that Sony didn't go hard on this iteration of the hardware. Sony didn't need to, to be honest and MS being drastically on the backfoot felt compelled to. Do think the Pro support/ performance is wank compared to the X.

The X is merking the Pro harder in many ways than many expected. Still, it's a very niche market and it won't change any tides.

[Rude-ro]

It is Microsofts third iteration of a console this gen... they had no option.
But any console looks good when it is just putting make up on an Xbox One game. It is basically a 360 from last gen.

[threefootwang]

Third iteration?

Black Xbox One - Black PS4

Xbox One Slim - PS4 Slim

Xbox One X - PS4 Pro

[darthv72]

Would you also say the ps4 is a ps3 from last gen?

[darthv72]

@rude... all that proves is like last gen Sony took something away from their revised system while Ms added some things in.

Remember all the usb ports and the ps2 hardware and media reader of the ps3? the revised system comes out with no media reader, stripped out ps2 bc and fewer USB ports while the 360 went from bad cooling and design to internalized wifi, hdmi, better cooling and design.

So while the ps4 slim removed the optical port, that still counts as removing something that was there in the initial system. The xbo added uhd drive, faster cpu / gpu and internalized power on top of reducing the size and db the system makes when running.

Sony is a friggen hardware company and they got served by a friggen software company on how to release a slimmed down system after the initial release. They still got served by the same friggen software company on how to make a mid gen system that boarders on next gen level.

The only thing that sony knows how to serve is consistent game releases. MS can suck a lemon for their decision making when it comes to releasing games on a regular basis.

[ClanPsi1]

@XMessiah23x They actually did. The PS4 Slim doesn't have an optical audio port. I don't use optical audio, though, so I don't really care. Also, the base PS4 didn't really have anything special that could be taken away, so I wouldn't commend them in any way. It didn't have backwards compatibility, it didn't have a bunch of USB ports, and it didn't have any type of card reader.

[Christopher]

@darth just to be fair, those PS3 things were removed for the same reason MS removed the forced Kinect this generation. The one time Microsoft did downgrade their system to lower the price.

No clue why Sony would remove an optical port, though.

[headblackman]

@ Rude-ro

ps4 pro is sony's 3rd iteration of the ps4 as well, so they're even

[S2Killinit]

I think they are referring to the fact that the PS4 Slim is only different in how it looks. The xbox S I believe is a slightly better version of the OGxbone correct? So you could say the Pro is really only the second "iteration" of the PS4.

[dcbronco]

Hey, ThreeInch,
It's sad clowns will agree with you just because they believe they are being supportive but saying that as a negative is pretty stupid. Every console generation has multiple versions of the hardware. The new iterations are how we get price cuts. The design matures, parts shrink and the box shrinks as well to cut cost. That expands the user base which increases the chance a game makes a profit. That gets a console exclusives and keeps developers in business. New iterations are at the heart of what makes gaming a viable business. But good luck with those brownie points anyway.

[Cyborgg]

"won't change any tides."

Did Microsoft really think it would catch up to Sony in sales and exclusive games and multiplatform games because of the One X?

[LamerTamer]

I prefer the types of games on Playstation as a SP gamer but I have to agree this time. Support for the Pro was very weak. Where are all of the upgraded graphical features? A few games get a slight bump in resolution and that was it, big deal. I would have expected more upgraded frame rate and effects modes (at 1080p at least) as an option instead of resolution. I don't care about a slightly crisper edge here and there if the game is choppy or has soupy textures.

[Mister_Wolf]

Power hardware by the Microsoft, no doubt.

But the PlayStation does have more interesting games.

It all comes down to that.

[Ju]

The X does exactly what it's supposed to do. I'd rather say, the Pro (as cheap as it is) gives it quite a run for the money.

[Zabatsu]

Well, to be fair, when you don't have any exclusive games to deliver, you have to deliver a better console, performance and graphics. Why would people ever else feel the need to buy a new Xbox? The only boast-factor that I personally see with owning an X, is the simple fact that I would get to brag about owning the console with the best performance available on the market. But what games would I play that I can't play on my PC on equal settings?

Sony wins anyway. I rather see the effort and extra cash go down on the games than the hardware. I would sacrifice graphics for good games and even if you did turn the tables, the Pro is cheaper than the X for a reason. If MS and Sony had released the Pro and X at the same time-period, you could bet your *** that they would be equal in performance and graphics, but that would've been a suicide mission from MS.

[rainslacker]

It's a mid gen. Mid implies half. Neither mid gen was really needed, and they both feel like a half step to the next gen because the support is lacking

[RosweeSon]

In many ways like what as price quality and library of games all pretty big points they are getting smashed at. It’s more expensive sure it’s more powerful... to play 360 and OG Xbox games as the current Gen library for the system is lacking at best. 2018 doesn’t look much better either.
Not to mention half the amount of users and that’s not gonna change.

[S2Killinit]

Na, I think games are what gaming consoles are supposed to be about. otherwise anytime any idiot company comes up with a newer console we should all go buy that newer console because its bound to be more powerful. Stupid article really.

I think the sales ratify that the majority of gamers agree.

[TheEroica]

Dat article title tho... Daumn.

[gokuss122002]

Can't wait to see what X.B.O.X versions of Spiderman and Detroit: Becoming Human will look like...

[Kribwalker]

I agree.

[Pantz]

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[Why o why]

that's actually kinda creative.

You should pitch that to MS

[Pantz]

Borrowed from another poster, hope it catches on though

[AmUnRa]

Nooo i never thought that Kribwalker would be positive over another XboxOneX news, no way!!!😇

[Kribwalker]

i never expected an army of sony fans to barrage any positive MS article, yet again, here we are 😉

[maybelovehate]

PS4 Pro was sadly just a mistake. Everything is half baked.. The 4k isn't 4k. The VR is the worst out there. I don't know what Sony was thinking.

[bluefox755]

Weird, most consumers this holiday seem to disagree with you.

[Dlaw76]

The same people who lines up to get the new Justin Bieber albums so that's saying much

[Elda]

Yep! All I saw shopping last weekend was mostly folks buying a PS4 slim.

[ThatGuyDart]

Sony is actually making money on VR.

[bolimekurac]

no they are not, there is a million sold and how much money was invested. they where giving the psvr away this holiday. its a loss

[MegaMohsi]

@bolimekurac show me some numbers and not your dumb opinion.

[Kribwalker]

@mega

the last numbers revealed were in june where it hit 1 million after hitting 915,000 by february (85,000 units in 4th months) I’m sure it has moved a bunch of units now that sony has bundled big games and cut the price in half, but thats to be expected when no one was buying it at full price

[notachance]

weird, how come I never heard you say that for the actual long-running half-baked mistake, OG Xbox One.. and S?

with the way Pro felt like a 'mistake' to you, surely that thing is a trash beyond all trash in comparison?

[MonChiChi]

Think he meant that it was a sad mistake he never got a pro or ps4 at that.

[AspiringProGenji]

They weren’t thinking about desperately winning internet resolution wars that’s for sure. When they have their base product outselling the competition by a huge marging, they don’t have to rush to next gen. The PS4 may be underpowered in comparisson, but they got the games and the talent to make it shine more than the XboxX would hope by just bumping textures of old games.

And PSVR the worst? Based on what? It is outselling the rest and it is actually making money to Sony, So that is what they were thinking. Too hard for you to grasp?

[Ju]

Interestingly, Pro titles run usually more stable than X implementations. Only when those get dialed down they deliver the same. Sure more potential on X, which it should be of course. Being more expensive and more powerful. But performance fluctuates when they push the hw in most cases. When they don't, we get the expected delta to the pro. Really no surprise there. I have never seen any of those issues on the pro, though

[yomfweeee]

4K isn't 4K on X1X either the same way.

[Mister_Wolf]

Tbh, any sane person would know that if you want a good VR experience which showcases what it can do, would go straight to the PC. PSVR, was always entry level. Your own expectations let you down.

[Ju]

The VR is so bad, that it's the only solution to get if you are a couch potato and is enjoyed by millions. The 4k does just fine despite the idiots here trying to lowball it. It's not a native 4k console by any stretch but 1440p is quite a baseline and what it pulls off in some games with a full 4k res is simply phenomenal. HZD with full 4kCB vs QB at 1440p. Now let's talk about that. One is an open world with rock steady 30fps the other isn't

[DialgaMarine]

If the 4K on Pro isn’t 4K, then neither is X. Xbox fans suddenly love to reference DF, despite calling them biased for PS4 for the last 4 years, but they clearly ignore what they’re saying. The vast majority of those “superior multiplats” aren’t even native 4K on X, and the few that are have serious performance issues.

[zypher]

Eh, better to make a mistake (which, btw, the Pro isn't) four years into a generation that's winding down, than to make a mistake from the onset and try to gain ground 4 years later.

[firelogic]

If all you want is power then go build a PC. Everything you can get on the XB is available for PC too.

[SegaGamer]

And that is exactly what i did. I didn't plan to ditch my Xbox, but once i built my pc, i just stopped using it. Also, if console gamers cared so much about power, then the PS2 would have been destroyed, but that isn't what happened. The games are what make a console great, not flashy graphics. It's nice to have it, but it's not the reason why most console gamers buy their consoles.

[freshslicepizza]

But most don't do that, which explains why PC games like Fallout and Call or Duty sell so well on consoles.

[Imalwaysright]

Nah we PC gamers rather play better games such as this one https://gamerant.com/rise-o...

[tontontam0]

it is hard to build a $500 pc equivalent to xbox one x.

but xbox fans are so delusional that they think even a $1000 pc can't beat xbox one x. they think that they are the first ones to experience 4k gaming.

[Prince_TFK]

You see, that’s the thing. Not everyone want to build a pc. Not everyone are willing to go through stuff like messing with the driver and the graphic options just to get a respectable framerate. Sure, that is not dififcult to do, but some people just want to turn on the console and play game immediately, without the hassles come from starting up and using Windows. And alot of games aren’t optimized well on PC.

Plus, it is more convenient to have a console in places like living room. You don’t need a mouse or keyboard to navigate through the system.

[Rippcity]

This is wrong. You still can't play Halo 5 on a PC. Not sure why everyone continues to claim all Xbox games are available on PC. It's just not true.

[chiefJohn117]

True, the pro has no real purpose. It's barely an upgrade over the PS4. Is going from 1080p to 1440p worth $400? I think not. So many games only see res upgrade and that's it. Same textures/graphics and all. I think pro was released for one reason. To improve VR to a playable level.

[kevnb]

its not $400 more than a regular ps4, most people would have sold or traded their old system for around $200. Going to 1440p and more stable performance from 1080p is worth $200.

[crazyCoconuts]

I can vouch for 1440 looking considerably better than 1080 on a big 4k screen, so it's not like there's NO purpose. If you're buying new, is it worth about $150 to go up from 1080 to 1400. it would be to me. would it be worth another $100 to go up to, say 1800 - 2300? it would be to me. but people have choices, and that's good. it's not like the xb1x and the ps4 pro are the same price and came out at the same time or anything... choice is good

[FallenAngel1984]

It’s proven in numbers and through YouTube videos that most of the games look visually better on Xbox One X than on the PS4 Pro. That is a fact.

However, it is also a fact that Xbox One X does not run all of its games on native 4K. The machine uses the same checkerboard rendering technique as what is seen on the PS4 Pro – which makes Xbox One X incapable of running most third-party titles like Destiny 2 and Assassin’s Creed Origins at native 4K.

[kevnb]

and thats fine really, its able to hit quite high resolutions while being compatible with 4k tvs that don't accept anything in between 1080 and 4k for the most part. This is a huge benefit over pc where most games will have to either be played at 1080p or 4k with no in between on tvs, which means many gamers will just be stuck at 1080p on pc when playing on their 4k tv if they want a playable frame rate.

[IanTH]

I think you might be misinformed. TVs support multiple resolutions from PCs...You can absolutely play 1440p content from a PC on a 4K display. In much the same way I can play games at 720p/1366x768/1600x900 and so on on my 1080p TV and projector. Most TVs and receivers these days have scalers built into them, so any content less than native resolution is scaled up. Older TV's used to do poorly at upscaling things from any resolution between half their native resolution and full native resolution, but that mostly isn't an issue these days.

On top of that, big titles are starting to even include resolution scaling at an engine level so you can choose what to render the game's internal resolution at, even if your system resolution is set higher.

[yomfweeee]

It's proven with in-depth analysis by experts. True.

The average person won't see a difference.

[TankCrossing]

Destiny 2 isn't the best example, as Bungie have actually said it will be native 4k on the X

[bluefox755]

Oh, it's Polygon.
Frankly, they both feel like half measures, but they're just consoles, and they have to maintain a price point to achieve mainstream appeal, so this is to be expected. The real strength of consoles is the great games you can play exclusively on those consoles, and nothing wrong with an extra option to play them on. This whole argument is just stupid. Is a GTX 1050 a "half measure" compared to a GTX 1050ti? Like the X and Pro, there are marginal differences in certain areas (though neither really address frame rate, unfortunately), but they're both very capable, and what's wrong with more choices? Furthermore, they're different prices, and came out a year apart. I don't hold Polygon to a very high standard, but this is very amateurish.

[conanlifts]

I think the x is a great and a worthy upgrade from a standard xbox or ps4. But if you own the pro it is less clear. It is more powerful and games do look better. But the cost to buy it if you have the pro is probably not worth it. Playing shadow of war occassionaly i stop and look at the textures or effects and admire the graphics. But 98 % of the time i just play the game.

[kevnb]

it doesnt really, but it is more powerful/ more expensive.

[windblowsagain]

6tf vs 4.2 Better efficency and higher memory bus speed, plus more ram.

PS4pro is a butterfly.

1.8tf + 1.8tf mirrored with 2.1ghz upclock cpu.

[kevnb]

Theoretical max performance is nice and all, but you are really oversimplifying things by not looking at the whole picture and real world performance.

[StormLegend]

Doesn't matter if it had 20tf! You can't pay a power with an controller. Where the games at? where is thetimed exclusive content? where is the support MS promised you guys? What has Phil did in the last 3-4 years????? 4K doesn't mean crap without any games and I mean highly rated games, not PUBG, Hello Neighbor or some other sh!tty PC games.

[windblowsagain]

Lets back this up.

I'm no Ms fan.

But that is the specs of the PS4pro as stated by Mark cerny.

STANDARD PS4 GAMES WILL PLAY JUST THE SAME UNLESS DEVS PATCH THEM
For the more than 700 or so existing PS4 games, Cerny said the goal was to ensure those titles played smoothly no matter what. That’s why the Pro incorporates an identical GPU. Because the new console has "the old GPU next to a mirror version of itself," Sony can support existing games with a simple trick: "We just turn off the second GPU," he said. Developers can patch these titles to boost graphics and performance in very subtle ways. But unless you have a 4K television, the difference will not be substantial.

https://www.theverge.com/20...

[LordMaim]

@windblowsagain: Someone is forgetting about boost mode that unlocks both GPUs for non-patched games.

[WilliamSheridan]

Back and forth back and forth... I'm so sick of these articles, can't we just enjoy both systems and get along?

I can't be the only one sick these fanboy wars. Can we just meet in the middle?

[SegaGamer]

Totally agree. I don't understand why gamers hate some consoles, it just doesn't make sense to me. I have owned consoles from Sega, Nintendo, Commodore, Sony, Microsoft, and they have all given me great memories over the years. People that stick to one company and constantly criticise the others are weird to me.

[attilayavuzer]

Apparently N4G is made up mostly of investors :/

[IanTH]

You are definitely not alone!

I've said a similar thing a couple times here over the years, and most people tend to agree with the sentiment. Sadly, it appears the most vocal commenters tend to big up one platform while putting down whatever they view as the competition. Console vs console. Or PC vs consoles. Consoles vs handhelds. Or all of these platforms vs mobile. People talk about the "gaming community", but when it comes to it, it feels like we have far too much in-fighting to be considered a community. A continent of fractured platform tribes, maybe? lol

I look forward to the day that is more the exception than the rule on boards like these :-)

[showtimefolks]

good for those who enjoy pro(like me ) or xbox x like many fellow gamers. as long as we are playing awesome games that's all that matters

i hope to see more investment from ms into opening new gaming studios

one thing i am very interested in is whether this means ps5 will come out to the market before xbox 2(if that's what it's called) we all know releasing a brand new numbered entry into a console market is gonna be a huge deal so if sony comes out first they will once again have claims to the most powerful gaming console and market share to themselves

i honestly thought pro came a year too early but looking at it now i think sony did a very smart thing because now ms can't really come out with xbox 2 in few years without burning some bridges

sometimes it's interesting to look back or forward to see which ,moves may or may not pay off in present and the future

[maybelovehate]

Xbox One X puts a lot of pressure on PS5 too. Going to be hard to show significant gains over that hardware without having some pretty steep prices in the near future.

[showtimefolks]

maybe

i agree but by 2019 or 2020 doing 8-10 TF for $399 shouldn't be an issue with 16GB ram

i think now we are in this cat and mouse game of me first and usually the console that gets to the market first gets the market share. we live in an instant era where people want what they want today

i am guessing early 2019 around GDC we will see the reveal event for ps5 with fall 2019 release date. but with the way ps4 is selling i could see son pushing it back by the year

[kevnb]

Not really, next logical step is a big boost to the cpu.

[Goldby]

Same goes for the next Xbox after the ps5
Main difference will Sony has a huge arsenal of first party studios that will be pushing the ps5 to its limits while Xbox one x will be still playing games made for Xbox one.

And because of Microsoft's choice to make it one ecosystem from now one, the games exclusives for ms have to be playable on the Xbox one. Meaning it's gonna be a while until the Xbox one x is the base model

[JayRyu]

Yes, I agree with you there!

[GoodnessGreatness]

Who cares? PS5 will have the better hardware and games anyway.

[conanlifts]

I actually think sony will release ps5 first. MS will likely wait 6-12 months after ps5 and then release xbox 2. But what i can see happening is marketing the xbox 2 as " worlds most powerful console coming soon" when the ps5 launches.

[showtimefolks]

i agree ps5 will be released before next xbox and in my opinion the initial 6-12 months of having the whole market to yourself will be big to establish the new console especially after success of ps4

[kevnb]

Coming out first would be a bigger advantage between the two.

[maybelovehate]

Good points about 2019, 2020.. But with all consoles being PC's now. Meaning they all use the X86 architecture, I don't really think we will ever see true new consoles again. They will all be increments. Which is a good thing for consumers because now backward compatibility should be a no brainer and developers will be happy to adjust their games to meet a larger range of hardware and consumers.

[showtimefolks]

I still think we will see numbered entries so I fully expect next Playstation home console to be called ps5 and most likely Xbox 2

Numbered entries will have bigger impact

[JonnyBeoulve]

I was close to buying a PS4 Pro last week during Black Friday but then really looked at what I'd be getting. Honestly, the PS4 Pro hardware is incredibly unimpressive in 2017. I decided to hold off.

Sony: if you're going to make a premium hardware option, in the future please make it premium. The PS4 Pro feels like a half-step.

[ninsigma]

It was supposed to be a half step. What's not to get about that?? It's just a beefed up ps4 to be compatible with 4K TVs to get a head start on pushing for a bigger 4K audience. I mean, it's still got the same crappy CPU, it most certainly wasn't trying to go all out with that thing. It's doing what they said it would and owning one with a 4K TV, it's doing a good job of improving the visuals of my games which is all I ever expected it to do. Sonys first party games are gonna look phenomenal on it too.

[JonnyBeoulve]

Strange to hear all the people who were so loud about graphics at the start of this generation trying to defend the PS4 Pro's really middle-of-the-road hardware.

Literally three years ago you guys were yelling from the rooftops about how PS4 could do 1080p in most games while Xbox couldn't.

Half-step = no-step for me. Sticking to Steam Link with a GTX 1080.

[StormLegend]

@jonnyB is the PS4 Pro not more powerful than the PS4??? Is that not about graphics?? is that not 4K content on games and higher FPS??? I don't understand you guys. The Pro is what any gamer would want and that's more power, so yeah we still do care about power.

[ninsigma]

And how has that changed?? The pro is a fantastic step above the base ps4 and that's all it needs to be.

That's great, I'll stick with my pro AND GTX 1080 for best of both worlds.

[MH63043]

Agreed, this system has been phenomenal, all that power and enhanced games being remade for free is awesome, my oled has finally been justified.

[King_Lothric]

PS2 was the weakest system in its generation and it destroyed every other console that was more "powerful".

In the same way, the Ps4 will continue to dominate this generation destroying the Xbox one even if it is 3,4,5 times more powerful.

Power alone is not the key to success.

[JayRyu]

Okay, I'll contest your claim.

The PS2 was not the weakest system in its generation. That system would be the Sega Dreamcast. (Which I loved). Sega countered the ps1 and raised the bar with graphics and...more processing power. Then Sony came out with a MORE POWERFUL system with the ps2. Sony also threw in a dvd player when dvds were on the rise . Sony then started to get more third party support overall since their System was MORE POWERFUL than the Dreamcast. Sega had some great exclusives Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, Powerstone, Soul Caliber, and Resident evil code veronica. But when games like devil may cry, zone of the enders, and metal gear soild 2 started coming out and could not be done at the same quality or at all by the Dreamcast due to POWER restrictions, a lot of 3rd party developers moved over to the PS2. And Dreamcast became the last console that Sega made...sniff...sniff.

So long story short I guess...Power alone is not the key to success....but it's half the battle; and If implemented right can turn the tide

[FreddyFazbear]

Like I said, Whatever makes you feel better about your console xbox fan. More time on the market?? 360 had more time on the market 1 year headstart and guess who still has more games?? go on research it if you cant believe me because you said ps2 had more time so by that logic 360 should have more games but sorry its not. I never said there were no quality games on xbox. Halo was quality, gears trilogy was quality, fable was great, forza still good etc. Metacritic is a good gauge for me of how many games in green a console has. And again guess who has more green scored games.

I am giving credit to xbox, when it has still "Real Exclusives". right now they made their exclusives on PC too because they want more marketshare and cant compete with sony and guess what exclusives they have in 2017?? sea of thieves ans crackdown 3 is not even sure in 2018. While PS4 has The last of us 2, Ghost of tsushima, spiderman, God of war 4, Detroit become human, Days gone, Death stranding, Dreams, Yakuza 6 etc. which can only be played on PS consoles, not.on PC, not on switch and not on xbox. lastly yes I could.have easily read past your.comment but i just cant help myself because there are so.many out you there who defends MS like they cant do no wrong and ",SPINNING EVERYTHING THEY DO INTO POSITIVES" even if its downright wrong. Always online DRM at launch?? but retracted, and back at their past hmmm The Kinect, project milo?? DX12 says fanboys will.make.xbone better, "THE POWER OF THE CLOUD" which will.make xbox one 4x power but where is it? instead they released xbone.x Secret GPU, Secret sauce, Greatest games lineup in history etc. etc. MS clearly has the Biggest mouth in the industry. back when PS4 was the most.powerful they dont shout that ,"its the most powerful console in the world" unlike ms and its fans.even printed on a shirt. You know what they say about the noisiest, all bark no bite to compensate for what they are lacking. LOL blocking me on PM XD. xbox guys cracks me up.

[Realms]

Even with all this power talk I have yet to see a better looking game than Horizon Zero Dawn running on a PS4 pro on a 4K HDR Tv. Yes the x will run games better and have better resolution on games where developers choose to spend more time but the difference is negligible the Pro holds it's own and until MS show cases an exclusive AAA game showing the power of the x it won't matter to a lot of people.

[Elda]

Agreed.

[shaenoide]

For me the Xbox one X is à Ferrari with à broken engine

[timotim]

In all honesty...its because Pro is a half measure. Sonic Forces runs EXACTLY the same on Pro as it does on the basic model. Most games are only reaching 1440p with the same level textures as the base model and not a single game ustilizes 4k textures. This is just not a big jump. Sony feeling themselves due to there big lead is what caused Pro to be so lackluster. Not even there own new games are hitting native 4k like GTS. The whole purpose of a mid-gen is to play your games at better fedelity and performance...Pro isnt really doing that.

[Liqu1d]

"The whole purpose of a mid-gen is to play your games at better fedelity and performance...Pro isnt really doing that."

Yes it is so stop lying.

[timotim]

Haha...no need to lie. Go look at DF...Sonic Forces looks and runs exactly the same despite the box claiming to be aPro enhanced title.

[alexh]

Xbox one x is a heap more powerfull you do notice the difference! But i wouldnt say the pro is a half measure its still a great console and it does make a nice difference to games.

[starchild]

Best comment here. Well said.

[Destiny1080]

"What surprised me, time and again, was that family or friends who aren’t quite as plugged into the technology behind film and games thought the image looked good ... but not special. The majority of folks said that the Xbox One X looked better than its siblings, but that it didn’t blow them away. A few people could barely tell the difference between the Xbox One X running on a 4K display and the standard system on a 1080p display"

[Condemnedman]

now I know your talking crap the standard one will look miles better on a 4k TV than a 1080p tv stop embarrassing yourself it's really stupid.

[Destiny1080]

That's a direct quote from the article

[Christopher]

Direct quote and what I've heard from most people I actually know and some who own the console as their primary. They say they can see some slight improvement at times, but not like what they saw going from last gen to this gen or anything that would blow then away.

[Condemnedman]

Destiny I apologise but I still think that's bullshit just adding a 4k TV makes a huge impact to a standard xbox one. also it all depends on what games you are using maybe to someone who doesn't play games wouldn't notice but I noticed the difference. massively and also if people can't noticed the difference how do people not notice the difference on the standard ps4 and pro?

[Condemnedman]

The Truth

[Cuzzo63]

Polygon is like Fox News

[richyque]

Sure polygon sure, wink wink...

[Silly gameAr]

Sony didn't treat the Pro like it was a next gen system, or market it that way. MS did with all the PR, paid articles like this and, the "most powerful system in the world" tag. It's like one big joke when these sites try to compare the Pro, an almost 2 year old console, to the X1.

[starchild]

Huh? The PS4 Pro came out a year ago. That's not uncommon for consoles within the same generation. The PS3 came out a year after the 360 and people compared them all the time.

[Silly gameAr]

The Pro is almost 2 years old, and the PS3 and the 360 are nothing like this. You're splitting hairs.

[starchild]

That's incorrect. The PS4 Pro launched on November 10th 2016 and the Xbox One X launched on November 7th 2017, so they launched within a year of each other. People compared the graphics of the PS3 and Xbox 360, which had a similar gap in their launch dates, so why wouldn't people compare the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X?

I mean, I own a PS4 Pro and don't own an Xbox One X, but facts are facts. Your comment didn't make sense.

[ClanPsi1]

They're mid-cycle upgrades. They are BOTH half-measures.

[beanplant]

No Bloodbourne though

[Father__Merrin]

Rubbish article the person who wrote this has been eating what's been coming out of his behind......

The opinion means jack all, The gaming community have spoken what they feel is the better console PS4 is clearly the best.

Because the x1x has come out later and is a more expensive piece of hardware some people feel the need that all of a sudden Xbox gamers are somehow getting the better deal in gaming when in fact they are not.

PS4 owners are content with Thier purchase whilst Xbox one owners arnt. They have all the games and features they need. Whilst Xbox owners specifically x1x owners can never say that

[ElementX]

Sony could've waited and launched a more powerful upgraded console but they wanted to be the first or the doorand the result shows

[Skankinruby]

What's hilarious is sony did the exact opposite last gen and we're scolded for it, being labeled an overpriced media machine.......exactly what the X is now.

[GoodnessGreatness]

More like Microsoft didn't wait for the next generation consoles and released a completely new one because the Xbox one sucks so bad.

[medman]

And yet, Sony and Nintendo are leading the sales wars....you know why? Games. These dopes never learn....what good is powerful hardware when you have weak software?

[Captain_Tom]

Erhhhh duh it was lol. The PS4 Pro was INTENTIONALLY a "half measure." It was made because it's almost cheaper to make newer graphics cards after 3 years.

Furthermore - MS f***ed up by not making the XBX a FULL measure. It should have been 20% stronger, actual exclusive games available at launch, and come with the name "XBOX Two".

[XStation4pio_Pro]

100% I thought my Pro was the shit until my X arrived. The differences are immediately obvious. I of course do have a pretty high end 4k HDR TV (2 actually).

True story, I had my X in the living room and the S and the Pro in the office (the 2nd 4k HDR tv). I got so used to playing the X, that one night I had to play in the office on the S and I ended up selling the S the next day and buying a second X. My Pro has been assigned to PS4 exclusives only at this point as well. It does run games better than the S for sure and its a beautiful machine but.... After getting so used to the X, I can't downgrade any game thats available for X.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Yet, no games.. thus inferior.

[DrumBeat]

PS4 Pro is a half measure. They both are really, but Xbox One X is more whole.

[LamerTamer]

That is because the Pro was a half measure. No UHD blu ray, minor upgrade to CPU speed, not many games to take advantage of the extra power other than a few with a slight resolution bump. It feels unsupported and under utilized to me.

[Skankinruby]

The pro is exactly what a mid gen upgrade should be, a cost effective power boost for the power junkies and psvr owners, at least it serves a purpose. The X is just a waste of time and money, all these silly fanboys acting like a mid gen console is a tide turner cracking me up. Maybe a quarter notch more power under the hood with absolutely nothing to show it off.

[arkard]

The joke is, they are both supposed to be half measures..... Only Xbox fanboys can't grasp that the one x is not a new console generation.

[WelkinCole]

No, What is embarrassing is selling a mid gen upgrade with power as a feature over actual games and expect people to pay 500 for that privilege

[bluebenjamin]

Whats crazy is buying a ps4 pro for 400$ with no real difference from ps4 vanilla and a missing 4k blu ray drive inferior audio,same textures as base ps4,whats so pro about it.I bought one im crazy

[WelkinCole]

The difference in cost is 100 but you get 4k in many games and better VR. 100 diffence for this is peanuts.

However 178 - 500 difference for the X1 and X1X is ridiculous

[bluebenjamin]

@ Welkin So buy psvr and pro bringing the system to how much now maybe well over 500$ Granted VR is interesting to me more than 4k.But the onex being 500$ for what it does is only 100$.If that is too much so is ps4 pro for 400$And how is 178-500 ridiculous when you have a beefy gpu dolby atmos smaller case liquid cooling would you rather take an even bigger lost selling it for 350 or something.Some will still hate it because it dosent have a playstation logo on it. It dosent matter what xbox do no matter if they keep changing things for the fans of xbox the ps crowed will hate xbox regardless its the arch rival to them

[Condemnedman]

welkin 4k in many games lol laughed my pants off also to get v4 you have to spend another 350 pounds! you don't get effing vr for free. what a joke bending the agenda to suit your needs

[tontontam0]

I remember the playstation pro introduction mark cerny explaining how checkerboard rendering works and hdr and how it looks amazing on 4ktvs. and how it will coexist with base ps4 but games will look better on ps4 pro.

I remember xbox one x introduction "high quality pixels, 4k, 4k, true 4k, no compromise". no mentions of xbox one s.

playstation pro - mid- gen upgrade.

xbox one x - half assed next gen attempt.

[Tross]

The base model PS4 is more powerful than its Xbox counterpart, but Sony's focus this gen has been on games first and foremost. That's something MS just didn't get and I doubt they ever will. As for me, I think power and graphics are nice, but access to exclusives is even nicer, so I'll pass on the purchase of a $500 machine to play a portion of the same games I can play anyways without having to spend that money.

[GoodnessGreatness]

PS4 games make Xbox one x a mistake.

[InTheZoneAC]

Playstation makes MS feel like the spoiled pos kid that brings a basketball to a game then takes off running with it, then every sjw is defending the brat at all costs.

[QUIMICOMORTAL]

That maybe right, but ps4 lineup makes the xbone one feel like a quarter-attempt

[Elda]

These articles still will not sway me to buy this mid gen console that has a slightly enhanced performance over the Pro. It's been 4 years into this gen already including the most important fact for me not to buy is that the XBO doesn't have at this very point in time are compelling brand new AAA exclusives that the X can showcase,not even 2 new AAA exclusive games.I can play multi plats on my Pro displayed on my 55 4k hdr tv & they look great where exclusives look even better & first party titles look fantastic.I'll spend my $500 on the compelling exclusives being released on the PS4 in 2018.

[Exvalos]

Doesn't mid mean half? As in mid generation upgrade. No shit it's a half measure. That's what it's supposed to be.

[Zool 08]

Tell that to Naughty Dogs

[CP_Company]

Half measure is destroying full measure. It is funny how it is working :) try harder poligon suck m$ virtual p******

[TechnoGoat]

Stopped reading at "SEPTIC" ...... lol

[Legacy212]

4k blu ray player, Dolby atmos support, HDMI 2.1 support, 4k textures and native 4k games make the Xbox one x feel like a premium product. It fits my entertainment center perfectly while my pro just waits around for the next big sony exclusive. Don't know how ps4 pro doesn't support ATMOS or has a 4k player in it really makes it feel like a half measure

[bluebenjamin]

because it is im disappointed with my ps4 pro right now my multiplats will be played on my alienware alpha at 1080p 60,I cant believe this PC is still outperforming consoles.I too will be getting the some of the sony exclusives on my pro and possibly buy PSVR

[sorane]

Yeah both my friends who ought one are really mad. The games are shallow and short and the graphics just can't compare to PC and Xbox. It's going to be a very sad Christmas for any kid finding one of these half baked systems under the tree. I guess kids need to find out Santa isn't real sometime though. It shouldn't be like this though........

[pyroxxx]

4year old children should not be using internet.

[bluebenjamin]

@ Sorane they wont care kids will be happy just to play any game they dont care about the system controller or graphic they know how to enjoy life more then adults

[Zabatsu]

Well, to be fair, when you don't have any exclusive games to deliver, you have to deliver a better console, performance and graphics. Why would people ever else feel the need to buy a new Xbox? The only boast-factor that I personally see with owning an X, is the simple fact that I would get to brag about owning the console with the best performance available on the market. But what games would I play that I can't play on my PC on equal settings?

Sony wins anyway. I rather see the effort and extra cash go down on the games than the hardware. I would sacrifice graphics for good games and even if you did turn the tables, the Pro is cheaper than the X for a reason. If MS and Sony had released the Pro and X at the same time-period, you could bet your *** that they would be equal in performance and graphics, but that would've been a suicide mission from MS.

[Kyizen]

It is a half measure. It came out a year ago, its cheaper and it is a stepping stone to the PS5. Xbox One X is almost like an Xbox One reboot. It is everything that the Xbox One failed at and fixed it but that makes it almost like a new console without support. Where are the killer Xbox One X exclusives? Will there even be any if everything for it needs to run on OG Xbox One also...

[pyroxxx]

it was supposed to be half measure ,.. what is an xbox one X ?? poor atempt at next gen ??

[Malice-Flare]

i know the feeling, especially when i play the same games on a high-end PC...

fortunately, i don't play just the same games on the Pro...

[PS3_Noob]

When did 4K become the new standard ? I would definitely choose PS4P though over the X. Games like God of war, Spiderman (do not want to make a big list lol). Games over pixels

[cd1]

We all know multiplats will run in higher graphical settings on XB1X than Pro but I like Sony exclusives and all of my mates play on PS as well. I'm staying put on Pro.

Click bait article gets no click from me

[dilbig5]

Sony also isn’t marketing the Pro as the next big thing. X makes it seem like Microsoft gave up on the other versions

[bluebenjamin]

Because Pro dosent do enough you can barley see the difference too minimal to brag

[DialgaMarine]

Ah Polygon... Who’d have thought that a site partially owned by MS would have a bias in favor of Xbone X. In other news, water is wet.

Gotta scrape the barrel for as many people as they can before the Xbox brand falls right back into obscurity in 2 months.

[MunchMiller00]

Is this site basically left to the crows, where any comment that isn't popular gets flagged as "inappropriate"?

I mean, I know N4G is pretty much downright biased in many regards, but really, you should have "some" standards at least.

Example: "Okay... back to playing Yakuza Kiwami." Yes, so inappropriate. Thank god you protected my eyes from reading such offensive words.

Morons.

[RosweeSon]

Sure it does 🤔🙄✌🏻

[CPTN MITCHELL]

All that talked about power to play original and 360 games GTFOH no real games no new games for $500 no thanks I'm happy with my pro
Suck a dick Aaron

[bluebenjamin]

Ps3/360/Ps4/X1 run the same graphics at different resolutions.Look at the last of us,gta v,rise of tomb raider and still look great in 720p graphics low settings less sharp but still the same models with gameplay the same..8th gen isnt really 8th gen its just a prettier 7th gen.It would be cool if we could play MAG on pro in 4k,resistance,killzone ,I wouldnt hate it .The coolest thing about ps2 besides the dvd player is that I could still play MGS,Tomb Raider2,Tekken 3, without buying it again.I didnt have to get rid of it because the new playstation came out.If ps5 comes out and you cant pop in Horizon,or days gone then those games are lost, until you buy it again as a remaster.

[D1SC0K1NGZ]

Well I have both the X & Pro & I play the Pro more as there is more original content on it, and, I don't see/feel much difference between the two TBQH. Checkerboard upsampling or whatever, it looks basically identical unless you have super-vision. I have a PC gaming rig also but it's starting to struggle a little on 4k as it's an old GTX980ti GPU.

[Felsager]

Power is not the reason why the PS4 is selling more than the XONEX.

People forget that exclusive titles are the main reason why the PS4 is selling more consoles over Microsoft 600 Dollars 3DO (XONEX) who only offers third party games at a higher resolution.

[343_Guilty_Spark]

Because the Pro is.

[ZAF]

The Playstation 4 Pro price and exclusive games makes the Xbox One X feel like a half-measure

[RadicalCannibal]

PS4 pro is like someone wanking into your yoghurt, you dont realise it’s any different and you eat it

[ossyc]

lol the PRO has been out over 12 months though, both consoles effectively contain the same components.

The X is full of old AMD junk.

[fastNslowww]

No one cares, especially considering PS4 > Xbone X in the software department. Power is nothing when you don't have the games to back it up, common knowledge.

[Vasto]

PUBG belongs on Xbox Live

They know it.

[BadElf]

It's just a simple fact.

Then Sony fanboys have to some how make it "okay"...like they are offended or something

[ASBO-5]

A half measure thats whooping the xbones ass every day & twice on Sundays

[Ryuujinjakka]

That's nice to see Xbox fanboys showing their true faces.

[2cents]

"These are the same folks — and I’m not trying to be snobby — who find motion smoothing perfectly fine."

lol.