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Scorpio Graphics Boost Will Be Smaller At First, 6TFLOPS Will Allow For High FPS In 4K, Says Tarsier

While there is quite a bit of excitement surrounding the Xbox Scorpio, both among developers and users, there are some people who have rightfully pointed out there are going to be some drawbacks, at least when the console launches.

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corroios2723d ago (Edited 2723d ago )

High frame rate, 4k, and 6,teraflops is not possible at best 4k30 but 60 frames nope or maybe with every setting low. They would need a lot more power except for tetris game

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Lennoxb632723d ago

I think you forget that they said the GPU alone is 6TFs. The console as a whole will be more than that.

Princess_Pilfer2723d ago

I think you forget that as far as graphical performance that really doesn't matter, ultimately no amount of bandwitdh or CPU power can make a difference to a GPU that simply isn't fast enough to process the data quickly enough to maintain 60 FPS at 4k. All it's doing is not getting in the way of the GPU and ensuring it works as well as it can.

SCW19822722d ago

I think you don't know how a console works.

Princess_Pilfer2718d ago (Edited 2718d ago )

@SCW1982

I don't think you know how a computer works. There are CPU bound processes and GPU bound processes. Naturally many processes can be done on either, but the specific reason we have dedicated chipsets is because they're better at their specific job.

No amount of CPU power will help the speed of a GPU bound process or the associated FPS, and rendering things at 4k is a *very* GPU bound process. The Best the CPU can do in those situations is not get in the way.

Obscure_Observer2723d ago

@corroios

Prepare yourself for Forza Motorsport 7. ;)

Errorist762722d ago

You mean that Forza that doesn't even have dynamic lighting since ages?!

Movefasta19932722d ago (Edited 2722d ago )

Errorist name me one next gen racer that has dynamic lighting at a locked 60 and 1080p on console
Lol at the dislikes,truth hurts right? Man up and answer Error.

Obscure_Observer2722d ago (Edited 2722d ago )

@Errorist76

Yeah... you mean the same dynamic lighting that Kazunori Yamauchi used on GT5 and GT6 and now is dropping for the PS4/PRO´s GT Sport, Right?

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bluefox7552723d ago (Edited 2723d ago )

Yes, any PC gamer knows this. 6 tflops is enough for lower demanding games at 4k/30fps, but certainly not for modern games, and not at 60fps, not without dialing the graphics way back.

Altovoltage2723d ago (Edited 2723d ago )

Are you a developer? Because from what I know consoles can be optimized way better than a PC if they both have the same specs. So that means 6 teraflops are not the same as 6 teraflops on a computer.

Errorist762722d ago

That is undoubtedly true.

FlyingFoxy2722d ago

Yea but there isn't a huge difference with what you're saying there, consoles CAN be optimised better, but they only squeeze a bit more than a PC can. Go look up Digital Foundry when they built a PS4 beating PC. Basically the regular PS4 uses a lower end mid range GPU, you only buy a model slightly more expensive for your PC and it will beat it.

Been the same with Nvidia vs AMD, the 980Ti was more powerful than the Fury X.

980Ti stock 5.63 Tflops, Fury X 8.60 Tflops, and the 980Ti was still noticeably faster. Tflops don't tell the full story.

Angeljuice2722d ago

But console optimisation doesn't double the output (it adds more like 10-20%).
6.6 - 7.2 Tflops PC equivalent still isn't enough.

defiance1872723d ago

Why does no one seem to understand that when they say 4k they are talking about the exact same settings as the regular xbox just with a rez boost. Its not inconcivable they could hit 4k 60 fps when you look at it like that. They are not talking PC ultra more like PC medium which is what consoles generally run at with an extra bell and whistle here and there. I can run Gears 4 PC at 4k mostly 30 fps on a gtx 970 and i5 3770k so on a closed platform I dont think 60 at medium settings is out of the question.

its_JEFF2722d ago (Edited 2722d ago )

This is how I'm looking at it as well, when they say 4K @60fps. It seems like this round of consoles, PS4 Pro & Scorpio, as focusing on IQ with all this 4K talk. The Last of Us is 4K60, but it looks like a ps3 game with very good IQ.

andrewsquall2723d ago

It will most certainly be possible on a lot of Xbone games though. How hard would it really be to get already meh looking games like Forza 6 or Recore run at 4K resolution and 60/unlocked fps with 6tflops?

Good luck getting a game that even comes a tiny bit close to Horizon Zero Dawn, Detroit Become Human or The Last of Us 2 on Scorpio at even only 1080p though. Hell good luck getting games that come close to Infamous Second Son, The Order 1886 or Ratchet and Clank 2016 at 1080p.

conanlifts2723d ago

I partly agree. But console vs pc is never as straight forward. Consoles are known for far greater efficiency than pc gpus so for example a 6.5tflop pc gpu will not compete with a 6tflop console gpu.

Babadook72723d ago (Edited 2723d ago )

PS4 Pro can handle 1800p @ 60 fps for games like titanfall 2 (with checkerboarding).

Scorpio could likely run the same game 1800p @ 60 fps as well but without needing checker boarding. Or if they do use checker boarding like the Pro does, your looking at 4k @ 60. Obviously that is not native either though. And that's the type of difference we have seen between PS4 and Xbox One (1080p vs 900p) but this time the shoe is on the other foot. I personally think you can't lose either way as there is a large wait for the better hardware and possibly a steeper price.

blackblades2723d ago

My thing is that everyone trying to keep the scorpio relevant with no new news. Keep rehashing the same talk because they announced it early. Also anything can change between now and then I rather just wait until they're 100% sure close to the release date.

Errorist762722d ago

It's the only thing they can do for the next year. X1 sales will drop heavily month by month and there won't be any competition for the Pro for almost a year.

lastking952723d ago (Edited 2722d ago )

Still comparing pc to console. They never learn.

Garfield is one of those people. Countless proof yet still never learn

starrman19852722d ago

This is the most accurate response I have read.

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Davidgr22723d ago

NBA 2K17 and FIFA 2017 run native 4k 60 fps on PS4 Pro. Though I hope they focus on 60fps then worry about resolution. I'd take 1080p or 1440p at locked 60 ultra over 4k 30 fps

Liqu1d2722d ago

According to a particular group of people they don't count because they're sports games.

MrCrimson2723d ago (Edited 2723d ago )

i disagree, a 980 has only 5 teraflops. that card can run 4k 60 frames.

Errorist762722d ago

Indies maybe or old games.

starrman19852722d ago (Edited 2722d ago )

For people comparing these stats to PC, you do realise that the Xbox One and PS4 (@1.3 and 1.8 respectively) can nearly, not quite, deliver the same performance as my 4tf GTX 970. Consoles DO NOT work in exactly the same way as a PC and their power can be utilised differently.

I agree, it's unlikely we will see games running @Ultra/60FPS/4K but I think people will be surprised by the performance of it. I think we will more likely see 1080 figures than 1070 (which I agree is STILL not really a full 4K card). I'm expecting med/high settings at around 30fps, some 60s as developers start to utilise the hardware better.

ProjectVulcan2722d ago (Edited 2722d ago )

Not even PS4 can get close to a GTX970, don't be silly. I was looking at Battlefield 1 benchmarks just the other day.

PS4 doesn't even hit 1920 x 1080. It has a dynamic framebuffer and is usually below that. It also can't sustain 60FPS despite the resolution lowering itself, much of the time it's hovering around 50FPS average and as low as 30FPS minimum in rough spots. The game's setting are equivalent to about medium/high on average compared to the PC version. Some low, some ultra, much in between.

Once glance at a stock non OC GTX970 benched with a decent CPU and it can manage an average framerate of mid 50s, minimum mid 40s on ALL ultra settings, at a constant 2560 x 1440.

So we have a much more stable framerate, every setting is higher, and DOUBLE the resolution of PS4 at any given moment. I wouldn't call that nearly or even close to be honest. Something like 2-3x the performance. And it is.

Same story on pretty much any other cross format game. Gears 4 is pretty much the tour de force of Xbox One technically- 1920 x 1080 (it drops a little), 30FPS campaign. GTX970 can easily do 2560 x 1400 (nearly double res), better settings, and 40FPS+

SlightlyRetarted2722d ago

Why no one talks about quality of graphics, but just resolution and frame rate. Sure maybe it can run 4K/60fps, but sure as hell not on Ultra settings.

FlyingFoxy2722d ago

Anything at 980Ti level or above struggles with 4K. 4K is only good for playing older/less demanding titles right now if you want a solid 60fps.

GPU's to play games with little/no dips below 60fps are a bit off still. 1080p/1440p with 120/144hz are the sweet spot, the high hz makes a large difference to smoothness in any game that is moderately/faster paced.

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XanderZane2722d ago

Dave Mervik sounded confused and unsure. The hardware hasn't even been finalized yet. Pretty sure there will be games that are 4K at 30fps and 60fps. I doubt every game will be 4K though as Microsoft is not forcing developers to make every game native 4K. Developers may still make some games native 1080P or 1440P. It's their choice.

Captain_Tom2722d ago

Wow the disagrees are hilarious!

My Fury X has 8.6 TF, and it can more or less do 40-60 FPS in 4K depending on the game. Yet you people think 6TF will do 60?!

12TF is what would be required for longterm 4K@60 gaming in a console, and this is likely what the PS5 will have in couple years.

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AuToFiRE2722d ago

The PS2 was capable of 1080i output, and they are still struggling to get 1080p out of a console now while advertising a blatantly false 4K@60FPS.

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kraenk122723d ago (Edited 2723d ago )

Attention Gamingbolt!

On topic! The Switch from a GTX970 with PS4Pro power to the GTX1060 with Scorpio power is what the difference will be. A few frames, a few more details but that's about it.

Bruh2723d ago

The difference isn't meant to be staggering in fact both base machines will hold back the mid-gen upgrades. I'm sure you'll see games like BF, Rise, ME run at native 4K on the Scorpio considering they're running at a pretty high resolution on the Pro already

Obscure_Observer2723d ago

@kraenk12

More like a GTX1070. And don´t forget its not just the gpu or the 6TF alone. That 320G bandwidth (That´s the same bandwidth as the GTX 1080 and problably GDDR5X as well) will play a HUGE factor when we´re talking about higher resolutions. Unlike the PS4Pro, the Scorpio will not be sporting the same memory and processor slightly up clocked. Scorpios processor could be ZEN.

What i´m saying is with all of this features could it be hard for one to mesure exactly what difference between the Scorpio and the PS4Pro will be. ;)

Raiden2723d ago

@obscure observer
Well stated, to me its a wait and see what kind of mid-gen the xb Scorpio really is.

Ashunderfire862722d ago (Edited 2722d ago )

I said the same thing, cause PC and consoles are optimized differently. PC has to deal with everything like the OS, internet browser, and other programs that could effect performance. Consoles don't have any of those programs in the way. I really do think they can achieve 4K60fps due to a new more powerful CPU and Ram, not just the 6 Teraflops. Remember PS4 Pro just overclock the same CPU instead of changing it. Most Xbox Scropio games will achieve at least 2k-3k gaming at 60fps, with some 4K60fps flag ship titles like Halo 6, and Gears 4(Scropio update). It will be the closes we will ever see a console get to the power of PC. I am all for this and can't wait! But don't forget....Remember thy all mighty Cloud Microsoft talk about for Crackdown 3 and others? That is still on the table.

OpenGL2722d ago

It's not GDDR5X, the memory configuration on the board indicated it was likely 12GB of RAM meaning it's on something like a 384-bit memory interface. You can't really compare bandwidth directly between Polaris and Pascal as it's become pretty clear that Pascal has superior color compression so the bandwidth goes further.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2723d ago

GPU is not everything lol. Scorpio still has +4gb more of RAM and it's 112gb/sec faster than Pro, plus the CPU will be more powerful!

zb1ftw7772723d ago

The difference is a whole PS4's worth of power.

That, is alot.

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2722d ago

This is true lol. The downvotes only prove ignorance, they must not game on PC lol

Yohshida2723d ago

Because a console only has a gpu, right?
CPU and RAM are what will show the true Power. Both will be way above the pro.

strangerthings19952722d ago

I have gtx 970 and the PRO.....the 970 blows the pro out of the water

GUTZnPAPERCUTZ2722d ago

That is because your CPU and System RAM is probably much better than the Pro's right? Probably because GPU is not everything like I have been trying to tell these gamers who play console strictly, but they won't listen... they just downvote and show ignorance lol

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XXanderXX2723d ago (Edited 2723d ago )

Awesome, great bring it on

christocolus2722d ago

Getting it day one. Can't wait for the reveal.

XXanderXX2722d ago

Am trying to plan a day off for it ,but just wish they would state if it will happen at E3 2017 or an Xbox event held at Redmond. details I need .......lol

PFFT2722d ago

Same here! Its a day one purchase! Cant wait for the reveal.

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Naughty Dog's Neil Druckmann Teases Multiple 'Single-Player' Games in Development

Naughty Dog has multiple single-player games planned.

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Cacabunga2h ago

Thats something ! Got the reason back

OtterX2h ago

I'd like something more lighthearted up next. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed The Last of Us, but I sure do miss the Naughty Dog games that didn't leave me feeling like someone just kicked my dog into traffic.

Cacabunga1h ago

I honestly just want a new Uncharted.. i remember the first time they revealed gameplay trailer of U4.. blew my mind !!!

KyRo42m ago

I'd love a new Uncharted game too. If they did, I'd want a return to the massive set pieces of the first three games. I felt U4 was missing that one set pieces like the train/cargo plane moment of the previous games.

Hotpot1h ago

I hope they have something ready for next year, last time they released a new game was TLoU part 2 4 years ago

RaidenBlack1h ago

Hope one of them is a FPV game. They can try more immersion with FPV.

Yui_Suzumiya1h ago

The Last of Us: Part III as a direct continuation from II. The series doesn't end until they have a cure.

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Days Gone Director Says Bend's Project Costs Over $250M; Says PS Co-CEO Doesn't Want 2 Zombies Games

Days Gone director claims Sony has already poured in at least a $250M in Bend's project; says Days Gone sold more than Death Stranding.

shinoff21833d ago

Well that sucks. Seems they want more online trash. I'd rather of had the sequel if it was single player

MrNinosan3d ago

What online trash games did PS Studios release last 10 years?

Notellin2d ago

The past has nothing to do with the future. This is such a terrible argument. Everyone knows about their current live service push.

_SilverHawk_2d ago

It's so tragic what happened to days gone. It is such an amazing game but bandwagoners trashed it and it underperformed in it's launch year. Days gone is the best open world zombie game released in the past five years. I was recently playing it on pc and I'm still amazed by it.

Games are very expensive to make and it seems like it's normal for a AAA game to cost over a quarter billion to make so if a quality game like days gone greatly underperforms then people shouldn't be upset when they see a lot of GAAS. I still remember a lot of bandwagoners calling days gone trash but years later it's now amazing when it's considered a failure by sony.

If a game isn't the best thing seen since hats with pockets then a lot of gamers who haven't played it automatically calls it rubbish and whoever made it should be incarcerated

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Co CEO prefers gamers to boycott.. so be it. I’ll never buy a gaas.
Just imagine buying a game you cannot replay in some years.. this shit must stop.

Days Gone did zombies in a very original way. The story was also so engaging. You actually only meet Zombie hordes later in the game. There are many more enemy groups to deal with.

MrNinosan2d ago

@Notelin
I am one of the few who bought Days Gone on release day and loved it completely.
However, "more online trash" is phrased like Sony has put out alot of trash online games.
We got what, 2 games? Helldivers 2 and GT7, 2 of the most sold Playstation games where both is loved by millions.

You, me and especially shinoff has no idea if Fairgames, Marathon and Concord will be trash.

Just because we (as in you and me) don't love or support online games, doesn't mean millions of other do.

And we don't know what Bend Studio is working with? We don't know if they're forced to make a online game or another amazing single player experience.

The only thing we do know is that it's not Days Gone, sadly due to poor sales the first 6 months.

shinoff21832d ago (Edited 2d ago )

More online trash wasmt meant how insee it comes across. I should've worded it different I was meaning the focus they currently have on it.

Anything online is online trash to me. How long did naughty dog spend on that dumba last of us multiplayer, how about Concord, or even the other couple we hear about. I fk with Sony because rpgs and their 1st party single player games. Been like that for years. I hate seeing them waste time, money, and talent on trash. I understand bot every game is gonna be for me but this focus they've seem to had on multiplayer is extremely disheartening. Even at the state of play the only things I was really feeling were Astrobot and silent hill 2 and I'm content with that, not everything is for me. It's just the online focus I hate. Ms bought up 3 to 4 wrpgs developers, Sony just ignores rpgs 1st party wise.

And a days gone 2 would've been much better then whatever online sht bend is working on. I do know sometimes I get very idk emotional. I do need to work on toning that down a bit lol

SimpleDad2d ago

Ammm let's see... That All-stars, Foamstars, Babilon 5 wass gaas...
Concord... can wait to play that...Marathon uuuu... Last of them gaas... U
Horizon Zero dawn has a project that leaked as a Fortnite lookalike.

They bought Destiny that is a dead gaas...people love ti.

Helldivers 2 was luck.

Jimbo was all in and pushed Sony single player games 5 years behind.

Spiderman gaas was cancelled... I mean every 1st party studio was doing gaas.

Bend had to pitch a gaas game... Open world coop something

I can't remember more... Of that crap.

tay87012d ago

@simpledad. Destiny 2 isn't a dead game. Its the number 5 most played game on steam. I dont play it, but alot of people do.

MrNinosan2d ago

@SimpleDad
You failed to mention a single PS Studios game that has been released last 10 years.
Either your reading skills are crap or you think Sony own every studio in the world.

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just_looken2d ago

I rolled my eyes at concord not only was it just yet another cookie cutter hero shooter but that qucik look for the hero select.

Already has a free section then paid section along with a they/them she/her dei crap top right.

Nothing like a day off of work to fire up concord to read about the new characters sexual identity and or preference then a paywall do you want o buy this character shit like no i just want to shoot my gun have fun.

-Foxtrot3d ago

It would be a shame if it was true that Hermen never gave the franchise a chance simply because he didn't like it and they already had a "Zombie" game with TLOU.

NaughtyDog are most likely moving onto a new IP next so it would have been the perfect time to do it.

ThinkThink3d ago

Here's where xbox steps in and releases state of decay 3 day and date on ps5.

shinoff21832d ago

I mean it's not out of the realm of possibility at this point.

Grilla3d ago

Days gone 2 was canceled before Herman was in charge. That happened like 4 years ago.

vfl5233d ago

4 years ago he was head of Playstation Studios. He would've probably had a hand in the cancelation.

Notellin2d ago

Man two seconds of research could have saved you from this comment. Amazing work Grilla you fit in with the uniformed N4G community who speaks before verifying anything that they say.

Redemption-642d ago

Maybe encourage people to buy the game at full price and not when it's heavily discounted or go on plus. If this game had sold well when it was full priced a sequel would have been in the works. They made a single-player game that most people didn't support until they dropped the price.

Cacabunga2d ago

The guy’s just a moron.. he should have stayed within game development. His choices will have a terrible impact on the brand in the long run.

tay87012d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Dude is pretty pathetic. Sounds like a guy who's girl left him for someone better. Always talking about days gone sequel that never was, even though he is no longer at bend and hasnt been for a while. I for one am not upset about the lack of a sequel. It is one of the worst 1st party games in recent memory. Completely jank, played like an xbox game. The only redeeming quality was the hordes.

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excaliburps3d ago

Yep. Kind of weird since it wasn't a sales flop, no?

I know we have to take what Ross says with a grain of salt since we're hearing just one side of the story, but even so, the game wasn't bad at all. Heck, it's my brother's favorite last-gen game from what I recall.

The amount of zombies on screen, imagine that with the PS5 and SSD? That would be insanely fun!

Grilla3d ago

Most copies were sold on sale. Not enough ppl bought it at full price. I paid 20$ for it 6 -7 months after release.

Notellin2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Yeah we should never believe the creators side until we hear the corporate/big business side as history has shown we should always believe billion dollar corporations.

What a bootlicker statement.

derek2d ago

@Notellin, of course you'll believe an embittered ex-employee with an axe to grind because it's evil Sony he's complaining about. You guys act like days gone was this huge success and somehow Sony hates easy money a sequel would have generated. The game was mid and so was the response to it. They're still supporting the developer who is making a new ip that could be great.

shinoff21832d ago

Days gone was fantastic. I bought day one but didn't get around to it for months. When I finally did I was pissed at myself for waiting so long lol

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P_Bomb3d ago

Well I don’t want 10 live service games, but they have no problem doing that lol. Ugh.

CrimsonWing693d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Oh great so we only get what the big wigs want… y’know, the people that really have their fingers on the pulse of what their consumers want. Faaaaantastic!

rippermcrip2d ago

Well consider they know the sales... they do know what the consumer wants.

It sold shit.

-Foxtrot2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

But if it’s true what this guy says it sold better than Death Stranding

Yet that got a sequel and Kojima aside out of them both DS didn’t really NEED a sequel compared to Days Gone which ended on such a cliff hanger twist.

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Greetings from the newly minted CEO - Shams Jorjani

Operating under the username BigKahuna_AGS, Jorjani created a lengthy thread on the Helldivers subreddit to introduce himself to the community following his appointment as CEO in early May.