It Now Takes 24 Hours To Unlock All Star Wars Battlefront II Heroes

From GameWatcher: "After the whole microtransaction controversy and subsequent U-turn by Electronic Arts, Star Wars Battlefront II is in dire strats in the public eye. People were not too happy with the idea of waiting hundreds of hours to play as the franchise's iconic heroes in a game they paid a lot of money for."

[chrisx]

Ought to teach ea that you can't treat Gamers like shit. I hope the backlash never goes down,this game flops real good and disney finds some1 else to make Star Wars games.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Based on what I'm seeing on Amazon charts I don't really see the game flopping but definitely that Electronic Arts is going to think differently about trying to implement such a thing.

[uth11]

Whatever they replace it with will be just as hated by gamers.

Its not like the last entry wasnt extremely controversial, with its $50 season pass.

So they replaced it with a system where additional purchases are completely optional, yet somehow thats worse?!?

I honestly dont get it. I really dont

[_-EDMIX-_]

@uth-well I don't disagree with you there definitely is a select amount of Gamers that we're going to hate anything that came along with this game regardless of what it was, it is very clear that there is an amount of Gamers that are upset and how this was handled and I believe rightfully so.

I don't even believe the problem is that the items are completely optional I believe it's that the progression system was purposely altered to incentivize purchases.

I think going forward it's going to be even more difficult for Electronic Arts to announce a game with Micro transactions like this.

If anything this at least helps them balance the game and maybe in the future we'll just settle for cosmetic microtransactions that don't affect gameplay.

[Imalwaysright]

@ uth11..... not edmix or his/her/it alternate account venomsomethingsomethingx

Do you understand this? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...

Of course that these investigations may lead nowhere but if they are needed then obviously MTs/loot boxes fall into a grey area. Personally, I would prefer if they weren't part of the hobby that I love since I was a kid.

[Omnislashver36]

uth they made it 10x worst and you're praising them?

Seriously they provided 1/3 a game last time and charged $110 for it. Now they're trying to charge you $2000 just to unlock everything in the game?

Screw both of those scenarios. How about $79.99 for the base version and $99.99 for the version with some cosmetics and collectible stuff? $149 for the ultimate edition with a figure or some shit. Not pay to win. Not half a game. That's extremely fair. Consider how many more sales they'll get by doing that. They shouldn't be trying illegal gambling schemes to make money, period.

[Damthatsword]

pretty sure the games sales and profits wont reach their expectations. that doesnt mean it wont be very profitable though i agree. but im sure this is more than enough to shake them up.

[bolimekurac]

it was the progressions system, it was totally unballanced, and it was beyond grind making it a must to buy crates. it was a mess but thanks to the outrage ( this one was deserved) it is now fixed

[_-EDMIX-_]

@boli-absolutely agreed it was very clear that the progression system was made simply so they could try to sell crates.

Keep in mind that I don't even mind a long progression in a multiplayer game but not when it is being artificially created to try to incentivize purchases for fast advancement.

[CorndogBurglar]

@ uth11

Well then you must not understand what they really did.

Yes, they made purchases optional. Except they did it by making it damn near impossible to unlock everything WITHOUT purchasing loot crates. Over 40 hours of gameplay to unlock 1 hero? Even the most die-hard players wouldn't stick around long enough to unlock all heroes and weapons through normal gameplay at that rate. It would have taken literally thousands of hours to unlock everything. And not only that, but the money you pay is for a crate that gives you randomized items, so you don't even really know what your money is going toward or how much you will have to pay to get lucky enough to unlock everything. That even makes a $50 season pass look good. At least with a season pass you know what you are getting and for how much. This way you could spend hundreds, if not thousands of dollars before unlocking everything.

So yeah, i'll pretend you just weren't informed on what was going on, because if you were you wouldn't be praising this system over a season pass. Not that a $50 season is acceptable either, mind you.

[fiveby9]

The game will underperform projections.
I think at issue here is EA pushing a business model which goes way way too far. They figured they could fleece all the Star Wars fans out there and they'd pony up all their money just because it's Star Wars. Taking advantage of uninformed parents shopping for Xmas presents. EA will be merciless with their own IP's which are not external properties like SW. Look what they do with FIFA. Can you imagine what they will do to Anthem?

EA could do such great things but they care less about their customer satisfaction than they should. I wish EA could be a reputable company who everyone looks up to as the model for the industry. Sadly they are the opposite.

[indysurfn]

Going from record setting sales down to just great is a flop. Especially to them because it is millions (MONEY). Which is all their cared about. Do you really think they did not lose sales? They even admitted it!

Still this concerns me. You have to put ALL your credit into unlocking players? How realistic is that? Unlock a player, and have nothing for abilities and weapons and other things? They need to take them OUT. It will still have the same stigma of Micro-transactions! Did Microsoft get all their momentum back after the reveal? No. Should have never ATTEMPTED it, and tried their customers. At least they was smart enough to back off. EA is so greedy they are taking measured steps back.

1 First they tried to hide the micro-transaction.
2 Then they minimized them.
3 They lied about it being exaggerated by the press.
4 They then lied about costing so much.
5 They lied saying it did not affect game play (douche-bags believed it).
6 Then they lied about taking it all the way out.
7 Instead of removing them, Now they are taking steps back making it sound like 24 hours, But that is if you put ALL YOUR CREDITS into UNLOCKING. There is probably
10 things you need those credits for.

How many times are you going to let a company Lie and Mislead you before you skip a game? If your desperate because of the Star wars. Buy it used it will be out there 1-2 days after launch for at least 5 dollars cheaper.

[indyman7777]

_-EDMIX-_
Why you keep repeating this lie? Since the REVEAL of the reviewers this game fell from the top spot to 22. Horizon Zero dawn which has been out since the start of the YEAR is ahead of this game!

https://www.amazon.com/best...

[blackblades]

I can't believe it actually worked, hopefully it's a start.

[stefd75]

It worked because we have the power, not the companies that make the games. I hope they are a little bit scared as they now know that we have a voice and we can make or brake any game that comes out in the future. EA may have not listened to us but Disney and everyone else did.

[rpvenom]

Can anyone here confirm if this is true? I'll believe it when I see it.

[Crueltylizer]

The sad news is that if it was only up to EA this issue would still persist.

It was only cause of Disneys interference that they did this. Disney was afraid this would create a negative impact on "The Last Jedi".

[DVAcme]

Even of the game doesn't flop, it'll still underperform to expectations of shareholders and Disney themselves. Even if EA doesn't lose the rights to the franchise, don't be surprised of Disney decides to send a few execs to keep EA on a shorter leash where Star Wars is concerned. You simply do not mess with Disney's image, and EA messed up HARD in that regard.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Cool but not done once lootboxes are KIA than its confirmed

[Movefasta1993]

I hope to see this same type g energy from guys like you when last of us 2!and red dead redemption 2 have loot boxes

[XiNatsuDragnel]

Yep that's like smoking weed

[Ittoittosai]

Red dead redemption 2 will have no question because take two already said every game they produce from now on will have them because so many tards bought shark cards on GTA 5.

[combatcash]

So why do people just opt to not buy loot boxes? As long as the "Loot" doesn't create an advantage in multiplayer, then it shouldn't be an issue. I have never paid for any loot box, and I don't plan to purchase any. I think the issue here is the fact it would have taken thousands of hours to unlock all of the content. Honestly a good 50 hours would be reasonable, you'll be rewarding the players who invest heavy minutes into your game. My biggest issue is the price point for new map packs, the pricing is ridiculous, but people happily pay these ludicrous amounts so there's no stopping it now.

[indyman7777]

Yeah that will be a test. Will us PS4 loyalist let brand loyalty cause us to bend over for Sony? I think NOT! Red dead redemption? I think Not. Even the stupidest person knows you can buy used.

[AspiringProGenji]

Where is Jar Jar?

[rainslacker]

If they made JarJar the only playable character initially, I bet their loot box purchases would have skyrocketed.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Well that's good to hear

I don't mind grinding in multiplayer games long term as that's kind of part of the fun but not if it's going to be altered simply to try to incentivize people to purchase. So what we're seeing from the current state of Star Wars Battlefront II in my honest opinion is the way Battlefront 3 needs to be releasing.

No microtransactions simply have a normal progression on altered as well as free season pass in free DLC and I think they will be okay it is very clear they've lost some sales based on this action. I personally don't even care if they want to have a bunch of cosmetic microtransactions simply leave out game progression weapons and other things that alter the gameplay.

I don't think they've lost enough sales to really hurt them but enough to take notice.

[OB1Biker]

About the misinformation I agree but, while we know the general satisfaction of spanking EA has taken over the objectivity on forums, to be fair the gaming media are main conveyer of misinformation as usual.

[indyman7777]

_-EDMIX-_ Why you keep repeating this lie? Since the REVEAL of the reviewers this game fell from the top spot to 22. Horizon Zero dawn which has been out since the start of the YEAR is ahead of this game!

https://www.amazon.com/best...

[jmc8888]

You do realize that just about everything above it is on black friday sales right?

[indyman7777]

Nintendo franchises rarly have real black Friday sales. New AAA games should not NEED black Friday sales to keep up with older games. See HALO 1 through three for example those games didnt drop until AFTER the new ones came out.

[Christopher]

Should note, there's a lot more to do after unlocking things. You still need to level things up.

[Jinger]

I have been telling you guys this for DAYS that the grind to get heroes isn't bad, but that same false "40 hour for one character" just kept getting tossed around

[uth11]

Bit the hate mob doesnt want to hear truth...

[Damthatsword]

the truth that your both wrong? sure kiddo :) keep telling yourself that.

[Christopher]

Disagree.

It was 40 hours to get the most expensive hero without challenges. Now, full in challenges that's maybe twelve hours. Challenges that go away and you're left with just time based earnings. Twelve hours to unlock a single character, not to customize them or upgrade them.

Now, sure, twelve hours doesn't seem long until you realize the above and that it's one item among many to unlock and level up with a system that is also randomized for crate rewards.

There was some hyperbole, but it was nowhere as bad as the previous levels of work and literally over one thousand hours it would take to unlock everything not including the DLC between now and when you unlocked that.

Just FYI, one thousand hours is half a full time job in a single year in the U.S.

[Jinger]

Okay

[OB1Biker]

You got to admit there's been a lot of misinformation going on. The truth is only very few heros are locked and it's for mp the real flaws is theymade the progression too confusing imo

[Ittoittosai]

@OB1Biker you're an apologist you've been trying to defend this crap for the jump. There is no misinformation about the MP except whats coming from apologists like yourself. The orginial MP was pay to win period no misinformation about that.

[OB1Biker]

@lttoit
I disagree. I'm not defending anything and you called me an 'apologist' twice whatever that means (a sort of deriding belittlement for people who don't go your way?)
I just play games and sometimes point out misinformation. You could believe all heros and villains are locked if you haven't got the game while in reality most are available from the get go. That's the topic
Luke, vader, leia, palatine, chewbacca and Iden are locked not the rest

[jmc8888]

It doesn't take 12 hours. Maybe 5-6. You can easily pull 1500 or so credits an hour.

You also forget that most people don't use 70-80 percent of the unlocks.... right? People find what they want, what they want to try, and then upgrade those that fit them best.

You also forget that the 'scrap' upgrade part is only huge on the last one 480.

It's just fake news to say everyone needs to 3rd level EVERY star card in the game and pretend this is how people are going to need to do.

It's just nothing like this.

Most people will have most of what they want unlocked and upgraded by Xmas through moderate play.

[neoandrew]

But it was bad and it was 40h, they changed things.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I agree and I believe that was an absolutely huge problem with some of the people in this community I completely understand why people would be put off by microtransactions but I don't believe lying isnt going to help the situation I actually think it would actually hurt them because anyone who was thinking about buying this game is not going to believe a mob of people lying about all features.

I mean that's like me telling people to not buy The Witcher 3 and then begin telling them a series of Lies.

So how could anyone take people like this seriously when they're lying?

[Damthatsword]

there was no lying. you two just seem very keen on defending this throughout the ordeal. and its failing miserably :)

[_-EDMIX-_]

@derk-they mean that users that are still trying to spread misinformation about it taking 40 hours to get one hero I could confirm that's not true because it only took me about an hour and a half to get Darth Vader.

The issue is that there are some users that are trying to say that is what it takes right now currently today to obtain a single hero that is factually incorrect.

I understand that you may not agree with them with everything but I believe at least that you could understand.

I mean if I'm playing it right now and telling you it doesn't take 40 hours to get one hero, I don't really know what more to tell you.

Keep in mind please stop trying to group everyone into one lump sum. I don't like microtransactions I have no plans to buy microtransactions in understand me liking a video game in purchasing it does not mean I'm supporting the idea of microtransactions.

What I'm saying is currently for 100% fact it does not take 40 hours to get one hero...

Unless you could play the game live stream it in display to us that this is not true, you have to understand it's false.

Keep in mind that doesn't even mean your support microtransactions it simply means you understand that that tidbit about this controversy is currently untrue as it stands.

[UnHoly_One]

EDMIX keep fighting the good fight. Although most people won't listen to you.

I don't have a stake in this game at all and can't comment on it, but this argument reminds me of all the arguments I had about Shadow of War and how almost everything about it's Microtransactions were completely fabricated and nowhere near reality. People still don't believe me on that one, they'd rather believe all the bloggers that wrote about it before the game was out than me who has played the whole game.

#fakenews

[Prince_TFK]

You know what is better? Remove the grind from a $60 game and let people unlock the hero by progressing in the story. Then let them level up the characters and give them other incentive to keep them playing multiplayer mode.

I know, stupid idea right?

[OB1Biker]

I don't get it
SWBF 2015 was bashed and some of the complains were the season pass and the lack of progression
Games like Destiny are well known for the grind. I'm not into fps but other games progression are grind too aren't they?
In racing games, cars are locked. Why no complain? You can unlock Iden after the campaign which makes sense. Most hero are not locked. Also you get 3000 credits just for having played the beta
After one hour playing I unlocked my two preferred cards by crafting them
Now I don't like loot crates but that's a different matter

[Jinger]

You can unlock Iden after beating the campaign... you actually get around 9k in credits from the campaign so that more than enough to unlock the main person form the campaign and a little over a quarter to unlock one of the most expensive heroes.

[Ittoittosai]

The orginial time frame was 40hrs what you experienced was the roll back after EA tried to calm people. Plus just because you've unlocked heros mean nothing you still need to lvl them and that is where the grind comes in now.

[Jinger]

That's fine. I'll have something to work towards, but I at least have them to play.

[indyman7777]

The game is NOT OUT and almost EVERY REVIEWER is saying your WRONG. We will never know since EA is changing it. I take all those reviewers words instead of yours as having something to work with.

[Jinger]

What are you talking about? The game came out on Friday...

[indyman7777]

I'm saying the game is not out when those claims where made! They changed before we could get our hands on it. So we will never know if the reviewers are right, or if they just changed it. Bad wording. But that is my point we will never know. I for my part believe the reviewers are right. Why would they in unison make it up?

I know the game is out that is why I have been posting the Amazon chart showing it is only at number 22

[DafunkyRebel]

Good, I really was afraid they’d do this shit to the next BF game that comes out so hopefully this deters them from ruining Battlefield

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed

[Ittoittosai]

Hahahahahahahaha

[deadfrag]

Sales are 60% lower compared with the first SWBF game,if it continues this way its already a good victory for the consumers and should EA and the other greedy publishers like WB,Activision...that gamers and consumers word and wallets have the strength to deal more damage than what they think.

[XxINFERNUSxX]

It will take me less than that to torrent the SP once it's cracked .. muhhahaha. Just call me Captain Jack Sparrow
Take from EA the evil overlords and give to the poor, or something like that LOL

[Damthatsword]

im all for it. garbage like this should never be bought. not by ppl with brains to think with atleast.

[sizeofyou]

That's the other problem though...mums dad's aunties and uncles are buying this for their respective relatives completely oblivious of the MTs and grind involved because it's not clear from the box. Christmas is a mine of spontaneous purchases for presents. They hope to milk the recipients by not making the purchaser aware.
All such bad practice. No forgiveness (or sale) based on backhanded practice...

[masterfox]

Keep trying EA you are still like thousands and thousands of miles away from being a respectable/honest gaming publisher.

[FreddyFazbear]

how long will this last?? I still dont trust them. remember they said its temporary. They will implement it one way or another.

[Psychosious]

Gamers and Disney smacked EA in the face.. been a long time coming.

[Ittoittosai]

They arent going to change that stuff because thats what you have the "option" to spend money on when they bring back the MT. That way the other players can buy there way to OP force you to either deal with it or buy MT.

[firelens]

Damage is done... dont bring this BS to the next Battlefield

[DxTrixterz]

Better get them unlocked fast.

[TheColbertinator]

I wonder why its so hard for EA to treat us with dignity and respect.

[Damthatsword]

smh...this is pitiful.

[B1uBurneR]

2hrs for all ? Now that's down right ridiculous. . It should be 24hrs for each.

[FyBy]

It wasnt bad idea to unlock some superheroes only to few people. Bad idea was to access them through payment. 24h is too low . Hundreds of hours is maybe too high :-)

[DaniMacYo]

Man am I glad that guy posted on reddit, then everyone took notice and jumped on the FuckYouEABandwagon Then the Armchair Developers comment ahh golden every thing was set in motion now.

By the time we get 1000 hrs the next game will be announced let alone 4000. What a joke tryna make us give in.

24 hours is much better. Get wrecked. They still don’t want to remove loots they better only be cosmetics now.

[Inzo]

I, as an individual, might not account for much in the gaming community, but I will do my bit to help bring an end to microtransactions and "pay to win". I will not support this game.

[LandoCalrissiano]

Meanwhile over the summer I played battlefront and someone there knew where the hero tokens were and went 100-0 kd every match because they were over powered. With broken bs like that pay to win is the least of your worries.

[zb1ftw777]

Not good enough.

The paytowin model hasn't changed at all, only the time limit to unlock things.

[Felsager]

I hope Disney get rid of EA and finds someone else to make Star Wars games. Dice made a great attempt but EA screwed them over.

[Ittoittosai]

Of we can hurt that pocket enough that will happen

[Emme]

I hope they fix the Kamino single player experience (challenge) as the performance is bad on xbox one s.

[Nodoze]

The real tragedy here is that the game beneath all the EA BS is quite good. It is fun. It is so so much better than the crap they gave us last time. If they had only not locked everything behind lootboxes and given us an archaic progression system designed to incentivize purchased progress.

I can guarantee now that we will NOT be seeing DLC outside of what was announced for next month. They will say that they cannot afford to fund it and the game will die. Possibly it will be the last Battlefront. This is how EA works. The fd up the 3rd person story driven game Amy Hennig was working on to whore out GAAS crap like this....that was a VERY VERY bad move. EA just does not get it.

Also a point of note, the hero unlocks are NOT the core issue with this game. It is the progression and leveling all tied to random loot. THAT is the issue. Take that crap out. make all loot cosmetic, and give us a proper progression and leveling system (See every Battlefield game as an example). THAT would fix things AND would give them a revenue stream.

[OB1Biker]

I totally agree. I wish more comment s were pragmatic like yours. The point is many of us really like the game and want the 'issues' fixed and constructive criticism. Unfortunately it seems a lot of gamers here are only interested in the game to fail, EA to fail whatever to fail you name it.
Its sheer spite . A better way, respecting the millions gamers who enjoy the game, is to try and make the game better. Not to want and see it drown
They are like 'screw that game and gamers playing it. That'll teach them' (Homer gif)

[TheEroica]

Only the weak sith like gamers support this crap. I'm with the rebellion against the EaMPIRE

[Artemidorus]

Not interested.

[mochachino]

whole controversy probably cost them a couple million sales.

[BABY-JEDI]

Disney definitely feel that EA has damaged their reputation & their Star Wars franchise. That’s what happens to naughty people 😉

[opinionated]

Well done! Hundreds of angry nerds are beating on their bird chests right now in an act of rebellion.

[Nybz]

Much, much better.

Remember kids, it's a video game - yes yes unlocks can be annoying, but let's face it, it's battlefield, it's a vapid gaming experience since dedicated servers are no longer, they had to do something to keep people engaged.

[Tedakin]

Yeah that's not bad, but problem is you can't unlock a singe lootbox, which are needed to level up anything else and are all completely overpriced.

[ginsunuva]

But now I have no sense of accomplishment