Is Sony's PSVR Doomed Heading Into 2017?

Sony themselves certainly isn’t talking about it much. Despite being more than happy to boast about how PS4 and PS4 Pro have now amassed over 50 million sales, they have yet to publicly comment on how many units PSVR has sold.

[-Foxtrot]

If it's not selling aswell as they thought then I hope they just man up, accept it and move on. Put it on the back burner so one day they can come back to it with better tech and try again.

I just don't want to see them waste time and money on it then force it out along with the PS5.

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

How much would anyone care to wager that Forbes makes another "PSVR is going to flop" article next week when Sony releases another shipment to retailers?

[naruga]

@ Foxtrot agree......i said it form the start PSVR is a very risky (toward to fail) gadget for the moment......Sony should never had invested/involved with VR generally and instead give these resources for game deals/development ...i hope they ditch it soon, move on with plethora of games and a gimmick free PS5, PSVR is only dragging them behind

[IamTylerDurden1]

It's funny that as soon as stock appears to be on the horizon and with the biggest VR game about to release we see these negative, bs articles. It's ridiculous bc PSVR has had massive shortages due to manufacturing problems with the RGB screens, it has been virtually unavailable since launch in America. If Sony was able to stock as many headsets as needed the sales numbers would've been twice what they are now. Demand was there, stock wasn't.

[sampson3121]

i knew it was a Forbes article when i read the title. lol

[badz149]

@-Foxtrot, @naruga

come on, how can you call it a failure when they are selling out almost everywhere. it's hard to find in stores and they got sold out as soon as they got restocked. most in Asia hasn't even get them yet! I know this because even the best game store here in my area has not been able to get their hands on it since launch! it seems like they are struggling to meet demand as it is and here you guys are, calling it a failure! here, it's not just PSVR, even the Pro is a hard catch! always sold out.

can we just wait until the device itself is readily available and collecting dust in store shelve and stock before calling it a failure? the PSVR and Pro both!

[Eonjay]

Right. We already know that they are having production issues which explains why there isn't any anywhere except for 2x or 3x the MSRP. There are none folks. Lets hope they can address these issues soon.

[Death]

Can someone point to an article where Sony says there are manufacturing problems holding back stock? It's pure speculation that is production problems. It very well could be Sony committing to a smaller number to keep them from sitting on shelves. VR overall is selling relatively slow. To expect Sony to sell much more is unfair.

[ServerBOT]

Their articles are cringe-worthy and pedantic.

[darthv72]

the current problem with VR is something I have been saying for awhile. It is to limiting in the delivery of the experience. Meaning that it is geared for a singular experience instead of allowing multiple people to play each with their own HMD on the same system.

Sony focused on making it work as the best individual experience when they should have dialed things back to make it work with multiple people at the same time (or at least two). Maybe couch co-op isnt as big a thing as it used to be but if an opportunity arose that created the need for two people to be in their own HMD experience but be playing on the same system in the same room then yeah... go for it.

It would be the next generation of split screen only with each person having their own dedicated screen. As it is I like how it works but it is just limited by design. Perhaps PSVR 2.0 will allow for more than one user at a time.

[MyDietEqualsGames]

Software is the problem. Let's see what follows after RE7 and also how RE7 is received for VR.

[Nicaragua]

How is VR different from all the other games which do not have split screen? Are they also limiting in the delivery of the experience?

Errrr no.

And to be honest i dont think there is a majority of PSVR users out there screaming for couch co-op. Those who want multiplayer interaction are more than catered for with Rigs, Battlezone and Valkyrie.

[FITSniper]

Current consoles and even most PCs even don't have the power to handle multiple VR headsets for multiple users. At least not in any kind of immersive, realistic experience.

[IamTylerDurden1]

PSVR is the MOST multiplayer centric VR HMD on the market. There are numerous asynchronous and regular multiplayer games. Playroom VR and Keep Talking Nobody Explodes have asynchronous multiplayer that allows multiple ppl to play on the same PS4. Battlezone has a co op campaign and games like Rigs, Eagle Flight, World War Toons, Holoball, and Eve Valkyrie are very multiplayer based. Werewolves Within allows a group of real ppl to be together, sitting next to each other chatting.

[rainslacker]

While an interesting outlook, it seems the monetary investment for having multiple VR's set up for co-op/multi-player is likely prohibitive at this point in time for the average consumer. It's not like just hooking up a 2nd controller.

Online could make this more feasible, but lag is an issue there, however there are a couple online MP experiences out there....which is probably the only practical way to do it for now for the average consumer.

Sadly, this is the first gen of VR. I'd imagine it's going to take time for it to get to where you have local MP, and I think that Sony focusing on the SP experience is likely more due to practical reasons than lack of interest in MP.

I do think something where you have on on screen display for some players, and one with the HMD as an opponent could lead to some interesting game play concepts. I now Nintendoland had a pretty cool hide and seek game which used the game pad for a private screen. I'm not sure if it's technically possible though with the hardware.

[PapaBop]

How is it supposed to sell well when they are no units to sell? Outside of the inflated prices thanks to scalpers, there are no units to buy from UK retailers at least. Also your suggestion wouldn't work at all.. not even with Sony's large fanbase could they get away with dropping support this early.. even though they won't but if they did, nobody would trust them anymore with these sort of tech pushing endeavours and why should they?

[TFJWM]

Yes exactly at the main US retailers it is still sold out as well

[spawnwavemedia]

Are they really that hard to get? I was just at my local Wal-Mart and they had a self full of them (probably like 6 or so total.)

Edit: went back by Walmart to double check. They currently have 2 left represented by dummy boxes out front. So yeah my Walmart seems to have them in stock. Picture below was taken while I was there just now.

http://m.imgur.com/enieJEK

[thorstein]

@spawn.... no they didn't. Walmart only has them through 3rd party retailers. All scalpers.

EDIT: Spawn.... Gamestop has dummy boxes too, doesn't mean they are in stock.

[Markusb33]

Exactly it's been out of stock since November in the uk. Same as the pro console. I think res evil and far point will deliver but stock in the uk is not arriving until February. Every store is taking name and deposits.it's too early to write this off yet and bs articles do not help. In fact it's what's wrong with this industry so much negativity and people thriving on negative views.

[gamer7804]

"accept it and PSMove on." fixed it!

[guyman]

I couldnt help but laugh, good one😂

[drunkenspy007]

It's sold out, how is it not selling as well as they thought? Where do you get such bad info? I hope not from forbes; their articles are 3rd rate at best.

[IamTylerDurden1]

It's not selling as well bc it was sold out for months and Sony was having trouble manufacturing the RGB screens so they were unable to restock. This is common knowledge and i feel like ppl like you are just trying to spread negativity. Everybody knows that demand was huge and that there were massive shortages. But it seems like stock is finally coming in, so sales can now presume.

[LOOK_AT_THIS_I]

@Cobra
I've been waiting since launch for someone to have them around me they have been sold out since.

Now with your assumption why can't Nintendo put out any more of the Nintendo classics? Supply was gone weeks before Christmas and it is still sold out. Hell you could make an emulator with more games, better specs and as many roms as you want with the home brew kits so it shouldn't be hard for a giant like Nintendo to create something as easy you could in your living room right?

[rainslacker]

@Cobra

It's not always so easy. It's a matter of sourcing.

I mean, demand was high before release, and you couldn't even preorder because those were sold out.

I do believe companies would do everything in their power to try and meet demand, but I don't think that was possible this time. At some point, they were able to get what they needed to make more, but it still takes time to manufacture and distribute, which is why things are trickling out now, and most of those are already sold too.

I do hope Sony gets going with it soon though. They could be using these shortages to try and drive up the hype, but they really aren't doing that. Which is why these doom articles are kind of off base. If they were having trouble selling them, or thought they would have more than they could sell, they certainly would be trying to increase demand through hype.

Of course, I wouldn't expect a financial focused site like Forbes to understand that, but it's pretty evident that there aren't problems with selling the system.

[generic-user-name]

The people saying this kinda thing are the same people who haven't tried PSVR for themselves. Playing the RE7 demo (the full game about to drop in a few days) is a jaw dropping moment.

[kenwonobi]

By your logic Microsoft who won't discuss their sales numbers lately will go out of business. Maybe they are just biding their time on PSVR numbers? I bet you are completely wrong like all other subjects.

[TheEnigma313]

Not sure where you live, but in America it's been sold out since launch. I haven't had a chance to get one.

[rainslacker]

It's been sold out since before launch. Pre-orders were even put into stages, where a lot of people were told they'd have to wait.

[1Victor]

So let me get this straight PSVR is a failure because
1 sold more than all the competition combined who had more than 6 months head start
2 is sold out
3 is having manufacturing problems
4 can't keep up with demand
This sound like someone have a agenda against the PSVR.

Isn't this site a Sony news site? /S
Where is all the Sony fanboys that allowed this to be approved /

[rainslacker]

I'd rather they do something to try and make it sell well before just giving up and putting it on the back burner.

Support is usually the reason something doesn't sell well, and I wouldn't want to see them give up just because they reached some hiccup. That's too much of a bad trend as it is in the industry, so I'd rather they do the right thing and support the device and the people who have it and are interested in getting one.

If they do everything they can, and it still fails, that's different, but in no world is just giving up the responsible thing to do for the customers, and with the investment involved, it's not very ethical towards the investors.

Companies have a responsibility to provide for what they offer.

That being said, Sony has sold out of what they've manufactured, and is having supply issues to get more into the stores. So I'd imagine, that they don't consider it a flop if there are people still actively looking for it. It doesn't really mean much that Sony hasn't said much about it's sales. It was never required they talk about them. People don't go around saying PS4 is doomed when Sony doesn't release numbers for a few months, so there's no reason for them to do it now. Sony could quite literally go the whole generation and never give out a PSVR number, and it means nothing.

[CorndogBurglar]

Im not sure the tech is the problem.

The only reason I havent bought one is because almost all the games are just quick 2 hour one and done experiences.

Put some full games out for it and I might consider. But these shoddy movie-like experiences are not worth the $400.

[Markusb33]

It's still out of stock in the uk till Feb and all the shops I go in have long lists with deposits. Can't speak for other countries, it's been the same with the pro, makes me wonder if this is why the slim sold so well on amazon as I didn't expect it to sell that great.

[Neonridr]

They don't want to comment because the numbers fall somewhere in the 1-2% range of the 50+ million install base.

I am surprised they wouldn't be more open though considering sales wise it has sold the most out of the big 3 in terms of VR headsets.

[DillyDilly]

How do you know how much it has sold since they wont release the numbers no one has the numbers besides Sony

[Neonridr]

estimates from various sites predict around 750K units sold of PSVR. Which would be about 1.5% of an install base of 50 million. (install base is in fact higher than that).

[freshslicepizza]

put it this way, if sony is not willing to release the numbers then odds are its not fantastic is it? psvr could be one of those things you have to constantly invest in to get over that hurdle of becoming a mainstream product because right not its very niche. which is not good because it needs software to survive and developers dont like to support niche products.

sony better hope oculus and thrive keep investing and pushing vr because sony cannot afford to lead the way for very long.

[kevnb]

I don't see that as a major victory, the pc market is split between two products and the Playstation camp only has one.

[Joe913]

It's hard to find them right now. It took my wife two weeks to find mine and I have never seen one in the store myself.

[Kribwalker]

@joe913

I know it's readily available in Canada. The bestbuys near me have it, as well, I searched on the ebgames website (Canadian GameStop) and this is the map I've gotten
https://s30.postimg.org/4ao...
It could be readily available here due to the shear price ($549 and $699) which is more expensive then the Pro here ($499) for the base model

[IamTylerDurden1]

In America and the UK it's been virtually unavailable since launch. Hence why the sales numbers aren't as high as they should be. Hence why it's selling for almost twice as much on Amazon and Ebay. If u can't find it on Amazon for retail prices then obviously there is a shortage.

Take a look below.

https://www.amazon.com/Play...

[jmc8888]

The others were out FAR earlier.

This thing has been scarce since launch due to supply problems and STILL overtook them in about two-three months.

[CrimsonPheonix]

I think I know whats actually going on. The PSVR had a few technical issues that I think Sony is trying to fix quietly to avoid there being a recall. 1 issue being the lenses are easily scratched up if you use they headset while wearing glasses. The other being the processor unit it comes with doesn't out put HDR which makes it a pain in the ass when you want to go back and forth between VR and traditional games.

[mcstorm]

I said from the start I did not think the PSVR was going to be a hit. I did not feel a buzz from people like when Kinect and the Wii was shown off.

I think Sony also messed up a bit making the PSVR for the PS4. I think on this one they would of been better following Microsoft path with it and wait a little longer to see what's happened or even teamed up with HTC/ others who have a VR head set to make it work with the console as the biggest issue with PSVR is it can only be used with the PS4 at this moment in time.

I also don't think most people want to use VR for gaming. Yes it adds to gaming esp fps/racing games but its not worth the price for a few ip's.

The biggest issue sony may now have is they put everything on the table for vr even making the ps4 pro and that has not quite come off for them and now Microsoft are about to put the next xbox against the pro which will have more power ect it could hurt Sony in the long run.

That said its still early day and you never know VR could pickup but for me its to expensive and the PSVR experience is the lower end to compered to PC which is where I see this type of tech selling better in the long run.

[Neonridr]

The HDR issue is going to be a huge pain. Unfortunately as a result I have to keep my PSVR completely unplugged and then when I want to use it I have to open up the TV stand and plug some damn wires in. Why they wouldn't think to include that when it released a month before the PS4 Pro is beyond me. It's not like they didn't forsee HDR being needed anytime soon.

That was their biggest oversight, but without an actual hardware change (ie replacing the box) I don't see how they can fix that.

[IamTylerDurden1]

What's going on is that Sony had problems making the RGB screens and hasn't been able to restock in America since launch. It simply hasn't been available, demand was there though. Hence why it's selling for such exorbitant prices on Amazon and Ebay. The $499 PSVR bundle is going for $900 to $1500 on Amazon right now. At the time i'm typing this the cheapest bundle on Amazon is $886.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/o...

[kevnb]

People hoarding psvr and trying to rip people off is not a sign of demand.

[DillyDilly]

So basically a said by yourself below any numbers out is a "prediction" & since Sony wont release the numbers its likely they sold less than "predicted"

[Neonridr]

yep, nothing is concrete here until someone gives us hard numbers. There has been speculation, but Sony isn't shy about throwing PS4 numbers around left right and center. So interesting that they are being so reserved about PSVR sales figures.

@Tyler - so you think Sony would be happy to proclaim that fact, considering any numbers they release would still be more than the competition (VR wise). Just because it's sold out doesn't mean that they can't say how many they have sold to this point.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Neonridr

Anyone with a brain would realize that Sony isn't giving numbers atm bc since launch there has been massive shortages due to manufacturing problems. Hence why PSVR is going for over $1000 ($900-$1500) on Amazon right now.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/o...

[rainslacker]

Sony doesn't throw out PS4 numbers left right and center. They announce significant milestone sales, and during special occassions, and most of the sales numbers reports come from their investors reports.

I agree, it's surprising that Sony didn't announce the launch numbers, but it's not a sign of failure. If a product sells more than you can manufacture, and retains demand after that, then it's about as successful as it's possible to be. The only failing will be if Sony can't get more out to retail while demand is high, because it can signficantly harm the chances that it will sell enough to maintain support.

Maybe they aren't announcing numbers because all they could produce is the 1-2% that you mentioned above, and they know that people will see something like 750K-1 million in sales and say how big of a flop it is, because some people won't accept actual supply constraints and factor that into the equation. That would give it the appearance that it's not doing well, which could lessen demand.

It's what these sites are trying to do now, because they think that journalism is making statements which ignore actual facts to make a proclamation to drive hits.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Why would they announce numbers now? PSVR hasn't been available in most places since launch so obviously sales numbers haven't increased much over the past two months. When stock is readily available again you will see the advertising ramp back up and sales will obviously increase.

[Dragonscale]

@neon, its sold out fgs. People can't buy them because of this. Sigh.

[rainslacker]

So, you're saying that Sony, with a shortage, isn't using that to try and build even more demand to make it successful? Shortages due to supply issues are a real thing. But Sony isn't hyping that up. I mean, it's widely reported that there are shortages, and many that pre-ordered haven't even received their units yet. Yet Sony isn't going on about how much in demand it is to drive up more demand.

Tell me....when in console history....has this ever happened?

Isn't it just possible, that Sony is selling all they can make, and is being quiet about it because they can't supply the demand, and want to wait until they can before they hype it up, or focus marketing on products they can actually sell for right now?

In what world is Sony being quiet during an actual supply and demand issue a good thing for Sony? They sunk a ton of money into R&D on this device. Why squander the oppurtunity that has presented itself?

Well, the only reason is because they can't meet demand, or they know the system is doing fine, and don't need to release numbers due to the supply issues.

Nothing, anywhere states that a company has to release it's sales numbers. Sony will probably say something in their yearly investor report as they do every year. In the mean time, some sites and people will just take the silence as PSVR is a total flop.

[ninsigma]

Personally hoping for some more compelling games to come out soon. I've had a blast with it and it's a damn good device but right now there's not much I want to play. I have battlezone to get through which is good but not as good as I thought it would be from the demo. Far point will hopefully be great and I look forward to that but that's only one game.

[Neonridr]

and we still have no clue when it's coming. Back when PSVR titles were being revealed this thing had a January release date in mind. I am going to be surprised if we see it before Summer at this rate. Sad because I really want that Aim Controller.

[ninsigma]

Yeah I'm hoping it's soon though. The aim controller looks and I'd love to see how it changes the experience! Other than that though there isn't anything I'm super excited for on it. Resi 7 is out soon but I'm not fussed on it and not something I wanna spend 70 euro on. Still do need to finish thumper and try out the xwing mission so I do have a few things to do on it but maybe by e3 if Sony haven't convinced me, I'll sell it. It would certainly recoup my money after likely buying the switch anyway xD

[Neonridr]

@ninsigma - yeah I have RE7 preordered. Can't wait to play through it in VR :P

[ninsigma]

I'd say it'll be fun but resi isn't a series I ever got into. If peopl think its good I might grab it, get a few people together and play through in one night or something taking it turns. Half the fun of horror games is watching other people wet themselves 😂

[morganfell]

I have been surprised by Here They Lie. Money well spent.

[ninsigma]

It's an interesting title but the demo did effect me in terms of motion sickness so I avoided that one.

[Petebloodyonion]

I actually hate the way you control the game and made me sick twice.
Was afraid that the control would be similar in resident evil 7.
I'm pleased to say it ain't so!

But I'm happy for you if you enjoyed the game, personally, my favorite remain Rush of Blood.

[isa_scout]

If you haven't already bought Werewolves Within I'd recommend it. It uses cross play between PC and PS4 users and is really fun, and a good way of building up a list of friends using PSVR which will be helpful when games like Star Trek Vr releases.

[jmc8888]

Werewolves Within is just good fun. Time flies, and a good relaxing game to drink to.

Star Trek VR looks great, and hopefully the extra four months they gave it for polish includes packing in more missions.

Less then two months to go now.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Have u played Arkham, Until Dawn, Rez Infinite, Tethered, Bound, Rigs, Thumper, I Expect You to Die, Eve Valkyrie, Job Sim? Those are undeniably good games. If you want a friends/family experience Keep Talking Nobody Explodes and Playroom VR are great games. I personally enjoyed Driveclub VR immensely as well. Robinson is pretty impressive on PS4 Pro. Eagle Flight, SuperHyperCube, and Headmaster are all supposed to be high quality games. I've heard good things about Lethal VR and Holoball as well.

Plenty of quality software already, but with games like Resident Evil 7, Dirt Rally, Farpoint, Golem, Starblood Arena, GT Sport, Ace Combat 7, and more coming to PSVR i'm pretty excited.

[DillyDilly]

All VR is doomed VR was not even a fad it was dead on arrival

[gangsta_red]

Not only does VR not have any compelling or stand out game(s) but the initial wow factor wears off quickly.

It was a hot fad for the moment and the Matrix like commercials were cute but right now at this stage it's just not sticking with a lot of people.

[PapaBop]

Resident Evil? Ace Combat? For the experience VR offers, both of those games stand out to me as something that would be mindblowingly awesome in VR, I hear great things about the add on EA done for Battlefront too.

[Neonridr]

problem is, how much can you play the one X-Wing mission before you are sick of it? Resident Evil 7 is going to be great no doubt, but then how long of a wait do you have until Ace Combat? Then how long after that? I mean you can't expect people who shelled out like $750 for this thing to be content with one game every 3 or 4 months to use it for.

[trooper_]

Are you seriously kidding me right now? Resident Evil is a very popular franchise. Gran Turismo is a well known series. Ace Combat is coming.

Stop jumping on the 'VR is doomed' articles and try it for yourself.

[Featuring_Dante]

How is he jumping on the bandwagon?
He's right, waiting 3 or 4 months for a cool game that uses the VR platform in a good way, doesn't sound good from a business standpoint to the consumer.
The only way to save it, is to make it like resident evil 7, have the VR mode as an optional feature across most games!

[trooper_]

It's easy to spell doom for VR when it hasn't been given a chance to branch out.

[gangsta_red]

How many chances are you waiting for VR to 'branch out"?

How long do we have to wait for the next popular franchise to appear on VR? What is the hot game right now for VR? Is the only way to play new RE or Ace Combat is through VR and if not then what's the point of getting VR?

The only bandwagon I see being peddled is the "VR is so kewl" one you and others keep pushing.

[trooper_]

gangsta, Sony *JUST* introduced the concept of VR to consoles. It will catch on eventually. Just because you think it's a fad or whatever, doesn't mean its a failure.

[xDealtwithIt]

@spectre

It will catch on eventually? When exactly? Especially with no must have games.

It's hilarious to see people telling others to stop with the doom and gloom and then say VR is the best, [eventually].

[trooper_]

@ Dealwithit

What do you mean it doesn't have must have games?

Resident Evil is a popular franchise. The Ace Combat series is well known. What did you expect from technology that was *JUST* introduced? You are not going to get thousands of games out the door. New technology takes time to develop a following.

You guys can disagree as much as you want but when Sony takes VR a step further, you're going to look incredibly ignorant for screaming 'failure'.

I'm done with this subject.

[WelkinCole]

Oh Gangster. You try too hard. PSVR players like me knew from the start there will not be as many PS4 VR games than regualr PS4 which is better that way. Like who the hell would want to play games in VR for 3hrs straight for a 8-50hrs regular games?.

PSVR was always going to be for a select few games and experiences where it makes sense to use VR and I doubt anyone was expecting it to replace playing games on a regular controller. Meaning its fine to get a few good games in VR which one would play once in a while regular PS4 games (the majority) like Horizon and Persona play on the regular controller.

It's not like there are not other functions for PSVR as well. I love watching movies on it.

for 500 USD which is less than I spend on a new phone every 18 months it is well worth the price.

You try too hard.

[xDealtwithIt]

"PS4 VR games than regualr PS4 which is better that way"

It's better that there aren't any real games for PSVR or as many, lol. And you're saying who is trying too hard?

Seriously, what type of defense is this?

"who the hell would want to play games in VR for 3hrs straight for a 8-50hrs regular games?."

Instead, pay 400 plus for a 20 minute demo experience, that's even better right? 😂

Then he wonders why most are not convinced about VR.

"love watching movies on it."

Wait, so instead of watching movies on my 60 inch plasma with surround sound with friends and family i can strap on a helmet and do the same?

Well that has definitely convinced me that VR is the future.

Maybe you should try a little less harder.

[Gazondaily]

Give it time breh! Once a killer app is revealed then shit gon get real.

#believe

[philm87]

If it's not selling well it's because there's not any stock. Can't get one anywhere in the UK until at least March.

[OB1Biker]

Do you have a link where its says March?
Ive seen news saying they should have it in stock in February and so Im hoping to get mine then.

OT It looks like the trolls are out in these comments.

[philm87]

Everywhere I looked said March, maybe Feb if you pre-ordered a while ago I guess. Can't remember exactly which places they were, but most didn't say anything. Just actually checked Tesco Direct and they say 16th Feb now, didn't say anything before.

[Neonridr]

man.. they are just sitting in stock here in Canada. Shame you couldn't just import one.

[ElementX]

I feel sorry for those who fell for the hype. They can tell themselves and others how awesome VR is but eventually they will have to admit it just isn't worth it, especially with Move controllers. I listen to a lot of podcasts on various topics and none of the gamer focused ones have mentioned VR in weeks, if not longer. I know one person who bought VR for PC and nobody who got it for PS4. It's dead.

[moegooner88]

" I know one person who bought VR for PC and nobody who got it for PS4. It's dead." I loled tbh, someone call the press, this guy doesn't know anyone who bought PS VR.

[Star51]

How fast do you guys expect AAA titles to come out for the thing? It launched 3 months ago. Impatient jerks. Wait til after e3 at least to start whimpering about no upcoming games.

[Yohshida]

Why would anyone want to make a vr AAA game? Most publishers dont even Support the switch, which will sell way more then vr.

[PizzaSteve]

Sony seems to be impatient too since they close down Guerrilla Cambridge.

[jmc8888]

@VideoGameLab

It's not as hard as it seems to make a VR game. If you start early in development you can basically make any game have an option for VR.

Supporting Switch is an entirely different platform. Having to code it for far, far less powerful tech then you were initially targeting. You are comparing apples to oranges.

Any AAA game can have a VR mode, you don't need it to be a separate game. Like play campaign in VR. Or have separate VR lobbies or a special mode for multiplayer. There are certain things you need to do early on, else all you can do is what CoD and Battlefront did... release free ad-hoc experiences.

[Neonridr]

meh.. I bought an Oculus Rift too. I am all aboard the VR hype train. Sure I probably didn't need to spend the money on PSVR (at least right from the start), but I have gotten some good use out of it (and plan to real soon again with RE7). But yes in terms of the entire package, having only one tracking camera plus relying on old Move controllers and colored lights as your tracking solution is far from ideal. At least compared to the offerings from Oculus and HTC. But at least Sony has some of its big franchises behind them, so that should help at least provide some compelling software... if it ever releases.

[ninsigma]

Why feel sorry?? Anyone who bought it got a great device that has had some amazing experiences on it.

[cfir]

Based on that logic the gaming industry is doomed as the majority of people I know haven't bought a PS4 or XBOX one. There's no games coming !!! Yeah, coz when a new platform releases there's always a steady stream of games being released every month from the get go. Oh, wait a minute that's not right is it.
You don't need to like VR, but everyone that I know who's tried it thinks it's great and really immersive.

[kevnb]

Maybe, it feels like Sony is already starting to pull the plug on it.

[_LarZen_]

Mine has been collecting dust. But that will change next week with Resident Evil 7. But where are all the games and experiences Sony was talking about?

Something need to happen soon to not lose momentum.

[Jayszen]

The hardware was released barely 3 months ago and Sony is going to drop support now? Sony chose not to make a song-and-dance about PSVR just because it is selling all it can manufacture, and with pre-orders selling out, what is the point of marketing when supplies are limited?

Sony had sold about 750,000 units when we last heard anything about numbers a few weeks ago, more than both Oculus Rift and the Vive put together. In fact, both these companies have been quite recently as well but we don't see articles about how the Rift or Vive are doomed and both have been out a lot longer than the PSVR and both have not sold as much.

The article reeks of wishful thinking and Forbes appears to be on a mission here considering how often they seem to worry about the PSVR.

[Neonridr]

Rift hasn't been quiet recently. Touch just launched in December and a slew of games came out for it.

That being said, Sony closing a studio that made one of the more compelling games (RIGS) is a bad sign already.

@Jayszen - All 3 games you mentioned look good, but spaced too far apart means dry spells. They need more content otherwise this thing will just collect dust for many.

[Jayszen]

@Neonridr

Games have been released for the PSVR as well since November. As for the closure of Guerilla Cambridge, Sony closed a studio, not a studio that only made PSVR games but had just made one PSVR game and is a branch to the main Guerilla studio in Amsterdam. If you look at their website today, you will see RIGS featured on the site. Sony also closed Evolution last year yet we saw the Driveclub VR still released in October.

The fact is that Sony has many studios there is no one studio that is just dedicated to VR, We are also just about to get Resident Evil 7, Ace Combat 7 and GT Sport this year, and only one of those is from a first-party studio.

[Petebloodyonion]

@jayszen
Sorry but Sony have a reputation of giving up easily because they have done so in the past.
- The e-Villa a computer that runs Beos and canned after 3 months
- The PSP go done after 2 years.
- The wonder Book an add-on that was supposed to have numerous games for it (they took 30 min at E3) got only 4 games.
- The Playstation 3D display, a product that removes split screen from local multiplayer games. only 7 games support it.

Also, the majority of the upcoming game for the system are from 3rd parties, independents studios and feature TBA as a release date.
wich bring me to my main concerns Where are Sony's 1st party AAA games?
Nintendo had no problem announcing 5 major games for the Switch from Nintendo (Zelda, Mario, Splatton2, Fire Emblem and Xenoblade) surely Sony could have announced a Uncharted Vr tale, Killzone Vr,etc.

[rainslacker]

Forbes has a long history of always being concerned about the failure of PS products due to sales, and that concern is usually based on their lack of knowledge of the actual sales.

It's what amounts to journalism for the site. At least for the crap blogs section of it. Forbes proper is usually better, but they rarely resort to editorial, and actually report facts in a way that's relevant to those who actually care about what they report.

Surprisingly, they aren't going on about how X1 is destined to fail due to MS lack of reporting numbers, but are quick to say how well it's doing when MS releases those occassional spin reports.

[PizzaSteve]

Yes it is. I don't think it's gonna be very profitable I mean Guerrilla Cambridge got closed quick cause RIGS didn't do so well. Sony won't continue putting money into something that won't profit. I hate for a Sony product to fail but it happens.

[ILostMyMind]

When was said that GC closed for not having sold Rigs well?

[QuickdrawMcgraw]

It is not easy for some to buy everything...I had to make a choice this year...A pro or a PSVR....I took the Pro...And will get the PSVR next year....

[Elda]

Good choice!

[rainslacker]

I brought a PS4P a few days ago because I couldn't find a PSVR. Decided to just get the PS4P for when I can get a PSVR, and for Horizon.

Got suckered in because I just wanted to spend money, and I have terrible impulse control.:)

[asmith2306]

Needs more games really. Resident Evil 7, new GT, new Ace Combat, Farpoint, etc. all look great. Hopefully it picks back up then because if games like that can't sell the VR gaming experience I don't know what will.

[C-H-E-F]

forbes needs to get 6itched slapped.

[2cents]

It is doomed only without new compelling software and experiences.

Keep the good games coming and people will keep buying. Simple.

[Petebloodyonion]

Amen to that!

[Nicaragua]

Man these "PSVR is doomed" articles really attract the stupid.

[FITSniper]

It was always going to be a niche product. Just like the PS4 Pro.

[Perjoss]

Sony's E3 presentation will show us how serious (or not) they are about supporting the PSVR.

[PGRfox]

Yup, just as I predicted and got slammed for on here.

[Elda]

Yesterday I did too,don't say what you honestly feel on here...if they don't agree you'll get crucified.Fanatics can be the worst.

[PGRfox]

I don't mind people bashing me, but I agree about the fanatics.

[Fishy Fingers]

"It's an overpriced fad that only appeals to the faithful hardcore" - PS fans in every Switch thread.

[Mr_Luke]

Uhm... Forbes... well, i don't really know how VR is going and for not i'm not interested in it. PSVR is a very nice tool, but it costs too much for me, for now. I think there are a lot of people in my situation: "Dmn, i really like it, but now i can't spend a fortune for an addon".
I'm not saying it's not worth it. If you ask me, i prefer keeping the money to get all the great games that come out (and even in that case i have to forget about some of them). And i have a "normal" financial situation, not rich but not poor :P
I just have to make wise choices about what to buy, i have a family too. And what if, a day, i buy PSVR and then it flops? Another reason i'm not getting one yet is because i want to see how it goes in the next years.
But it's just come out, how can they say it's already doomed?

[BizarroUltraman]

I think PSVR will be successful. Just give it time.

[KakashiHotake]

VR just isn't what people expected. At first I was thinking we would be able to have the option to play games like GTA, Final Fantasy, Titan Fall etc. In VR and not just some demo add-ons or mini games which have been the case. I think most people were expecting an accessory that would add to the experience, but instead PSVR is a full investment to something that's entirely different. I was very excited for PSVR when at first, but now I'm happy I waited. Until they can get it to the point where it's more Mobile, meaning cordless and have more accessibility I don't think it's worth it. Obviously if you're already invested your not trying to hear any of this, but it's not like nobody tried to warn you beforehand. That's just what you get for being a fanboy.

[Npugz7]

I'm a PS4 owner and I'm just about fed up with Sony!they are terrible at supporting peripherals and PlayStation network has been absolute garbage. I'm really thinking about picking up the Scorpio this year and heading back to Xbox if Sony can't shape up!

[Rude-ro]

?
Like Kinect?
The psn has been garbage? How so? I have had zero issues.

[Petebloodyonion]

I agree with peripheral but had no problem with PSN.

[alfcrippinjr]

you are so correct on this sony are going downhill bigtime and terrible supporting peripherals which they kill of too quick
but also microsoft are the worse too all they want to do is put a media system in our homes that it.
not for playing games but for streaming movies and radio
because they get a license fee of these companys

[Wallstreet37]

Its sold out almost everywhere but its doomed. They need more stock. My boy tried to get when in GameStop in Ohio and couldn't.

[0Day]

Yes

[Coreymac7]

Its not doomed. As long as people keep buying it, the games will come. Its a $500 Peripheral for a console that isn't required..... and it has sold almost a million units already. In addition, It's first year lineup is better than the Nintendo Switch's......

1) Batman: Arkham VR
2) EVE: Valkyrie
3) Until Dawn: Rush of Blood
4) Rez Infinite
5) Rigs
6) Thumper
7) Resident Evil 7
8) Gran Turismo Sport
9) DiRT Rally
10) Farpoint
11) Ace Combat 7

[Elda]

Give it a year or so & we'll see if Sony support remains. We'll see what Sony has to say about VR at E3 this year.

[GoGoGadge7]

I have heard NOTHING since it's launch.

I see no ads on TV. Or anywhere for that matter. I am on my PS4 every damn day/night and I have yet to be all "Holy shit I need that to play that game so bad!"

It's not happening for me.

[Derceto]

Nah, it was already doomed in 2016. This is just the fallout now.

[datriax]

The writing's on the wall, for those who can read anyways. Judging by the likes and dislikes ratio in the comments, it appears we have many blind believers. Not that it bothers me in the least. Everyone comes down to reality eventually. Sell it while it's still worth something.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I tried my PSVR once and put it back in box and haven't used it since. I knew going in I wasn't going to like it but me being the type of gamer I am I bought it anyway. VR is just a gimmick like motion controls. Gamers will ALWAYS prefer a couch keyboard/controller TV/monitor over VR.

[mogwaii]

Yes, yes itt is.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

Psvr has been a big disappointment for me and I was one of its biggest cheerleaders. The library is weak with no sign of any meaningful titles coming. The hardware is more affordable but not as good as the other non mobile hmds and I'm sorry but the base PS4 is just not powerful enough. The PS4 pro should be the minimum required and even then it's still not going to give you what a pc can give you (still better than the base PS4 tho). The biggest thing for me tho is the library of mostly crap, bite size pieces of throw away games. Cool for a few goes and then never touched again. Not worth it.

[XXanderXX]

Well back to the drawing board or they can asimalate someone else idea's as their while claiming it to be better or just scrap the whole thing . either way should be fun thing to follow an see how they go about correcting their mess..

[XXanderXX]

Guess some companies not rushing in to invest in the concept are looking real smart now . lol

[Silly gameAr]

I guess that some people hoping that VR fails because their favorite console doesn't have it are loving articles like this now. lol.

[XXanderXX]

not at all am long forward to all those 3rd party VR set coming w/W10 from Acer, Leveno ,HP, with MS help and look forward to seeing all of them use able with Scorpio .

[Petebloodyonion]

Or how about owners who are worried because Sony has yet to announce 1 major AAA game for a system that cost more than the ps4 itself?
if the Sega cd is a failure I don't want to know how we call the PSVR.

[rainslacker]

@Xander

Too bad that by the time that comes, all those companies that have invested in it will have dropped out because it's such a failure as per your original comment. Will be even more useless when that time comes. It's not like investors that are there, will continue to invest if it's such a bad thing worth of regret, and others breathe a sigh of relief they didn't invest in a flop

[Quicksand]

Let's continue to rip on switch, something no one has played. And praise Sony and PSVR which was DOA. And yes, I own ps vr.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

Didn't Phil spencer say he'd be in to it when vr wasn't a bunch game demos or something to that affect?

[Rude-ro]

Funny how a peripheral for Sony has more exclusives than an actual console for another company and it gets doomed articles.

[ILostMyMind]

lol

[PlatinumGX]

Sony would be smart to just drop this gimmick and focus on the PS4. It's already dead anyway.

[oONinjavitiSOo]

Wtf are you talking about "dead"?! Lol so many try hards on n4g.com lately. It came out in oct, has over 100 items for dl on psn and has pretty much been sold out everywhere. People on here might be as dumb as Pachter.

[sampson3121]

without even looking, this article has to be the sony hating forbes right?
I'll look now.......

yup. lol

[constantine_man]

Why do y'all get so defensive about PSVR? Sony is not one to hold back when their products are selling well. If its flying off the shelves, they'll let the public know that. Their silence is quite loud, to be honest.

Literally no one cared about VR before Sony hopped in the ring and now all of a sudden VR is hot shit? If PSVR is failing, who cares? Sony is still destroying its competition. VR could drop off of the face of the earth tomorrow and it wouldn't mean anything.

[oONinjavitiSOo]

Real question is why are you so defensive? Did VR kick your dog or something? As far as your closed minded comment.....there are millions of people interested in vr and just because you are not does not speak for all people.....thankfully.

[constantine_man]

How am I being defensive? I'm just pointing out basic facts. VR was treated as just a fad, especially on this site long before Sony threw their hand in the race, now saying anything negative about VR will get you hounded and down-voted. Now every time someone questions how well PSVR is doing, people get all defensive about why they haven't announced sales, even though we know for a fact Sony is never shy to talk about the sales of their products when its doing well. It's clear that VR is a fad.

[Petebloodyonion]

As a consumer who spent 800$ for one, I do care.
I don't expect to have the success of Ps4, Xbox, 3ds or alike but I expect support from the company who sold me the unit and some games.
Sega made games for the 32X and Sega cd and there are some great games on theses add-ons system.

I expect Sony to do the same, its called respecting your customer.

[GrimDragon]

How do you expect to sell anything without solid marketing and the games to back it up?

[DillyDilly]

The thing is VR is for people already with a PS4 the average family can not afford buying a $300 PS4 & on top of that VR & on top of that a proper TV if they get PS4 Pro. VR is gonna get left out in the dust it was bad timing releasing so close to a mid gen system followed by people also having to upgrade TVs for the best experience

[ILostMyMind]

I agree. Sony should also have released the PS VR fully compatible with the PCs. Even without content made by it people would gain confidence in the device.

[Petebloodyonion]

My main concern isn't with how the platform is selling, shortage and number.
It's Sony lack of commitment regarding AAA first party game for the PSVR.

Like I said in another post, Nintendo as yet to sell 1 Switch Unit but already they announced: Zelda, Mario, Splatton2, Fire Emblem Echoes, Xenoblade 2 plus remasters and new IP.

On the other hand, aside from Gt Sport, Sony has yet to announce one big AAA game for the device and are instead banking on 3rd parties like Capcom, Namco and others to sell us the PSVR.

[ILostMyMind]

It does not matter if Sony is personally producing the games, what matters is that it is encouraging the development of more games.

[Petebloodyonion]

Sorry, but it does! 3rd parties won't invest in a game to try to sell PSVR, they will invest in a game to make a profit.
AAA games cost money to produce that is why you see small time experience or games like Rocket league sold at 50$ on the system.

Already some 3rd parties are adopting a wait and see attitude on the Switch because they are not sure if the device will sells.

[memots]

Well that didn't take long for teh doom article to come out. lol

[Artemidorus]

It's not doomed but the hype is dying down and slowly less and less support.

Think like KINCET, but will be more popular

[Kingcorey13]

all i know is my psvr has plenty of games and we play it multiple times a week. its been out for 3 months and has outsold all the major competition.. calm down.

[ILostMyMind]

PS VR in three months has already more exclusive than XBO in its entire life. And some are still insist that the device goes bad.

[NotanotherReboot]

I said this would follow in the footsteps of Move and fail,yet I recieved nothing but disagrees and claims that I was a troll. Looks like I am right and therefore people need to start refering to me as the supreme prophet of N4G,showing me some respect

[Kingcorey13]

Explain how this has failed?? In 3 months it's outsold it's competition and released a shit load of games. You just want it to fail. It's crazy fun and selling just fine.

[NotanotherReboot]

They just closed a studio because their VR game under performed sales wise. Time to accept reality -- not virtual reality.

[KaZeDaRKWIND]

Was doomed from the start

[lunatic0001]

I don't regret my purchase..It been a great companion to my ps4 pro...With resident evil and farpoint on the horizon...We will see what the psvr is made of...Hopefully Sony backs this product well..Which as much as I love Sony...Has been known to abondon their products...We will see

[kenwonobi]

Whatever floats your boat. You know who else never announces anything? Microsoft. Guess Microsoft is gonna fold up shop too.

[kenwonobi]

It's sold out dumbasses.

[alfcrippinjr]

its only sold out as they limited the releases to make it look good
that what they do with all gaming and games systems

[Hardiman]

Have you heard of RE7 Biohazard or Far Point? Just the tip of the iceberg as far as games and high profile ones at that. This is just the beginning.

[Kingcorey13]

Haaaaa it's doomed??? It already has more exclusives then Xbox one... and is selling more then oculus and vibe combined. Get outta here

[DashArrivals]

LMAO, doomed? It's not doomed at all. It's just the beginning. Trust me. It's only a few months old. Honestly, VR is not replaceing gaming. It's just another way to have fun and play games. Resident Evil 7 will be so much fun in VR.

These stupid doom articles come up for EVERYTHING. Every single person (even the trolls) knows that on N4G. Relax. PSVR is fine. Geez.

[alfcrippinjr]

the technology is there and has always been there for a longtime but mainly for watching movies on the go
as for gaming it will never work out.
if this was going to take off we would had seen a very large amount of games released
but there is nothing and never will be.

this is a flop

[GuruStarr78]

Ok, I gotta say this. I have been a member on this site for 8 years, it's always been a pro-Sony community. I have accepted that. I also have had all three Xboxes and Every Nintendo system since NES, and even most of the Sega systems (minus The Master System and Dreamcast).

Before you jump the gun, I have owned (and LOVED) every Sony Console (usually at launch) PS1, 2, 3, 4, PSP and Vita.

But the amount of outright hatred I see for everything NON-Sony is terrible.

Now, I know the Nintendo Switches reveal presentation left a lot to be desired and I'm not happy with many of Nintendo's decisions, but whenever a Switch story comes up, it gets CONSISTENTLY bashed.

With that being said, here's my OPINION on PSVR:

PSVR is a great concept and does a great job of offering VR to non-pc, console owners. With that said, I think the writings on the wall for this, it's not looking so good, and I'll say that because VR is a niche, the industry has tried it before and we all know where that went. It sucks for the consumer who wants to believe in it, and as a Pro-Video game person, I'm sad that it's not looking good. Hopefully I'm wrong.

[DashArrivals]

First of all, I'd really appreciate it if you'd shut up.
Secondly, the PS4 has more than double the amount of sales when compared to the Xbox One. Surely it would be reasonable to assume, that N4G and the wider gaming community has more than double the amount of Sony trolls when compared to it's nearest competition, the Xbox One.
It's the only LOGICAL explanation. Any other deduction someone could possibly come to is totally flawed and ridiculous. "But the amount of hatred I see" - gamer please.

[SCW1982]

Cant stand when forbes tries to cover this industry.

[zodiac909]

Is it that time of the month for Negativity 4 Gamers to be pessimists already?

[TheRacingX]

As with any game system/accessory its success depends on the quality and quantity of software.....PSVR will succeed with quality gaming experiences that make you want to have one, that your friends see and try and want it. Great word of mouth is the best advertising. Tech demos, short add on bits, little bite size games are not going to cut it. Sure, X-wing VR mission was sweet, but its 20 min long. I understand it was free ( or part of a DLC ) but when that is one of the most talked about parts of your launch line up, you need to re evaluate your games strategy. To make PSVR a must have, Sony need to announce games that gamers HAVE to Have for it and it will sell and be viable. I really like my PSVR, I needed to get over the initial motion sickness early on but Driveclub VR, Gunjack, Until Dawn RoB, and the aforementioned Star Wars X-wing are fun.....there does need to be more though....

[InTheLab]

I have yet to see a psvr anywhere in retail. Maybe that's the issue? Where tf are they hiding?

[GamerGT]

Sony laid everything out on the line in terms of hardware last quarter. PS4 SLIM, PSVR, and PS4 Pro. Customers had a wide range of choice this holiday. But now that the hardware is out Sony can focus on the software to include VR software. Software in general will sell the hardware if consumers are interested in VR at all.

[DanteVFenris666]

Fuck this

I thought it said doom is comming to vr at first glance

[il-JumperMT]

PSVR is so doomed that there is a supply problem.

[SynestheticRoar]

Hits anyone.

[Master of Unlocking]

What the hell is wrong with Forbes? EACH and EVERY time I see a Forbes article on N4G it's trying to find out if there wouldn't be by any chance something negative to say about Sony and the Playstation, I swear, every time! And on a side note, for some reason, whenever I wanna click the link to try and make sense of all that FUD they're constantly spewing, the article is missing... Go figure. Anyone else having the same problem? That said, it's probably better this way, as I've given up clicking the link, so they don't get any clicks from me anymore.
Anyway, on topic, Sony released the PS VR in October of last year, put like this it may sound like a long time ago if you're coming from another planet, but the fact is that it's been only a little over 3 months since its inception! Who publishes sales data this early? What makes Forbes think Sony should go out of their way, or any corporate business's way for that matter, to give THEM of all publications a detailed account of what they sold?