Red Dead Redemption 2 Not on the Same Level as GTA 5, Says Take-Two

Rockstar is working on Red Dead Redemption 2, but Take-Two doesn't have GTA-like expectations for it, as in 80 million units worth of expectations.

[Soulst0rmer]

I don't think Rockstar or anyone thought Grand Theft Auto was going to sell 80 million copies.

[narsaku]

How could it? They made GTA5 for last gen, "pretended there was no current gen version", then BOOM!... Launched THAT too, then BOOM! Suddenly they're in LOVE with pc gaming and launch that LAST!...

What does RDR2 have?... No chance. It's a mid gen release. It'll drop on two platforms that together don't even reach 100 million users, "what did the ps3 have sold by the end of last gen?.. Over 100 million by ~~~itself~~~?..."

Not to mention it's just flat out the less popular IP.

Don't worry tho people, it'll be a great game, and R* after GTA5 have no concerns about money... Just being realistic, that's all.

[zackeroniii]

just being salty and delusional, that's all.

[nucky64]

you talk about ps3 sales at the END of last gen. in 3 years and 9 months , t he ps4 has sold over 60 million - I imagine by the END of THIS gen, ps4 will have outsold the ps3.

[DarXyde]

Agreed. I find that, in general, any game allowing for exceptional amounts of freedom from in game rules and restrictions do very well. Bully doesn't have that level of flexibility that GTA does. Red Dead Redemption is second to GTA.

Other examples include The Witcher 3, Minecraft, and even World of Warcraft.

If RDR2 offers that kind of freedom, it'll do very well, but never as well as GTA V, unless it also releases on the next generation consoles with something like Shark Card microtransactions.

[SoulMikeY]

lol, you believe that 100 mil thing? You actually think there was 100 million active, and working ps3's? lol

Not even close.

[senorfartcushion]

First one sold about 15 millions copies. You're completely right.

[Skankinruby]

Your down votes are hilarious. People who beat off to this game with these 'one of the best selling games ever made!' comments try to disregard why it's selling as much as it is.

I personally know 8 people who own this on ps4 and didn't pay a dime for it and just got it with a bundle and shelved it.

Bottom line is all this 80 million sales is nonsense. The ACTUAL user base is maybe and I can't emphasize that MAYBE enough, is probably around 20 million at most, on three platforms active right now. But these silly kids wanna act like this is the greatest thing in gaming history it's so retarded.

[Benchm4rk]

Wasn't ps3 sales total around 83 or 84 million. Wii was the only console last gen to crack 100 million

[SixFragz]

Oops, it looks like your "PC master race" will be missing out on a great title from Rockstar.

Trust me, none of us are worried about it not being a great game, because it will inevitably be an epic one.

Enjoy all of the gameplay you'll be watching on YouTube though.

[IamTylerDurden1]

GTAV sold 80m sadly bc of the mind numbing online mode. GTA Online has become the go-to for girls and young boys around the world and it's quite popular in streaming circles. This is what keeps GTAV in the top 10 month after month and i can only imagine what GTA6 will be like? The Online portion might be the featured part, god help us. Games as a sevice.......this is the type of thing that gives Microsoft and Ubisoft a hard-on.

[TheOttomatic91]

I'm sure they will change their tune once the game comes out.

[badz149]

I don't think RDR2 will sell GTAV numbers but 1 thing for sure, it will slow the GTAV momentum down a bit in term of sales. 4 years on and the damn game still charts high in the top 10 in major markets. that's some pretty long legs it has but with RDR2, we'll start seeing GTAV sales dwindling.

[IamTylerDurden1]

RDR2 will do huge AAA numbers 10-20m. Anyone who even expects anything close to half of what GTAV sold is a fool. R* would do back flips if RDR2 sells over 20m. This article is pretty dumb, pointless. GTAV is an aberration, even GTA6 won't do 80+m. GTAV is an all-time selling game. RDR2 will do awesome and imo be a much better game.

[roadkillers]

Every newly released console GTA has outsold the last. No reason GTA6 won't do the same.

GTA6 on PS4 and Xbox One in 2020 then PS5 and XboxNext in 2021.

[indyman7777]

here here!

[DivoJones]

Nah, Red Dead just doesn't have the audience and legacy that GTA does. It'll sell well enough, and Rockstar isn't going to suffer one way or another. I'd guess 15-20 million units sold.. their pedigree of developers make good games, but GTA has been around for a heck of a lot longer and has been improving on itself.

[Nucler100]

IN.MY.OPINION

Redemption is the best Rockstar game so far.

Don't get me wrong though, GTA V is a classic just because of the scope it accomplished and how well it was successfully executed.

But Redemption's story, gameplay and setting meshed so well. You really got lost in that game.

[nucky64]

I enjoyed RDR1 more than GTAV - the reason (for me) is the story was much better.

[InTheZoneAC]

GTA v has the best campaign in any GTA by far. I also like rdr a lot, cant knock either one

[modelgod]

It was better, PERIOD!!

[BlackTar187]

i just love the horses and western theme. Nothing beats that for me.

[Dragonscale]

So true. Redemptions story was great. The ending was a real kick in the nuts.

[Prince_TFK]

I'm still surprised till this day that Rockstar would make that ending and make the consequences that follow.

Such a classic game.

[Sam Fisher]

I guess to each their own, mine is manhunt. Wish they make a current gen game with Multiplayer. One can dream.....

[modelgod]

R u serious?

[Sam Fisher]

Modelgod

Yea i am, i like taboo things. Not bc im into it but the fact that its not mainstream, arent you tired playing 90% of games that you are a hero? For once you never wanted to be the bad guy, the monster?

[roadkillers]

A new Manhunt would be great

[DivoJones]

The gunplay was almost too easy in RDR, though it uses the same aim-assist as GTA.. but for a game placed in the wild west I'd think it'd be more concerned about how it handles.

[DarkZane]

GTA V is on 5 platforms (PS3, PS4, 360, X1, PC). Meanwhile, RDR2 will be on 2 platforms (PS4, X1) and possibly another in the future (PC might happen). There is no way it could sell as much as GTA V.

[DarthSocio]

I'm actually surprised GTA V is as popular as it is. Compared with the previous generation's trilogy, the story is incredibly "meh" and after you played it through once, there's not much incentive to play it again. I can't count the number of time I finished GTA San Andreas. I guess milking GTA online really paid off while the single campaign players got shafted

[generic-user-name]

And what post launch support did San Andreas get exactly?

[Skankinruby]

And what does your comment have anything to do with what he said exactly?

[SUCKxITxEZ]

And what part of his comment did you misread to jump to that stupid question exactly?

[generic-user-name]

Not hard to follow is it? He whined about them 'milking' gta online instead of supporting single player. Meanwhile praising San Andreas despite it never getting post launch support.

Anyone who thinks San Andreas is better than V needs to take off the rose tinted specs.

[Sunny_D]

Agreed. The replayability in previous GTA was thru the roof and it showed you don't need a nickel and dime online portion to continue the fun.

[bluefox755]

This should go without saying, at least from a sales perspective. Westerns are kind of a niche genre (relatively speaking). Tombstone was a fantastic movie, but did it pull in Jurassic Park numbers (came out the same year)? Of course not, not even close. RDR2 will be a success for sure, but I don't think anyone is under the illusion that it'll pull GTA5 numbers.

[dmonee]

That's a strange comment to make this far into development of a game, and this far into a console cycle. I'm looking forward to this game next year and my expectations are high for it.

[mocaak]

No shit, only a madman would expect it to sell on the level of GTA. But in terms of quality, RDR 2 has a very high chance of being better than GTA 5. And many, including myself, believe that Red Dead Redemtion is the best game by Rockstar.

[OffRoadKing]

Well Take Two you can put me down for one copy. Best of luck with the other 79,999,999 but I'm sure you'll have no problem.

[sizeofyou]

Because GTAV worked ao well, GTAVI will probably follow same pattern...late this gen release with upscaled "remaster" as early ish next gen. With online and Shark. Kinda decided the way that will work for next few gens.
Really surprised that RDR hasn't been remastered for this gen already. R* could've outsourced remaster to a smallish studio with a good reputation, had a quality control and then rake it it in. Would've raised the anticipation even more for RDR2...

[Nacho_Z]

I think that a significant chunk of GTA5 sales are due to the popularity of the online mode, hence why Rockstar very quickly turned their back on the SP and focused on the online. I seriously doubt that RDRs online mode will be anywhere near as popular so I predict that the sales of RDR will mirror how many people bought GTA5 purely for the SP.

[EazyC]

That's a bit of a silly thing to say publicly, regardless of actual expectation. We could already surmise that, the company backing it doesn't need to get all humble about it!

Hopefully a slightly more niche, discerning consumerbase (prefers westerns, good storylines) means they may be more reluctant to go all-in with the online mp platform and instead more SP DLC?

[Dragonscale]

Not bothered day 1 regardless.

[chris235]

personally, i am not interested in revisiting this boring western setting. but then again, i also wasn't interested in gta5. open worlds these days are the epitome of dull.

[Lionsguard]

Well they did release GTA5 first on last gen consoles and then re-released it for current gen and then again on PC. Many people double or even triple dipped. RDR didn't even see a PC release.

[Kuma]

RD2 does not have to be on the same level as GTA5. RD2 just has to be half as good as the original.

[C-H-E-F]

uhm, GTA is on a different level than every game in history, it can't be compared to anything... only things can compare to it lOl.

[Donnie81]

I could still see red dead 2 doing big numbers. I know ill be buying a copy

[LordJamar]

is gtav game selling or are the mico transactions selling? netting it ton of money what am i saying is red dead 2 does not need to sell as much a gtav to make gtav money but this is like saying coke outsold pepsi who cares they both sell a s*** ton

[guyman]

It will be a better game than GTA V which i still find super overrated

[Mikey Mike]

I think it will sell about 30 to 40 million. The reason they are downplaying it, stock holders.

[gammaray13]

GTA 5 is the most over rated game in history

[Skankinruby]

Absolutely, you will get so many down votes from delusional sheep

[sizeofyou]

Not in my opinion. Best GTA by a long way - and benchmark open work.
Not a delusional sheep - a game I enjoyed playing and completing several times over...

[BIGBOSS08]

GTA is more popular with the masses. Red dead is the better game in my personal opinion. I think red dead 2 will be rockstars best game ever.

[sizeofyou]

This...
Despite my comment above (with 'work' instead of 'world) I still prefer RDR and look forward to further developments in the content and engine based on R*'s experience with GTA V...

[Bahamut]

Yeah, we'll see about that. Many of us are pretty excited. That being said, it probably won't sell as many copies due to the fact that GTA V was available on both previous and current gen consoles, while RDR2 will only be available on the latter.

[kevnb]

It wouldn't be fair to expect any other game to sell like gta v.

[modelgod]

So nowadays sales=good games? Actually, America has an obsession with the concept of more sales=better. I don't think 10 year olds care too much about the Ponderosa, Liars dice, and reaching Mexico for the first time. Of course it won't sell as well as GTA5, but if it follows suit; if they don't tinker w/ it too much, it should be better. RED DEAD was my favorite game last Gen, and the achievements we're amazing! I wonder if they can release a DLC that was as good as the Undead Nightmare Pack!

[JamesBondage]

Not on the same level sales wise? Idgaf! All I care about is if it's on the same level with gameplay/story, and I feel like it will be.

[joab777]

"We don't expect it to sell more than the greatest selling game of all time!" Ok

[DanteVFenris666]

GTA5 is a great game but a game with so many casual gamers who don't really appreciate it for what it is.

Now like always I just have fun messing around in the world than actually doing anything productive. The one problem about the game is that the sandbox is too fun that you don't want to do the story

[Nesflix]

Maybe if you release it twice it will be.

I don't care. Red Dead Redemption 2 is going to be great. If Take-Two has taught us anything it's that they know how to tell an emotional story. I'm ready.

[OpenGL]

RDR2 probably won't sell multiple copies to the same player... I was one of the idiots that bought GTA V 3x. (PS3, PS4, and then PC)

[BadElf]

I. Really. Want. Red. Dead. Redemption. Two.

[CrimzonRazor]

I dont play gta games but I love red dead but there is no way it will hit those numbers, it being a western will limit its appeal to some degree.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Double dipping, last gen and next gen, really helped GTA V

[SarcasticDuck]

GTA 5 was released for last gen before current gen got announced, then it was released for this gen and only later for PC, where we could mod the sh*t out of it. That's a perfect formula.

RDR2 will release for current gen. and unless there's a new gen. coming up in 2-3 years to repeat the formula, it's obvious the game won't sell as much!