Nintendo Switch will have Paid Online Multiplayer Starting Fall 2017

Today at the Nintendo Switch reveal event Nintendo president Tatsumi Kimishima revealed extensive plans for the online multiplayer services of the new cons

[CBOAT]

Great, another subscription.

[GtR35olution]

why would people pay for a rubbish online service on nes switch. this console is rubbish. no third party support means this thing will fizzle out fast before holiday season this year . why would people want a $300 switch when days before the console launch they can buy a ps4 for 300 with horizon zero dawn that looks way better than zelda breath of the wild. to each his own. zelda looks good but the game and the switch console are way behind the times

[blackblades]

Well actually it does have 3rd party support from Namco and square so far.
Hey look even more, capcom and arksys.

[Moonman]

Zelda is looking like GOTY.

And I get to play both while you grumble. I'll let you know which game is better if reviews won't tell you.

[CBOAT]

Basically have to pay fee to play Splatoon alrighty then.

[LOL_WUT]

Oh man I can't wait to see the excuses people will make when they realize Nintendo is also going to start charging for online. ;)

[bouzebbal]

This is the subscription I will never get, and probably the console I never own. Especially if it's to play 3 online games.

[Irishguy95]

Zelda looks better than Horizon imo

Nintendo have a better record for quality games than GG for sure too. Especially Zelda

Wow, did you just call Zelda behind the times? In what way? Please tell me in what way? If any one here can seriously look at the new Zelda trailer and see something wrong with it I will seriously doubt their integrity as a lifeform and just label them some bot roaming the internet wanking to Sony/MS. Its literally one of the best looking games in years, the gameplay mechanics look great and modern perhaps better than most games that do sword combat, bow, horse etc etc. And this is coming from someone who has skipped almost everything nintendo for the last 5-10 years. Xenoblade (wii) exception

[RosweeSon]

I look forward to seeing you playing Horizon on the Bus with your curved 4K set up.

[Huguinho]

Just dont buy it, stick with your prefered console, games and service buddy, nobody is making you buy it, does it botter you that a lot of ppl are going to buy it or what?

[starchild]

"a ps4 for 300 with horizon zero dawn that looks way better than zelda breath of the wild. to each his own. zelda looks good but the game and the switch console are way behind the times"

How does it look better? In graphics? I game on a good PC and enjoy some of the highest end visuals but even I know there's a whole lot more to a game than how good it looks. I thought Zelda looked really really good. I don't see how you can say it's behind the times in anything but it's graphics, and even then it still looked artistically beautiful and visually appealing.

[bluefox755]

@Rose I don't want to play it on the bus, I don't want to play Nintendo games on the stupid bus either. All I wanted was a regular Nintendo console with a regular controller that plays games on my TV, with enough power to attract 3rd party support. Screw Nintendo and their gimmicks, they're seriously even trying to push motion controls again? They will never learn.

[hirobrotagonist]

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[Gazondaily]

If it's going to be paid then it might actually not be rubbish anymore.

Look at psn with the ps3 when it was free and compare it to what it is now.

I'm all for it IF the online system is good

[rocketpanda]

Stop making stupid assumptions based on some bias. Yeah another subscription sucks but you have no idea how the service will operate on the Switch, unless you want to make another assumption.

Personally I can't be arsed paying for another subscription. If the console proves to be successful and builds up a good library of first and third party titles then I might pick it up.

[XisThatKid]

Wii U had 3rd party support untill investors realized it was dead ground. Also can anyone tell me if it will have FN friend codes still?

[morganfell]

It isn't about the paid online. Its about the games. If the games are there, paid online, power, all that other stuff goes out the window. Now I will say if the games are the same ones on PS4 and And Xbox then they are in trouble. They need exclusives and a lot of them. They have a ton of IPs besides another Mario and another Zelda that were not used on the Wii or Wii U. But Nintendo has shown themselves to be completely risk averse when it comes to software.

[PurpHerbison]

"Zelda looks better than Horizon imo"

You can argue the art style is better, sure, but overall, no. And this is coming from someone with zero bias as I have no interest in either title. Zelda looks great from a certain distance but good lord, 2017 and still no AA?

[Irishguy95]

Que the Sony and MS fanboys to bitch about something they've supported in waves. Nobody has any place moaning about nintendo FINALLY jumping onto a trend MS started and Sony happily jumped aboard. Nintendo are the last ones to get in on it.

Let me call on the old Sony fan excuse

"oooh but it'll go directly into quality of online service"
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photo...

Seriously, this thread is going to be the most hypocritical n4g thread yet.

[Veneno]

Sony at least upped the ante by giving out free games to 3 platforms for a subscription that works for 3 platforms with one price. You really think Nintendo do anything competitive with their service? Yeah, didn't think so. ...

The fact that Nintendo wouldn't even tell what features the online subscription

will have other than you will be charged for it should worry you.

[Kaneki-Ken]

Are you smoking something? Horizon look way better than the legend of Zelda and that sound like a typical fanboy. But I can say The Legend of Zelda won in gameplay. In the end both are unique games, we can't tell if they are great games until we play it which may turn out to be amazing after all. Hoping The Legend of Zelda: B correct everything wrong with SkySword.

[ABizzel1]

Well when this paid online service sounds like complete BS, then yes those fanboys have every right to bash Nintendo for this.

http://www.nintendo.com/swi...

1 free NES / SNES game per month, with an monthly expiration date to play it.

And how their voice chat reads, makes it seem like you have to have another device to use the feature. If that's true this is the biggest fail of 2017 in gaming just 2 weeks into the year.

[EddieNX]

Horizon better than Zelda. Lol@kenekiken

[FunAndGun]

wow @ ABizzel1, that link....

You actually have to pay for a sub to use an app on your phone...silly.

[starchild]

I think it was inevitable they would eventually all do it. No company is going to sit there with a walled garden ecosystem and not try to monetize it in that way.

But, yeah, there's going to be a lot of hypocrisy and double standards flying around here as usual, you're right about that.

[Wallstreet37]

Switch presentation was weak and of course Nintendo hiding specs because its last gen hardware at a premium price.

Fans have a right to complain about online pay play wtf are you to say other wise? I've seen ppl.complain about Microsoft and Sony and I saw Nintendo fans gloatbabout not having to pay, now eat crow. You'll get once again the worse online features but pay for it and receive cool SNES games.

Boy some of you fanatics try so hard to defend mediocrity and your console of choice lol its sad than have the nerve to use words like "hypocrite" lol

[bluefox755]

Que the Nintendo fanboys who are suddenly OK doing something they've always bragged about not doing.

[rocketpanda]

Doesn't help fueling the obvious!

[Protagonist]

@Irishguy95

if any one are being hypocritical, it i as usual the nintendrones. They always argued how "shitty" it was to charge for online gaming and it was free on the Wii U.

[JunMei]

What do you expect? This place is blind Sony Pony central.

At Veneno. No they didn't those games are rentals. You don't get to keep them. So, they do not offer free games at all. They are offering a paid rental service.

For the record, I disagree with Nintendo locking multiplayer behind a paywall. It's totally BS. Wii U's multiplayer worked just fine. If it's half the price of Sony's I might consider it. If not... I'm not bothering with online multiplayer. Which is totally lame, because I loved playing Splatoon online.

[Deathdeliverer]

The download one Nes or Super Nes game with added online play (which sounds cool as hell depending on the game!) and play it for a month (wtf....) sounds incredibly disappointing. The whole control the online through a smart phone app stuff is sounding like a joke as well. I'm still optimistic though. We also don't know the price point of the online. Could they justify a price equal to PSN or XBL? Not from the sound of things. But what if it's Half the price? Like $25 for a year? I'd be down for that. Plus they said they are working things out so it will be like a beta. The real deal starts when payment starts.

[rainslacker]

Yeah, the time limit makes it hard to be excited for it. Would love to have some NES and SNES games to play on the system from time to time, but having to get to it right away just distracts from what I may prefer to play at any given time. I still have PS3 and PSP games on PS+ from before this gen started that I haven't even gotten around to playing, despite knowing that I'd like to get to them one day when the mood strikes me.

[Perjoss]

Thanks Microsoft

[nowitzki2004]

This sub better allow me to play my Switch online anywhere or Im not getting a switch.

[badz149]

with the tablet not including any 4G capabilities from the rumors, better keep your hopes down for now.

[lodossrage]

Well, Microsoft started a trend.

I wish Sony and Nintendo didn't follow it. But if you're a business and you saw your competition doing it and the customers for the most part accepting it, you'd do it too. So I didn't blame Sony for it and I don't blame Nintendo for it now. Why should the competition get money for it and you don't right?

Still wish both Sony and Nintendo were free online from a customer stand point, but I understand. But one thing they better realize now is that there are no excuses now. No right to say "please understand" on anything about that online service since you're making the customers pay now.

[aconnellan]

So wait... Microsoft is evil for doing it, but neither Sony or Nintendo are evil for both doing it?

They're all doing the exact same thing, so either they're all wrong for doing it or they're all in the clear because even though you disagree they're still all doing it. There's no in between.

[lodossrage]

@aconnellan,

Where do you see me saying microsoft is "evil" All I said was they started a trend. Don't put words in my mouth please lol.

Edit- @aconnellan

It's ok man. I've been known to jump the gun at times like that too so I get it.

I'm a Sony fan yeah, but that doesn't mean I don't see when they do something stupid or when the competitors have something good on their hands.

[aconnellan]

Gah you're absolutely right, sorry about that. That's the general sentiment floating around whenever I see anyone bring up pay-to-play online services, so I assumed your stance was the same and made an ass out of myself!

[RosweeSon]

Maybe something to do with Microsoft doing this for 10 years previous to the others charging for it.

[nitus10]

I do think you should be using the words "Pay to Play online".

Having a PS+ or XBox Live account does let you play online providing the game you are playing has an online capability but that is not all what these services offer you.

I will use PS+ as an example but XBox Live similar features.

With my PS+ account, I do have access to online gaming, that's a given. In addition, I get two or more free games a month that are mine to play (actually renting is probably a better word) on multiple PS3/PS4 and Vita machines for the life of my subscription, also I can get considerable discounts on digitally downloaded games which I can personally keep for the life of the PSN store or the life of my console(s).

Some of the games that have been offered at greatly reduced prices are AAA games as well as Indies which can be quite good (this is subjective) although you probably never would have played them if you had to purchase them at full price.

Taking all of the above into account I do see considerable value in having a PS+ subscription. Other people views may differ and that is to be expected.

BTW. Let's not get into an argument on the quality of the free games or even the types of games that are offered at discount, since the best games are the ones you like not what other people like.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Not necessarily Microsoft actually never started subscription-based gaming MMOs did that far before Microsoft ever entered the market you have to understand that you're asking for a company to pay for a bunch of servers to have a service but you also don't want to pay for its maintenance.

You also have to understand that Nintendo Microsoft and Sony also still need to pay for the servers of their own titles as well

You could comment on something like steam but steam does not actually house the servers of those titles other than their own

Because they PC can act as its own server most times on PC you're able to have different users hosts, that's something that as of right now can't really be done with console.

Mind you no one's really forcing consumers to pay anything you simply only pay if you wish to actually play multiplayer titles anyway no different than you would have been paying to play something like Final Fantasy 14

[lodossrage]

@EDMIX

I meant starting a trend of having a paid service on Home systems. Not that they started the general idea of subscription based gaming. Maybe I should have just worded it better

[_-EDMIX-_]

@lodo- I mean sure I completely understand what you mean, but you have to understand that regardless of where the game is going to be played whether it be handheld console or PC is server still actually exist the house the actual game or service..

So I don't believe Microsoft created the trend of actually paying for a server.

Regardless of where the device is going to be used I'm pretty positive Nintendo and Sony were inevitably going to have to come up with a way to paying for the service to be maintained like any other company would so I don't really believe it mattered whether or not it was on Console or portable, it simply matters that is server was going to exist that would have to be maintained.

I did get what you meant though

[Outside_ofthe_Box]

Oh well. People were mute when MS did it, mute when Sony did and will be mute when Ninty does it.

Can't take a stand now. Wii U had free online, yet sold poorly. PS3 had free online, yet sales difference of PS360 wasn't huge at all.

I wonder if Ninty will offer free games every month at least.

[lodossrage]

@Outside

They said people would get free NES and SNES games monthly.

I know some people will like that. But to me personally, that's a load of crap.

They need to make the same kind of deals sony and microsoft do for free games. Offering old 8 bit and 16 bit games that predate the 32 bit era isn't cutting it for me personally. Especially since you can get roms and emulators free

[rainslacker]

Im at the point where it's just what it is. Complaining about it isn't going to change anything.

not that I'm really for the idea. Was never too keen about MS doing it, Sony I thought were taking the wrong direction, but wasn't upset because the free games up to that point were good, and with Nintendo, I really couldn't care less. Online gaming on a Nintendo system would be something I'd probably never do. Nintendo for me is purely about their SP games which I do enjoy.

[Vegamyster]

Was hoping they'd keep online free, hopefully it's not priced stupidly.

[Vhampir]

It'll be $100 year, but you get 1 free nes or snes game a month, no not the metroid, zelda, earthbound/mother, paperboy, castlevania(maybe simon's quest) or other classic you were thinking about. Woohoo! /s

Splatoon 2 would have to be leagues better than the first one to be worth paying a subscription for. As I don't see any other multiplayer games i'd be interested in. This is like a nail in the switch's coffin to me. Wii U LoZ:BotW in 4k on Cemu seem like the better option, imo.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Thanks Microsoft.

[blackblades]

Well, it was bound to happen anyways without ms doing it 1st. Like @Intentions said down below businesse is business.

[ColonelHugh]

I think you meant to say 'Obama'.

[badz149]

it's thanks Trump now

[starchild]

That's like saying we have online gaming thanks to Microsoft. In fact, Microsoft did not invent online gaming nor subscription-based gaming services.

Just because Microsoft was the first console maker to really embrace online gaming as we know it and the first to also charge for it doesn't mean they invented it.

Online gaming on consoles was inevitable. And because it was inevitable it was also inevitable that the platform holders would eventually charge for it. Over time the services would improve and would gradually cost these companies more money to maintain, and at the same time they would also become aware of the huge business opportunity it respresents.

You're being very naive if you believe that if Microsoft had never got into gaming that Sony and Nintendo would have services like they do today and not be charging for them.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Please be less than $40

[Darkfist_Flames]

LOL

[LOL_WUT]

LOL now you want to pay? ;)

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

I payed for PS+ back in 2014. I have no problem paying as long as it worth it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

So first you beg for zero subscription and then you're begging for a lower price?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

I'm hoping Nintendo will see the outrage and change their minds, after seeing no one playing their online games and few if any gamers signing up for their subscription service.

I can't blame him for wanting a super cheap price, but as for myself, I'm sticking to what I've said before.
Just like with the PS4, I won't pay a secondary fee just to play with friends. On any system, Switch included.
It will take someone paying FOR me, to get me on board for that.

I doubt anyone has an argument to convince me why I SHOULD pay, either.

Also, someone needs to fire that weak-ass translator from later on in the presentation.
The idiot sounded either half asleep or DRUNK!XD

[_-EDMIX-_]

@wonder- come on bud, if you don't want to pay for online no one's forcing you to but this company still needs to play catch-up with their competitors and I don't think they're going to be able to do that if they're not able to roll out features and fixes in time because of server cost.

Mind you I'm watching the reveal right now and I don't hear them saying you have to pay to connect to Wi-Fi or lan so Something tells me just like their previous handhelds people could just play together face-to-face on the games they own.

But if you feel like playing against someone online you clearly have to pay for their subscription service and I honestly don't see anything wrong with that.

I'm sorry but PlayStation Network being free back in the day was not the norm it was actually quite strange if you consider most services in which they have the product or service on a server charge a monthly fee for maintenance.

Mind you, that is for most companies and services regardless of Gaming.

As PlayStation Network grew I just did not see Sony not having a paid subscription simply because they still have to keep up for the rising cost of their infrastructure

That's Life.

I think it's better that they're able to grow and the quality is able to rise much faster as opposed to everyone having poor quality for free.

Think of this as Nintendo being able to have a stronger infrastructure much faster than if they always kept it for free because they have a lot of catch-up to do.

[ABizzel1]

With the feature set it better be less than $20

http://www.nintendo.com/swi...

I went from hyped for Switch Day 1 to, if my BF wasn't getting it Day 1 then I'd be 2018 at the earliest.

The $299 price (I can easily afford, but the price : performance is just awful), lack of western support, rubbish paid online, and no mention of Virtual Console, best of Wii U ports, lack of full launch game list, etc... put Switch on the back burner for me.

Nintendo's first party looks great, but they dropped the ball big time with this reveal. They are just completely clueless when it comes to the western market. Best of luck Nintendo.

[pcz]

@wonderfulmonkeyman - i told you nintendo would build a pay wall

[Intentions]

Business is business

[UCForce]

But this one doesn't handle pretty well like other.

[FallenAngel1984]

Nintendo Network doesn't have the quality that deserves a subscription

[TripleCs]

Nintendo is insane to be charging consumers for online coming off of the trainwreck that was the Wii U. Right now they are really in NO position to be pulling stunts like this..

[_-EDMIX-_]

I don't know.

part of me feels that maybe they should have made it free so they could get a respectable install base but another part of me feels that maybe if they want the quality they should charge so that way they're able to catch up to Sony and Microsoft a bit faster in regards to demands.

I would have to see how the infrastructure actually works and is designed before really making a comment in terms of whether or not it's deserving to be charged if that's just hard to say at this moment right now I haven't used it to really say.

[Omnislashver36]

That's what I'm thinking. I'll buy one but no network subscription for me. Yeah, that means no Splatoon online but seriously, I have a PS4 for online games.

[_-EDMIX-_]

That's what's extremely difficult for something like this because it is a portable regardless of how many times they keep using the word Home console at the end of the day they did not try to just suddenly ignore that this thing can be picked up and taken on the go

I don't really see me playing online with lots of people considering the only thing I really did with my 3DS was play Animal Crossing with my friends but most of the time we were face-to-face I actually never played Animal Crossing on 3DS with anyone online it was always just a game I played with my group of friends.

I don't see me playing Mario Kart or Animal Crossing with strangers I see it's more likely I'll be playing with my personal group of friends like I always do with these games so if the Lan connection through Wi-Fi is free like the previous handhelds I actually see me just using it that way ..

I'm not entirely sure I'm going to pay for the online because I just don't really see me playing any of their games with strangers.

[Veneno]

It would only be worth it to me if I would get 2 classic Nintendo games every month as part of the service

[rjason12]

Well hopefully DeNa has been helping them buff it up. I don't care what anyone says, but the online on the Wii U and 3DS (obviously not the greatest) were wayyyyyy better than the Wii and DS. I'm not happy myself having to pay for online, but luckily, they still believe in having offline for multiplayer in their games as well. Splatoon 2 is upping it's local multiplayer to play like online, which is great!

[Tetsujin]

The idea of free online at the start then a paid sub towards the end of the year does raise a big concern for me. I already don't like the idea of paying for PS+ for online gaming, now Nintendo wants to jump on the bandwagon. I hope Nintendo still keeps their games as Single Player first, and not have multiplayer just to boost their network for sales. I already don't plan on using their network anyways since I don't know many Nintendo fans, and I do want to try out the new Zelda game.

[MasterCornholio]

I don't really like this but I mostly play single player games which is something that Nintendo produces alot of.

[Yohshida]

The real question is Voicechat. Did they say you have to connect via a smart device? Like FREAKING CALLING YOUR BUDDY???

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

They also mentioned a limited app available for download later. I assume that app will be on the Switch itself, or that it will otherwise connect to your console Friend's List.

[Yohshida]

So the app is only available for subs to the online service, here is a pic:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media...

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Yeah, just like other online subscriptions.
Ones which I don't pay for, either.

[FallenAngel1984]

@ wonder

Party chat & voice chat isn't locked behind a subscription on PSN

[Goldby]

or locked onto your smart phone... or doesnt have a fee to down load the psn messager app.

This is nothign like PSN or XBL. once again, Nintendo dun goofed it up HHHHHARD

[majiebeast]

Oh man 300$ and a subscription for Nintendo bork online network and you get to loan a nes or snes game for a month. WHAHAHAHAHA

[Blu3_Berry]

This is the stupidest idea Nintendo. Unless you prove that you have fantastic online functionality like PSN and Xbox Live, this is gonna fail hard. Nobody is going to want to pay for online if they don't have the software and apps to back it up. There better be benefits and a decent online infrastructure. If not, then this is gonna fall flat on its face.

[persona4chie]

Well that's probably why they'll be giving people a free trial for the better part of half the year, so that people will be able to use it and try it out. Until Nintendo shows it in action or people try it, we have no reason to believe it will be the same infrastructure as was on the Wii U. It will likely have dedicated servers, hence the paid service.

[ABizzel1]

http://www.nintendo.com/swi...

That's the service. Garbage.

[crazychris4124]

What a bunch of crap. We shouldn't have to pay to unlock multiplayer on any of the consoles. We already paid for the game and internet. This trend has to stop.

[FunAndGun]

The time for that was when Xbox Live started charging. Gamers should have stopped it then. I didn't support it, but too many did. It is never going away.

[Irishguy95]

Far to late to start moaning about it. Far far to late.

[Veneno]

That's not going to happen . But what can be done is demanding quality service if it is being paid for.

[rjason12]

Luckily Nintendo are kings at local multiplayer, so it's not like it's all locked behind the subscription.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

I wasn't very impressed tbh. Graphics looks pretty much like Wii U and not as good as X1. I'm going to get it but I'm not expecting much. And who in their right mind would pay for online service from Nintendo?

[Summons75]

Well depends on what they are doing with it. Also small child, graphics don't make the game...gameplay does so cry more please. All the games looked great.

[BLKxSEPTEMBER]

do me a favor a NEVER respond to my post again...

[Veneno]

ARMS was game of the show for me.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I expected graphically it wasn't going to be anything like PlayStation 4 considering all the leaks of the specs but I agree regarding the online I don't think I'm going to pay for it considering I'm always playing face-to-face with my friends anyway and I don't really see that changing.

[persona4chie]

What games are you referring to that don't look as good as Xbox one games? Outside of Steep, 2K18, and FIFA, the rest have artstyles that are for the most part vastly different than what's being offered on Xbone/PS4. While true the System isn't on the level of aforementioned system, it's not on the level of Wii U. And until we see the New infrastructure of Nintendo's online service and how it functions, I really don't see the reason to complain. While it likely won't be, there new service COULD be better than Sony or Microsoft's for all we know.

[Summons75]

Someone's mad about the truth lol

[rjason12]

Oooooo look at the internet tough guy!

[Darkfist_Flames]

LOL, i remmeber when nintendo fanboys said that nintendo will never let you pay for online multiplayer, cant wait to see their excuse xD

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

What excuse?
I just won't pay.
Neither will millions of others.
And when Nintendo sees no one playing their online games, they'll either drop the fee till it's almost nothing, get rid of the fee entirely, or deal with the failure of any online games they make.

[persona4chie]

Why wouldn't people pay? We have not seen Nintendo's new Online infrastructure. There's a 50% chance it'll be good, 50% it won't. But until we see, we have no reason to bitch about it. At least they're giving people roughly six months free to try it out and work on any issues. After that period, if it sucks, then people won't pay for it. Simple as that. Shit, I don't even pay for PS Plus to play online, hell I barely pay for the discounted and free games. Those are nice, but so is the cloud storage perk.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Because that happened with PlayStation 4?

Those that won't pay for the service simply won't get the service...

I'm sorry but we've already heard this before and we have a perfect example from PlayStation 3 to PlayStation 4 to show that it doesn't really work that way.

[Irishguy95]

I remember when Sony fanboys said that

[FunAndGun]

I remember when Xbox fanboys said that.....oh no I don't, because they happily paid for it and brought the sickness to all the consoles.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Just FYI, I didn't pay for PSN on PS3, or PS2, and it didn't even include multiplayer in the paywall back then.
I won't pay for it on PS4, either, so you can count me out of that camp.
Unless someone pays for me or someone offers an insanely compelling argument, paid online multiplayer is not something I'll participate in.

[jaymacx]

If Nintendo gives us the same service as the Other Big 3 I can logically accept paying. but if its the same as it was before I say NO. Free games (they could give out VC games as well as retail), Voice Chat, Match making, etc is what I expect. I am glad they are letting us try it out before hand. As for what needs to be included in their eShop they need digital games not tied to hardware but to an account. It looks like it will work that way but I am waiting to hear more.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Everything you mentioned will be a thing on it, Voice chat included, but I won't participate in paying for multiplayer.

[rjason12]

Games have always been tied to the account (which unfortunately has been tied to the system) I never had problems with my Wii, so I don't know what happens to those games, but when I had problems with my Wii U and 3DS, the accounts were transferred to the new system fine (and in the case of the Wii U, I didn't even have to send it in.)

[DeadManMMX]

IF it gives you an actual online infrastructure then its a good thing.

[Veneno]

If they couldn't even tell us the features of the service at the show other Than you will be paying then there's your answer.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I only saw some of the Stream and I didn't have the sound on so I didn't hear about this.

Man

Wonderful is going to have a field day! This is the exact thing he said he didn't want

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

And I'm standing by my word on the issue.
Just like I told that one asshole a few days earlier, and what I said in a post to you a bit ago;
"Just like with the PS4, I won't pay a secondary fee just to play with friends. On any system, Switch included.
It will take someone paying FOR me, to get me on board for that.

I doubt anyone has an argument to convince me why I SHOULD pay, either. "

[_-EDMIX-_]

Errrr relax it was just a joke you seriously need to grow up.

I'm not going to pay for it either simply because I see me likely playing the majority of my games face-to-face with friends as that's how I played lots of the DS and 3DS multiplayer titles.

[Vystrel]

They will pay you to play online they are so grateful for their Switch buyers and nintendo fans! Finally some good news for console gamers!
Oh wait

[StraightedgeSES]

This subscription better come with all free virtual console games

[MrSec84]

The website reads like you can download a NES classic or SNES game per month and you'll get access to one of those for a month.
Nintendo should be doing something similar to PSPlus or GWG, letting you keep access to those games when you sub to the service.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Fucking hell, Nintendo, you too?!
Welp, guess I'm going to be skipping any online games after March's free trial is over.
I'm standing by my word here; just like with the PS4, I REFUSE to pay for online multiplayer.
I'll probably be in the minority, but it is what it is.
*sigh* I get that these are companies who need to make profit at the end of the day, but this anti-consumer habit of charging us to play with friends NEEDS TO DIE...

Sony is a fucking idiot for doing it.
Microsoft is a fucking idiot for doing it.
And now Nintendo is a fucking idiot for doing it.
All three console makers are fucking idiots on this issue.

@Star child
You're quite a few years too late on that; been a PC gamer for ages.
Only the broken state of both my laptops, and a lack of funds, is holding me back.XD

[Moonman]

Mario Kart 8 is the title I play the most online on any console. Hate I'll have to pay now on Switch. It better come with stickers, vintage Super Mario cereal and a Nintendo Power signed by Miyamoto. lol. But it seriously better have value incentives.

[FunAndGun]

I tried to stand with you when it started with MS, but it is not going away at this point.

If we all got together and all canceled our subs tomorrow maybe, but we as a community are not that organized so we will just pay it and complain.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Have fun, man.
I'm keeping my money in my wallet outside of single player games. They'd have to offer something INSANE as an incentive inside the program, for a price that makes other services look like they're taking an arm and a leg per year, to even make me GLANCE at their subscription service. And even after that glance, I doubt I'd be convinced to pay.

[starchild]

Hey, wonderfulmonkeyman, come on over to PC...the water's fine. :)

Jk play on whatever you like. Maybe PC gaming's not for you, but you should definitely consider it if you haven't already.

[TXIDarkAvenger]

Well doesn't really bother me. I have no intention of buying online multiplayer focused games for consoles. Doing the same thing right now with PS4. Paying for online multiplayer is a joke.

[Elda]

No thanks.

[maybelovehate]

Online sub, 90$ dock, 70$ controller. So basically we are looking at 500 dollars for a system with last gen graphics.

Edit: it does come with dock. So you can remove the 90. 370 is what it would cost if you want a normal controller.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Wrong.
It's $299, and comes with all of that. Not $500.
Stop spreading misinformation.
Edit: no, the Joycons are included in $299 price tag, too, so that's NOT a separate $70.
Heck, the bundle even comes with the joycon cradle for that classic controller shape.

[maybelovehate]

I was wrong about the dock, you are right. But the console controller is a separate 70 dollars. Of course you don't have to pay for it though if you want to use the tiny controller thing.

[conanlifts]

Ms and sony both give multiple free games with their subscriptions. So will Nintendo follow suit? If not they need to put it at a very low price.

[TheDivine]

Paid MP on a freaking handheld? If so I will never buy a MP game on this thing. I really thought this was their moment to shine. This just pissed on everyone's parade. Everything was all hype and now I don't want to buy on principal. I don't pay for Live or Ps Plus (used to on ps3 when it wasn't mandatory) and I won't pay for this. I can at least understand a console but slapping a subscription to play games on a handheld? That's outdoing MS right there.

[LAWSON72]

This could be a good sign actually, increases the chances they will be getting rid of friend codes, adding trophies, and offering free games which Nintendo could do better than PS or xbox with VC games. If they plan on doing none of this I will gladly not get it.

[JokerBoy422]

They don't really have a choice. They are really in the hole after the failed Wii U. Nintendo fanboys will deny and say Nintendo has billions in the bank but they don't realize all the money that goes into R&D, marketing, and then having all that thrown into the garbage. That's why they HAD to jump into the "mobile" market and that's why they HAVE to go into the paid online service. It's going to bite them in the ass sooner or later. People are getting tired of all these subscriptions.

[Irishguy95]

They sold 154 million DS
over 100 mill Wiis
60 mill 3DS

They sold more than MS has ever sold. Not to mention they repackage and resell marios on these handhelds.

You're an idiot if you think 1 console will have them in the dumps. Especially since the Wii U cost less and sold more than the Gamecube.

[masterfox]

LOL no thanks, games that look like that starting a decade ago no way I'm supporting this nonsense.

[RosweeSon]

Games on Mario?

[Wallstreet37]

Its funny how the fanatics would bash Sony and Microsoft for dlc, then for online play knowing damn well Nintendo would follow suit but every time you would hear "Nintendo wouldn't do that" but like every company they did.

Let's just hope with that money they step up their online features and make it worthwhile.

[rezzah]

Makes sense, as a business you go where the money is and in this case it is paid online access (popularized by 360 fans).

[Ark_]

For me it doesn't make sense at all.
No paid online was an advantage for owning a Nintendo system and seperated them from Sony and MS.
Now they have to compete with those services. Tough sell ...

[TheColbertinator]

Ah Steam,never change.

[Goldeneye007]

A Nintendo subscription? AAHAHAHAhahahahaaahaaahaaaaa!! !

R.I.P. Nintendo. At least I still have your retro consoles (N64 & before) to fall back on and enjoy. Maybe in 5 or 6 years time I'll buy the Wii U, and a few more after that I might even buy the NSwitch.

Switch. Just absorb that name for a moment... "Switch," wow. "Switch" to Nintendo, a bait N"Switch", a "Switch" to greed... Nothing about this subscription service is the Nintendo I know, or more accurately "knew".

Their "neon" controller with the red and blue hints at 3D (VR), which is pretty cool. But this whole subscription service just turns me off completely. It will be a LONG while before I get around to playing that new Zelda game but, oh well... I've already waited this long-- another few years won't hurt. I guess I'll go back and replay the originals on NES and work my way up.

[Donnie81]

People can say bad things about Nintendo's online services but truth is its way more reliable than psn.

[Tussin187]

Really? And what the player base compared between the two. You must not game much on PSN. Plus, what hacker is going to waste their time hacking Nintendo's online.

Once again this myth that PSN is not reliable is bullshit. Nintendo is WAY behind on the online front. You fanboys can come up with all the excuses you want but their online service is not even in the same league. It's 2017. We shouldn't have to put in codes to play online. And the full service is not launching with the system. Why release it in March then?

[Erik7357]

Gay

[Utalkin2me]

@LAUNCH DAY
1-2-Switch
The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild
Skylanders Imaginators
Just Dance 2017

[hirobrotagonist]

Shame . Multiplayer should be free on all consoles.

[MrSec84]

Charging for an online service is fine if you have a wide variety of games that take advantage of it, plus the quality is there and subs get access to a bunch of games releasing on your system.

We don't know the cost, full features or anything yet.
Seems like Nintendo are trying to treat Switch like a premium product, while having very little in the way of anything to justify that.

They had better announce more launch games, rethink the pricepoint of the system and accessories, because right now it seems like they're sending it out to die.

This event was massively disappointing IMO.

[Maybay]

Nintendo can **** off. I've lost faith in them (PC gaming will have to do for me now).

[its_JEFF]

I have no problem paying for online play, would rather not but i understand... the crazy thing about this new online service is that the sub allows you to do chat, but where? Chat on the mobile device that comes with the sub. If the wording and the chart is correct, it looks like you can only chat with others with you have a sub, without it is just a temporary demo, and only through their app... not on the console itself.

[PlatinumGX]

The subscription model is retarded, free NES and SNES games for 1 month? Lmao.

[Artemidorus]

Not worth it.

[Night99]

So Steam and PC is the only platform with free online gaming now great job you shitty console manufacturers I really hope consoles with all their greedy platform holders die out sooner than later. When Steam is able to have free online and good prices for games consoles would be able too without any problem it is just greed and stupid enaugh people who even encourage their greed nothing more.

[Liqu1d]

Paid online is now standard for console gaming.

[Ninjamonkey82]

I own ps4 x1s and i wil be happy when i pick up my switch in march if i can get hold off one thats an extremely competitive price 3 massive games i want this year right away zelda mario Zenoblade i don't mind subscriptions i pay by the year either way dont look at them till they run out. Nintendo has been in my house seen the late 80s no need to stop now

[Amorist89]

I swear Nintendo can't win on this site, we knew a subscription service was investable and get's criticised by those on platforms that have paid for the privilege of online gaming for over half a decade. Your laughing yet in the same boat....

Then criticise how Nintendo Network doesn't do the same as the others, wanting a free network all the features, wanting your cake and eating it.

Overall how the presentation went...I'm going for my most disliked comment in my time on N4G, gamers these days have too high expectations. A highly affordable system that HAS to be the most POWERFUL, all the killers games from the START, FREE online, and something that can bring them a fresh coffee each morning & fluff their pillows.

I hate to tell you guys but remember the crap PS4 & Xbox One got before they were released? Well there ya go....

[FunAndGun]

We are in the same waters, but our boats are actually really different. I would go through and cite those differences, but we don't know all the information yet.

[Amorist89]

Pm me, im interested to discuss :)

[Cthuluhoop36]

Why are people complaining about Nintendo's paid online service?? You have to pay for Xbone and PS4 online services so what's the big deal??

Also don't forget Nintendo did save the world of gaming

[mochachino]

Nintendo better have an online service worth paying for, they're a decade behind already. They can't just charge people for inferior services.

[cash_longfellow]

Hot garbage!

[About30Ninjas]

I'm not too trill about adding another subscription but look on the bright side now we get voice chat on Nintendo 1st party games and we get free games every month