Playtonic removes controversial YouTuber JonTron from Yooka-Laylee

“We do not endorse or support JonTron's personal viewpoints”

[majiebeast]

Yeah wouldn't want those 10 people to boycot your game...

[pasta_spice]

Lol at the people boycotting the game because they won't get to hear Jontron make a single 'boop' noise on the menu screen. Who cares?

If I said the shit Jontron was saying, I'd be fired from my company on the spot. And yet people are surprised and shocked that Jontron is no longer in the game because it's "only his personal opinions". Pfft. These people obviously aren't old enough to have a job or represent a company. You can be fired for having shitty opinions on your facebook page nowadays, especially if your have the company you work for on your page too.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed

if you work for a company you also publicly represent them to a degree.

[bluefox755]

Depends on your job, he didn't say anything controversial unless you're on the far left and intolerant to other views.

[andrewsquall]

@_-EDMIX-_ But that isn't the same thing at all. You are saying that as if Jon works at Playtonic. He doesn't.

Its more like he showed up for the day and fixed their plumbing and left his patented shine on the bathroom facilities. Now that he said that stuff, they are unfortunately going to get the pipes done by somebody else, when really who the hell cares.
So a plumber's opinion can publicly represent a companies views lol???

[Kabaneri]

You would be fired for having the same views that the President (and half of America) has? Thats absolute insanity.
You leftists are the ones who are truly intolerant, destroying people's careers because youre too emotional and arrogant to hear out other people's views without calling them racist, white supremacist, nazi, etc.
"The fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists" - Winston Churchill

[davand114]

@andrewsquall
Actually if you are contracted to do voice acting for a company as long as that project is in the works, you do work for them and you should act in a professional manner.

[game4funz]

Who cares? It is not about what he does in the game.
Its the fact that if they dont agree with your viewpoints they are willing and able to discriminate against you based on personal views.

That is the problem.

This is a huge issue. How long before they start asking personal view points in interviews and people are forced to lie in order to land a job.

Companies should have goals...not views as a whole. They should not get involved in social and political correctness crap. Unless of course the company's goal is just that.

[Christopher]

***Companies should have goals...not views as a whole. They should not get involved in social and political correctness crap. Unless of course the company's goal is just that.***

That's not how life works. People have the right to spend or not spend their money, and for some that is based on political and social reasoning.

***he didn't say anything controversial unless you're on the far left and intolerant to other views.***

Sorry, but his wealthy black Americans comment is extremely controversial. As well as getting rid of discrimination in the West.

It's also perfectly fine to be critical of views when they are wrong or harmful. I'm critical of the viewpoint that the world is flat, for example, which people actually believe.

[Gheritt_White]

@Kabaneri FYI, Churchill never said that (ridiculous) quote you posted. Source: http://bit.ly/2odOhyu

[Ogygian]

In the UK (where Playtonic is based), if you fire someone for their political beliefs, you can be sued for unfair dismissal. HOWEVER, this only applies to employees, and it seems that JonTron was almost certainly a contractor, so he's not protected.

But if one of their employees said this, they would be breaking the law by firing them.

[_-EDMIX-_]

What does a boycott have to do with this? The reality is the developer may not want such views to be misconstrued with their own.

[davand114]

Like you said Playtonic does not want the public to view Jontrons opinion as there own. They have right to drop a contracted worker if they do or say something controversial that doesn't match their views as a company.

[desertpunk86]

are you saying that only whites will play yooka laylee!?!?RACIST!

[CrimsonWing69]

I mean, Jon, bro I love you n' all but you kinda said things that put you in this position. While i respect you for having your beliefs and stances I have to say I don't blame these people for not agreeing with you and wanting to distance themselves. It might not even be because of consumers boycotting the game, it might be actual devs or business executives that didn't agree with you. That's how the cookie crumbles.

[KrystofKage1]

Video game devs and voice artists are constantly being assholes. Manveer was a racist and Bioware praised the guy, even when he was insulting white employees.

This is just bullshit. Another company pandering to SJW's because of their loud screeching. Thankfully most companies have realized they have more to lose by doing so. This will only hurt Yooka Laylee, not help it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

How do you know they're pandering?

How would this hurt the game? People are not purchasing the game for any political beliefs so why would they decide to not purchase it because of some sort of political belief? I think you've greatly confused why people play games buddy.

[pasta_spice]

I love how people always blame the SJWs for things like this, instead of realizing that this is a fairly standard business decision. Playtonic are a private business who makes family-friendly games. So they generally don't want to be associated with people who spout racist crap on a public forum and proudly proclaim they are a white supremacist. It has nothing to do with "pandering to SJWs" and everything to do with avoiding a PR disaster and trying to keep that family-friendly image. Especially considering this is their first ever game. They want to release it as smoothly as possible.

[bluefox755]

That's ok though, because he's a liberal.

[davand114]

This isn't pandering to sjw at all what are you talking about? Just because Bioware tolerated racist bullshit Playtonic should too? That makes no sense. Also most companies would have done the same thing. Bringing a negative light on a company through your own actions will get you fired 99% of the time. Hell you could be the president of the company and if you come out saying some dumb shit the board of directors will vote you out.

[xwabbit]

@InMyOpinion
Anyone who isn't liberal is called racist these days so that word and Nazi really hold no weight, I got called a Nazi for saying all lives matter, thats how disabled those people are.

[PlayableGamez-]

pasta_spice
Please cite your source that Jon proudly admits to being a white supremacist?

[TWB]

It doesnt have to be a clear stance on either side. Jon fked up. Instead of thinking what he said, he rambled. I recognize the points he was trying to say (at least most of them), but incoherently he always framed the issues in a way that they sounded racial.

Its hard to defend someone, when you are not even exactly sure what he's saying.

This is not pandering to the SJW's. This is just them trying to distance themselves from Jon and his mess.

For the record, Im not burnt by Jon, but goddamned does he have to refine his thoughts better before he digs the hole any deeper. First the outrage was just funny, but the Destiny vs Jon debate was a fking disaster.

[SpinalRemains138]

It's not pandering. It's a business distancing itself from a lightning rod. Pandering is putting transexual characters into games due to pressure.

[Christopher]

***I got called a Nazi for saying all lives matter, thats how disabled those people are.***

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say you likely get called things because you refer to them as disabled. It's like people are confused when other people don't respond calmly when you call them cucks.

[cberg25]

I guarantee associating their game with an alt-right figurehead would have done more damage than benefit.

[jrshankill]

meh. Jon is rolling in ad money anyway. I'm sure he cares very little.

Put it this way, I'm sure it wasn't Jontron who approached Playtonic.

[silvacrest]

Weird comment, do you actually care about this guys personal fortune over his racist remarks?

Even if you are a fan of his (i'm assuming)

[TheDivine]

Their statement said they fired him for his personal beliefs. Sounds like discrimination and a lawsuit. Hope he wins.

[Retroman]

Amen, bro. if you Can't stand up for your personal belief what you got left? MK Ultra mind control telling you to lie to gamers to buy any games with Glitches . is that fair guys? this apply to disagreeers as well . im talking about ALL of us as a whole.

[IanTH]

But...isn't Playtonic telling Jon that they no longer want his services because they don't believe what he believes in standing up for their personal beliefs?

If Jon was offered a job and then said, no sir, I don't agree with your views so I refuse to work with you...that'd be applauded I'm gathering. But Playtonic saying no sir, I don't agree with your views so I refuse to work with you...that's discrimination? Where is the line drawn?

[joethetimelord]

@instantstupor
The problem isn't in the reactions themselves, but how the reactions were carried out. Jontron respected Playtonic's views even though he didn't agree with them. He tolerated their politics in a professional environment, and did his part in that environment. The second he began stating his own views, and not directly to Playtonic, mind, Playtonic fired him. They were intolerant of his politics in a professional environment, which is not a good thing.

Even now that the deed is done, he's not decrying them for political reasons. In fact he still wishes them well. That's a measure of maturity and professionalism that Playtonic has proven they do not have.

[pasta_spice]

That's not how the law or discrimination works at all. Playtonic is a private business that has the right to express itself as they see fit. If they do not wish to include voice work by a controversial figure in their video game that is well within their right. Jon’s free speech was not violated in any way because Playtonic is not the government and they have to right to do whatever they want with the content he contributed to their game.

In this particular case, JonTron has almost certainly already been paid for his contributions (that’s kind of how VO work functions), and the company is removing his content from the game to avoid the appearance of having an association with him; they are absolutely within their right to do so—just as JonTron was within his rights to express his view in a public forum. He decided to say what he said, and he’s now reaping the whirlwind he unleashed. .

That is exactly how professional associations work.

Jontron expressed his free speech by saying the things he said on youtube. Playtonic are expressing their free speech by removing him from their content. Free speech works both ways.

[senorfartcushion]

Why would they know? They're just teens lol

[Enigma_2099]

@pasta_spice

...aaaaaaand BOOM! Mic drop!

[spicelicka]

Word.

[AnotherProGamer]

yet people go crazy and protest down the street when a store won't sell gay people a cake LOL

[_-EDMIX-_]

I don't think you understand how the law works.

The company is not stopping him from having that believe they're making clear that they're not going to employ him because of it but no where are they forcing him to believe something else nothing has technically been violated.

You cannot work for Walmart or any major corporation and then go on Facebook and YouTube and Sprout racist garbage and not expect to be fired.

Again I don't think you fully understand illegally how that actually works it's not saying that you could say whatever you want and remain employed , it's simply saying you're free to believe and say whatever you feel like it but if the company does not agree with you they're going to fire you to protect their image or because they have their own personal beliefs that technically conflict with your own.

Again that's not forcing anyone to not have that believe, it's simply saying you're free to believe in that but clearly not with our company.

I'm pretty positive when JonTron signed up for this he also made it clear that he would have to abide by specific policies in images that the company has set forth.

When you decided to go on his racist rant he kind of made his own grave.

It's not saying he's not free to make those statements it's simply saying his choice to make those statements is no different than the choice of the company to fire him they both fitted of their own free will and own volition so you're blaming a company for the actions of someone else?

I mean ironically have you not slowly realized that JonTron is as free as to make those statements as the damn company is free to fire him?

LMFAO!!!

Did you seriously think he had a right to that job?

[LAWSON72]

Only job you could not be fired for something like that is probably a government job. Your freedoms only go so far when you depend on employment.

That is why people tell you to be careful with what you say on a site like facebook. HR is not going to interview a racist, sexist, and overall very negative/nasty person.

[davand114]

He can't actually sue. He got fired because he said some racist, xenophobic shit on a public forum. Playtonic as a private company have the right to part ways with a contracted worker if their actions negatively effect them, or are not aligned with their beliefs, or their code of conduct.

[rocketpanda]

He is allowed the have his personal belief. You think if a personal view isn't extreme that there won't be a reaction, especially in business and when money is involved.

Funny that you think it is discriminatory for a dev to drop him when he made massive sweeping racial statements with no information to back it up whilst laughing about saying "look it up!" If he made credible arguments and cold back them up rather than ask to google it he would be in this situation with egg on his face.

There will be no lawsuit and he won't win anything. He should of gone the TB route and realized that voicing political issues doesn't go down well with your viewers who don't care about your immigration or political stances and would rather have you keep it to yourself, in which TB later acknowledged. JonTron just kept digging himself deeper and deeper during that Destiny video interview.

People get upset if a YouTuber gives a game a score they don't agree with, what do you think the reaction is when they start saying borderline racial slurs?

[admiralvic]

I'm surprised how many people commented without mentioning what exactly discrimination is. Technically, regardless of where he worked, this isn't discrimination. For it to be discrimination, it has to be something that is completely unjust, like firing over age, race, gender, disability and so forth. He can't win and odds are the contract he signed said something about not ruining the companies image or something else where this would come into play.

Now, he could sue, but there is a 99.99 percent chance he would lose.

[roarmonster]

Racism isn't a personal belief, it's a mental illness

[ZombieGamerMan]

Well I now know I won't be purchasing this game, I'm sorry but this is bullshit. Agree or disagree with personal views all you want but you can not remove him from it based on what he believes in. It's not right.

[Pandamobile]

"Rich blacks commit more crime than poor whites, look it up".

I can't imagine why a company selling a product would want to distance themselves from that.

[ZombieGamerMan]

He said stupid shit who cares, why does that warrant removing him from the game. Shouldn't a simple "We do not agree with his views" be enough because who is going to play the game with Jon in it and be like "I am extremely uncomfortable with the voice of someone who's view points I don't agree on being in this game, I feel sick" Who is going to be like that and if you are why?

[InMyOpinion]

@ZombieGamerMan - By not taking a stand against racism and racist remarks you send a signal that it's ok. It didn't work that well in Europe during the 30's and now it's brought us a lunatic in the white house. There should be zero tolerance against this kind of stupidity, cause that's essentially what racism is about.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@zomb- "He said stupid shit who cares, why does that warrant removing him from the game"

clearly the damn company making this game actually cares they don't want their game associated with a outspoken racist especially if the owners of that company do not share that belief.

He is free to have those views and he is free to take those actions in regards to expressing them JUST like that damn company is free to express their own views by actually firing him.

What you're basically saying it's JonTron should be free to express and do whatever he feels like it but the company should not be free to express their own views.

Completely ignoring that they own the company. It's going to seem very hypocritical and questionable of any companies character to say they don't agree with someone specific views yet continue to hire them in the first place.

It's actually going to sound like their integrity is for sale and that for any price they'll bend to any will.

I'm sorry buddy but he has his beliefs but so does that companies.

He made his choice they made theirs I'm not sure why you're telling a company the not Express their own views with the actions of firing him yet you're asking them to ignore Jon.

The hypocrisy is literally hilarious.

[Angerfist]

So? Are you afraid of Reality cause it destroys your Dream World? Dropped some #PrayforLondon Tweets?

Facts are out there. Jontron drops redpills and you guys are up in arms cause it might hurt a grown criminal mans feelings

[bluefox755]

Yes, he cited a Washington Post article that says the very same thing. Yet Washington Post still has advertisers? Like how you conveniently leave that part out. https://www.washingtonpost....

[Gh05t]

If only this type of thing was applied equally across the spectrum.

[ZombieGamerMan]

@ InMyOpinion Ok where is this perceived racism that we should be speaking out against and towards who is it being done to? And how has not talking a stand against your perceived racism gotten Donald Trump the presidency?

@ _-EDMIX-_ I have seen the stream Jontron was in and unless you believe he is an outspoken racist because the streamer called him that is moronic, now some of the things he has said are very dumb like more rich black people commit crimes than poor whites. I have no idea where he pulled that from and he clearly can't put up a good debate but then again the other guy was really bad too in trying to just ignore any points he had and call him a flat out racist. He expressed a view that it is not right that in countries where the majority of it's people are white find themselves being called racist because they point out social issues that need to be addressed because the other person might be a person of color. Which guess what he is not wrong just look at the 2016 presidential election and how Hilary supporters and the news media would call any Donald Trump supporters racist, white nationalist, sexist every buzzword in the book simply because Donald Trump spoke to their needs.

Now I am not being hypocritical when I say what the developers here did was wrong because Jontron did not go to promote the game, this wasn't some panel on the game where he started ranting and started spewing racial slurs. It was a "debate" between two people with different view points and because his view points are not very liberal or PC or progressive he is dubbed a racist and is removed from a game because the people making the game don't like what he thinks. As I said the company doesn't have to agree with what Jon believes in his private time or when he has political discussions with people and a simple "We do not share the same beliefs as Jontron" would have been enough. Sadly that is not the case and they are removing him because Jontron has a different opinion, this is the same as if he just said he was Republican and he got fired for it because the developers vote Democrat. It's mental and for anyone to be fine with it is just as mental.

[Realms]

@ZombieGamerMan

It's really simple they don't want to be associated with Jon Tron and his controversial beliefs. They did not fire him they are just choosing to distance themselves from him and they have every right to do so. Just like you have a right not to buy the game if what they did really bothers you.

[ZombieGamerMan]

@ realms but is it an actual right? Like if I'm a registered Republican for example and I worked for Naughty Dog and I was talking to my coworker that I thought Donald Trump has a valid point about illegal immigration and my boss heard it and he is a Democrat who voted Hilary should he be able to fire me because of my opinion? If the answer is yes then we live in a frightening world where people can't express themselves out of fear that I will lose my job.

This is what happened with Jon, people can cal his views racist but when he sit down and listen to what was being said you will see that what he is saying isn't discriminating anyone, he is pointing out the double standards of the left and how the people of any given country should primarily serving their own interest. And as I have been saying this was not Jon going out on the company's behalf talking about his views, this wasn't him going to fan Q&A's and using racial slurs to people, this was him as himself having a political discussion and that he is somehow being punished for this is disturbing to me.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Zombie- Buddy...you have a very, very hard time understanding how the law works.

" but is it an actual right? Like if I'm a registered Republican for example and I worked for Naughty Dog and I was talking to my coworker that I thought Donald Trump has a valid point about illegal immigration and my boss heard it and he is a Democrat who voted Hilary should he be able to fire me because of my opinion?"

Zombie....that answer was yes right when you stated "worked for Naughty Dog" Not Post office, not Police Officer, not Public School teacher etc. Mind you, even those governement jobs can and will fire you for expressing such things at the work place because you are free to believe what you want, but you are NOT free to do so under their employment IN THE WORK PLACE. You are still not getting.

You can say it......

Not working at Sony in their offices or online or facebook etc. lol

So what rights did they take away? How can you sue a company that is telling you pretty much upfront that those views are not to be expressed in the work place?

"we live in a frightening world where people can't express themselves"

You can't? Really? You are right now Zombie...who is putting duck tape on your mouth? Your upset and emotionally because you'd be fired over such a view, but your not understanding you can't have both. Sorry but companies don't want to be around such concepts and they are free to fire you for misrepresenting them.

JUST like you are free to make that view and expess it freely. Again....how "can't" you express yourself? You and I are posting right not right? I mean...you can make any damn post you feel like it on Facebook, just don't expect to keep your job when or if they find out.

So sure, your free to do it. No one is stopping you. Define "can't"? LMFAO! You don't understand it do you?

You are mad that someone else RIGHTS to fire you can be expressed on a COMPANY THEY OWN

Yet you also want to express ideas of hate and don't want those companies to express their own rights of firing you despite them owning said business? O_o? WTF?

LMFAO! Help me understand this friend, as it sounds like you want to offend and have the right to do so, but you also DON'T want companies have the right to fire you based on said beliefs....of companies they OWN...

[ChickeyCantor]

That's rather disingenuous. He didn't just randomly say that. He used STATISTICS. Whether he interpreted them wrong or not he wasn't being racist about that at all.

And this is the problem with that whole debate, no one considers the CONTEXT in which Jon spoke. Jon isn't racist and for anyone saying he is doesn't know how to follow a debate.

[jrshankill]

He is right though. Truth hurts it seems.

[Sono421]

He stated facts, I don't care if facts hurt someones feelings. Idiotic. This sjw bs needs to die already.

[pasta_spice]

That's....how businesses work though. If you say shitty things while representing a company, damn right you'd be fired for those "personal views". I'm more shocked that people are shocked by this.

[jaymacx]

freedom of speech covers you for legal stuff, but freedom of speech doesn't apply to your job.You can't talk crap and expect to retain your job. It could be something silly even.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@jay-agreed with both of you

people need to understand companies are seen no different than actual people. They are free to hire or fire whoever they feel just based on such things. JonTron also have the choice of not participating with a project of people that did not share his racist beliefs.

He chose to participate in such a project while with holding these beliefs.

[davand114]

People don't seem to understand what freedom of speech actually is.

[ZombieGamerMan]

@ pasta_spice and all of his repliers He went on a live stream as an individual he did not go to promote the game, he was not there as a representative of this company, he went there as just Jon Jaffari to have a political discussion. it was not him going on a promotional tour for the game, this was not him at some Q&A where he blurted out some racially charged slur.

He has a political belief that is closer to conservatism rather than liberalism and was invited by someone who is liberal to share with each other their political stance & view points and he shared those view points and at the worst he said some uninformed bull among some very real points that the other person and no one here has refuted. So how does that warrant him being removed from the game. You all like to repeat that freedom of speech isn't freedom of consequence or that the company has every right to fire him because of his racist views yet you don't point out what he said that is racist or why it's okay for him to removed.

Would any of you be okay if you got fired from your job because you voted Hilary Clinton and your boss is a Trump supporter? Are you okay then, are you okay if you said you think Hilary would have been a better president or if you had a vote Hilary sticker on your car and your boss saw it and said "You're fired" Are you going to say that's okay because you can fire me for whatever reason you want.

[PlayableGamez-]

You need to get off the internet and go outside more.

[gangsta_red]

You say stupid shit, you pay the price, plain and simple.

It's also this company's right to remove him if they don't agree with his views.

[ZombieGamerMan]

Are you okay if you were fired because you have a different opinion to your boss? Would you defend his right to fire you for that reason?

[Pookandpie]

@Zombie- This isn't a matter of having an opinion different to your boss. This is a matter of you, by being employed at your boss's company, are thereby representing his business. So when you say stupid shit on a public forum such as, "Rich blacks commit more crimes than poor whites, look it up" (which, there are no reputable numbers that back this claim), you are representing your boss's business poorly.

The business has a right to eliminate contact with you immediately. Hell, this is why employment in all US states but Montana is considered, "At-will." Meaning, the business can terminate your employment immediately for any reason. A business doesn't *have* to do anything- least of all if something you say could potentially make them look bad for having done business with you.

[_-EDMIX-_]

They're free to remove him as they see fit because it's their company , so what you're telling me is he's free to have offensive beliefs but the company is not free to fire him from a company that they own?

LMFAO!!!

[davand114]

They think that freedom of speech means you can say whatever the fuck you want whenever you want without consequence.

[Istolla]

Well apparently they can... ;-)

[Sirk7x]

They can remove his contributions for any reason they desire. The people running Playtonic have every single right to not want to be associated with a contributor, or cut content from the end product as they wish. It's their creative property. Imagine you go on Facebook and go on a rant, and it goes viral. Now, it's also common knowledge that you are employed wherever it is that you are, also, presumably, that people discover online. Now, your boss starts getting letters or messages from people and potential customers/clients/whatever that they don't approve of your behavior. You bet your ass in most cases you're going to be let go from your position, as you've made yourself a liability.

[Realms]

@ZombieGamerMan

LOL. No your boss could not fire you if you are a republican and said that to a co-worker because he would be facing a law suit. However if you where to go on social media and discredit the company in any way shape or form and they got bad publicity from it then you could get fired, that's why there are clauses in contracts and if you break them then you have breached the contract and that could be a cause for termination.

[joethetimelord]

No, it isn't right. Legal, sure, but not right.
They've already infuriated their backers thanks to this decision. If Playtonic had a shred of professionalism there would have been a minor controversy at worst. Now the hornets' nest is stirred, and that's not gonna be good for Playtonic.

[peewee11016]

Jon is a toxic trash who gets what's coming to him. I don't support him at all and I hope others do the sam

[jambola]

Only if the sam consents

[Kabaneri]

You people are the toxic trash infesting western civilization. I mean are you blind? There was just another attack in London yesterday. You people are willing to sacrifice innocent lives just so you can sleep at night with your phony "tolerance".
When the next 9/11 happens the blood will be on the hands of all you traitors.

[silvacrest]

That's pretty low, to use what happened in London to push your unrelated narrative

[Kabaneri]

@silvacrest
Its entirely related to some of JonTron's comments. You people use tragedy for political advantage all the time. Every time there is a mass shooting, liberals blame guns instead of the lunatics that used them. Once again a liberal displays his hypocrisy through flawed emotional arguments.

[Retroman]

This what Happen when Truth is mention, they block you or banned you. but if you keep lying how well any game is you get Rewarded with prizes . i personally rather be removed than continully lie how well for example : Mass Effect Amdromada is , knowing it is piece of crap with Glitches.

If Jontron stood on his belief how he personally felt on Mass effect Amdromada why crucify him? are we not Entitle to personal opinion ? or is that Unconstitutional now?

[Retroman]

I get a Disagree? im not Surprised . Life full of Naysayers no matter what the issue or topic is .

Sony or Microsoft article Naysayers in both 24 hours a day , Every week, 365 days a year.

Just one Question ......... who's paying you Naysayers to disagree each month illuminati??

[InMyOpinion]

I disagreed because I don't understand wtf you are trying to say. Did you just perform an abortion on your keyboard?

[_-EDMIX-_]

Because even crucifying him is Free Speech did you seriously think Free Speech didn't work both ways? JonTron is perfectly free to believe in what he believes in and no one is actually even infringing upon his right in the first place but people are free to criticize him just as he's free to have those beliefs.

It's a two-way street I think you seriously need to look up what Free Speech means that you can't be demanding that JonTron not have people make such statements towards him yet also demand that JonTron be allowed to make such statements towards other people

its too stupid, it's the dumbest backwards type of thinking I've ever heard

the hypocrisy.

Who is saying JonTron isn't entitled to his own belief? People are simply saying they don't believe in it can you even give an example upon somebody infringing upon his rights to express those beliefs in the first place?

Also why are you crying on people disagreeing with you? Are you one of these sad people that don't understand that people have different views? Did you honest-to-god believe that you were going to get 100% of agrees and not a single person was going to disagree with you?

Let me tell you this I understand I'm going to get disagrees​ but I also understand I'm going to get agrees , I don't care how many on either side I very much expect that people are different and will have different views and that's perfectly fine because I actually understand what Free Speech means it means somebody is free to disagree with me just as much as they're free to agree with me and vice versa.

Why am I not surprised that you're puzzled that someone disagreed with you? You cannot keep trying to force a concept down people's throats you need to understand that you have your beliefs and other people have there's the fact that you're even questioning this is literally hilarious considering what you just posted.

Lol

You literally have this conspiracy theory that the only people could be disagreeing with you have to be somehow conspiring or being paid you literally don't even understand the idea that someone could just have a different view than you.

I'm okay if someone disagrees with me I'm completely fine if they agree with me I understand free speech and how it works as it seems to me you're kind of confused by this.

[Retroman]

It's all good bro and you right Freedom of speech is for all to agree or disagree .

But in meantime your n4g history record shows disagreement level is extremely High compare to my low level disagree's . matter of fact im not here to collect agrees on any given subject. i voice my personal opinion on said subject im off to Facebook or YouTube .

[Retroman]

Matter of fact your disagree history level just as bad as mine. Freedom of speech bro lol carma back fire on you bro .

[capricasix]

Mass effect is faaaar from 'crap'. Its not what it could of been but its a bloody good game nonetheless.

[Relientk77]

Who? never heard of him

But getting Yooka Laylee day one, cant wait

[jambola]

OOOOHHHH buuuuurrrrrnnnn
you sure got him

[Retroman]

Oh really' i agree to Disagree ding! 10 disagree's

Drop mic

[opinionated]

I don't even know who that is but I lose respect for anyone that caves to these morons.

[opinionated]

From the gizmondo source this article used:
"Jafari also claimed that wealthy black Americans commit more crimes than poor whites (citation badly needed)"

That's true if you combine all black people into one lump sum like leftists do. What does wealth have to do with anything? Lol.. 82% of black crimes are federal offenses. Blacks keep up with other races in violent crime despite being only 14% of the population. This isn't racism, it's statistical. There are many reasons for this.
https://www.bjs.gov/content...

Coke is still surprisingly popular. Crack is dirty shit and it still dominates black cities and only them. Meth is the redneck crack and pills still dominate the white youth. These are sources of income and felonies. I don't agree with the war on drugs but you are a fool to ignore the symptoms. Same link as above ^

Black cities have voted in the 90th percentile for local left wing leaders since LBJs war on poverty and they are trapped. The youth, especially the black youth is decimated in terms of jobs. People will make money somehow though, it's inevitable with or without the law. Black unemployment is almost double anyone else.
https://www.bls.gov/web/emp...

This isn't racism, it's the failure of socialism. Black ghettos are full blown Marxist, a welfare state. Addictive dependency has replaced the family. Black kids are in single parent households 66% of the time and the public education has degraded in these cities. The Slave era had better family percentages and education, that's sad.
- http://datacenter.kidscount...

There are obvious reasons why ghettos don't work but the statistics support the facts. Blacks are convicted for felonies and federal offenses at a much higher rates than whites are. They are oppressed but it's not by courts, police, racists, white privilege or any other faith based opinion. Crime is against the law. Fix the laws, not the society. Their failures are 60 years of left wing dominance and dependency. That facts show it.

"the court system doesn’t display bias against people of color (it does)"
Fabrication. More poverty = More crime. There is no sign of racial bias in here > https://www.bjs.gov/content...

Whites still hold the crown for drug offenses, shitting on that talking point. "People of color" aren't in those statistics though. That's made up intellectual garbage.

[InMyOpinion]

"This isn't racism, it's the failure of socialism. Black ghettos are full blown Marxist, a welfare state."

Socialism? Really? :D
Last time I checked the US is the largest and historically most capitalistic country in the world. Those ghettos are one of the side effects that capitalism brings with it, and you'll see more of it now that you have a president that follows Reagans economic scheme to tax the poor and feed the rich.

[opinionated]

@imo

That's absolutely not true. You could not point to a shred of evidence for your opinion. Black ghettos are not the result of capitalism. The only capitalism going on in black cities is the black market. Those are obviously the most "free markets" available but they are also against the law. Hence the higher incarceration rate, which is my point. Socialism has done more damage to the black community than Jim Crow ever did, its fact.

[InahimeHondaSengoku]

I didn't know JonTron was still a thing? LOL

[cberg25]

I mean, he won't be for won't be for long after this.

[jambola]

I was on the fence about getting this game day 1
but no i know i won't
I hate this kind of oversensitive bs
so i'll just wait until this drops down do a really low price

[King Nezz]

This guy isn't even white. At least not 100%. His dad or mom is Iranian, so if Trump were president around the time he was conceived, there would be a good chance his mommy and daddy would have never met that night.

[Muadiib]

Only if they were illegal, Trump isn't against immigration despite what you may have heard from the fake news media.

[King Nezz]

"Only if they were illegal"? You mean because those Iranians here are legal citizens and he knows because of that he can't deport them. If he was a dictator, citizen or not, he would send them packing because he would say they are bad hombres.

[cberg25]

Dude has been trying to push a Muslim ban through the courts for months. You can stop hiding it - we all know he's a racist, and you support him.

[Muadiib]

@cberg25 If it is a Muslim ban then why does it only target 6 out of around 50 Muslim nations? It's because as i'm sure you know they are problem countries that give sanctuary to Islamic extremists and have terrible records. Besides, the ban is temporary anyway until Trump's cabinet can assess the situation better.

Sooner or later you will have to wake up to the fact that we are at war, a good place to start is to not get all of your info from propaganda media like Huff Post and CNN et al, they have no interest in the truth.

[capricasix]

he sure looks white, did you check your eyesight recently?

[Allsystemgamer]

I guess light skinned Latinos, Iranians, Arabs are white too right?

The fucks wrong with you?

[PurpHerbison]

He looks like a bootleg version of that Drake & Josh guy. Not sure what his name was on the show, either Drake or Josh, but you guys know who I meant.

[senorfartcushion]

Removing a moron from a game?

Fine by me.

[jambola]

Were you removed?

[senorfartcushion]

Probably the most childish answer I could have gotten.

The obvious victim trying to get some power *schtick that has befallen the white virgins of the internet is getting old.

I don't care if these people were bullied in high school, starting fights is what bullies do and emulating that villifies them. Victims should want to be the peaceful ones.

[jambola]

Not sure what any of that was about
but yeah
i'm the child here
you just keep being the adult who calls people "moron" in comment sections
like all adults do

[senorfartcushion]

He is, it's not my fault is it?

Look at that stupid beard!

[Kabaneri]

Keep up the good fight JonTron. I dont give a damn what these cucks think and you shouldnt either.

[Articuno76]

The whole appeal of this game is that it apes platformer collectathons from the N64-era which was BEFORE Youtube was a thing. If anything this makes the whole thing more authentic. Including a Youtuber at all just seems an odd idea.

[Muadiib]

Looks like I might be skipping this game then, maybe they don't want conservatives buying it anyway and I bet there's an anti-Trump joke in there anyway...it has to be said, it does look like Mexican's are taking over certain parts of the south of the USA, I'm just sayin...

[AZRoboto]

The Southwestern United States was literally Mexico before the US took it from Mexico. There was even a war. They were here before the whites were, in case you don't know history or like, maps, geography, or that not 100% of Americans are white.

It has to be said, maybe there'd be less "Mexicans" here if lazy white Americans could pull their own weeds for once. But that might put thorns in their delicate palms.

[JackTheLiz]

You mean these guys have never pulled open a history book? Well color me blindsided.

[ColonelHugh]

To be fair, Mexico was giving incentives to Americans for years to emigrate to what was then northern Mexico in an attempt to strengthen Mexico's border and increase agricultural production. Almost like the shoe had been on the other foot, right?

Eventually Texas wanted to secede from Mexico cause 'Texas'. America didn't really take all that much from Mexico during the wars, but they did come to Texas' aid and eventually made Texas a state.

[Muadiib]

Sounds like you believe Mexican's are entitled to California etc, wow...that's rich considering Mexico's violent history and present actually.

[Gh05t]

"They were here before the whites were" -Really??? "Mexico" wasn't even a freaking country when the french colonized part of Texas

"...before the US took it from Mexico"

Took or Won?

But then again who is rewriting history here. Its not like the US stole it,

Texas went independent after fighting the Mexican army. Mexico refused to acknowledge it, Texas joined with the US, Polk (The US President) offered Mexico money to buy Texas to put the dispute to rest. Mexico refused and attacked US Soldiers in Texas, The US fought back and WON all the territory in the 1848 Cesseion... Mexico should be happy there is still a Mexico left after picking a fight like that and losing so badly.

But then again you basically proved the point that there are people who believe that part of the US belongs to Mexico still and yet hes getting called a racist for it... But lets just forget about La Raza (Mexican Nationalists racists) am I right?

Maybe you should crack open your history book.

[Allsystemgamer]

Then leave the US kid. It belongs to Mexico according to you.

Why don't we all just keep living in the past? That's how you move forward right?

[JackTheLiz]

.....what in the world are you talking about?!

[capricasix]

You make it seem like mexicans are some kind of invasive species, not humans. Does their tanned skin intimidate you? If that's the case, you are more sensitive than those so called 'leftist crybabies'.

[Muadiib]

It's not about race or ethnicity but culture. The USA's culture is too important in this world to just disappear and I say that as a foreigner.

[capricasix]

@Muadiib wait, so rampant consumerism/ commercialization of mass culture is a valuable export? You are sooooooo deluded.

[CDbiggen]

I've been out of the loop on JonTron for ages, since when has he been controversial (no i couldn't be bothered to read the article)

[Hugodastrevas]

Since he made an appearance on Sargon of Akkad's livestream, then he had a debate with Destiny but he was very unprepared so he kind of made a fool of himself (he's not a very good debater).

[CDbiggen]

Sounds embarrassing. I also have no idea who Destiny is xD. But i get the idea now, thanks bud.
People should stick to what they know.

[ZombieGamerMan]

Since he took a stance AGAINST PC culture and SJW

[capricasix]

Dont talk shite zombiegamerman. You make him out to be some kind of hero or something with that stance statement. He made racist remarks, how is that defendable? Unless you are simple minded like the rest of the racists and bigots.

[Hugodastrevas]

Glad to help, you can still check the videos up on youtube if you want to know more.

[wheresmymonkey]

Why don't we just call Jontron what he is.. a bigeot. I'm not going to respect his opinion, because I don't. His opinions at best are incredibly ill iunformed and at worst that of a racist.

Free speech means you have the right to your opinion. It doesn't mean you have the right to have it unapposed. You can't be an A$$hole and expect people to just let it slide. Sooner these children on Youtube relaise that, the better.

[ZombieGamerMan]

What was racist about it, I saw his talk but please point to me what he said that was racist and I would like to add the text book definition of racism

Racism: prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

[JackTheLiz]

Once again I laugh at those that get "triggered" about this type of action. It really is very common in business for a company to remove someone that expresses an opinion they don't want to be associated with. Let's say if Phil Spencer said that all Muslims should be exterminated. Would it be discrimination or the fault of SJWs for Microsoft immediately sacking him because they don't want to be associated with that extreme line of thought? This is capitalism, survival of the fittest, and that means not being associated with stuff like that.

[DialgaMarine]

You know... I get why people don't care for his personal views, but they are his personal views, keyword being personal. Playtonic has every right to remove him, but it also makes them look like more cucks who live by "you can believe what want, as long as it falls under my agenda!" types. I doubt he's going to somehow slip some "f*cking ragheads!" Comment into your game, but whatever.

[CrystalFantasy]

This is not an SJW situation. Jontron and his views are very dangerous. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. That does not mean it'll be without consequence.

Colin getting bashed for a joke was bs. Jontron spewing borderline racist bs is not cool at all.

[rocketpanda]

JonTron confirmed to record audio for Hatred 2!

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he's only controversial if your an intolerant brainwashed liberal hippie. lefties need to realize people are getting tired of your shit

[Wrex369]

Having free thought is fine. Making a game the way you want is fine too. :P don't see the big hurt here.

[Realms]

Everyone should be allowed to say what they want and believe but they should know that there are consequences for saying those things in public. I know for a fact that there will be people that won't want to work with him or refuse to endorse him because of his beliefs.

[medman]

No idea who this Jon Tron is, but guaranteed he has a minuscule penis and an even more minuscule intellect. Typical of that type.

[Cussing]

I swear. I hate crap like this. Make your damn game and quit virtue signaling.

[medman]

It's their game, they can do what they want. When you make your own game, then your opinions will actually carry some weight. Until then, you're just another one screaming into the void.

[S-Word]

Love seeing all the people cancel their pre-orders now. Hope it flops & the company goes under.

[Helios86]

Ooooh! Aaha! So now it's ok to fire someone for saying "racist" things. But when it concerened Manweir "White tears (that means cum)" Heir it wasn't ok to fire him for his personal opinions, despite being VERY blatant whereas JonTron obviously fumbled with his wording.

[kakashi81]

What did he say?

[SaveFerris]

I read the article. Who or what is a JonTron?

[MadMax]

I'm pretty sure if he said he wanted to blow up the White House, because of a certain individual that's in it right now, he wouldn't have been let go. No time for double standard jerks!

[TargusX]

* pukes *with utter boredom on this topic. Who cares about slimey YouTube users?

[jambola]

Considering that youtube is one of the most used sites in the world
i'd say a lot

[capricasix]

Just be a decent human. Racism should rightfully be destroyed. Tackle the problems that cause racism first, then consider that they are social problems.

[NecoTehSergal]

That s pathetic.... so because he as a fucking political opinion THAT IS NOT FUCKING FAR-LEFT or Left at all - he gets castrated and punished for speaking out? It's exactly what Tim Allen said in an interview, in Hollywood, to be a conservative means you're openly, and knowingly going to get bullied - if you aren't assimilated and act like a Liberal, then you're attacked. You HAVE to be a Left-winger to be successful, you HAVE to suck the dick of Liberalism to go anywhere - if you have opposing views, you're reprimanded, punished, bullied, ostracized.

Fuck that, and Fuck this reinforcement of "ONE OF US! ONE OF US!" that Liberals are doing and pandering with, where you can't be conservative, can't be a centrist that 'happens' to not suck the Lefts' cock - or Republican without being shit on, backwoods-retarded world we have where we can't have different fucking political views -_- Moronic.

[game4funz]

What does personal view points have to do with the game?

I do not support yooka devs view points on this youtubers view points and actions towards him.

[iofhua]

I'm trying to find what he said that would merit being fired and I can't. His stance on immigration is correct. Illegals ARE over-running our country. Being conservative isn't a crime and certainly doesn't merit being fired!

If this was a conservative company firing a liberal for being liberal, there would be a mob of SJW's flooding these articles foaming at the mouth, but because it's a conservative being fired for being conservative all the snowflakes are okay with it.

This is just sad and pathetic. I wish Mr. Jafari the best in his future endeavors, and I certainly won't be buying or playing Yooka-Laylee now.

[desertpunk86]

The 1st amendment does not shield you from criticism or consequences!

one of hes tweets said that wealthy blacks are more likely to commit crimes than wealthy whites.

conservative aka republicans are more likely to be radical racist.

[Christopher]

You seem to know a lot of what he said, but miss the portions that likely got him in this position. Likely because you got your information from places that don't highlight the other things he said.

JonTron said, for example, that the West had solved discrimination (racism is solved) and also said that rich black people commit more crimes than whites (a racially focused statement without any numbers to back it up).

[MrBrofist]

Which is false! Discrimination is till around to this day!
Racial profiling is at a all time high.
Wrongful arrest/convictions are more apparent with people of color.
Alt-right lunatics are harassing black families at a children's birthday party with guns.
Muslims are automatically viewed as terrorist or enablers of terrorist
Gays are seen as morally bankrupt child groomers.
Women still dont get equal pay
Many still think anyone with a Latin sir name is a dirty Mexican illegal mooching off of taxpayers money.
I could go on.
Anyone who believes discrimination is a thing of the past is either in denial or just in their own little world

[Lightsbane]

People should be free to express their political views without fear of hurting their careers.

He didn't promote any sort of crime. He didn't slander anyone.
He simply shared his views regarding his country. Views that, ironically, happen to be shared by a lot of people.

To be honest, I don't agree with him in the slightest. His solutions are way too extreme for me.
But I would fight to the death to preserve his right to defend his stance...

[desertpunk86]

The 1st amendment does not shield you from criticism or consequences!

[Lightsbane]

I'm aware of that, and I would be the first to criticize his stance. But I don't want this to turn into an echo chamber where only my views are allowed, just because they happen to be "pc."

There's room for all rational human beings in this debate, as long as they aren't openly promoting hate crime. If he feels that extremism needs to be fought with extremism, by implementing ultra-aggressive immigration laws and such, then so be it.
He shouldn't lose a job (on in this case, recognition for services rendered) for it.

In short: even though my personal views probably align with those of Playtonic, I don't respect them more for "getting rid" of JonTron. I think I actually respect them less now...

[Christopher]

***People should be free to express their political views without fear of hurting their careers. ***

Privately, sure. But he did ask this publicly. People have every right to react to his viewpoints just as he has the right to make them known to the public.

[desertpunk86]

do we like to pretend that all game developers are white Americans? maybe fifteen years ago that could be a fact but now the gaming industry and developers are becoming more diverse,jontron lives in a bubble with all he's surroundings being white and didn't realize that hes comments are having a huge effect in hes career and the people hes involved with.i'm petty sure playtonic is diverse and to show respect to those minorities that work in playtonic and the fans of the game they had to distance themselves from jontron's views in race which were extreme and hes political views.jon needs to wake up and realize that not everyone is high on the trump stick.

[Protagonist]

Good!

[NeedleEye]

It would be completely reasonable decision to remove him from to game if he actually said something hateful and controversial, except that there was no hate in his words, quite the contrary in fact.

People on the internet made the controversy and the company reacted to that.

[Christopher]

"No hatred towards women, but they belong in the kitchen."

"I don't hate black people, I just don't think they should go to the same school as my kids."

Whew! Lesson learned, make a socially disparaging comment publicly, just make sure they know it's not from hatred, instead it's just a feeling of what you believe which makes it all okay.

[PizzaSteve]

Never watched a JonTron video. If he says those kind of things, Playtonic did the right thing?

[GrizToof]

God forbid if your stance on something is not the politically correct norm these days, you will get your life ruined and even the people that might agree with you are too scared to back you up. I don't even completely agree with what Jon Tron has said but he has the right to feel that way. I was never a fan of Jon Trons YouTube content, i honestly thought he sounded a little annoying but you won't see me starting a campaign to kick the guy off YouTube just because i don't like him or the shit he says.

[MrBrofist]

He may have the right to feel that way but that alone does not exempt him free of criticism
Don't get mad at Playtonic,Destiny or anyone else.
Jon is a grown damn man.
He needs to act like one and part of being a man is taking responsibility for the choices you make in life.
He made his choice and this is the aftermath of that choice

[Cartman55125]

They probably thought he may hurt the game's sales and publicity. Agree with what JonTron did or not, it makes sense as a business decision. Or the creators may have taken personal offense with what he said. Either way, their decision.

[JaninatorXd]

The thing is the way i understand, that the voiceacting is long done. Why not keep the voice and just put out a statement that they dont agree with his views? Its simple just 'firing' him kinda discriminating against certain believs. Esoecially if the work was already completed. Im sure jon is no rascist. Yes his statements in the debate sounded pretty bad... He made a statement though. Hes not ggod at debating and got lost in the heat of the moment. Also he cleared up what he tryed to say. Its just overreaction. He did not even say anything remotele extreme. He has just a diffeerent opinion than the left and if you do these says u r=nazi, fascist, bigot,blablabla