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Microsoft: We Wouldn't Have Been Able To Usher in True 4K by Pricing Xbox One X at $399

Microsoft's Mike Ybarra said that the Xbox One X could have been priced lower with some compromises, but then it wouldn't have been able to usher in true 4K gaming in the living room.

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MegamanXXX2524d ago ShowReplies(11)
Thatguy-3102524d ago

They aren't even ushering true 4k at 500$ so what's the point??

Imp0ssibl32524d ago ShowReplies(21)
bluefox7552524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

Right? I'll just leave this Albert Penello quote from last year :)

“I think there are a lot of caveats they’re giving customers right now around 4K. They’re talking about checkerboard rendering and up-scaling and things like that. There are just a lot of asterisks in their marketing around 4K, which is interesting because when we thought about what spec we wanted for Scorpio, we were very clear we wanted developers to take their Xbox One engines and render them in native, true 4K. That was why we picked the number, that’s why we have the memory bandwidth we have, that’s why we have the teraflops we have, because it’s what we heard from game developers was required to achieve native 4K.”

yeahright22524d ago

Doesn't matter. their fanboys will defend them no matter what. Flat out lied to and they still see MS as doing no wrong.

Zeref2524d ago

Developers can choose to do native 4K, the box Is completely CAPABLE of that. They never said they were going to ENFORCE 4K on every game. Developers can still choose to target 1080p like the ARK devs.

TheCommentator2524d ago

I'm with you Zeref, the 1X is True 4K, because any dev who CHOOSES to make their game Native 4K can. The power to take any 900 to 1080p XB1 game up to Native 4K is there, it is therefore Native 4K Capable on real games, not just sports and last gen remasters. And Destiny 2, with it's 💩 graphics and parity.

The morons who represent the popular vote on this site are a bunch of pretentious babies who have to put others down for not liking what they do. It's sad, really.

badz1492524d ago

@Zeref @TheCommentator

"the 1X is True 4K, because any dev who CHOOSES to make their game Native 4K can"

So...that makes the Pro a true 4K console too, right? or is it still not one like you guys were saying from the beginning? last time I check, there are native 4K games on the Pro too because the devs chose to make them 4K

bluefox7552524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

@Zeref Using that logic, the same applies to the Pro. Any dev could make any amount of concessions in any game to guarantee it ran at native 4k. It might not look as good, or run as smooth, but at least it would be 4k, and that WOULD be the developers discretion. The problem is, that's already how it works now with all consoles. Developers make their game with the resolution, frame rate, and imagine quality that they (or their publishers) want. And no, Scorpio is not capable of native 4k on every game, at least not without aforementioned concessions. That's why you see them already talking about games using checkerboard rendering. Notice how Penello was explicitly using the word "native" in that quote? And taking shots as sony for not being able to get "native" on the Pro. Compare that to now where the word is rarely ever used by MS, but has been substituted with "True 4k". Why do you think that is? It could be, and the evidence seems to support this, that many of the games are not able to achieve 4k without checkerboard rendering.

@Commentator I don't care what you like. I hope you buy and enjoy whatever your heart desires. My problem comes with lies and misinformation. It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine. Sure, my time could be much better spent doing things other than correcting deceptions and fabrications, but I can't help it.

rainslacker2524d ago

MS doesn't need the asterix for their marketing. It's pretty safe to assume that anything that comes out of their mouth is already astreixed by MS being included in the same sentence.

IamTylerDurden12523d ago

@zeref & Commentator

So the AC Origins devs just DECIDED THAT DYNAMIC 4K IS BETTER THAN NATIVE? No, they chose dynamic 4K bc the xboneX isn't powerful enough to render their game in native 4K without making comprises. Microsoft is mandating 1st party games run at native 4K which means that some games will make comprises in order to achieve that. It's actually a detriment that they mandate native 4K, they should just let devs decide what woukld be the best option.

bouzebbal2523d ago (Edited 2523d ago )

Thank you for the laugh!
septic what do you think about this?

commentator:
you will never be taken seriously with poop emojis.
find something else.

XiNatsuDragnel2523d ago

zeref

Brother dearest, apparently I beat you and your dead with your girl Mavis btw. Why are you annoying the forums? Off topic and questioning somebody.

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-Foxtrot2524d ago

Considering not everyone has a 4K TV...what's the point on Sony or Microsoft focusing on 4K

I'd rather see them focus on the 1080/60fps so it's the standard for next gen regardless of the game or genre.

Xb1ps42524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

Not everyone has a Lamborghini so I suppose they should stop making those too and focus on a 4 cylinder car..

Stop trying to hold back the ppl that are full on ready for 4K...

yeahright22524d ago

@Xb1PS4, Well he did say "focus". I don't think he was calling for an end to anything 4K in console gaming.
But I'm guessing the context of your reply was E3. in which case I agree with you. E3 is a showcase for the enthusiasts, not the casuals. When you look at how the Pro (no examples of scorpio yet) is being marketed, it's like an after thought as the focus is on the base PS4. the enthusiasts already know about the Pro, and that's the Pro's audience. So yeah conferences and conventions are the places where we should be hearing about things like the X1X and the Pro with their 4K this and that.

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-Foxtrot2524d ago

Shitty example

Developers will be held back more which means people who are ready are held back regardless

Cars aren't like that... 🙄

Xb1ps42524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

@jack straw

How is it retarded dumb ass.... what the price differences?! If you can't afford it you simply can't afford it, just because you can't afford it does not mean that a lot of ppl can't. if we kept that mentality then we probably wouldnt be chatting online or have internet access cause we'd be waiting for the rest of the world to catch up..

@yearight

I understand he said focus... and imo this 60fps fiasco needs to stop... when a game truly needs 60fps it happens, I don't care for 60fps in a single player games.. I want focus on 4K this why I have a pro and this is why I will own xbx I want graphics because imo Sony and ms dropped the ball this gen in that dept. we had an extremely long gen last gen, pro and Xbx is what we should have got this gen o start with.. regardless of how many 4K tv are in homes simply because 1080p benefits as well, so yea I'm a enthusiast it's just sad how ppl spend so much time here like if they love video games yet cry so damn much when it's time to move on... video games have never been a cheap entertainment.. but we aren't at the least informed well enough with a long enough time frame to start saving up..

Zeref2524d ago

It's for the hardcore fans. They said it repeatedly. Hardcore fans probably already have a 4K TV or will get one just for the XBO.X, just look at r/XboxOne.

Xb1ps42524d ago

Oh please... the "omg devs will be held back argument" Plenty devs have stated they will use the power to the fullest... the only ppl that do the holding back is ppl like you, the ones that feel like everyone should wait because you are not ready..

I'm talking about cars in the sense of affordability... not technology holding other cars back or anything like that..

We all knew ms and Sony was working on a 4K console for quite some time and 4K tv's have had some major deals since then... if you couldn't get one I'm sorry and I'm not trying to belittle you on that fact, I just don't want ms and Sony to not focus on 4K just because you and others are not ready and are happy with 1080

Allsystemgamer2524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

@xb1ps4

The x1x is not a Lamborghini. It's more like a muscle car. Pcs are the fast cars. You people keep playing this console up to be something it isn't.

That's why the pc player base is laughing at it. Because of fanboys like you.

The PS4 atleast has a reason to be picked up. Same with the switch. They have exclusive games.

Meanwhile any MS game I can play on my pc with BETTER performance and BETTER graphics. So what's the point? The controller? I have one already and I use it on my pc while using my tv.

freshslicepizza2524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

@-Foxtrot
"Considering not everyone has a 4K TV...what's the point on Sony or Microsoft focusing on 4K"

What's the point of Sony investing in PSVR if they are only able to so far sell to 2% of its users. 20% of all PS4 sales are attributed to the PS4 Pro, so there is a lot more demand for that then there is for PSVR. Microsoft took a gamble years ago with Xbox Live and most people didn't have broadband internet, now look. Electronic retailes have way more 4K sets on display than 1080p. 4K is fast approaching whether you like it or not.

"I'd rather see them focus on the 1080/60fps so it's the standard for next gen regardless of the game or genre."

I would too but it looks like Nintendo of all companies with its least powerful hardware are the only ones who seem to take gameplay over graphics more seriously. They have more 60fps games because they know how much better gaming is at 60fps. But the console industry pushes graphics, thats why companies like Insomniac went away from 60fps and back to 30fps. Console gamers want pretty graphics over controller response.

robleroy2524d ago

Sony sells 4k tv's
So sony has a reason :)
But Sony didn't oversell it like MS

IamTylerDurden12523d ago

More to your point, i think devs need to start focusing on the evolution of games in all facets, not just resolution. Tbh, a mass majority of current gen games are identical to last gen games in terms of gameplay and innovation. Most major AAAs still use the same conventions and gameplay tropes that they did in the PS2 era. When loot boxes become the biggest gaming innovation of the generation we have a problem.

I do like pretty things, don't get me wrong, i like high resolution, it's crispy, but perhaps developers can do more. Advancements in storytelling like in TLoU and the creative courage to release a game that is basically a super accessible engine to create (Dreams) is a good start. Obviously a game like Journey was a big creative leap, but i'd also like to see new and intuitive ways to interact with a game, innovations on combat, control schemes, boss design, and level design. Many of these old gameplay formulas were designed out of necessity due to the limited hardware, and now we are just getting prettier versions of the games we used to. There is a definite place for conventional shooters, racers, platformers, and by the numbers sanbox/open world games but it shouldn't 99:1 old school design:innovative design. I think games like Dreams, Absolver, and A Way Out do make a righteous attempt at innovation all in different ways, but we need more.

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Zeref2524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

"a lot of the big games won't be "true" native 4K"

Please name one that isn't Anthem(a game that is still in development)

And don't say AC: Origins, because while it is Dynamic 4K, It will run at Native 4K most if not all the time. Because Ubisoft chose to not take advantage of the hardware.

https://www.windowscentral....

"I spoke to a developer from Ubisoft working on that game and inquired about the version parity between PS4 Pro and Xbox One X. He told me that Assassin's Creed Origins will be 4K at 30 FPS on both the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, which I found a little confusing. If the PS4 Pro can handle 4K 30, how is Assassin's Creed Origins utilizing the Xbox One X's additional overhead? It isn't, apparently.
The developer told me that both versions use dynamic resolution scaling to maintain frame rate stability, so more intense scenes might see the 4K resolution drop below momentarily to keep the game running smoothly. He said that the Xbox One X version's resolution would most likely drop below True 4K far less often, and perhaps not at all when compared to the PS4 Pro, but also that the differences would be "imperceptible to the human eye.""

In reality, most AAA games will run at Native 4K and none for the PS4 Pro Only exception is Anthem for obvious reasons and that's not even set in stone yet, game is still a year out, (PS4 Pro version will probably be 1080p otherwise it wouldn't be able to handle tbese graphics). And Destiny 2 because Bungie is apparently not going take advantage of the XBO.X

DrumBeat2523d ago

Microsoft is the most pretentious, lying company. It isn't a true 4K console. It's a more powerful PS4 Pro.

IamTylerDurden12523d ago

Exactly.

Microsoft needs to stop with this "true 4K" bs. Honestly, it holds no water after E3. AC Origins running dynamic resolution, multiple games already running/targeting checkerboard 4K and their own definition of 4K Ultra HD aka "true 4K" includes Dynamic resolution and checkerboard resolution. They literally label their games 4K Ultra HD instead of native 4K bc their definition of 4K Ultra HD is an umbrella that includes checkerboard and dynamic so they can make ppl think every game is running native when in fact many are not. It's appalling considering how much garbage they talked about Pro not being "true 4K" bc it uses checkerboard and dynamic.

Before e3 ppl like Crap Gamer were going around telling ppl Scorpio would basically run every game at native 4K 60fps, but after e3 the sentiment is "at least xboneX will hit native 4K 30 more often than Pro". Goal posts..

It was somewhat classless how Microsoft bragged and put down Sony/Pro before e3, but if they really had a console that could run everything native 4K (despite Cerny claiming u need 8tf, not 6, to do so) then u could at least understand the bravado. But man, now it just sounds so cringe and like such bs when they say it.

Ulf2523d ago

What's the point of 1440p at $400? (PS4 Pro)

You get what you pay for. If you want true 4K, you need to buy a $1000+ PC.

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KingKionic 2524d ago

It is definitely the best 4K console for sure by looking at Forza 7 on Digital Foundry`s rundown it definitely is a techncial masterpiece.

I was reading more stuff about versions of games in comparison it definitely looks like Xbox One X is gonna be having vastly superior details in multiplatform games on console.

Currently the checkerboarding stuff for third party as of course been underwhelming but any one taking shots early saying games will look the same on ps4 pro.

Its best to stop now before being embarrassed.

RommyReigns2524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

'it definitely is a techncial masterpiece' lol did you see the comparison between 3 year old Driveclub and Forza 7? Oh wait, yeah you definitely were there at that article a few days ago and defending Forza's embarrassment at almost getting shown up by Driveclub especially when weather was involved.

KingKionic 2524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

I never commented in the article about Driveclub vs Forza 7 article.

Driveclub is a game that has 12 cars only on track and runs at 30 fps.

There focus on weather effects is the only shot against Forza 7. Forza 7 though has improved its weather system greatly.

"The Nurburgring is the host circuit for demonstrating both technologies in the E3 demo, where a grey, overcast day turns into a fierce thunderstorm, before subsiding into a clear skies sunset, the track illuminated by floodlights. Everything we'd want from dynamic weather is here in terms of effects, but also with water accumulation and some beautiful reflections in the puddles - check out the end of the gameplay footage to see this in full effect."

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Forza 7 has 24 cars on the track,Dynamic weather (not resolution), Dynamic lighting Day and night transitions during the race at native 4K 60 FPS.

Its not really a comparison at this point.

Driveclub doesnt even come close.

Zeref2524d ago

HAhahahahahhaha you ps4 fanboys really are f**king delusional. Thinking Driveclub looks better than forza 7. Yoooo yall are messed up in the head. Man forza 6 looks better than Driveclub lmao.

UCForce2524d ago

@Zeref Now you are just a Xbox fanboy if you keep saying like that. That's not good, buddy.

Condemnedman2524d ago

when are they making drive club 2?

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Aenea2524d ago

"Its best to stop now before being embarrassed"

You should actually listen to your own words.

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RommyReigns2524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

@Kryptic

Nah Kionic is more like lower mid card, not world heavyweight championship level like Rookie (who I thought was awesome btw and an inspiration at how relentless he was).

And for comparison purposes, Septic and Moldybread are at Upper Card fighting for number 1 contender status, Death is at Upper midcard, Belking and Mariahelfutura are at legendary status, and the majority like wonderfulmonkeyman, kalebninja and rashid sayed and the random trolls like rlow1 etc are jobbers.

KingKionic 2524d ago

Im not foolish enough to concede that there will be no difference with Xbox One X versions.

Because that would draw red flag immediately with checker boarded games and why they dont show differences on a system that should definitely show differences.

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Allsystemgamer2524d ago

A technical masterpiece who's requirement is a 1050ti?

Is your head working?

It's a RACING GAME.

KingKionic 2524d ago

Forza 7 will not run at 4k 60 fps on a 1050 ti.

Recommended doesn't mean 4K.

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Phil322524d ago

This comment section is a cesspool of corporate cheerleaders trolling one another's favorite electronic toy of choice. Keep up the great work, N4G users!

ThatOneRiggaNob2524d ago

It's pretty sad because all these dudes ever talk about exclusive this and power that but I find it hard to figure out when they actually play them? Spend way more time fanboying than actually playing the games they're fanboying over.

hamzilla2523d ago

Maybe trolling is their mode of gaming. They see the agree/disagrees and use them to score their points 😏😉😏

NobleRed2524d ago

True 4K only in certain games and also using the weak checkerboard rendering that the weak not true 4k PS4 pro uses.

alb18992524d ago

First of all those games that aren't yet true 4K aren't close to finish yet. So when those games release then we can talk about them but for now is just not worth it.

Sunny_D2524d ago

Lmao, and since when has a game especially 3rd party ever actually improve at launch compared to their first showing? Anthem was a vertical slice meant to look better than what the actual game will be like. Downgrades will be the norm.

Aenea2524d ago

Yeah, devs implement a not so easy to implement checkerboard rendering solution because it might not be needed. Makes total sense!

Dark_Knightmare22524d ago

Dude origins is one of them and releases in oct that's pretty much done and isn't going to change

Zeref2524d ago

only in certain games? You mean all the 50+ games they showed - 1?

AC:origins is Dynamic 4K, only because Ubisoft chose not to take advantage of the hardware. It will run native 4K most if not all the time.
https://www.windowscentral....

"He told me that Assassin's Creed Origins will be 4K at 30 FPS on both the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro, which I found a little confusing. If the PS4 Pro can handle 4K 30, how is Assassin's Creed Origins utilizing the Xbox One X's additional overhead? It isn't, apparently.

The developer told me that both versions use dynamic resolution scaling to maintain frame rate stability, so more intense scenes might see the 4K resolution drop below momentarily to keep the game running smoothly. He said that the Xbox One X version's resolution would most likely drop below True 4K far less often, and perhaps not at all when compared to the PS4 Pro""

So you can take that one off your list. And Anthem is a game with a year of development time left, but i'll give you that one.

Please name more than 3 games that are not True 4K.

UCForce2524d ago

But I remember MS didn't want to use Checkboarding back in 2016. Now, Xbox One X and PS4 Pro are both using it.

Dark_Knightmare22524d ago (Edited 2524d ago )

Dude origins isn't the only one there's been quite a few articles right here on n4g talking about them so go have a look

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Xbox President Sarah Bond's Bloomberg Interview Is Corporate Fakery At Its Best

Saad from eXputer: "After Arkane Austin & Tango were shutdown, Xbox President Sarah Bond spoke with Bloomberg in what I believe to be utter corporate fakery."

gold_drake1d 20h ago

im not really surprised by that, shes always been more a "let me talk about something else than what u want to know" kinda gal

Cacabunga1d 12h ago

If what they are doing is that good, what’s the point of hiding the true story?

anast1d 17h ago

She's a caricature of the shareholders.

PRIMORDUS1d 15h ago

"Shareholders" I call them cancer, they are already rich to begin with but need more and more. It's like a disease, with no cure.

__y2jb23h ago

If you have a pension then you are likely to be a shareholder in these big tech companies yourself. To demonize them as 'heartless rich people' shows you have no idea what you're talking about.

anast21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

@Y2

Of course, it isn't about that. You are attempting to set up a self-righteous strawman to stir up some kind of ignorant mob mentality.

And by the way, most everyone is a touch heartless or we wouldn't be able to consume the products we do knowing very well how they are made. People have to be this way because of self-preservation and convenience.

__y2jb19h ago

@anast please explain to me how what i said is self righteous or a strawman. I simply pointed out that categorizing all shareholders as cancer is ridiculous.

Leeroyw1d 12h ago

I own shares in game companies. I'm not anything near a major share holder. I just want them to make good games and be successful because of that. I think it's the senior management that's the problem. They are the ones that should be making it clear to the shareholders what creates growth and ensures a future of their business. Not this weasle words garbage that she did on the interview. It was horrific. I don't know a shareholder that would be happy with any of them for this.

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Same and I'm not rich by any stretch like most people's I'm just trying to keep my head above water these days most company's shareholders are made up of everyday people it's amazing how companies think we want something but the reality is we don't.

Disney are probably the worse at the moment it's shareholders voted on ending a lot of the crap and outing the current execs the execs turned around and said no we disagree with the shareholder vote

PRIMORDUS1d 7h ago

I meant at the rich fucks who have millions in the bank already. They are making so much per year, that if they don't make what they are expecting they go into a panic, when in reality it will not even hurt them at all. Those are greedy assholes.

anast22h ago

"you have a pension then you are likely to be a shareholder"

Pensioners don't make any decisions about anything. Obviously that is not what this is about.

CrimsonWing691d 17h ago

Yea, it was and it’s insulting that they think we’re dumb enough to fall for this. Look, the truth was you took a gamble on these studios and while they released some games to critical praise and great reception they just aren’t bringing in a ROI. Be transparent, you’re not a politician.

Just tell everyone you spend money on projects big and small and when money isn’t being made you go over the potential of revenue a studio can bring in vs those that can’t and make the hard decision to chop them.

She says this whole thing about “success” doesn’t fit one meaning for each studio. Well yea, a small budget production isn’t going to expect to sell the same as a large budget production.

One thing I wish they did though was let Tango be an independent studio.

TheGamingHounds1d 16h ago

disheartening to see no regard for the human cost of business anymore
the bad decisions and judgements of these CEOs severely impact the frontliners
these fake responses are just salt on wounds

RoadRacer1d 16h ago

imagine havin the audacity to say "we need more games like hifi rush" right after closing the studio that made it lol
followin up with this show of "deflecting every question" was in poor taste

StormSnooper1d 13h ago

MS is all about lip service.

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