The Xbox One X Is A Tough Sell

Kotaku : The Xbox One X does exactly what it’s meant to do, but who is it for? Is it worth buying the most powerful game console ever? Let’s discuss on today’s Kotaku Splitscreen.

[ZehnDrachen]

Considering one needs to also buy a bigger HDD for all of the 4k textures. One will be spending $600+ after taxes just to play the same games.

[LastCenturyRob]

that's the case for any console. None of them come with a hard drive big enough for most gamers.

[Prince_TFK]

You are right. And to think people here bitch and moan about the Switch needing additional SD card.

[TFJWM]

I hate to delete games but yes the HDs are big enough having 150g games in a 1TB drive hurts thou. Even so unless you are playing 8 different games at once you should be fine unless you have caps on downloads.

[G20WLY]

Have you seen the patch sizes for old games on Xbox One X? Quantum Break was already 138Gb with standard assets!

This is why it's MORE of an issue on the X, it's not about unfairly singling it out. It's certainly highlighted an issue that was already there.

[cbuc1125]

But they don't all cost $500 baseline. That was his point.

[badz149]

@Kun_ADR

are you seriously defending a 32GB storage? games are getting bigger and 1TB won't be enough for PS4 and Xbone and you are here defending Nintendo for a meager 32GB? seriously?

you can find a 2TB external HDD for cheaper than a 256GB microSD. so what's your point?

[BigWan78]

G20WLY ...

How do u expect things to be when PS5 & Xbox Next come about?

Games files arent going to shrink goin forward u know..

[G20WLY]

^we're talking 2 or more years away. I expect memory to be cheaper and for next gen consoles therefore to have bigger HDDs built in.

That seems reasonable to me?

[LastCenturyRob]

Some of you are arguing resolution only...I think quite a few of you forget that even though the PS4 had better resolution than the X1 on most games when first released more than a few of those same games had better frame rates or less frame rate issues on the X1. The differences between the X and the Pro are NOT just resolution. The differences are across the board and still very noticeable on 4k tv's. I can't see why some of you are trying to deflect that. The Pro is a very good system but with all the good Sony did with its base model it dropped the ball a bit with the Pro. MS did the exact opposite with the X. It hit a home run with the console. Also resolution has never been a big concern with me. I personally think checkerbarding looks great but lets face facts, we live in a time were superior numbers or tech stats reign supreme. The X will now win that "argument" every time for consoles the next three years at least. For me I am much happier to see higher res textures, better lighting and frame rates...The higher res is just a bonus.

[Toby_1981]

I agree with the article

[blackblades]

A good 4k tv, console, hdd, games plus taxs unless military.

[maybelovehate]

Let's look at the latest releases of games on Xbox and Playstation.. Forza 7, GT Sport, Assassins Creed Origins, Shadow of War, Sonic Forces, COD, Wolfenstien.. Xbox One clearly wins the game argument here. Forza is better than GT and Xbox One X offers a better gaming experience on all the third party games.

And once you add in the UHD BluRay to round out the entertainment experience it isn't really even close.

[KickSpinFilter]

Wow cute how you left out all the PS4 exclusives that have released this year, plus AAA 3rd party DLC first to PS4. PS4 Pro being 100 bucks cheaper, Where your friends are.
And remember...
Checker board rendering and Native 4K are of diminishing returns: It's like comparing Sand at two different beaches at 6 feet away. The Org XB1 and PS4 was like comparing boulders and rocks at the beach.
As the resolutions go higher and higher, the human eye is going to notice less of a difference between to resolutions like Native/Checker, especially at 6 to 8 feet or more away from a screen where most reside when playing console games. Sure extra textures and graphical effects are def a bonus but are we really gonna see it with the parity needed between the org Xbox and X. So far we've seen nothing that extraordinary.
But UHD BluRay ya I'll give ya that.

[maybelovehate]

I specified latest releases. As for the Resolutions.. I can tell the difference very clearly on my 65" TV. But not all people have good eyes so maybe you have an argument there, extra cost of glasses might come into play for those users.

[LastCenturyRob]

Funny when Xbox fans were making similar arguments in regard to having the console with lower resolution they were chastised, but for some reason it is fine and dandy if a Sony console now suffers from the same crippling issues? Ok with that....Also, $100 to someone with a job is nothing and the higher the resolutions get where more details are exposed the more the human eye will pick up. Not the other way around. That's just wishful thinking.

[WilliamSheridan]

@lastcenturyrob well that's the point, isn't it? Sony fans have been ranting and raving about graphics being superior. And only after the X is announced did they switch to the claim that they have better games. I don't care who has more games. I care about the good ones, and it's a tie to me, which is why I own both.

But the point is you ranted and raved graphic superiority. Now it's time to eat crow and suck it up...

[TFJWM]

@LastCenturyRob I think you are missing the argument. Take AC Origins for example which has a marketing deal with MS no less. The differences are non-existent watching on a 4k TV at normal viewing distance. That was not the case for xbox 1 to ps4... The differences in graphics(just a rez boost so far) are minuscule and anyone that cared so much about graphical difference would have already invested in a pst4 or a ps4 pro if 3rd party game looks are so important.

[Markusb33]

Well said you beat me to it.
Trouble is some people don't like the truth

[jasonpugh]

Yeah those half a dozen single player exclusives really make me want to spend an additional $400 on an inferior system and hardware.

[KickSpinFilter]

@LastCenturyRob The difference is it's not crippling issues this time, it's just lower resolutions.
That's the difference. $100 might not be a big deal for you are me but you bet this holiday season it's gonna play out with parents buying gifts. PS4 and XB1 are going to sell more than Pro and XB1X period sure this month will go to a newly release console. But come December it will be back to normal. Sorry kiddo.

[TheVetOfGaming]

That was a terrible comparison.

[bolimekurac]

its not about whats better and who wins. why is it so hard for gamers just to game together, some people like sony, some like xbox , some like nintendo, some like pc. theres great stuff on the ps4 side and theres great stuff on xbox.

why does everyone need to hate and try to persuade people otherwise.

the xbox one x itself is awesome and with that blueray player its a nice plus. great system overall.

[ErogeMaster]

Cause Xbox has no games we all can't be like star trek and get along.

[UKmilitia]

this is my issue mate,
either a gamer like it seems you are,or a bitch which is seems most on here are.
i won't be getting the xb1x as im happy with my ps4 pro but i wish it luck.
2 great consoles and gamers win

[KickSpinFilter]

Never said it was a bad system, it's just these Xberts coming in thinking it's the second coming. It's not. Base model will sell better after first month release of XB1X. And Same with PS4 will sell better than Pro. After the hardcore buy it's race to the bottom of cost. Just how it is. PS4 base will continue to sell more than all of them.
Switch is the who knows honestly.

[Markusb33]

In your view, another view is people are thinking about playing spiderman and God of war, days gone, last of us 2 etc.
Hardcore ms fans are the first adopters after that you can't hit mass market or the casuals based on 3rd party games that look better with a 4k tv. Generally mums and dads won't go for the x, if it has to be xbox the S is an easier sell.

[Yohshida]

Cant really argue with that. You can also add Super Lucky and PUBG to the list while PS got nothing new after GT Sport for this year. Guess who has now games now. Gotta love the trolls.

[G20WLY]

Yeah, let's not count VR, because Xbox doesn't have it. Gotta love the trolls.

[Yohshida]

Because so many ppl own vr, right?

[G20WLY]

Because so many ppl own Xbone, right?

[KickSpinFilter]

Hey Sparky...you forgot about the rest of the year. lol
Here is the difference.
Sony on purpose or not keeps away from the holidays for the Custer-F of AAA 3rd party games battling out for position. Sony releases Exclusives for the rest of the year with no contest.
MS blows it wad in the holidays with 3rd party offerings and really offers nothing all year.
Me personally rather have it the Sony way: played many exclusives all year and got most of them out of the way before big 3rd parties hit.
in 2018 on purpose or not perhaps MS is catching onto this also with Crackdown 3 pushed (although I think other issues are abreast)
Super Lucky was not really good and PUBG well next year+ that's gonna come out for PS4.
Cuphead looks awesome. Gears 4 and Quantum Break are games I do want but it's just not enough.
It's rather shallow

[XisThatKid]

Wrong besides better resolution and For a Forza but I don't care about racing games. Your dead wrong on multiple levels besides being Xbox fanboy (hate that term)

[4U2NV]

Keep thinking these dumb thoughts 🙄. As someone who was initailly an xbox gamer to begin with last gen, i gotta say the xbox fanbase is completely deluded. Full of dumb idiodic casual gamers that enjoy playing the same dudebro shooter and racer games every year and yet believe it is the best thing ever. Lol microsoft has you well and truly duped and brainwashed.

Glad i have once and for all left this brain dead xbox community, and i will NEVER go back.

And trust me i was a dedicated xbox fan back in the day but you weirdos are so embarrassing its unreal.

[KickSpinFilter]

They're are Xberts and then Xbox fans/gamers. A large difference.

[Razzer]

Anyone looking to buy a console is going to consider the entire game library. All the games are new to them. In that regard, PlayStation wins and it isn't really even close.

[Dragonscale]

You're just cherry picking. And no, Forza isn't better than GT lol.

[XiNatsuDragnel]

It is tough to sell this niche console

[KickSpinFilter]

No question as it was to sell a Pro. Not sure why these Xberts think the X is the second coming.

[Lennoxb63]

It's as tough a sell as any premium product.

[GamingSinceForever]

iPhone X says hello. Lol!

[Skankinruby]

Never in my life will I understand what people see in iPhones. I messed around with the X a little bit at the store today and wasn't impressed at all. Nice they got rid of the ridiculous thumbprint scanner though

[Omnislashver36]

IPhone X is an incredibly hard sell to 95% of the population. Most people won't even consider it.

[Lennoxb63]

The iPhone X isn't going to sell 1/4 the amount of the iPhone 8. At least not until it drops in price.

[KickSpinFilter]

Here's the difference iPhone at this point is almost more of a utility, and does far, far, far more than a console does.
XB1X/PS4Pro is more of a luxury item, not as important as a phone.
Common sense says hello Lol!

[GamingSinceForever]

The 8 was their worst selling phone ever, and the X sold out within an hour. My point is their are 2 versions out and the premium one isn't in fact selling better.

[Saigon]

You meant to say is, right?

[LastCenturyRob]

A "tough sale" that's selling out.

[Bhai]

Haha yeah as in Japan, 7 preorders sold out :D !!!

I'm actually waiting out for Nov NPD and the holiday season to see how a 'new console' fares against the weak old PS4 and Switch.

[PFFT]

Actually no The Xbox One X is selling quite well. The Gamestop stocks have been selling out. Its selling much better than the Pro ever did.

[Bhai]

Well PFFT, we'll see about that soon enough, and what to say how much stock Gamestop had from the beginning... and apart from the upgrading ones, its posing to be a hard sell alright... NPDs it is then, right? ;)

[LastCenturyRob]

Japan? Could literally care less about Japan. Switch is doing well and that's good, but that is because it is a handheld. Traditional console gaming is on the decline in Japan and has been for a while. Their take on the X or any Xbox brand is no concern to me. Also, the hundreds of thousands of Xbox X units that have already sold elsewhere is saying a lot for the the new console that every Sony fan has been dissing for month now.

[outsider1624]

"Funny when Xbox fans were making similar arguments in regard to having the console with lower resolution they were chastised"
Yeah, well, for a console costing 100$ more than the ps4, you'd think they'd have native 1080p.

[LastCenturyRob]

IF it didn't have the Kinect that could have been a possibility. MS tried to sell the Kinect to everyone and it backfired. Lesson learned from them seeing how powerful the X is....Still admire them a bit for trying to push new technology and a different way of gaming...They just went in the wrong direction. Life goes on.

[Markusb33]

Here we go again. My local grocer sold out of pears yesterday. Mind you he only had 25. Retail only take allocation and what they think they can sell. There is no sale or return. It's too risky buying tons of a product that you have no idea if you will sell all your quantity

[LastCenturyRob]

That is not a very good analogy seeing you are using your own bias to form an opinion. Companies such as gamestop have teams of marketers and annalists that dictate months in advance what they are going to sell. The X has been looking strong long before it was released with plenty of interest as well. Gamestop most likely ordered ore than you think. You should contact them and ask what their total numbers were before assuming they were minor. Who knows they might even tell you.

[Dragonscale]

Its literally just come out and the xbox fanboys are currently buying them. Of course its selling now, its the future you need to worry about.

[LastCenturyRob]

More than just "fanboys" are purchasing the consoel little troll.

[Dragonscale]

You mean like more than just fanboys bought the xbone, not. Lol.

[MetroidFREAK21]

I like my new Xbox One X 💁

[bolimekurac]

who cares, its a hobby. and hobbies cost money. buy a ps4 pro buy a xbox one x and play games . the system is a beast .

need more space well get a hd, that simple, when ps5 arrives same thing, you will need a external at some point.

[KillBill]

"The Xbox One X Is A Tough Sell" and yet it is selling easily. Go figure.

[G20WLY]

How many are sold?

[Bhai]

I think everyone's already figured, real low stock, real low sell out... been hearing this all around... you under a rock mate? ;)

[G20WLY]

Exactly. It's not rocket science, it's basic distribution feeding marketing and positive PR. Hardly a new concept.

Anticipated Launch Demand x 85% = Supply = Ability to Say "SOLD OUT!! People REALLY Want Our New Shit!!"

😴

[KillBill]

Really? That is what everyone figured? Because why again...? Because as a PSFanboy you have faith in that so-called realization?

We already know that prior to release date that estimated pre-orders were near 1million. And analysts are now thinking that the estimates are grossly undervalued.

Keep fighting the power. XB1X sales are likely to sale much better than did PS4 Pro and even with the larger price point.

[Prubar]

Wasn't for me. As a non pc gamer this was an easy sell.

[Bhai]

From the article:
"Xbox One is nothing in Japan. It’s hard to say where the Xbox One X fits in. It wants to be competitive with the PlayStation 4 Pro—you can see that in the specs."--- well duh! a 0 selling turf.

"But it also only plays Xbox games, there’s not a lot of them, the exclusives the Xbox One gets aren’t as amazing as, say, Horizon: Zero Dawn." --- stating the obvious again... and again!

"you can play them on PC. Forza Horizon 3, for example, I love that game but I play it on PC, I don’t play it on Xbox One." --- A big selling hindrance already in selling, the PC elite ;)

"the thing is, 4K is more important on the PC, because you sit at a desk, you’re a couple feet away from your monitor. So that pixel density makes a big difference. There are charts online that show you the viewing distance for a 55-inch 4K TV, for it to make a difference with the human eye, and it’s like, you have to be 3.5 feet away for it to really make a difference. And I’m not sitting 3.5 feet away from my 4K TV." --- WOW that nails it hehehe!!!

"If someone had no console at all right now, and they didn’t have an HDR TV and a 4K TV, and they said I have no console, I want to play the system with the most games, that’s PlayStation. It’s hands down PlayStation. The Xbox One’s been struggling to keep up with the PlayStation since 2013. " --- and check out the sandwich analogy at the article end hehehe!

[Instantnoodles88]

Best $500 USD I’ve ever spent. I’m enjoying the console immensely. Well done.

[Tankbusta40]

agreed and I am playstation gamer who was a day one PS1 purchaser.

[joab777]

I really thought MS was gonna follow in Valve's footsteps. All the talk about sp games being dead and the love to bring all XB exclusives to PC, and I was convinced that they may just look to buy a few promising titles and attempt to turn them into the next BIG thing. But it seems they are going back to making MS games, which is great, but I thought it may juts be their niche, to try and bring us the next Dota, or PuB.

[FreddyFazbear]

Once again just like the launch of the first xbox one, I cant wait to see the dissapointed and sad faces of xbots who thinks xbox one x will sell extremely well to the point it can surpass ps4. So we are not only having an argument on specs and power but we are also talking about sales?? Wow xbox fans do really have unrealistic expectations. We dont need fans like that on PSN where they support a company who has said more lies than truth. Wheres kinect?? Wheres DX12 that will make xbox one more powerful? wheres the "POWER OF THE CLOUD" which will make the xbox one 10x as powerful? wheres the secret sauce? wheres the greatest games lineup in history?? gullible as always.

[Bhai]

Hahaha more lies yo!
Waiting for the holiday season to kick in... new console hahaha, powa of 4K XD !!!

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

It's only a tough sale to broke ass gamers who have no intention on buying it anyway. It's the best console on the market and I'm more than satisfied with my 1X. My Pro now goes back to Sony exclusives while my one X is for everything else.

[FreddyFazbear]

good for you, does not change the fact that it still lack uniqueness aside from the specs. OG xbox was more powerful than PS2 and also received multiplats but did that make it the best console?? xbox one x is the strongest console right now yes very true but is that all there is to it?? each to their own. Enjoy your xbone x

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

It's a GAMING CONSOLE! What needs to be unique about It? You want unique buy Nintendo consoles. It does exacly what it's supposed to do and that's play games and it does that well.

[Ausbo]

The guy who is here talking about the X says he likes anime/Japanese games the most.

Yeah so if that’s what you like, Xbox won’t Be Your go-to system. Not sure why they had someone review the console that is clearly not for them

[Bhai]

Among the several guys talking in there also mentioned exclusives like Horizon as well, you can spin on little tid bits all you like but they mentioned,
-all variety of Japanese exclusives
-all variety of western exclusives
-almost non existent impact of TV based 4K viewing
-xb1 failing since 2k13
-PC taking away the charm of even multiplatforms
and
-that sweet sandwich analogy at the end, now that's insulting!

Oh and:
-They also mentioned how MS went after PS4/Pro's specs, just filling them up to stand on same footing... well, sorry lads, its a 4 year too late for them ;)

[jasonpugh]

Not if you want to play the best of all multi-plat games it’s not.

[Bhai]

Ummm... already on PC, and Pro is giving out pretty decent version of them...
So, thanks, everybody's cool, and seems to remain that way since 4 years :)

[G20WLY]

You can play the best if all multiplayer games on PS and PC too though.. 🤔

[chaos-emeralds]

It's also a slap in the face to everyone who has brought a underpowered Xbox one and Xbox one s who has been given nothing but lies over the years. Just wait till those Xbox one x only titles start rolling out...

[SolidDuck]

Its not a tough sell. It just might not be for u. Do u want to play all the best 3rd party games at the highest quality on console? Its not as many as ps, but do u like the exclusives we have. Like reg forza, horizon, gears, halo, state of decay 2, crackdown, and a few more? Do u also want do be able to play upresed classics on the same console like KOTOR, Oblivion, fallouts, left 4 deads, CODs, and more? Thats the sell.

[fxa5209]

People tends to not learn from history. PS2 was weaker than Original Xbox, but it provided a library of games like no other to become one of the most (if not the most) successful consoles in history.... PS3 and 360 were way powerful than WII, but the WII games and the innovation of motion controls made it a successful console and led ahead of PS3 and 360 thought the generation.

[cbuc1125]

Everyone here should go and read this article.....it's spot on. "But it also only plays Xbox games, there’s not a lot of them, the exclusives the Xbox One gets aren’t as amazing as, say, Horizon: Zero Dawn...and you can get them on PC.". ...I think putting your exclusives on PC was a big mistake. This machine now has no purpose. Watch and learn MS....Sony will never make this mistake.

[GrimReaperGamer]

I only bought mine simply because I haven't used my PS3 or Wii U in a very long time and I always missed out on Xbox exclusives every gen up until now (No I don't have a PC and I don't want to build my own). Traded in my PS3 console + games along with my Wii U + games to get Xbox One X. Good deal considering I got $523.74 in trade credit with the X1X costing $599 here in Canada, I viewed it as a good deal. It will still be my #3 console behind my PS4 and Switch, but at the very least I finally get to play games from the Halo & Gears of War series, Killer Instinct, Sunset Overdrive, Cuphead, Ori & The Blind Forest and Rare Replay.

[Felsager]

"The Xbox One X Is A Tough Sell"

Without a good library of exclusive games.

I prefer a console with lots of great exclusive games instead of great graphics for released third party games.

I'm staying with the PS4
:)