Did We All Forget How Bungie/Activision Treated The Community With The First Game?

With all the Destiny 2 hype people seem to be forgetting how bad the first game release was and how Bungie and Activision treated their community.

[thekhurg]

Bungie treated us with love and respect.

[Yukes]

I'm not sure if it was the leftover Chinese I had for breakfast, but I feel a little queasy...

[nX]

Some people must be stupid forgetting Destiny 1 like that. Sure you can like the concept, but you can't pretend it was well done by Bungie. I still hate parts of this game despite stopping playing years ago.

[Sam Fisher]

Lmfao 😂😂

I don't believe it was the food

[Thunder_G0d_Bane]

Well Destiny 2 is now on PC and it’s the definitive version of the game so I’m happy to wait.

Bungie has done right by me by putting it on battlenet so it’s right there next to my WoW, Overwatch an hearthstone apps.

[shinrock]

Yes, they treated Sony very well.

[thekhurg]

QQ

[r3f1cul]

didnt forget ... didnt buy ... will not buy ... bungie will never get another cent from me as a gamer ... entire first games season pass was a joke, nothing of worth was added until they wanted to nickel and dime me for more money... game had no story that was actually in game or actually worth looking into... the single most definition of SSDD in a game ive ever played in my life ...

[zerocarnage]

All true and the fact the development of the game showed a lack of experience, they said they wanted to get gamers gaming together yet simple features like auto matchmakj g on raids were left out. In fact the devs got Destiny so wrong they forgot some of the simest features and content that make up the base of an mmorpg.

To me Destiny was the worst con and lie of the gaming industry.

[FITgamer]

TBF fair all this DLC BS is likely the work of Activision, not Bungie.

[maybelovehate]

Vault of Glass is still the best thing Bungie ever made in their entire existence and it was part of the original game.

[jmc8888]

Which I never got to play because there was no matchmaking, and the only 'friends' I met on the game were behind me, so I quit for a time as I had nothing to do, and when I went back, they were all past it and me.

No one wanted to play it again, at least when I was on, and most people had moved on to DLC, thus making it even harder for people to do it.

Thus I had no one to play with. Going around messenging people didn't work. So on and so forth. I even went to a 3rd party website and never got an invite.

So whatever Vault of Glass was, however great it was, a willing player never got to participate in it, and it was Bungie's fault.

That was the main problem with Destiny outside of content issues, and it simply was one of the most idiotic game design decisions I've ever heard of. Matchmaking AND fireteams, not just fireteams or you're screwed.

[maybelovehate]

@jmc8888: I never had any issues finding fireteams. Have over 300 Raid runs lol. Most were with clans but also many with LFG. It was such a popular game it was never hard to find a group.

[eddvdm]

If that wasn't enough they're bundled with ACTIVISION, which in the past was one of the best companies in the game industry, and now serves as the perfect example to prove that Satanic forces do exist and take over the best things amongst us D:

[MrBeatdown]

I remember buying a game and playing it and having fun. Then I bought the collection and had fun.

Call me crazy, but I'm not the type to buy expansion after expansion after expansion, then decide I'm a victim.

[Jeff257]

Same here. I did get a little burnt out on Destiny shortly after Rise Of Iron came out and didn't do the whole Age Of Triumphs thing but I still enjoyed my time with the first game and I don't feel bad at all about buying into it. My family also played it some and between the amount of time I spent on Destiny 1 along with my family we more than got our money's worth. Granted we only had one copy of Destiny 1 so we had to share but for Destiny 2 we bought two copies so I can play along with them. Still money well spent.

A good way to look at it is compare it to the price of a movie ticket and how much entertainment time you get for the money spent. For one taking a family like mine even to matinee shows can cost almost as much as a game. Add in popcorn, drinks, and snacks and we go over a game. Most movies run 90 minutes to 2 hours with a few pushing 3 hours. Of course you can get it cheaper if you just wait for the Blu Ray but some movies are better seen in a Theater.

Now look at games like Destiny. I spent over 641 hours playing it and some of my fellow clan mates played it far more. All told I did spend over $140 but looking at the hours spent and the fact because I had it on day one I was able to experience it right alongside my friends. Sure I could have gotten it cheaper later but part of the price for me was playing it with them.

In any case if people hate the game or the sequel that is fine. It's never going to be a game for everyone. But some people truly did get good value out of it and will most likely get the same kind of enjoyment from Destiny 2.

[Fishy Fingers]

Group hug guys?

[Jeff257]

Dance Party at the Farm.

[EmperorDalek]

"people seem to be forgetting how bad the first game release was"

Yes. It was so bad that it only had the highest retained player base this gen... Come on. It only got two small expansions in its first year, so the original launch couldn't have been that bad, as tons of people continued to play it.

A bad launch is something like Evolve, where even if they somehow made free updates to make it the best game ever, no one would still be playing it to care.

[FunAndGun]

Tons of people like fidget spinners.

[EmperorDalek]

Completely unrelated. Apart from the fact that fidget spinners look like the Destiny logo

[shinrock]

😆😆

[2cents]

Haha, no I didn't, that why I didn't buy this one.
God luck guardians, you'll need it.

[Bluemaster77]

Didn't forget and will never forget. They had so many broken promises and lies. They didn't deliver on story, game play features, content. They basically committed false advertising but were never put to the fire for it. And the sequel in many ways, is indistinguishable from the first game. I have a sneaking suspicion that this "sequel" is merely DLC chopped from the first game and spruced up a bit.

I mean seriously Destiny 2 doesn't even have any systemic differences from the first title, aside from the story elements and the "different" locations you can explore the game is literally the same.As a conscious consumer and long time gamer, I fail to see how people are falling for this all over again. And I didn't even get into the ludicrously expensive DLC the first game had. and they are sure to repeat that again with Destiny 2. As gamers' we have to speak with our wallets, and when we continue to support games like destiny, we send the message that we are willing to be mistreated with no consequence.
/end rant.

Im all for people enjoying what they want, but please give it some thought before you just dive in.

[TejasTV]

If you preordered destiny 2 on pc you can get a refund by talking to Blizzard.

[Bobafret]

In my opinion Destiny isn't that good a game, I play for maybe 45-60 minutes and get bored. If you play this for countless hours then you probably enjoy watching paint dry.

[DafunkyRebel]

Are you retarded, you're going to judge a game that had endless hours of fun boring? Because you played only a few minutes of it? The reason people have play times of up to 144ds is because it fun and so damn good, once you get to the end game content that's when the game really starts.

[Bobafret]

Name calling won't make me like it.

[Chaosdreams]

Oh. I remember. Destiny is dead to me.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

Who gives a shit? It’s a video game, not a moral dilemma. If you like destiny just play it. We aren’t saving the world or seeking retribution for those who might have been mildly put off years ago. It’s entertainment, and you can participate or not. Bungie didn’t take anyone’s rights or persecute anyone or kill DACA. Perspective, bloggers.

[Bobafret]

So what should they write about? They blog about gaming related material, perhaps you are the one that needs perspective.

[Chaosdreams]

... People clearly care. That's why they comment/have an opinion on the matter. And for the sake of elaborating. Opinions shape direction. If Destiny was simply shrugged at, rather than criticized, we might've seen multiple games take on it's approach to how it treats it's consumer base (money...money...money - did you mention a story? sorry, money). Now, Destiny 2, from the sounds of it, has improved in a lot of ways. Good, but the past doesn't simply disappear.

While our source of entertainment is not as important as our livelihood, it is certainly worth caring about.

[CaptainObvious878]

I would love to participate, but unfortunately, filthy casuals kept buying up all the dlc and MTs and overlooking all bungies lies. So now here we are and destiny 2 is much the same.

[Scar-]

I still remember how disappointing the beta was but family and friends talked me into getting the full game at 25 and it was still a waste of money. There is so much missing from the base game and the story it was laughably bad, the game maps were insanely small a fraction of borderlands 2 maps and the game design was horrible the whole game is grinding the same missions over and over and over. on top all of that was the crappy ass unbalanced chaotic mp.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I enjoyed Destiny one and I'm sure millions of others did as well. Not many fps lasted as long as D1 did. I don't feel ripped of in anyway. And D2 is an improvement. I'm not sure why people like to dwell on the past but honestly it's pathetic.

[DafunkyRebel]

Destiny is probably one of the best games ever made while also having the bad reputation of being insulting to consumers. However if you can pick it up and play it and experience how incredible the end game content is and how great the community is you'll come to the same conclusion.

[jugo14]

this is completely untrue....so untrue I had to stop what I was doing, log in and respond to this stupid ass comment. Destiny is one of the most misleading games ever created. It sucks and you fanboys are literally cancer.

[Antifan]

I didn't. That's why they currently don't have my money

[Ittoittosai]

I didnt forget. I rented this DLC passed off as a game.

[zerocarnage]

No I didnt and will not forget, Activision don't deserve a single dime, they are money leeches all suped up and ready greed and bunjie every step of the way they ignored the player base.

Acti n junkie lost my support, I won't be buying into d2

[maybelovehate]

I remember 2000 hours of pure enjoyment. One of my favorite games of all time.

[jmc8888]

Let's see.

1. Hype game as epic only to find out afterwards that it was massively cut and butchered. Reality was about 5-10 percent of expectations.

2. Have a convoluted strict system where you can have matchmaking until lvl 20, then you had to either have a bunch of friends around your level, randomly beg people, or use 3rd party websites to find people. This literally destroyed the game for a huge amount of people who suddenly had a big wall thrown up in front of them. They didn't want to jump thru these hoops, and quit the game (rightfully so).

Arbitrarily (and stupidly) make it hard to play the game, you make it hard for people to keep playing and spending more money on it which also carries over for the entire franchises planned ~10 year length *SMART*. This was ostensibly done to create an experience that forces on the user to either constantly play or ditch it. Many ditched it, and rightfully so. Many people aren't looking for an addiction, they want to drop in and drop out at their pleasure. I want a game, not a new life's purpose.

The only response was... it was good for the game. No it wasn't. Options people. Options. People that chose to have massive involvement in the game can. No one wanted to take that away. People that want to drop in and out like basically every other game, should have that option. The funniest response was that people that liked the use of the convoluted way were complaining about how having the other way wouldn't be fun for them (well you wouldn't be using it so who gives a flying f what you think). Options people. The Destiny fanboys decided to attack anyone who dared wanted another option, the basic option of every multiplayer game, matchmaking.

Bungie knew all this, but gave the middle finger anyways. I'm sure it's going to cost them a ton on the lost sales from these people not even considering picking up Destiny 2, 3, and 4, or basically lost customers for the next 10 years.

3. After the DLC drops, you take away base content from people who don't buy them, thus taking a pitiful amount of content and making it worse.

4. Have some configurations (digital) where you had to buy certain content a certain way, so that new players got discounts, but you had to pay full price. Literally some people were able to spend 30-45 for what others were forced to pay 90. Insane. On sale for them, not for you.

5. Spend numerous hours to get various weapons only to have them nerfed (both PvE and PvP). This is pretty common, but with all the grinding, it really is worse.

6. Change resource acquisition rates and worth while adding new resources for newer stuff basically invalidating everyone's grinds. Having people grind for 50-100-200 hours then invalidating the loot is a big middle finger. Hoop after hoop after hoop while asking you to spend more and more and more (and as above, sometimes alot more then many other people).

That's just off the top of my head.

[jmc8888]

As for Destiny 2...

1. Still seems like it has too little content, but perhaps more then Destiny 1.
2. While it doesn't have matchmaking, it at least allows in game tools to find a group. Still pretty idiotic, but doable.
3. PS4 beta is what it is. PC beta showcased a very well running/optimized game. Good job there.
4. Still little quirks on PC beta like not being able to use two inputs at once like Controller+mouse configuration, but did have stuff like controller invert not being tied to mouse invert. Plenty of proper PC settings.
5. Multiplayer still feels meh.
6. Stupid stuff like paint shaders are one time use. (hopefully we don't find out about more such stuff)

The community was treated like trash by Bungie in Destiny, but it seems at first glance it's a decent bit better with Destiny 2. That said, it could still go down another notch or more if they start switching up resources like they did in Destiny 1 or taking away base content, but it hasn't happened yet, and let's hope not.

I'll consider it if by the PC version release (and maybe then some) the following happens.
#1 Nothing is uncovered that is completely screwy like Destiny 1, and nothing is changed that screws people up
#2 They get controller+mouse config working.

Lack of content and the butchering of the story that is supposed to set the stage for 10 years was just amateur hour. Destiny 2 has to be better in that regard.

Even then I suspect more hoops to arbitrarily jump through, so I'll take a wait and see approach. Destiny 1's gunplay was fun as hell until Bungie's idiotic decisions turned the whole game into a pointless and hellish experience.

[FPS_D3TH]

All these salty kids. Games been a blast. Destiny 2s been great and destiny been great for a long time now. Must be hard keeping all that anger balled up to have to keep reminding people you got hurt.