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Did Squaresoft mess up by merging with Enix?

There's been some debate as to whether or not Square-Enix is as good as either of the parent companies were. Find out why!

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PhoenixUp2451d ago

Did Enix mess up by merging with Squaresoft?

Soulst0rmer2450d ago

I think we've already established that as soon as these two companies got together they basically ruined everything they ever created.

indyman77772450d ago

Except Dragon Quest which came from Enix. I think they was running scared that everyone in the west would just want 1st person shooters and Bill Gates even talked about the Japanese players wanting cerebral games and West players wanting Twitch games. Square-Enix went on a convert everything to twich while keeing the cerebral players. This formula NEVER worked. The other thing is it takes at least twice as long to make a turn based rpg with almost twice the staff, as it takes to make a action game.

You have to give the player what they WANT.

spartan112g2450d ago

Except Tomb Raider and Nier are actually a relevant franchises now and FFXV was great if you weren't clouded by nostalgia.

bouzebbal2450d ago

i think quality went down because the competition between Squaresoft and Enix made both their games great!

SirBradders2450d ago

I think they are slowly becoming great again.

NecoTehSergal2450d ago

@Spartan - Tomb Raider was always a relevant franchise...

And Square isn't to be thanked for Nier's semi-burst of popularity, that goes to Platinum and the Dev/creator - SquareEnix is just a publisher, 'Cavia' was the studio behind Nier, and since it didn't really sell at all (Meaning Square failed to publish and advertise/market the game) - it became a Cult hit and not a commercial one, Platinum Games being given it was what established Nier's series so that it can finally breathe and be alive and succeed...

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PhoenixUp2450d ago

No you'd be ignorant to actually believe that to be true.

We've had plenty of great awesome Square Enix games in its 14 years of existence

3-4-52450d ago

Exactly. Dragon Quest 9 is responsible for me getting into the Dragon Quest series and into console/handheld rpgs in general.

FFTA2 is one of my favorite games of all time and got me really into tactics games.

Princess_Pilfer2450d ago (Edited 2450d ago )

Yeah, all 2 of them. Dissedia is ok, The world end with you is really good. Basically everything else is just a re-release, wasn't actually made by them, or is garbage.

Like, you can't count Valkyrei profile because it's actually a 1995 PS game.

PhoenixUp2449d ago

@ Princess

So you're really just going to ignore all the quality games Square Enix released just to fit a flimsy agenda huh?

Princess_Pilfer2449d ago

There is no agenda other than "Have SE developed games stop sucking and end crappy publishing practices."

Almost everything SE develops is garbage, and a lot of what's not can be direclty attributed to the other development studio that worked on it.

PhoenixUp2449d ago

You must have an agenda if you're really willing to overlook all the quality titles Square Enix released.

In a year where Nier: Automata & Dragon Quest XI released in the last few months, I can't take anyone like the author or people who share his/her minds set seriously

Princess_Pilfer2449d ago

I don't like Dragon quest, and, a very important distinciton, Nier isn't developed by SE. Nier is developed by Platinum, so it's quality is 100% irrelivant to wether or not SE sucks.

PhoenixUp2449d ago

You not liking Dragon Quest is besides the point and it doesn't change the fact it's a great game. This article is about generalizing Square Enix and saying it hasn't released a good game in its entire existence. A good game by them can't then be discarded because it's not like by you. Its mere existence is proof that your claims are BS.

Platinum also worked with Nintendo's Shigeru Miyamoto on Star Fox Zero and that game sucked. Square Enix's Yoko Taro worked with Platinum to make Nier: Automata a quality game. You can't really say S-E had no involvement or input in the quality of that title.

There are many other S-E games that I can list that easily prove you wrong

Princess_Pilfer2448d ago

Platinum also working on bad games is irrelivant. SE had nothing do to with Nier being good. They didn't make it.

Uh, yeah, actually. My not liking it means, as far as I'm concerned, it's not a great game. That's kinda the point. They even do things like joint development on Bravely Second... and the result is less good than Bravely Defualt (which was only published by them.)

You say, you have all these examples, but you don't list them. Even if Dragon Quest 9 was the best thing ever, it's 8 years old so that being your example is a pretty bad sign and it rases the total of not shit SE developed games to 3. Wo freaking who.

PhoenixUp2448d ago

When Platinum bad games it was usually under bad direction, which they didn't have when developing Nier: Automata.

As far as I'm concerned it seems like you'd just discern any quality game Square Enix to stick to a flawed agenda. If an objectively well received gets released by them, it's really irrelevant if you like it or not. You could also say you don't like Nintendo games, that doesn't mean they don't release quality games.

Recent titles such as DQH2, WoFF, FFXV, JC3, ROTR, Life is Strange, Sleeping Dogs, FFXIV: ARR, Tomb Raider '13, KH2, KH:BBS, DQVIII are just a few examples of your viewpoint being wrong.

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FallenAngel19842451d ago

I can't take this author seriously when he/she can't even recall the quality games that Square Enix have released in their 14 years of existence.

"The next two FFs were FFXI and FFX-2, which, yes, we still can’t believe got released."

What dafuq are you even saying? FFXI released in 2002, before the merger. Plus the idea of an MMORPG game set in the Final Fantasy series was conceived by Hironobu Sakaguchi(the franchise's creator) himself. And FFXI was a quality game, so it's even more absurd to try to unnecessarily criticize it to fit an agenda.

FFX-2 was also developed and released in Japan before the merger, so idk why you're calling that out. Do you even research?

FFXII is the first mainline title that was in development after the merger, and it's in fact as the author says "pretty good." That alone further invalidates this entire articles' point. Not to mention that DQVIII was released after the merger and it's one of the best in the franchise.

And it's pretty convenient how Square Enix's purchase of Eidos never gets brought up. They've handled the Tomb Raider franchise better than Eidos did.

Godmars2902450d ago

"And it's pretty convenient how Square Enix's purchase of Eidos never gets brought up. They've handled the Tomb Raider franchise better than Eidos did."

They also setup TR to fail via ad costs that made 4 million games sold a "disappointment" and then there's what they did to Hitman.

FallenAngel19842450d ago

Tomb Raider '13 ended up being the best selling game in the franchise

_-EDMIX-_2450d ago

Agreed.

Fallen, you need to write this article! I can't stand when in comments, MANY know more then the author. SOOOO many mess ups in this article its not even funny. DQ has moved MILLIONS of units since that merger.

squallcloud92451d ago

Well I'm still waiting for a great rpg to come out of square enix.

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kevnb2450d ago

Dragon quest 8 is about as good as it gets.

spartan112g2450d ago

FFXV was great if you weren't attached to those old games. I actually like where they are taking it.

Darkwatchman2450d ago

I disagree. I have no nostalgic attachment to classic FF games because I barely played the games. Most of my exposure is to the remasters and spin offs like crisis core. In total, I have played maybe less than 7 FF games and 2 of them actually are the first 2 anniversary psp releases, but I never beat them because I was a kid and got lost and had no patience to figure out what to do or where to go.

With that out of the way, I thought FF15 was a mediocre game. It had an awful story that was not only poorly written and shoddily paced, but also incomplete with several cutscenes being added after launch which is ridiculous.

Aside from the garbage story, the game's combat was mindnumbingly dull. All you have to do is hold a single button for auto combos and occasionally press a direction of you felt like mixing it up. Dodging was holding a button for auto dodging. Partying didn't even require timing. Just hold the square button and bam, you'll parry when the attack hits. No timing required.

Add to that, the completely formulaic open world structure with copy/paste "take this photo here" and "catch these frogs for me here" in a world where The Witcher 3 exists where even the most full of quests legitimized itself with good writing and context within the game world. The most lived in and concrete open world in a video game with the most tightly knit design of any open world game to date.

I did not think FF15 was good at all. Has nothing to do with nostalgia because I have next to no attachment to the franchise, but I love rpg's, both action and turn based, and FF15 to an rpg fan felt like an insult to my experience with the genre. It felt more like "baby's first action rpg".

cMehu2450d ago

Had nothing to do with the old games, combat, story, "missions" = go there, get that, bring here, everything was dull, and playing the sidequests did nothing for the main story. Completing them was more of a chore.
Calling a monotonous game great is overdoing it, glad you enjoyed it there's plenty of simple rpgs with no depth for you to play. :)

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory2449d ago

No. FFXV is complete trash there no sugarcoating it.

terrorofdeath2449d ago

Dragon Quest XI has to be it. 90% sure it will be amazing.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory2449d ago (Edited 2449d ago )

Okay let's see: Counting New games only:
Bravely Default
Bravely Second
The World End With You
Dragon Quest VIII
Dragon Quest IX
Dragon Quest XI
Nier: Automata

basically. 3DS - PS4 - Switch if you want your JRPG from Square Enix.

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shinoff21832450d ago

My issue with them is not releasing some games on disc in other markets, I am setsuna. Also the remake/remaster of secret of mana will probably also not receive a disc version outside of japan.

_-EDMIX-_2450d ago

? "My issue with them is not releasing some games on disc in other markets, I am setsuna. Also the remake/remaster of secret of mana will probably also not receive a disc"

Different markets, different games.

Secret Of Mana isn't some small project, its a full remake.

shinoff21832450d ago

I never said secret of mana was, I was saying id like it on a physical disc to which they probably wont do.

InKnight7s2450d ago (Edited 2450d ago )

FFIII on psp isnt small project in the end of the day its main FF. Still, they released it on disc in japan and only digital in the rest of world. Moreover, Limited, Collector editions were mostly not available in US only in EU. All FF in psp, 3rd birthday, KH BBS, and the first two XIII trilogy all of them were just available only as standard edition in US, but in EU there was some quite different editions. After Lightning Return SE has became better as whole company.

nitus102450d ago

To put a game on physical media and/or make it available as a digital download is a decision a gaming company has to make.

It can be considerably cheaper to just go with digital downloading especially if the game size is relatively small and your target audience has access to the Internet. Like it or not the digital downloads are the way many games will be delivered to the average gamer in the future.

InKnight7s2450d ago

You said it future. We aint there yet. It like saying back to 1985 throw all your VHS because in 2013 Blu-ray is the future.

shinoff21832449d ago

Where have you been, all these small publishers popping up offering physical releases. Truth is there are more games coming out physically then what did on ps3. Some people may have realized that digital isnt the future just yet.

CrimsonWing692450d ago

It's definitely not been the same company ever since they merged but they also lost of a bunch of key developers and people on staff. Also they have this crazy notion that classic game design is utter trash so instead of giving fans what they want they keep experimenting with the format and screwing it up.

FinalFantasyFanatic2449d ago (Edited 2449d ago )

I think they lost some of the talent that really made Final Fantasy, Final Fantasy (e.g. Hironobu Sakaguchi, Koji Ishitani, Isamu Kamikokuryo, Nobuo Uematsu, ect...). I'm sure there are others, but that's all I could readily remember or find. Also I'm sure Wada or who ever's idea it was, really tried hard to westernize the series along with many JRPG game producers during the last gen, and we all know how badly that went for everyone involved. I'm just glad most of them are starting to throw that mentality away and produce good JRPGs again (in SE's case, I mean WoFF, not FFXV). On top of that, the company seems to lack direction or just has poor leadership.

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Would It Have Even Mattered If Redfall Were Good?

Even if Redfall were a good game, the closure of Hi-Fi Rush proves even that doesn't matter in the industry.

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Profchaos9h ago

Yeah it would have mattered especially since their huge game that year wasn't all that it was cracked up to be remember redfail was almost heavily promoted and hyped not to the level of starfield but still more promoted than the average game.

There was still a decent marketing campaign behind the game I'm sure millions were spent advertising it on websites and I saw a few billboards and bus stop signs in real life

jwillj2k49h ago

No it wouldn’t matter it wouldn’t bring in enough profit to offset their 100 billion dollar acquisition. It would maybe delay the inevitable by some months.

Profchaos36m ago

Pretty much no game in Bethesda stables makes cod numbers instantly even fallout 4 Bethesda's best selling game sold 12 million at launch and over the next 10 years climbed to over 32 which cod would do rapidly

CrimsonWing699h ago

I would f*cking think so. Good games are what draws people to your platform. It’s why I adored the 360 era with Gears of War being one of the highlights for me. You make sh*t games and it just makes your platform that much worse and you start gobbling up studios I like and then killing them off it also makes me hate your platform as well… just sayin’

franwex8h ago

Unless the game would’ve been War Zone, or Fortnite level. No. Maybe even Hell divers 2 I doubt would’ve been enough.

Exvalos8h ago

No it would not have, the ABK deal was great for Microsoft but horrible for Xbox. Over 100 billion dollars in acquisitions. That money has to be made back. That ABK deal essentially destroyed Xbox as we know it.

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Report: Sexual Misconduct Investigation Conducted at EA, Suspects Named and What They Did Revealed

EA senior staff has been investigated for sexual misconduct involving female coworkers, and these said people have been named publicly.

isarai1d 3h ago

Aye just call Phil, i mean he somehow made Bobby Kotick's scandal disappear and gave him a few million dollar high five on the way out.

Cacabunga18h ago

I wonder if it will be censored with some in game ads.

XiNatsuDragnel1d ago (Edited 1d ago )

EA about to go down like Activision and then Phil saves the day saying.this is good for the industry and consolidation will help create competition. /s.

ravens5222h ago

What's up with all these horny creeps. You gon be horny, fine. Just not at work take care of that shit before you go in. Rub one out if you have to. Don't be a creep at all. ESPECIALLY at work. But don't be one AT ALL.

Extermin8or3_17h ago

I mean part of the issue is that things transpired outside of work....

KwietStorm_BLM17h ago

You think deviants care where they are? Work sometimes makes it an even better situation for them because they can abuse their power.

mudakoshaka1h ago

Nerds think they are Gods when they are making video games.

NotoriousWhiz22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

"it seems that according to EA, given the events transpired outside of work between two adults, and the fact that once investigation has started that the alleged perpetrators didn’t do it again, the investigation is considered closed. [...] The victim still has to work with the people that harassed her."

Yep, EA is disgusting.

Extermin8or3_17h ago

I mean the fact stuff happened outside of work puts EA in quite a difficult position legally. These women don't seem to have reported the matter to the police which kinda ties EA's hands on what they can do. If they don't file reports of the crimes then yeah from EA's perspective it is stuff that happened outside of work. The only exception is the guy that apparently referenced things in the slack channel for work, spending on what he said proving it may be very hard and he may well be able to get away with plausible deniability. I don't like EA and I think these people need to be dismissed but without any legal action being taken, EA can't really do much without risk of being sued themselves for unfair dismissal etc.

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Former Deviation Games Devs Have Formed A New Studio At PlayStation To Work On A New IP

Former Deviation Games developers have formed a new studio at Sony Interactive Entertainment in order to work on a brand new PlayStation IP.

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Tacoboto1d 14h ago

Well that's an awesome and very surprising turnaround. Cheers to the new studio and what they'll build!

RaidenBlack1d 11h ago

Likely to continue their FPS project

Cacabunga23h ago

It is not about money it is about talent.. get that talent in and they will take care of you and earn you that money

Eonjay23h ago

I had picked up on this before the Deviation shutdown was announced. It was pointed out that a senior manager of the team had joined PlayStation prior to the close. It was a little suspicious because from the outside in, it appeared had basically poached Deviation's talent.

Reading some of the other comments it seems this is understood to be the case.

In other news it would be wild if Sony winds up announcing a brand new internal studio.

isarai1d 10h ago

That's..... confusing, so shut down but just reformed and same employer 🤔 sounds like pretty much what happened to Japan Studio basically just being rebranded as Asobi

ocelot071d 9h ago

It is odd one I don't know how business deals work or the law of that kind of stuff. But is it possible Sony reached out and said hey we want you apart of Sony but don't want to purchase you for what ever reason. How about use disband and we will open a studio and hire you guys type of thing. Is that even possible?

isarai1d 9h ago

Maybe it's to void/bypass some contract? I have no clue

VersusDMC1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I guess the deviation team fell apart and didn't deliver good progress on what they pitched (they overhyped themselves when the team was announced)so Sony shut them down. They regrouped with a new team and a new pitch so Sony is giving them another shot.

And this time they are keeping it quiet to keep pressure down on the team. So people aren't asking everyday what deviation(or whatever the new team is called) is doing.

Edit: Also Sony never owned them. They just ended their partnership with them. Deviation decided to close on their own.

outsider16241d 4h ago

Good point. You know, i was thinking of Days Gone too. They pitch an idea to Sony for Days Gone 2 but Sony didnt like it do they scrapped the whole thing. Maybe if a good pitch came by...they'd reconsider it.

isarai1d 3h ago

That makes a bit more sense

lodossrage1d 3h ago

To be fair, Sony didn't shut them down. Devation was independent. Sony pulled funding on the project they were working on. As a result, they couldn't run so Devation decided to close on their own.

MrBaskerville23h ago

Maybe it's a good team but sony changed plans?

Plague-Doctor2717h ago

https://imgur.com/HhYbZDi

The management at Deviation was reportedly a problem. Sony cut their funding and when the studio layoffs began they bought the talent back up

Lightning7716h ago

It's probably cheaper to grab the talent than to anage a full studio as a second party.

Maybe we see the game at the PS showcase?

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roboteye1d 4h ago

If this was MS they'd be gone.

Goodguy011d 4h ago

Maybe make a smaller game this time?

Elda1d 4h ago

Good for them that they were able to work it out. Hopefully they're developing something interesting.

Rainbowcookie1d 3h ago

I think Sony is thinking long term as a replacement for Call of Duty M$ edition.

lodossrage19h ago

If they can pull off at least 2 more games similar to Helldivers 2 they won't have to worry about that COD deal anymore (my personal opinion, not fact)

-Foxtrot17h ago

The best thing they can do is make something old school based

The issue with COD is that it's so over the top and arcade like now where it feels more like you are relying on gimmicks and what you've unlocked rather than skill.

If they can create an old school like first person shooter where "less is more" and not a game that relies on a drip feed road map then they'll get some attention.

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