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Microsoft can’t explain why its 4K is $100 better than Sony’s

From Microsoft’s perspective, the Xbox One X, the new console built to take advantage of the rapid growth of 4K televisions, is a luxury item. Its diminutive shell contains an abundance of RAM, teraflops, and other expensive bits. For that reason, $499 is a logical price for Microsoft to go with, but it isn’t a competitive one.

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MegaMohsi2512d ago

for $100 more the hardware is easily worth it, the problem is they're no games to justify $500.

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Elda2511d ago

True...they proved that at their conference.

YEP4142511d ago

I have no problem with 3rd party support fo 4k! Im not buying that destiny shit! Haters! And being lazy

Malacath2511d ago

Typical PS fanboy bullshit saying there are no games.

I have many games on my xbox one that are not available on my ps4.

I have many games that are on ps4 too. The fact is whether exclusives or not a game is a game and the xbox one has hundreds

4U2NV2510d ago

But i bet that list consists of halo gears and forza somewhere if not thr definitely some dude bro shooter. with the exception of ori its this lack of diversity that os hurting them.
trust me i own an xbox, i have all three but if you have been failing to see ms has been slacking since 2010 on exclusive games that are new ip - and that are not just mainly shooters then your just a blind product faithful im afraid. Im not im a gamer so different ranges and diversity of games is what its all about.

Death2510d ago

If you exclude both Forza titles, both Forza Horizon titles, Gear 4, and Halo 5 you do trim down the exclusives list. I guess my question is why are you excluding 7 games just to prove your point? These are the core titles on Xbox and games that many Xbox owners own and can't play on PlayStation. Would love to see more first party games, but wouldn't trade these for them. Sea of Thieves and Crackdown are on their way along with what looks to be the best Forza to date. I enjoyed Quantum Break and Recore as well.

InTheLab2511d ago

The XBOX 1X is basically the PS3 with no games. Yes the UHD is a nice feature but as far as gaming goes, 4k is 4k and very few even have a tv to utilize it.

Psytrix2510d ago

- And by the time there is, we'll all be gearing up for the launch of the PS5.. They really shit the bed on this one.

S2Killinit2510d ago

For me its not worth it to pay 500 plus taxes to buy a console that doesn't have any games that set it aside.

I will use that money to buy games, then I will get the PS5 whenever that's coming.

FyBy2510d ago

I absolutely agree. Price is on par with hw upgrade from pro. Spencer is dumb if he says pro cant be compared to X. Its same level of device. Its pointed at 4K, so this is exactly the device to compare to.

And it makes sense. For 400 USD you get mainly checkerboard 4K and sometimes native 4K. For 500 USD you get mainly native 4K and sometimes checkerboard.

Who is X for?
1)For people who dont want to buy a PC and want best multiplat experience
2)For xbox and bc fans

Who X isnt for?
1)For people who wants to play lot of exclusive games aside from multiplats
2)For people who wants to try VR and dont want to invest in pc gaming rig

For me, ps is my home place. I also have 3DS and considred to buy switch....but its not worth it for me now.

Gh05t2510d ago

I agree,
I am going to get an OX when it comes out. I do have a PC but when I play on console I really only ever play multiplats, Im not a fan of either companies exclusives, and this console has a better chance of providing the better experience for the games I will actually play. The money is not an issue for me either.

This console isnt meant to sell gangbusters, its a premium item, for the few who want it. Its like having the flight sticks and racing wheels... you can use a keyboard/controller that costs 1/4 the price... or you can get a premium experience. Both do just fine but some people have the money and want the experience.

It is definitely not for everyone and, I dont get why some people argue about this topic like it needs to be mass market.

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KingKionic 2512d ago

It is worth the $500 easily. Regardless of launch lineup being Crackdown 3 and Forza 7. They still will have tons of games running at native 4K and improved visuals in that launch lineup.

Microsoft is still in a very strong position with Xbox One X.

They have lots of support for it.

HaikusfromBuddha2511d ago

Yeah I mean just adding the 4K Blu Ray player adds the extra value.

Macosan2511d ago

Exactly, plus the increased memory and boost to the graphics. Now if Sony would have dropped the price of the PS4, we would be talking a different story.

LgbtWarrior2510d ago

Xbox slim already does that.

Zabatsu2510d ago

Who even buy bluray movies nowadays though? :/ I'm way to spoiled with streaming and 4k streaming works wonders today.

super_cuddles2510d ago

It does not add extra value

Rhythmattic2510d ago

Zabatsu
if you can't see the difference between bluray or UHD compared to streaming services, I guarantee you won't see the difference between Native 4K and checkerboard 4K

Cryptcuzz2510d ago

@Macosan

If Sony wanted to, they can announce a price cut to the Pro ($349 would be my guess) around October. Tokyo Game Show is also around that time. Right before the X1X is released. That way it doesn't eat into their profits now and a move like that from Sony would be Overkill IMHO.

MrFisher212510d ago

I know the 4k player in my Xbox S is trash compared to my True Samsung 4k player. I have compared on my samsung 8500. Just sayin. The Xox has the same player. Not a good thing if your a true Videophile and want true 4k. The Xbox S doesn't handle the black colors to well when it comes to 4k players. And most cheap ones don't.

Zabatsu2510d ago

Ridiculous comment Rhythmattic.

People barely see or experience that minimal difference on small screens. It's only fanatics claiming that they actually notice differences on rolling material; and these differences are only there if you zoom in on two still images x10.

Streaming 4k material with a good line, does not give me any big perceivable difference in quality and for that matter, have you heard of a HTPC? Streaming isn't just Netflix, dude.

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yeahokwhatever2511d ago

"Microsoft is still in a very strong position with Xbox One X" how so?

TheCommentator2510d ago (Edited 2510d ago )

It does 4K, has a UHD drive, actually improves more than resolutiion so 1080p TV's still see a benefit, and new games are in the works for next year. Oh yeah, and a dozen and a half launch exclusives over the next 12 months on some really amazing IP.

Just like Sony, MS didn't need to show new games this year either.

yeahokwhatever2510d ago

That's not a strong position. That's a feature list. If neither Sony or Microsoft had any consoles on the market right now, I can see an argument being made about feature lists for future products having something to do with theoretical market positioning. 499(xb1x) vs. 399(ps4pro) is not a strong position for the guy selling the console at 499. Period.

SirBradders2510d ago

Go away you think the masses are gonna run out and buy them. Only existing hardcore x box fans will buy one.

Why am I gonna go waste £449 to play with people I don't know and with a pony 1st party lineup. I Guarentee there will be a marginal number of 3rd parties that perform way beyond a discernable difference to the pro.

MS have already had to differenciate between 4k and Ms enhanced evident from their briefing so we have more smoke and mirrors, considering they said it will be a 4k monster. Why they show all their games on PC for? Hype my friend.

The CPU is still weak as F... Just like the pro so don't expect wow factors.

It can't even do D2 at 60fps.

Bruh2510d ago

Dumbass

It can't do Destiny 2 at 60 FPS because Bungie would never let base Xbox One users get underhanded by those playing at double the frame-rate on the same network

SirBradders2510d ago

If the the x could do it easily then it will, phil already said to all developers take full advantage.

All bungee have to do is clock damage etc... Online to balance the frame rates just like PC.

You got a head full of magic Bruh.

Guyfamily9992510d ago

For me personally, if I'm playing a game at Checkerboard 1800p while the X plays it at Native 4K, that won't bug me very much. CB 1800p (such as in Infamous, Watch Dogs 2, Mass Effect, etc) looks plenty great to me and not all that different from CB 4K and Native 4K once you're playing the game. I'm wondering how many X fans have actually seen the difference playing a game, because most don't own a Pro.

Besides, lots of games won't even be that much of a difference. Mathematically a 40 percent GPU boost would be enough to go from 1800p to 2160p, not CB 1800p to 2160p.

TheCommentator2510d ago

ME:A on XB1S looks almost as good as the Pro version, and it's just upscaled to 4K. Pro is nothing more than a cash grab by Sony.

yeahokwhatever2510d ago

TheCommentator,
"cash grab" is not an argument. Every product or service being sold for money is a "cash grab".

boing12510d ago

MS wants to sell their 4k console (XBX) to people who already have 4k console (Pro). Good luck with explaining why they should eventually switch. We care about the tech inside but we are also a fraction of the market. Casual gamer is already hooked on the ecosystem of his choosing. There is absolutely no reason to switch at this point if you have Pro, games for it and friends on the platform. The way I see it, XOne users are the main target for XBX. Yes, you can have both Pro and XBX but multi-console owners are also a fraction.

dragongod642510d ago

Thous two game "Crackdown 3" are the most Hated games there. Crackdown 3 still looks like it still needs work.

thejigisup2510d ago

what is the difference between checkerboard and native 4k? I already own a console that can do the checkerboard which tbh is very good and a negligible difference between what i've seen as comparing native 4k content.

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Neonridr2512d ago

pretty sure there are many things that contribute to the $100. Faster CPU, GPU, more memory, UHD drive..

I mean I think it's fair to say it doesn't need explaining..

Whether or not it's justified is the main question.

porkChop2511d ago

It's far faster than the PS4 Pro, has a 4K Blu Ray drive, and plays games in 4K. Not upscaled. Not checkerboard. Real, native 4K. Regardless of exclusives, the hardware easily justifies the extra $100. For any entertainment enthusiast looking for 4K, the Xbox One X is the clear choice.

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Bruh2510d ago

@Kryptic

It does, but even its flagship titles don't output native 4K. I love my Pro, but I can def see why it warrants a cheaper price vs the One X.

SirBradders2510d ago

Pork Chop not all games announced by Ms stated native 4k a lot of them said enhanced. I wonder what that means?

I'm not saying the games wont look great because let's face it they will but get your head out your ass.

Always remember it's what the developers do. I can't wait to see the fan boys crying when Sony 1st part games look better than X's whole lineup.

Developers talent and art style go a long way.

Guyfamily9992510d ago

Bro. Seriously, stop drinking the Kool aid. Assassins Creed Origins run at CHECKERBOARD 4K WITH DYNAMIC RESOLUTION SCALING (meaning it will drop below 2160p). That's at 30fps btw.

The X is literally only 40 percent more powerful than the Pro. That's not enough to run everything at Native 4K, especially not at 60fps. Xbox One X versions will by and large be slightly clearer PS4 Pro versions.

yeahokwhatever2510d ago

XB1X is shinier versions of console games designed for a system half as powerful as a base ps4. Both beefed up versions are only able to polish the turds that were designed for each platform. Its still PS4 vs. XB1. XB1 is still inadequate with it's stupid DDR3. For example: I can run an old PC game in 4K, say, BF1942. Does that make BF1942 as good looking as BF1? BF1 @ 1080p? @720p? No. Why? Polygons, textures, etc. Rasterized image resolution isn't the only ingredient into making a pretty picture. You'll never have an Uncharted 4 on a XB as long as the OG XB1 is still being supported.

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GameBoyColor2510d ago

I wouldn't count the cpu. It's more or less an oc'd version of the ones og ps4 and x1 use so they probably get it for the same bulk price. The gpu though is a definite addition.

Neonridr2510d ago

well if you look at the spec sheet it no longer refers to the CPU as a Jaguar core, but a "Custom" core. What that means exactly is your best guess, we will know more once a company does a tear down of it.

yeahokwhatever2510d ago

@Neonridr
I'm old enough to remember the "custom" chip in the Shield, er, I mean, "Switch".

Lennoxb632512d ago

People just mention 4K. Yet forget to mention it will have 4K AND better graphics, fx, antialiasing, etc.

k2d2510d ago

The proof is in the pudding

Guyfamily9992510d ago

Graphics will only improve in an easy to run game like Forza which is managing native 4K with headroom to spare. Third party games won't. AC Origins is Checkerboard 4K with dynamic res scaling, and most other third party games won't be native 4K either. Unless the Pro version manages a native 1800p with no trickery, the X can't mathematically hit 2160p without trickery (you know, checkerboarding, temporal injection, blah de blah).
Mind you these are good technologies. What matters is how good the image actually looks. These technologies improve what you can get out of the systems.

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PlayStation x PUMA orders open April 18, 2024, Priced between $100 - $120!

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Barlos23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

Well, they're ugly aren't they?

phoenixwing10h ago

Isn't any better or worse than any other shoe. Most of them are made in sweat shops no matter what logo they have

Ironmike20h ago

Playstation should have went with nike

JackBNimble10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

I'd be embarrassed wearing any clothing with a console sponsored brand unless is was 12 years old.

Tody_ZA16h ago

It ain't real until LeBron tells us what this shoe means to his career.

DefenderOfDoom213h ago

Puma the unofficial sneakers for the NYC Breakers from the movie Beat Street (1984)

Abnor_Mal3h ago

Those were the suede ones like the burgundy ones with the fat shoe laces. If you were really nice you had the checker board laces done up. A pair of Lee or Guess jeans a BVD nylon T-shirt. Rocking some Gazelles and Kangol cap preferable the beaver fur.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv723d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle2d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning772d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga2d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv722d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19922d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21832d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan2d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit2d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus232d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv722d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier2d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan1d 17h ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1012d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos2d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-2d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac2d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1012d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic2d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead2d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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