No Trophies = No Buy?

PlayStation 3 Trophies have been live for over 2 months. A growing number of games include Trophy support. Some developers including LucasArts and Bethesda are about to release games that do not include Trophy support. If PS3 owners pay the same price for a game as Xbox 360 owners then they deserve equal features. If a developer doesn't include Trophies will you still give them your money?

[PirateThom]

Yes, because I play games for games, not to collect trophies or achievements. Some people seem to have forgot this...

[dericb11]

It doesnt matter if you play for games. They are saying why play for a game missing features in it? Would you buy a game for the same price as a collectors editions. No you wouldn't. I don't need trophies but have they have them on the 360 they should be on the PS3 too.

[FantasyStar]

I want developers to support Trophies and Custom Soundtracks just because. I have no interest in trophy-grinding, but I also hate how developers can pass off features like trophies as "cost-cutting" measures. I won't endorse their laziness with my money. I pay for premium quality games with all the features to boot. You think with Sony giving choice as to add trophies would encourage developers' to strive to make their own, but it's doing the exact opposite, we see this alot with multiplatform games. Maybe Sony should be more like Microsoft and rule their console with an iron fist, at least then the PS3 gamers will be enjoying the full features of their console.

A good example is that the PS3 version of Pure should support Custom Soundtracks. When I was playing the Pure demo on the 360, I was playing "Desperate Chase" from MGS4 and GOSH! IT WAS AWESOME! It felt...so right. We need more support for Trophies and Custom Soundtracks just because. Climb a mountain because it's there right? Not because there's personal gain out of it.

[MattyF]

These games were nearly done with development before Sony introduced Trophy support. They aren't cutting features of their titles by not having Trophy Support. A feature would be something that has an impact on the overall experience, not something trivial like Trophy or Achievement support.

Sony is implementing that all developers must use Trophy support by this Fall and in 2009. It's not that big of a deal. If you want Achievement Points, then by all means get the 360 version of the game you want. If you base your enjoyment on getting little perks in a game, then you are playing the game for the wrong reason if lack of Trophy support is stopping you from getting the said title. Give it six months and every developer will be supporting the Trophy system.

[theKiller]

for low quality games if they didnt include trophies but the thing is when ps3 have extra advantage developers never take that advantage so that both versions of ps3 and 360 r equal and dont damage 360 version of the game but not vise versa, for example the extra space blue ray has, they could easily include many expansions or DLC and extra's at launch on the ps3 blue ray game but they dont!

this is the only problem, about no trophies for ps3 owners and there is achievements for 360 owners!! i guess sony needs to make it obligatory to make trophies for all ps3 games!

any way just because of this bias, or laziness or call it what ever u want, i wont buy any game now or in the future that supports 360 achievements and not ps3 trophies!!

and i think many people feel like how i feel from the ps3 owners, i say dont buy these games until they release trophies even if we dont really care about trophies for a specific game, do it to show them that we have rights and we r paying the money they feed them selfs!!

[Blademask]

Since most of those are classic ideas of "arcade" games with leaderboards and not so much in depth story/singleplayer.

i dunno.

[StephanieBBB]

They add a little minigame inside the actual game but I cans sure live without it if the game itself delivers. If farcry 2 wouldn't have trophies I would absolutely still buy it but if wipeout HD didn't have trophies I would probably really think over it before judging if I should buy it or not.

[jmare]

Why does everyone forget that Sony did not make Trophies standard right now to avoid causing delays, especially at the holiday season? Next year they will be standard.

[cherrypie]

Hey toolbox, Achievements and Medals are part of the game -- its a Meta-Game (of sorts).

Dont be ridiculous. Are you really trying to say "I want to buy the PS3 version, because it has *LESS*!"

Sheesh, clearly flawed fanboy logic at work here.

[solidt12]

I must admit that I am more excited to buy a game if it has trophies but i would only by it if i planned on buying it any. I wouldn't buy a game just for trophies. I enjoyed the demo for this game and I think it is a good buy for any fan of Star Wars. And FallOut 3 is a must buy regardless.

[Pika-pie]

Trophies are mandatory in game releases from 09.

Anyway, i disagree with PirateThom... I do play games for games.... I love trophies, I think they add to the whole gaming experience. Like in Uncharted, i found myself playing that game in a way I never did the first time round such as working on combos and shooting from the hip to take the guys down in one punch. Never bothered with any of that before trophies.

I will be buying burnout for trophies when the patch is released. Praying for GTA trophies and cant wait for Wipeout HD.

[hfaze]

As much as I have ragged on my 360-only owning buddies for being achievement whores, I can say that I have played Uncharted a good three times through since the trophy patch was released. (I have all but three of the Uncharted trophies now)

I can't say that I won't buy a game that doesn't have trophy support, but I can say that I have been enjoying hunting for trophies.

More developers need to start supporting this feature on the PS3. It's just ridiculous for new PS3 games to come out without support for trophies. I was more than a bit disappointed that "The Last Guy" didn't include trophies.

[leyego]

if the game really apeals to me i wouldn't care.
but if its a generic title thats getting a little big of news then no way.

also if they can code achievements into the xbox ver of the game y not just translate that into trophies? it makes no sense, y go all the way and make achievements but not trophies?

[lessthanmarcus]

From here on out. If it doesn't include trophies then I look at it like there wasn't enough effort put into the game. No trophies = no buy.

[MiloGarret]

Trophies or achievemts haven't swayed me in any purchase so far, and they never will. I buy a game because it looks fun, the system I end up buying it for depends solely on which one the game looks/works/feels best. Like dmc 4 for ps3 (feel) or orange box 360 (feel/works).

[bigman7387]

Trophies are cool, but there's no reason to not buy a game if it doesnt have trophies. Otherwise I would miss out on some truly amazing games because the developer didn't want to use time and money to put them in.

Trophies are merely for show. It's like only playing a sport if you end up with a medal or a trophy, which is moronic.

[Pr3-M3d_G4M3R]

Who cares about trophies, they are the most useless thing, they dont do anything, they dont account for anything except to tell all of how much spare time you have to waste, put your time into making money then you gain respect, you dont gain respect by making "trophies" whoa! how Fuc**** lame

[INehalemEXI]

A gamers brain releases more dopamine every time we get an achievement or trophy or unlock something. Why do you think phat lewtz, high scores and everything of the sort are in games. To make gameplay addicting.

Same way you see a brain scan and that the levels of dopamine spike when someone takes a hit of crank. Yet to a much lesser degree when it comes to digital crank (games).

I will buy a game regardless but I point to the fact that there are both trophy wh*res and crack wh*res. So they do have an effect on people. Its a bigger deal for some then others.

[FantasyStar]

I would much more prefer "E-penis."

[DJ]

I'm more inclined to play titles that have trophies. It's the reason I bought Super Stardust HD, and went back to play Uncharted and Warhawk.

[Mr_Bun]

I did the same thing with Super Stardus and Warhawk...It also added even more replay value to Uncharted...There are games that I will get even if they don't have trophy support, but Stardust and Pixeljunk Eden wouldn't be on my PS3 without trophies.

[gokuss122002]

...like the uncharted self-implemented trophy system.

In mid-post I just thought of some wonderful trophy ideas.

I'll post in openzone (less post). Pleas Read Really Cool

[MorganX]

At this point, no trophies, no buy for me.

[MiloGarret]

SuperStardust HD is an amazing game, with or without trophies, best on psn imo.

[INehalemEXI]

I would rank it like this for PSN

1 Warhawk

2 Tekken 5DR Online

3 GT5P

4 SSHD

If a game has tropy's it is an added benefit but I would not neglect a good game just because it had no trophy's.

[MorganX]

Prepare for WipEout HD to take its rightful place atop your list.

[SullyDrake]

If you're primarily a PS3 gamer with a 360 for the exclusives, the lack of Trophies could be all one needs to consider the 360 version.

I want all games to have Trophies; you can't argue with extra free features.

[bakagaijin78]

I agree with this. I prefer my PS3 but I got a 360 for it's exclusives (like Fable & Mass Effect). I am torn on which system to buy Fallout 3 for...

[SullyDrake]

... It'll perform better in every category on the PS3.

And I think a Trophy patch is all but guaranteed.

[Pika-pie]

From someone who owns both consoles i couldnt give a damn about acheivements.... Trophies FTW!!!

[YoshiMeetsU]

"If Oblivion is any indication...
... It'll perform better in every category on the PS3."

Yes, because Oblivion came out 6 months later on the PS3 and they had extra time to polish it and then released an update for the 360 version that improved it as well.

Considering the 360 version has exclusive DLC and was the lead platform I would say the 360 version is the way to go. Everything you've seen in demo's, etc has been the 360 version.

Choose what you like but using Oblivion as an indicator is naive.

[BaSeBaLlKiD721]

thats the only reason why im getting COD:W@W

i mean, once you beat a game with no trophies, what now? delete the saved data and everything you achieved goes down the drain??? you cant even show other people that you beat it or even have rewards for beating a game.

i think that trophies make the game more fun, challenging, and worth playing. i just like to have rewards when i achieve something challenging and have a nice trophy room in HOME if they still going to have the room, lol

[PirateThom]

Sory, but it kind of reminds me of this...

:D

[SullyDrake]

Your high school picture is adorable PirateThom!

[okcomputer]

Well, if cod4 is any indication, after you beat w@w you can enjoy hours of some of the best online console fps gameplay ever.

Trophies are nice and all, but to buy a bad game just for them, or pass up a great game just because it doesn't have them is pretty stupid.

[jessupj]

No trophies support wouldn't stop me from getting a great game, but it would add so much more to the game if it did. I'm very annoyed that fo3 won't be getting trophies but I will still get it. They might release a patch anyway.

I think part of it is the money and time, but another part may be laziness. I don't really know. But implimenting trophies into a game wouldn't take that long. All they have to do is create a list, program the triggers in, debug and test. I've worked in teams doing this type of work before, so imo it would only take 2 weeks if you have good people, 1 month at the most. But that can add up to a lot of money and a delay is still a delay so I can sympathise with the developers.

[Menchi]

For me, it is a case of "If I wanted the game before, I'll still buy it"

But there's been a number of games that I've been interested in, but not really thought it worth the "risk"

Trophies at least help swing that. For example, Uncharted was an interesting title, but one I wasn't that interested in until they released the Trophy patch. I bought the game the day after.

I was initially interested in Star Wars- TFU, however, upon finding out they were going to skimp out on Trophies, even with the Playstation 3 being the lead platform, I decided it wasn't worth my money, if they couldn't couldn't be bothered to implement it.

[lukeb4dunk]

I completely agree with you. While Uncharted was a day one purchase for me, the trophy support did make me dust it off and enjoy it all over again (except for that damn Crushing level!).

I have a list of games that I consider must buys, and regardless of trophy support or not, I will buy them. Then there is a list for the maybe games. These are the games that trophy support could swing my decision one way or the other.

So in some cases, no trophy support doesn't matter, while in some cases, it matters quite a bit.

[bigman7387]

WTF. Uncharted had medals. Just because they weren't called Trophies doesn't mean they weren't goals to achieve while playing the game.

Unless you're one of those "My imaginary internet Trophy penis is bigger than yours."

[chanto23]

No Trophies=No Buy

I agree 100% with the article...
I actually use Trophies/Achievements as an indicator of when i should trade-in my games. This works really well for single player-only games. Once i get all trophies/1000 GS it means its time to trade-in the game cause i know i won't touch it anymore

[Brixxer600]

Trophies aren't the be all and end all, if i want a game i'll buy it anyway but trophies do add replayability, i recently repurchased Uncharted specifically for trophies and aim to play through again to make sure i get them all.

I have read that trophies are to be made mandatory on all PS3 games from beginning of next year anyway, hopefully it's true.

[4cough]

FACTIOD for you................Playstation Trophies are a EPIC AND UTTER FAILURE a bit like the PSN itself..

[cr33ping_death]

and much like your father for not wearing a condom.

[Freezingduck]

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[theKiller]

will talk for it self

sorry i couldnt upload the picture from my HDD! and i cant find it on the net!

EDIT
i will make the picture as my avatar for some hours before i change it! i hope by that time someone can give me the link to it from the net

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

;-P

I find them to hard(PJ:Eden!!!), so if there is Trophies in a game i'll just play the game from now on my normal way, and if i unlock any i'll erm have them;)
It's Nice to have Trophies in games tho, but i'm not going to Tear my hair out to get them anymore!!! ;-D

[Pain]

and No money = No buy...

Trophies/achievements = e-penis or no life so not everyones cup of tea...err..or.. coffee

Trophies/PSN >>>>>>RAPES XBL/achievements, nice try kid.

[Closing]

Trophies, and achievements are both lame. You didn't actually save the world so who gives a crap? I don't have time to look through peoples trophies nor would I care too either.

[juuken]

And you're a failure as well.

A real gamer plays games, not worry about achievements and trophies. A real gamer beats the game and moves on to the harder modes.

Trophies and achievements are good by themselves but I would rather feel a sense of accomplishment beating the game than to worry about this.

[BattleAxe]

I love my PS3, but I could care less about trophies. I personally don't understand what the big deal is. I play games for the actual game experience, not bragging rights.

[DwightOwen]

Pray tell, what is a "fake" gamer?

Please, spare us your delusions of superiority.

Achievements and Trophies give players an incentive to keep playing the game long after they've beaten it and provide a nice little reward for doing so. For someone who prides themselves on being a "real" gamer and tackling the harder modes, one would think you would appreciate something that's included in the game which proves that you actually did it.

[juuken]

I have no problem with trophies or achievements.

But to act as if it's the end of the world when the game doesn't provide them is pretty much stupid. What, did we have trophies and achievements back in the day on the SNES or Sega Genesis?

You played the game to *beat* it and to play it over again in harder modes.

I like trophies and achievements but I'm not going to turn into a selfish grinch and not buy the game because it doesn't have it.

Think before you talk.

This had nothing to do with delusions of being superior so grow up. -__-

[BUKKAKALYPSE]

have to agree with DwightOwen. Arcade game high scores that you can boast to your friends about having pretty much evolved into achievments (or their cheap rip off *Trophies*). Not needed but really nice to have when your friends comes over and you can actually prove you did something few others have..

If Trophies were for every game on the PS3, Juukie baby would be singing a different tune

[leyego]

epic fail
play a game just to beat it. u sound like a fps fanboy.
people used to play games for the story mode, kicking ur friends buts, or just trying to beat the puzzle to get to the next one.

last time i check most of the old school snes and genesis games didn't have harder modes except for fighters and shooters

[bobokadof]

dude that was awesome lol

[pwnsause]

QFT

[asyouburn]

i dont get the "i'm not buying this game w/out trophy" nonsense. you can still shoot 100 people in the head in uncharted without the game telling you that you did. it does nothing to change the game. its still the same kick ass game either way. all achievemants/trophys do is get tards to buy really crappy games and actually play them. i have a bunch of friends that bought avatar and all tha dreck like it just to get easy points. i'm sorry, my time is too valuable to play sh!t games for imaginary points.

[dude_uk]

what the hell happened to the true spirit of gaming???

gaming is not something you should use to compare with the world about and it shouldn't be the thing that defines your buying options(trophies)... its something that you use to have fun and and relax (MGS4)

[mcgrawgamer]

Ever hear of a arcade? The primary goal was to get the high score so that everyone who played the game would see that your the best at that game to become the best someone has to beat your score. Trophies and Achievements are just an extension of that feeling you get from the arcade.

[kdawg5]

If they couldn't be bothered to put in trophies for the PS3 version but they implemented achievements for the 360 version, then i can't be bothered to buy their game. I am not all about trophies either. Since trophies have come out I have bought 2 new games and a few items off the PSN that dont support trophies. I bought them because I wanted them though. Star Wars was a game I was considering but didnt exactly want, but without trophies then I'm firm on saying no. With trophies I would probably have dropped the cash for it.

[asyouburn]

do you really need your consoles OS to tell yuo that yuo killed 14 dudes with a lightsaber? all trophies do is tell you what you already did. i dont need some jacka$$ going behind me looking at my trophies to tell me i did stuff in the game. i know how many dudes i've killed, levels i played, etc. you should buy the game for all the hard work that went into the GAME, not some stupid high score nonsense

[cherrypie]

@asburn above

"but the gamee is the same"

Here, let me make it clear for you.

Game + Medals & Achievements > Game.

See?

Perhaps *YOU* dont care for Medals and Achievements -- fine. But to argue that they are equal is just ridiculous. They *do* matter to many people, for whatever reason; and that is the point.

They are certainly not "the same".

[redgaurd]

play warhawk and you will start to acumulate a whole lot of trophies for doing some stuff you can't even remember doing. Then you will look back later at all the trophies and think wow that game was a lot of fun

[DJ]

As I'm sure many 360 owners can attest to, is that I'm getting a lot better at games like Uncharted and Warhawk. Instead of merely sticking to one play style, weapon, strategy, etc, I'm forced to explore every option and learn techniques that I traditionally would have ignored.

While the argument that "Trophies and Achievements take away from the core game experience" may be true, the flipside is that they force us to become better gamers.

[lukeb4dunk]

Even though a game may have trophies, I still play the first playthrough my way. Then the following playthroughs, I use to try and get the trophies.

Like you said, it forces me to play the game differently and become a more diverse player.

[benny o klaatt]

it has certainly improved my gaming. @ lukeb4dunk, thats exactly what i do

[redgaurd]

good point. I didnt even realise I was getting better at warhawk because of the trophies. But you are right, I do try new things because of them.

[yamamoto114]

I rofl at your disagrees, sir. Point well made.

[jonathansp]

stupid question. i pay for the game and i play the trophies if they are there. i don't care if there aren't any trophies and I'd still pay the same price a game without them.

[DethWish]

Probably for some idiots

Not for me

[kevnb]

I would really like to know.

[bunbun777]

How I can unlock her trophies!?

they're nice.

[zypher]

i want Trophy support, but i won't go to such extremes as refusing to buy games that don't support it. Achievements never dictated whether or not i got a multiplatform game on my 360, so why should i let Trophies determine whether or not i buy a game period? it's a sweet feature (much like custom soundtracks), but i don't think it's that important to a game.

[jay2]

Poeple who don't by a PS3 games just because theirs no trophy support are stupid, (This is in general, not refiring to Multi-platform).

[YoshiMeetsU]

Well if they do they must not own many games considering you can count the games with trophy support on one hand.

I just don't think this argument is even valid for the PS3 yet because Trophies are so far and few between.

[butterfinger]

Trophies have no effect on whether or not I buy a game from retail, but I do take them more into consideration when purchasing PSN titles. For example, I loved SSHD, but I didn't get the expansions until trophy support arrived, and I won't get BCR until trophy support is available. That's just my personal opinion.

[Sena Kobayashi]

Who needs trophies!? IMO The game comes before all those extras.when im done with the game I'll get to the achievements and trophies and etc etc.

[Cure]

if i want a game ill buy it regardless - however if it comes with trophies i could see the replay value increase...as i would want to go back and collect them all.

[Radiodread]

so you mean you never liked the idea of Trophies anyway. Good point neither did I, they're cheap knock-offs of achievements.

[pixelsword]

...So XBL is the copycat in all truth.

[dabizo]

I am unsure - it shows a lack of support from day one and I have already been bitten by EA/Valve with Orange Box, so I will skip it initially and sound it out.

[Zancruz]

I'm not an Idiot, trophies or achievements does not make the game good.... If you ask me they're a pretty dumb feature, that in the end does not matter.

[Closing]

I don't give two sh!ts about trophies.

[Bladestar]

I think if Sony will not enforce the addition of trophies to ALL(ALL) new games and probably all recent games they should of waited until their next console... not having trophies in all games can affect sales... I personally wouldn't play a game on the xbox 360 unless they have achievements... this is why I do not buy Xbox 360 'Originals' games... unless of course we are talking about some super must have game... but it will obviously make me think about it and try to see other alternatives before even considering buying it...

Trophies/achievements add playability.. and sometimes I see myself paying a game in multiple difficulty modes, different ways which translate to more value since I spend more time playing the games instead of buying another game... unlike when I used to play PS2 games... once you beat the game... there was no reason to own it anymore... I think out of all my xbox 360 games I own I never sold any of them... since I'm always thinking that I will eventually get those achievements I left behind...

[FantasyStar]

I'm not a whore, but I love the fact that even after the game's end; there's still some incentive to play, like secondary objectives. I'll try to get most of the smaller points, but big ones like getting every single item (LO Treasure Trove) is out of the question for me. I only enjoy getting achievements and trophies up to a certain point. If I see myself working on a game instead of playing it, I stop immediately.

[divideby0]

As a day one Live Gold charter member...I have always said...
I play games for fun not silly achievements/trophies are whatever.
I never looked at my gamer card and the same goes for my trophy collection. If I got something in return for this stuff, I'd maybe be slightly intrested

[okcomputer]

Thats what I've always said. gamer points (and now trophies) should be used to purchase add ons for the games you unlock them in. Obviously nothing big, but things like extra skins, concept art, interviews, characters, weapons, items etc should be unlockable through purchase points tied to your gamer score.

[IsThatSo]

Nobody cares for the PS3, thats why.

[gersh]

Am I one of the few not at all interested in the trophy support?

[lost2]

just like the xbox i s a cheap knock off of the PS2

[juuken]

A biiiig cheap knockoff. xD

[MAGNUM-RAM]

the 40 gb left unused by these 3rd party devs & paying equal price for a DVD.
The DVD is full with no space left. $60 dollars. The bluray has the entire DVD in the bluray with
room for 4 more DVDs.

That's like paying full price on a sliced bread sandwich &
paying for a hero sandwich with as much meat as the sliced bread sandwich.

Its like filling the gas tank on a scooter & & a monster truck has the a bathtub
size tank & paying equally for the drop of gas.

Its like tottally redundant dude.

[Adamalicious]

It's not going to stop me from playing a game that I want to play, but at this point it just seems really dumb to be releasing a game without trophies with no plans to even release a trophy patch - especially when you already went to the effort to make the achievements for the game. Including trophies, particularly right now when only a handful of games support them, would help them sell more games, period. And isn't that the point?

[neonchez]

i can't speak for all ps3 owners of course but i couldn't care less about trophies. i don't bother unlocking achievements on Live and i don't care if ps3 games don't have trophies.

[OGharryjoysticks]

Because the demo showed me outside of being Star Wars that the game was lame and so it doesn't matter if they have trophies for an average game.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

The do nothing ..........so why should i care

[NipGrip]

But imagine with Home..

Only Level 4 and above are allowed to get into this special room from Square-Enix or whatnot.

I have a feeling trophies will be implemented in many more ways than a simple scoreboard situation like Achievements. There is much more to come with this leveling system I would wager.

[BubblesDAVERAGE]

No Trophies = No Buy = No life

[NipGrip]

That's fairly harsh isn't it? People who enjoy playing *video games* with an added layer of finding treasures have no life? OOOOOooookkkkkaaayyy.. If you say so there powderpuff.

Showing off your accomplishments is nothing new. I suppose none of you have played an arcade game to get your name on the high score board? And then kept playing until you got first place? Nah.. You just "enjoyed the game" unlike the person aiming for 1st place or for that trophy that is very tough to get. (I'm looking at you, Uncharted Platinum.) Seriously.. After playing Uncharted on Crushing, I have a new respect for those on my friends list that have completed it. Without that Platinum trophy next to their list, the only other way to prove it was.. No way. You just kinda took their word.

Anyhow.. Enjoy playing your games, noone is taking that away from you by enjoying playing with trophies. And more devs supporting FULLY the PS3 and it's features is what we're aiming for here is all.

[unrealgamer58]

well i would rent a non trophy game

[gokuss122002]

1. Trophies should be in-game and add to the story and/or replay value.

example 1: if get you 30 head-shots, you would be asked to do basic sniper missions, 75 head-shots advanced missions etc.

example 2: if you earn a "medal" not only should the medals be visible but you should also be referred to and/or treated as if you have those medals. i.e. privileged info/access ect.

2. Trophies gained should not be mandatory but extras that enhance and/or differentiate the story and/or game-play.

example 1: in spider-man unlimited you had to accomplish x amount of specific things before you could progress in the story (this is not what I mean). Conversely, if you accomplished x amount of specific task you would receive extras such as customs etc.

example 2: you should be able to go through the entire game without having to "unlock" anything.

3. Trophies gained should be referred to in-game and bring about dialogue changes and preferably unlock addition story scenes etc.

example 1: "hey spidey, I like the new look" or "this is GENERAL Bob...he has *trophy 1*, *trophy 2*, *trophy 6* and *trophy 24*..."

example 2: you could have a auto-edit in-game resume that affect opportunities in the game.

4. Trophies should be hinted at in-game.

example 1:"

*edit*
5. (particularly in reference to multiplayer)trophies should unlock respectively unique items, weapons etc. i.e. when someone sees you with the "golden vest with the black diamond" as opposed to the "golden vest" they will automatically know that you not only beat the game on the hardest difficulty (golden vest), but you did it without dying or saving. or if they see you with the "red magnum" they know that you kill over 5000 people with it.

[No FanS Land]

The problem I have with trophies, is that knowing some games will not be retroactive (meaning you have to start a new savefile to get them), they lock me from playing the game! Why? I don't know, perhaps because I only wanna spend my time once on the game. Well thanks to criterion games (burnout series) their trophies will be retroactive.

[NipGrip]

I bought Novastrike after it gained trophy support only *because* of the trophy support honestly and I was sortof into those types of games. I found that the title wasn't bad at all for a $10 price point and the trophies were a nice bonus.

The interesting story would be interviews with companies that *have* enabled trophies to find out how their sales spiked after implementing them. I wonder how many copies of SSHD sold after trophies?

[NipGrip]

Also:

This reminds me of that Bob Marley song, how did it go?

"No trophies.. No buyyyy... NO TROPHIES NO BUY!"

("No Woman No Cry" anyone? Anyone? Bueller?)

[UnwanteDreamz]

You people who wont but a game because you it does not have trophies make me sick! What happened to buying a game for the experience of playing it? Most games keep track of stats for bragging rights so what is the big deal? Lame! you casual mfers are soo very lame. Imagine missing a game like FF7 because it doesn't have trophies. Would you pass on the next GOW because it does not have fn trophies? You ppl are whats wrong with games these days I just wish we could get back to what matters.

[NipGrip]

Because beating Uncharted in Crushing takes a "casual" gamer to do that.. Where does this foolish talk even come from? Noone is saying, "Wow.. I can't believe you guys would play a game without trophies." but some of you act as if you enjoy earning trophies you're not playing games or not a gamer or have no life? Haha.. Whatever, kids.

[otherZinc]

blame SONY! SONY is the company that chose to make the PS3 with Blu-ray instead of Rumble, Motion control, Home, Great Online, & Achievements!

SONY copies something late & you fanboys expect every developer to drop what their doing & make something up on the fly of creating a game for 3 friggin years? please, give me a break!

SONY is lazy, not developers.

[James Vanderbeek]

Looks as bad as my old tv show Dawsons Creek.. So i wont be buying that game anyways..

[NanoGeekTech]

With only a handful of PS3 games right now having trophy support..I would think form this point on..all games debuting on pS3 should have trophy support......

But I guess it takes a while for the transition....

[GameForFame]

Damn, I think it's nothing short of ridiculous that people would pass a game up for a single reason like trophies not being present. If a game is looking awesome, like Fallout3, I'm going to pick it up regardless. If someone just wants trophies then it sounds as if they aren't truly excited about the game...they just need more trophies for their lame a** trophy score. If someone isn't interested in a game and the game doesn't have trophies, then sure that'd be one more reason for them not to pick a game up...but I play games because of the games, not because of the little e-peen lenghtening trophies.

[Kratos3452]

I don't get it.Before trophies came out people were buying ps3 games.Now that some games have trophies those are the only ones they will buy?It's stupid.I won't buy a game just because it has trophies.Trophies just add replayability to a game and it helps you play it longer to get the trophies.

[jcfilth]

"If PS3 owners pay the same price for a game as Xbox 360 owners then they deserve equal features" <--- that right was meant to start a war,BullSh!it!!
Are trophies a good addition? Yes!! Do games need trophies to be good?NO!!
As long as the game is good I don't care much about trophies, I've enjoyed games without trophies or achivements since I remember.

[Figboy]

1985, and up until 2005, they did NOT include Trophies, or Achievements.

should i return those games to the store?

are the games suddenly not fun because a message doesn't pop up saying "Achievement Unlocked," or "You have earned a Trophy?"

was Uncharted suddenly "more awesome," than it already was when Naughty Dog released the Trophy patch?

i don't understand this obsession with Trophies or Achievements.

i was playing Pixel Junk Eden Saturday, having a blast, trying to beat the level, when all of a sudden, "You have earned a Trophy!" popped up. i was like, "really? hell, i wasn't even TRYING!" i shrugged, and continued having fun with the game.

maybe it's because i grew up at a time when their weren't Trophies (or even an internet; damn i'm old!), or Achievements, so i'm not conditioned to "buy" or "pass" on games that don't have them.

am i going to miss out on Fallout 3 on my PS3 because it doesn't have Trophies at launch? hell NO! i'm buying that b*tch day one.

would i not be excited for Little Big Planet if it didn't include Trophies? hell NO! it was the GAME that always had my interest and excitement, and somehow i doubt that those folks that have been ga ga over Little Big Planet since it's debut at GDC 07 would suddenly say, "man, i don't WANT that game now," if Media Molecule hadn't confirmed Trophies for the game at launch.

i think this current generation of gamers have forgotten what gaming is.

Trophies, Achievements, they're just BONUSES, and not a gamebreaking feature.

now, consider this:

the first Fable was originally slated to have a co-op campaign. a few weeks before it's release, Lionhead cut co-op from the game. that was a GAMING FEATURE that was promised for a LONG time, and was part of my personal interest in the game (i wanted to play with friends).

now, what would you gamers rather have?

what if Lionhead announced that Fable 2 wouldn't have Achievements, but would have co-op?

what if they announced that the title would have Achievements (a "feature" many 360 gamers love), but wouldn't have co-op?

what is more important to you?

this is a hypothetical, "if you could only choose one," scenario.

it's fortunate that Fable 2 has BOTH, but what if it had to be one or the other, WHAT would you 360 owners prefer? the Achievements, or the co-op features?

what if Little Big Planet only had trophies, with no online co-op (but DID have offline co-op)?

what if it only had co-op (and offline co-op), but didn't have Trophies?

which would you PS3 owners prefer? the online co-op, or the Trophies?

to both 360 and PS3 fans? WHAT would be more fun? getting a message saying "Achievement Unlocked," and "You have earned a Trophy," or playing online with your buds and having some amazing gaming moments together? WHAT effects gameplay more? the message, or the option to play with pals?

fortunately, you can get BOTH in the two games above, but i'm just trying to put things in perspective. i'd much rather have a game in my hands with ALL of it's pertinent, and ACTUAL "features" in place, than a few Trophies/Achievements.

but again, i grew up playing games where those sorts of bonuses didn't exist, so i'm used to not having it, and it doesn't affect my enjoyment of a game in any way.

[Wii60Fan]

Is moot about fable since the game came out at a time when network online play wasn't as significant as it is now.

[Figboy]

Xbox LIVE had a very strong, and growing userbase, thanks to games like Halo 2.

while it's true that the infrastructure wasn't as massive as it is now, it was still there, and co-op Fable would have just helped further that, as, instead of FPS fans clamoring to get online, you'd have had RPG GAMERS clamoring to get online and play with friends.

it would have opened more doors.

but my point still stands; i would prefer to have ACTUAL gameplay features in my game, instead of Trophies or Achievements.

Trophies/Achievements are nice diversions, but they don't add or subtract to the quality and enjoyment of a game.

is Bomberman Act Zero better than Resistance?
NO.

but Bomberman: Act Zero has Achievements, so doesn't that automagickally make it a win over Resistance?

NO.

Resistance is a great game, regardless of Trophies. hell, it already has medals and badges you can unlock by performing certain tasks, so what difference does it make if those medals/badges, add to an "gamer score," of sorts?

i don't need to be validated by my games to make me feel like i'm good at something. i don't need to brag to my friends that i was up all night unlocking a Trophy/Achievement, and therefore, i'm an "uber-leet" gamer.

i play games to have fun. i play games to entertain myself. games were fun AND entertaining BEFORE Achievements/Trophies, and they still would be if such bonuses didn't exist.

like i said, they're nice to have, but they aren't game-breaking.

[Wii60Fan]

out of me it felt like playing a game in a vacuum. Sold my ps3 and never regretted it. 360 and wii all the way.

[Figboy]

WHY are you in this thread? it's about Trophies, meaning, Playstation 3.

why troll then?

[Jacobite]

I can't be bothered with trophies & achievements, I just enjoy the game for being a game, dont need these things telling me how well I'm doing or not. Should be an option for turning them off, they just don't do nothing for me, then again what ever rocks your boat

[UnwanteDreamz]

Wii60 shouldn't you be in a corner somewhere pulling the wings off of a fly?

[GarandShooter]

He's too busy pulling something behind his fly.

[lmao247]

developers who are releasing the same title on the 360 and ps3 should indefinitly have trophy support, because they already have acheivements implemented. Games having trophy support at this point in the ps3's life will probably increase the sales by a lot. I know normally I would not buy a buzz game. BUT it has trophy support and I need a good party game so come next week I am getting buzz for ps3

[Bebedora]

They should have a trophy system in schools....and there goes my bubles LOL

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

Bethesda is not including trophies??
Huh Trophies are cool however not that important but if they can put them in a 360 game why not PS3??
get off your lazy arses and do it!!

[Mr402]

If it's a multiplatform game I usually play it on 360. for the achievement points. I also try to find out what the lead development platform is. Until recently it was the 360. Now must haves like MGS4 have no need to add trophy's for me to purchase them. It's nice to have them but it doesn't make or break a system. Good quality games do and that above all else is what Sony should concentrate on.

[Killjoy3000]

That picture is fantastic..

[drdistracto707]

i think the trophies add replayability, competition, and overall a new dimension to gaming

[wildcat]

Metal Gear Solid 4 = No Buy?

[KiddyBrownTurd]

have they? almost didn't notice.

[Bits-N-Kibbles]

Hopefully games will start doing unlockables for say "Home"

Or

Unlock behind he scenes videos, or gear in specific games

For example: In SOCOM Confrontation, you unlock 75% of the trophies for the game and you unlock a certain gun like maybe the IW80. At 100% maybe you unlock a ghilly suit option.

All I'm saying is there need to be incentives for trophies or they are kinda useless except to add game playing time and to brag to your friends that you own a certain game that you've unlocked trophies in....

- Bits-N-Kibbles

[NiteWarrior]

Its not on the same level as achievements but it is definetly cool and i dont think any1 who is not a complete total nerd cares about achievments anyway. U pay for the game..

[bunbun777]

Seriously- who cares? Trophies! The only thing I can think of that should be interesting is the gamer level being tied to the amount of trophies you have acquired. What do you get for having a bigger than usual gamer level? (not girls) Probably some cool unlock able home stuff like a giant cape and a regal crown- so i can go around in my underwear and yell out....

"I am the #1 Gamer! Evah!"

Yay for trophies, yay for pokemon, yay for gaming.

[bigman7387]

So basically what I've been hearing from this thread is the equivalence of only watching a movie if you get a sticker that told everyone else you watched it, or reading a book (yes they still exist) only if you get a shiny bookmark at the end, or only having friends if you're given a present after you get drunk with them.

Doesn't really make much sense at all, at least to me. The fun should come from the game itself, not a pop-up message.

[mt]

sometimes trophies do not tell whether u will be a game or not it is just for the good of the game itself like uncharted it is great game but when done it i just left and forget about it but now with trophies i have made it to the ends two times and i still got some lefeover trophies .

[mt]

by the way the girl in the pic is so dam hot .

[Shortstop]

Trophies were a bad idea because Microsoft thought of them first... lol but no really, they suck. For offline games, I don't see a problem with them, but for online they do nothing productive. All you get is a bunch of people trying to get trophies and completely ignoring the team aspects. All you end up with is a bunch of individuals who want to get something as pointless as trophies.

If you're over 18 and you're a trophy whore... I don't know what to say to you, but please don't do it online.

[enjoi187]

it doesnt matter......i have never heard of anyone buying/not buying......a console for achievement or trophies.....even though Sony is a little to late...by like 2 years..

[ASSASSYN 36o]

I say you should also boycott any ps3 game that does not allow cross game private chat, cross game text messages, in-game custom soundtracks, and cross game invites.

[Blaze929]

very ironic how the people who care about this...are the same ones who bashed achievements....

You dont buy a game because of trophies then your an idiot

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

all this back pedaling to get features in. I like having achievements and trophies in my games for both my 360 and PS3. But I've been getting my achievements on 360 since day 1, Im not about to replay some of my PS3 games just to unlock trophies. Although they were good games example (uncharted, resistance, mgs4, heavenly sword)... the most replay value I've found were in Resistance and MGS4 due to online. Actually scratch that... unlocking/finding all possible stuff in MGS4 and Uncharted did add replay value. I replayed Uncharted A LOT back in the day to find all the relics/artifacts, lol. I unlocked tons of stuff on that list... But Im just really bummed that trophies weren't there from the get go. I take pride whenever I beat levels, do certain hard combos, etc.. That it already feels rewarding, but it doubles the feeling whenever you get a achievement/trophie, at least to me that is!. Just like trophies though, I wish EVERY game on PS3 had some form of PSN interativity/function... like live... one can dream!

[Thugbot187]

Stupid...It's about the game not the stupid trophies and achivement points.

[Genki]

Trophies add no tangible value to a game, period.

I enjoy my games because they're fun, it's as simple as that. I don't spend time mindlessly executing some menial task in a game just so I can get a cute little sticker that says "gold trophy" on it.

[Enigma_2099]

... I didn't give a d*mn about Trophies when they were called "Achievement Points..."

[Knightofelemia]

I could care less about achievment points on the xbox or trophies on the Ps3 i just buy games to play if i find a hidden thing who cares i don't need a trophy to show it. Most people just play the games now see how many trophies they get or points. I play the games cause they are relaxing and to avoid the girlfriend when she is bord out of her mind

[darkdoom3000]

I heard they are making throphies compulsory for 09 and onwards. they didnt make it compulsory this year cause it could delay games meaning them not being ready for holiday season

[LeonSKennedy4Life]

Sony needs to smack developers in the face, like Microsoft. They FORCE developers to use trophies and Xbox Live.

[zag]

In 10+ years... I've never needed a pic of a cup to make me buy a game let alone play it, in fact I've only looked at them once in the 2 months I take it they have been out.

That's how much I have cared about such a feature.

it's a bit funny they way some people deal with this, it's like they would rather have a pic of a cup than say decent GFX in a game.

[JasonX43]

Achievements have turned gamers into idiots. Instead of playing games because they're, oh, I don't know, FUN, they'd rather try for trophies than just play a game! Boo the author of this article! Boooooooooooo!

[Lou-Cipher]

I will buy any game that I think might be enjoyable, but it does suck that some games dont come with trophies.

I am glad to see stories like this in the press. I wish there were more articles about the lack of trophies in games that dont have any good reason to not be applied. It only applies pressure to developers to quit being lazy a$$ jerkoffs, and place in PS3 games what is already available on the 360 version of the game.

For example
Why did Microsoft give out a 3 year warranty on 360?
It was because the RROD was being printed in every gaming magazine and posted in every gaming website.
Do you think Microsoft would have done anything about RROD if it was not printed almost everywhere for everyone to see? (probably not)

As much as we all dislike reading stories about the failings of our favorite systems or our favorie games, we should all realize that those negative stories are the best way to get Microsoft,Nintendo,Sony,and the game developers to pull their heads out of their a$$

[pornflakes]

90% of all 360 gamers care about their gamerscore and achievments in game.
and 90% of PS3 owners dont care, lol.
Its just the fact that nobody would care about a trophy system which works with 50%... Sony did a mistake that devs can decide about it.

The same thing will be with HOME, promised Beta Release Date was autuum 2 years ago. Believe me that Home will be the biggest flop since Lair. And MS with their Avatars will have like ALWAYS for their console a perfect working system.

You get what you pay for. Jump in.

[Zun]

[quote]Jump in[/quote]

kill urself

[rekonizakilla]

shut up little boy my brothers on his 4th 360. You get what you pay for

[breakdancefight]

Bethesda has a history of changing their stories and backtracking on a a lot of things. Take for example Oblivion, when it was announce for the PS3 Knights of the nine was suppose to be exclusive to the PS3. After about a week of that being the case, they switched their story and it was now available for the 360. Then 360 got shivering isles. Bethesda said something along the lines of (now this isn't an exact quote, so rabid fanboys back off), since PSN doesn't yet have a standard payment type (example: microsoft point) they would not release as DLC. This was the case for months. And because real money doesn't count in the gamer world (PSN accepts credit) we would have to wait for GOTY, or a separate disc which both were released. I own both and PS3 is still missing all the additional quest of the 360 and Rumble. It is still the far superior looking version, even with the supposed graphical overhaul on the 360 (it still has the pea soup grass at a distance and horrible pop in.) But it does have achievements and isn't that why I threw away hundreds of hour of my life for that little chime? yep! I don't know how many of gaming friends on here can say that they have been a gamer for 28yrs, but I can. And with the economy being what it is, if one feature is cut from a AAA title, no matter how pathetic it may sound I will not be buying the title lacking features. I do not have disposable income.

[Serg]

The way I see it, making the decision for Trophy support up to the devs. is Sonys new marketing strategy, they include Trophy support in their own 1st and 2nd party lineup (which is the size of China) knowing Trophy supported games sell better. This leaves the "lazy" competition in the background while Sonys games are selling like hotcakes.

Not a nice strategy, but a very effective one.

[N2NOther]

I'll just get the 360 version.

[Djomblade1]

Sorry but who gives a s**t about trophies or achievements. Its ruining the original love of just playing a damn good game for the sake of playing a damn good game. People need to quit giving such a damn about their DURRRR "online status because they havent found their place in the real world yet" BS. Original gamers dont really give a damn about crap like this but Im sure all the new age gamers (i.e. the ones ruining gaming as we know it today) eat it up. Whoopdi dooo for you. Clap. Clap. Run along now and go get your virtual trophies and achievements so we can hang them up on our virtual wall. Oh gosh, Im so proud of you. LOLLOLLOL.

[Cajun Chicken]

Well said!
This headline and the attitude of people demanding either trophies/achievements just show how shallow some gamers have got.

I just see them as house points and merits, I didn't like being given them as 'treats' at high school either, it felt like I was being talked down and not being treated as an grown adult.
Same how I feel about the way achievements and trophies are used these days, I wish they'd use them for more creative purposes than just completing a level or doing a tutorial.
Its very rare a game has achievements or trophies actually putting the time and effort into getting.
So I just usually unlock them unwittingly, I don't AIM to get them.
Like how Ratchet and Clank's 'Skill Points' worked on PS2.

[N2NOther]

Did you ever play games in an arcade? Sorry, but there is a long running history of the concept of a "high score" at work here. Plus, it's one thing to care to the point of obsession, but another thing entirely to want as many options as possible. Me? I like the OPTION of Achievements as opposed to not having the option at all.

[rekonizakilla]

the games i enjoy playing i play ,the games i don't enjoy playing i don't play . Whoever gives a sh1t about a trophy good for you but remember you're seriously lame.I don't know about you but i work 6 days a week and i like to make the finer things in life like good games last,
especially as we only get to see two or three good games a year.
So you can take your achievements and trophies and shove em up your dirt box.
P.S sorry I'm drunk

[JohnnyAkiba]

I cant wait to play GT5 with trophies... It´s going to be awesome!!

[ReBurn]

To each his own, right? I like the idea of achievements and trophies because they me a reason to re-play the game. It is personal incentive for me. If people don't like them, that's fine.

[UnwanteDreamz]

I love the strawman arguements NIPGRIP. Who said that real gamers don't like trophies? The title was No Trophies No Buy. I guess the kids need to explain reading comp to you. The point is not supporting trophies may be a drawback but a dealbreaker I think not. The true gamer wants the game not the gimmick.

[Jacobite]

I think most PS3 owners not that bothered about trophies lol