Are Tomb Raider and Uncharted Too Similar?

"Curtis and I chat about the Uncharted and Tomb Raider franchises. We ask ourselves if they are too similar." -- PlayStation Enthusiast

[SeanScythe]

No one is awesome, fun, incredible story, action packed and graphically unmatched. The other is tomb raider....

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

I thought the reboot was awesome, fun, and graphically great. It was trying to hard to be Uncharted when it came to the action and the story was meh, but the gameplay made up for that.

Something doesn't feel right about RoTR to me. The game is just boring. Maybe I'm too spoiled by Uncharted and its charm and action. I'll have to give it another go. I stopped playing after the very first chapter when it launched on PS4.

Also I think I know the "issue" some people have with the shooting in Uncharted 4. In RoTR and the reboot for the matter, the shooting feels too casual with barely any recoil or gun feedback, while in Uncharted you have to hold the right stick to control the gun. Is that what some call "floaty" these days?

[Hoffmann]

The reboot is like Tomb Raider for dummies. Not half as difficult as the games before it.

[morganfell]

Tomb Raider became far more like Uncharted with the reboot. Someone felt that drama was needed to make a great adventure game. This is really what hurt the Uncharted series for me. And note I said for me, as in the way I view the game. Certainly not for most people. They are happy with it. For me it became too serious, too much drama, and too little of the Die Hard 1 John McClane attitude. The difference between Uncharted and Uncharted 4 is as vast as the sea.

Tomb Raider used to be about exploration and amazing puzzles and it sold its soul to head into the same direction that lessened Uncharted for me.

[Lennoxb63]

@Hoffmann

You thought the past Tomb Raiders were difficult?

[kraenk12]

The story and especially Lara's character are pretty weak in the game. The gameplay isn't bad though.

[Jon_Targaryen]

You're joking right??? ROTR is awesome in every way of the word. I dont understand what you mean by charm Uncharted gives.. Do you mean Bromances??? ROTR did something better than UC4 and vice versa.

Plus all the UC4 plotholes kinda annoyed me...

[bouzebbal]

speaking for myself only, i really dislikes the TR reboot. I loved running around exploring and solving puzzles in previous episodes it was so rewarding to reach next area.
I think I would have liked it if it was a new series with another name, and that they kept TR as it was.
Every Uncharted episode is a new standard in terms of visual fidelity, storytelling, acting anf of course gameplay that even his majesty Tomb Raider got inspired by it.
Tells a little bit about Uncharted impact on action games in general

[deafdani]

Fanboy alert, fanboy alert.

[SeanScythe]

How so I own both games. I like Uncharted over tomb raider, the story is way better and characters are far more interesting. Not to mention the gameplay and graphics are polished to the best they can be.

[robtion]

I still want to see a crossover game. Make it happen ND and CD.

[Sion8626]

Best Reply ive seen today lol

[Orionsangel]

No, they're both awesome, depending on your taste. One has better story telling and acting. That would be Uncharted. Tomb Raider has better free roaming exploration where Uncharted is short burst of exploration and relies too heavily with sections of the game on rails. I personally enjoy both series. I like some things more about Uncharted and some things better about Tomb Raider. For example I enjoy the Bow and Arrow and hunting in Tomb Raider. You can't get that in Uncharted. I enjoy the humor in Uncharted. Tomb Raider is too serious.

[Skuibbles]

Tomb Raider Trilogy was a great puzzle exploration game. Tomb Raider Reboot and Uncharted are two high-budget block-buster games with no real quality or substance (they're the MCU of video gaming.)

[kraenk12]

I assume you haven't played U4 then.

[Kurdishcurse]

agreed. especially Uc. i mean this franchise has the worst enemy variety i have ever seen in a game. you litteraly fight just one thing with different clothes in the whole franchise. excluding the weird gorilla things in uc2 or 3. cant seem to remember since its so forgetable. tomb raider at the very least had wolves and bears for gods sake. uncharted is such a cheap and lazy game with its only saving grace being the acting and story. gameplay is horrible though.

[badz149]

No real quality? Troll alert!

[Skuibbles]

No I haven't played UC4 but that's beside the point. TR reboot came out before UC4, so if it's truly similar, then it'd be based on the first 3 installations. And both have no real substance to them.

[xTim_Kutta]

Well said buddy. TR is a joke.

[deafdani]

And it's okay that you prefer one franchise to the other (I love the Uncharted games as well), but your post sort of implied that Tomb Raider sucks.

[Kurdishcurse]

too bad both are a boring and cheap slog. but u know whats a fact? that without tomb raider, there would be no Uc. and facts dont change depending on how many dislikes this comment gets. unlike your insecure and naive comment.

[Trekster_Gamer]

SeanScythe

Spoken like a blind dumb ass fanboy

[Tsar4ever01]

I know THIS much, The TR reboot is Definitely inspired off the UC franchise. But also, it can be said that allot, if not all of the Uncharted series general "play mechanics" were influenced off the older TR series off Ps1/Ps2 era, with also some inspirations of "story telling" borrowed from movies like "Indiana Jones" and "Romancing the Stone".

But keeping simple, but stupid. UC and TR reboot has allot of general similarities

[XanderZane]

Actually, both of them are awesome, fun and have a decent story. UC4 is probably physical better and more detailed, but both games aren't the same. They have differences, which make it worth owning both.

[Thatguy-310]

Right now yes if Tomb raider stuck to its roots then that wouldn't be the case.

[robtion]

Both great franchises. I think there is room for both. It's kind of like saying are Battlefield and CoD too similar just because they are both in the military fps genre.

[UltraNova]

BF and COD are far far more different than Uncharted and TR is right now. Crystal Dynamics made a more serious Uncharted clone with some added hunting elements and arcady shooting mechanics.

Can both exist as is? Yeah probably. Would it benefit TR to go back to its exploration and puzzle solving roots? Yes it would greatly.

I will get RotTR eventually because I've played every single TR game ever made and I m a big fun of the series. This is exactly why I dont like their new direction. They took something unique and made it into a clone, a worse quality one.

[ThePope]

@Ultra

The ONLY way TR and UC are the same is that they are both 3rd person, and involve treasure hunting, and have a cinematic story. TR has passed UC in every way. Its an open world game with environment puzzles, weapon upgrades, and actual tombs to explore that offer even more puzzles, and crafting. UC has not one of those things. Yes they both have cover based systems, so do lots of games, and they both have....pistols? I mean seriously outside of the first two things I mentioned they couldn't be more different.

Whats sad to me is I think a lot of the comments on here wouldn't exist if the game didn't come out first on X1. I have both systems and have played every UC game and both the TR reboots. This last UC game was by far the weakest in the series (and by far the best graphics). So I can only assume it gets all the praise it does because of the graphics, nostalgia, or because people want to be able to say LOOK WHAT MY SYSTEM HAS!!! We should be asking for far more from ND and the UC series than a prettier game we played 10 years ago.

[-Foxtrot]

I'll say it before you know who jumps in

Tomb Raider (original games) and even the second reboot (Legends/Underworld) felt like they were their own thing.

If you take away how old the games were along with the ancient graphics, old controls and pointy titties then you still had a fantastic third person platform-puzzle game with shooting elements. It was challenging as you had to watch your step the entire way looking out for deadly predators, booby traps and a variety of potential deathly hazards. The small wrong move while jumping a massive gap could end up killing you while being a few inches to the right could stop a massive boulder from rolling over you.

Uncharted was also a platforming game and he was a treasure hunter...however he was more of a thief. Those two things are the only things which really link the original Tomb Raider games and Uncharted together. Uncharted was more about bringing gamers a cinematic experience like those found in big action films which is why ND looked at something like Indiana Jones or the Mummy for inspiration. To say the original Tomb Raider games and Uncharted are exactly the same or that Tomb Raider has always been like what Uncharted has given us don't have a clue what they are talking about.

The reboot of Tomb Raider we've got now basically looked at the success of Uncharted and were like "lets do that...except we'll have small open world hubs instead of levels and small RPG elements". They even took small crafting thing from the Last of Us with the reboot sequel...and YES I know crafting wasn't created in the Last of Us it's a gameplay feature which has been around for decades but crafting a bomb in Rise of the Tomb Raider looks and feels like it was ripped from the Last of Us. It's a little transparent when they literally ripped off Uncharted in the first game.

I love Tomb Raider and the rebooted games are high quality games which are very well made but if they decided to slap a new new on those games I probably could enjoy them a lot more because that's what they are, it's a new IP using an old IP name to sell more units.

I really hope they do a third game and after that reboot it again with the original Lara Croft. I'd rather see a survival like games with her origin story in the Himalayas after a plane crash kills her parents and fiancée then what we got. I just don't get how they can sell the new reboot as a "survival" game then have regen health, it's like they were trying to be so much like Uncharted they even threw out of core Tomb Raider mechanic which would have added onto that survival element.

I just want Tomb Raider back...that's all, not RC Cola ̶U̶n̶c̶h̶a̶r̶t̶e̶d̶ Tomb Raider

[Deadpooled]

"U̶n̶c̶h̶a̶r̶t̶e̶d̶"

How do you type words like that?

[-Foxtrot]

Magic. No but seriously I got an add on for Firefox that does it. Can't remember where I got it.

I've never used it and saw the opportunity lol

[darthv72]

Well said. i can respect where both series came from / heading. I liked TR since it debuted on Saturn and been a fan ever since. when uncharted debuted, it was TR on a whole nother level. Good stuff either way.

[-Foxtrot]

It was like ND took a genre LIKE Tomb Raider and as you've said took it to a whole other level.

However with the reboot Tomb Raider it's an almost copied and paste job.

That's the difference between the two.

While ND took inspiration from a variety of different things ranging from games and films to create this brand new experience for the gaming industry, Crystal Dynamics just looked at Uncharted and were like "lets do that", it was the main and almost only inspiration for them.

[GNCFLYER]

My thoughts exactly.

The original TR was one of my favs ever. Coming from 2d side scrollers to 3d it was my first. And I absolutely love the series.

Then ND came along and built a better one starring Nathan Drake (initials ND) and Sullivan.

Havent played the latest TR, waiting to open my pro and psvr since it's the ultimate experience.

[starchild]

@Foxtrot

"While ND took inspiration from a variety of different things ranging from games and films to create this brand new experience for the gaming industry, Crystal Dynamics just looked at Uncharted and were like "lets do that", it was the main and almost only inspiration for them."

What you are saying is completely skewed. Uncharted borrowed quite a bit from Tomb Raider starting with the first game. So much so that it was nicknamed "dude raider". I'm not saying it was a copy, but people could clearly see the similarities and influence.

The Tomb Raider reboots helped to modernized the franchise, but the fact they became more cinematic had more to do with a general trend in gaming rather than anything specific to Uncharted. I do think that Uncharted did a fantastic job in that area and it definitely exerted a certain influence on the entire industry, including Tomb Raider, in terms of the quality of its presentation and cinematic storytelling. But, again, it was something already happening in the industry and a Tomb Raider reboot was almost certainly going to become more cinematic, regardless of whether Uncharted had existed or not. Uncharted just did it better than most and helped to raise the bar.

Tomb Raider and Uncharted have both been influenced by each other and by many other games. It's incredible to me that you can sit there and call Uncharted a "brand new experience" while making it sound like the modern Tomb Raider games are these terrible, highly derivative experiences. That's just so ridiculously biased and divorced from reality that it's hard to take you seriously.

[-Foxtrot]

Starchild

It was a new experience. How many cinematic games with full on mo cap acting and fantastic character development have you seen with great acting

It felt like a film and nothing was like it at the time. It was a brand new experience whether you like it or not

I would go on but like usual it sounds like you've spat your dummy out

Oh and hard to take me seriously compared to what you say most of the time. Pot calling kettle black huh

[ThePope]

Well said Starchild!

@foxtrot

What Starchily said was articulate and completely spot on. But you did get him with "I would go on but like usual it sounds like you've spat your dummy out " well done you sure showed him!

[robtion]

What did you think of TR: Underworld? Personally I really dug it and completed it a bunch of times. Definitely appreciated the less serious tone.

[-Foxtrot]

I liked it but they had a lot of things I thought they would have improved on from Legends but never did.

The thing I hated about Legends and Underworld is that it tried to tell an on going story. It tried too hard in that department. It related to the first games villain, added a childhood friend like Amanda to give Lara a backstory, made it about her mother so we could try and find/save her. It felt too much.

It was a reboot and I think for the first game they should have just had a more simple story before going all on out on it. It's like they thought it was going to be a trilogy.

I do like the reveal trailer for Underworld though...if that counts for something ha.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[robtion]

@Foxtrot

Yes I remember that trailer. I think the story was pretty weak but the gameplay was varied(I liked the diving), there was a lot of exploration, and the puzzles were good.

As I said, while I am still a big fan of the reboot I do think it has gone too heavy on the combat. Also not a fan of the new PC Lara. I prefer the fun/sexy Lara of old.

[Deadpooled]

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The other is Tomb Raider.

[demonddel]

Nope Uncharted is more family friendly Tomb Raider is more hardcore and before you come for my neck Hardcores do love some Uncharted

[SouljAx360]

Well, Tomb Raider is definitely more hardcore than Uncharted. I wouldn't exactly call Uncharted family friendly with all the hundreds of mercenaries Drake has killed.

[demonddel]

It's more simple what I was trying to say something like GTAV and the call of duty games

[xDealtwithIt]

One has been around, continuesly builds lore, changes with the times, becomes better with every iteration, has a strong lead that means something, a cultural icon and the other is Uncharted, overrated, overhyped and just plain overboard.

But all in all its a stupid comparison. Similar themes doesnt mean the guys are ripping each other off. There's only so much you can do with the design or controls for a third person shooter.

[gangsta_red]

Agreed, that's like saying is Battlefield is too similar to CoD. Both are first person and you shoot people.

The theme and the story for Uncharted and TR are very different, the controls are pretty much standard for most third person action games with minor differences.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Wow so edgy. No real argument here just a fanboy talking shit about a PS exclusive.

What a surprise s/

[xDealtwithIt]

You dont seem to have the same feelings with the same comments above directed at TR.

Why the vitriol for my opinion about Uncharted?

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Except I have an argument againts and towards both unlike you

[starchild]

Oh what a surprise the fanboys in this article are predictably putting Tomb Raider down and saying Uncharted is way better, but you don't seem to have any problem with that.

I think both series are great and they both have things they do better than the other. Are you going to jump down my throat now because I didn't say Uncharted is superior in every way?

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

I don't jump on people's throat for not liking what I do. I don't care what you like, but to come to a forums with no real argument just to give the other game the edge is just fanboy talk.

At least those who prefer Uncharted give a reason to why they do so. Did that guy did the same? "the other is Uncharted, overrated, overhyped and just plain overboard." yeah ok! The same talk you hear from xbox fanboys whenever a PS exclusive does well compared to theirs. So edgy!

I embrace both series equally. No reason to be hating either because I can't play them unlike him. If I get into a discussion comparing both, I make sure to have compelling arguments for both. I don't usually do that because it is silly to prefer one over the other when I can play both on PS4

[SeanScythe]

Some xboy just crying he didn't get to play any of the uncharted games.

[xTim_Kutta]

Lol, yep he is pathetic saddo uncle phil cock sucker.

[SeanScythe]

Uncharted didn't change what it was to get people to play it. Tomb raider changed what it was to get people to play it.

[xDealtwithIt]

Tomb Raider evolved to fit with every console and the power they each provided.

Uncharted pretty much didn't change or evolve at all from its first release.

[kraenk12]

@xDealWithIt

Shut it Rookie.

[UCForce]

How about you need to understand that UC 4 ? Calling overrated is something that you never play UC series. ROTR never have a strong character development. UC 4 make every characters likable and memorable.

[xTim_Kutta]

As if a POS xbox fangirl would know something about uncharted. Fuckin loser.

[iliimaster]

after playing uncharted 1,2 and i never beat 3 and never wanted to buy part 4 my complaint is way too many damn puzzles and not enough flow enough to where i put part 3 down and didin't consider part 4, tomb raider to me was a breath of fresh air, i even liked the multiplayer got to rank 60 unlocked lara,

[Deadpooled]

You could have looked online for how to complete the puzzle (the one with the four squares and moving them around the wall was dodgy and I had to search online to solve it, and even seeing the solution I still had no idea how the solution was found). This was the only puzzle I had to go online for the solution, but some puzzles took a while to complete including some in Uncharted 4 which interrupted the pace of the game.

Edit - this one https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Caffo01]

Too many puzzles in uncharted? Lol i always hoped there were more.. You wouldn t have liked the old tomb raider then..

[UltraNova]

Another modern day gamer whose ideal game would be one that played it self without him not breaking a sweat...thank god for Miyazaki...

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

The only moment I thought of TR was in the later chapter in U4 where I used a piton to climd soft walls. It felt like climbing with a pickaxe in TR. I'm glad they did not overused it, or else the TR rippoff would have been too much to ignore

That is as far as U4 went taking some ideas from TR. You can't say the as me thing about TR when it tries to hard with the action set pieces. Uncharted was not only the inspiration for TR to rise again, but even TLoU influenced RoTR with some mechanics. Cristal Dynamics looks up to Naughty Dog a lot. It is too obvious

It is a good thing that both devs look up to each other. I never saw this silly arguments before RoTR was exclusive to Xbox that much. It seems the fanboys finally found something to try to bash Uncharted. For us PS4 owners it is silly to compare the two because we can play both.

If you still prefer TR over Uncharted, good for you regardless of console preference. For all the other fanboys who want to talk shit about Uncharted being Overrated and bla bla, know this: Uncharted 4 beat RoTR critically and financially. The Gotys that U4 will rock will be the last pinch of salt we will get from you for our Margaritas. Case closed!

[PlayableGamez-]

But you sound like a fanboy yourself.
You didn't approach your argument objectively.

[xDealtwithIt]

@playablegamez

Agreed, he never argued or debated both games. All he basically said was UC4 is the best, then goes on to talk about console fanboys as if that was ever the reason or case when comparing the two GAMES.

He then closes it out by stating how UC4 is a finacial and critical success more than TR, again that has nothing to do with comparing the actual two games except to boast how UC4 is better as if those things matter to a person's individual opinion.

But this is how most eccentric sony fanboys act. They crap on your opinion then state theirs and pass it off as objective then instead of discussing gameplay they base their own personal fun on metacritic or how successful the game was.

[UCForce]

Same goes with you. He has loyalty with Sony. You are also have loyalty with MS.

[Stogz]

Lol this is a perfect example of pot meet kettle...

[UltraNova]

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[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Nowhere I said one is better than the other. I just discussed their similarities. You asume I prefer Uncharted because I'm a PS fanboy? That'd be silly because I have both games. No need to turn down either because I can't play them unlike you

The reason is put the last sentence is for tryhards like yourself saying stuff like Uncharted is Overrated and bunch of crap like if it was all true when it is just your hating opinion. You have no real argument to compare and instead just took a dump on Uncharted. You have no played it not you have a PS4. You can try all you want to turn down the game but that is not what the critics agreed on. That is just trolling

Also you stating that TR is a icon and bla bla is irrelevant to this day. That barely counts specially when the series stayed dead for years

[JumpAction]

There's nothing wrong with that. :)

Plenty of room for two series to tackle similar ideas with diversions of their own, especially when people like it so much.

Games like this may not be my cup of tea, but both franchises have huge fanbases and should continue to evolve with one another to push this style of game along.

[Profchaos]

Yeah they have similarities but is that really a bad thing?

[Fist4achin]

Lame argument. Is COD too similar to BF, or mortal Kombat too similar to street fighter, or final fantasy too similar to dragon quest?! Come on...

[quent]

Just like most ubisoft games are the COD'S of open world sandbox games, so are these TR reboots of its genre, they are drab uninspired,repetitive, boring, soulless, collectathon with no identity of its own and on top of that has a spaz for a main character which is completely robotic with no personality whatsoever with little to no reason for being in her own videogame.

Lara Croft: Tombraider, only in name.

[Rumb13stiltzkin]

I was totally underwhelmed by Uncharted 4's gameplay, but impressed with its cinematic storytelling.

I think the former is overlooked for the latter.

Tomb Raider is the richer gaming experience. Leveling up, learning new skills, crafting, unlocking new weapons, discovering hidden puzzles, items, and lore - there's much more to see and do than there is in Uncharted.

I couldn't help but feel that I was just going through the motions in Uncharted 4 to get to the next cutscene. I like the characters, the story, and there were some fantastic set pieces throughout, but the gameplay hasn't evolved since the first game in the series and I was very aware of that fact.

Both fantastic games, both VERY different experiences.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

So you either didn't play 4 or didn't play the previous uc games because to sit there with a straight face and try to say that the gameplay hasn't evolved since the first game is a load of fanboy horse s**t.

[Rumb13stiltzkin]

In what ways has the gameplay evolved since the first title? The grappling hook?

The climbing mechanics, combat, stealth - all unchanged. Hell, even the very first Uncharted had vehicles.

Can you point to gameplay mechanics UC4 has that the others don't...?

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Lol dude the climbing,combat and stealth mechanics have Def evolved since uc 1 especially the combat and stealth. The first uc did not have vehicles it had a jet ski section that controlled horribly there was nothing like the Jeep sections in uc 4. I never said uc 4 had gameplay mechanics that other games don't have so I don't know where you pulled that bulls**t from but for you to try to say that uc hasn't evolved since the first 1 is like I said fanboy bulls**t especially when the games and other things like reviews,user reviews,gameplay videos etc have talked about and shown how uc has evolved from 1 to 4.

[Rumb13stiltzkin]

In what way has the climbing evolved? What significant change did the jeep have over the jet ski? Tighter controls? Sure, I'Il give you that - but the gameplay mechanics themselves have not changed.

I asked you what mechanics Uncharted 4 has that THE OTHERS don't.

As a matter of fact, what can you do in any of them that you can't do in the others?

Yes, they've tightened the controls - but nothing about the game has changed fundamentally.

[Rumb13stiltzkin]

One last bit - let's address the whole "fanboy" thing. In the last seven days, you've accused others of being a "fanboy" five times, which is interesting because:

In the last six days, you've posted eleven comments on Uncharted articles. That's 1.8 Uncharted comments daily.

Since the start of the year, you've commented on at least 26 Uncharted articles - I stopped counting on page five of the Google search results.

You accused me of not having played Uncharted 4 and claim it's better than Tomb Raider, yet I can't seem to find any comments you've posted on articles about Tomb Raider that aren't comparing it to Uncharted - so I thought I'd take a look at your PSN ID to see if you've actually played either of them.

Your profile is set to private so I couldn't confirm, but I did notice that your avatar is Nathan Drake...

So when you use the term "fanboy," it's probably safe to assume that the following definition applies: "A pathetic insult often used by fanboys themselves to try and put down people who don't like whatever it is they like."

[Dark_Knightmare2]

I'm not going to deny anything I love uc series but I also like the new tomb raiders especially rotr which not only did I buy and play day one on x1 but I just bought it yesterday from Walmart on sale for 35 on ps4. Now do I prefer uc especially 4 to the new tomb raiders yes easily but thats nothing strange because the majority has the same opinion. Rotr is still a really good game even though I feel that way and the only reason since you wanted to go through past comments that I've compared them is because the article I was commenting on was comparing them or someone I was replying to was. Now since you went through my previous comments you saw that I don't just comment on uc or tr articles and that I'm always fair when discussing something. I don't fanboy and yes I call out a lot of people for being fanboys because this site is infested with them and if you would have actually looked at the comments I replied to you would see that. So no your definition doesn't apply since what would I be a fanboy of I own both systems and enjoy both for different reasons while liking numerous different genres like fps,tps,point and click,action rpg,open world, visual novel,the walking simulator,horror etc which you can easily verify by seeing my trophies list. So now that we've established that my comment history shows nothing to accuse me of being a fanboy only that I call out fanboys when their blatantly trolling and ruining comment sections I would be interested if you would agree and if not give some examples that prove otherwise

[level 360]

One game is led by a girl and the other is a guy so how can they be the same?

[Lennoxb63]

Tomb Raider paved the way. Uncharted had the advantage of modern technology before Tomb Raider came back.

[thexmanone]

Agreed 100%
Tomb Raider came out in 1996 and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune came out in 2007. I would say the technology advantage went with Uncharted.

[TheFirstClassic]

Slow news day huh?

[joethetimelord]

No. Both are loving homages to Indiana Jones and treasure-hunting adventure stories in general. Lara and Nathan are also very different characters, personality wise.

[ClayRules2012]

I respect and love both Uncharted and the newer Tomb Raider games, for many different reasons.

Uncharted - It has a story that is highly entertaining to watch unfold, characters that feel real, funny, loveable, and relatable, in a sense. And, its production values continue to impress and raise the bar.
Graphics have always been a staple for ND ever since the first Uncharted game, and like that game, ND has continued to raise the bar higher and higher for other developer studio's to try and match/surpass.
The voice acting has always been a leader in video games, especially since the beginning of Full body/voice motion capture.
Naughty Dogs developers have always done remarkable work on taking the performances of its actors and making the facial animations come to life, by hand animating the facial poses and nuances. Those little details they capture from doing that is pretty amazing. Gameplay/animations are always top notch with every iteration and continue to push game animations ito another level. Naughty Dog are masters in game animation.
Gunplay is well done, and the little details such as how Drake reloads a weapon, puts it away in his holster or just the way his mele attacks get blocked by an enemy with a similar gun is pretty cool to see.
The music is always a joy to hear. It can be simple and make you smile, to big musical numbers that make your heart race. On top of that, ND knows when to place certain music in just the right places, to make you feel a certain way.

Tomb Raider - It has Lara, who's a believable character and really enjoyable to place as and see her story unfold "in my opinion". Here friends/side characters are predictable, and could use a lot of work in being convincing & believable. They lack depth also.
The voice acting has been well done, for Lara. Everyone else has been meh "in my opinion"
Gameplay is genuinely fun and well done. The weapons control well, feel good. The camps you visit, to upgrade weapons, moves ect is nice. I like it a lot.
The music isn't anything memorable "in my opinion" I honestly can't remember any of the music during the games.
Graphics for the TR series has been pretty good, for the most part. TR's reboot, which released in 2013 looked amazing "in my opinion" and Rise of the Tomb Raider looks even better.
Overall, I'm more for Uncharted, which is in another league compared to "Tomb Raider" but I love both Drake and Lara in the end.
Some people may prefer one over the other, which is cool, and I respect that. We all have different tastes and opinions, and games may effect us all differently, but in the end, we're all "GAMERS" and should be able to share/give our opinions with each other, without the fear of being crucified for having a different view or opinion.
Much love to all.

P.S. I noticed I didn't really complain about anything that Uncharted gets wrong, Uncharted has issues as well. But they're not as big of an issue for me, especially when Uncharted does get most things right compared to wrong. But no games perfect.. I'll just state that. No game ever is! I just wanted to point that out before I possibly got criticized for only doing that a little with TR.

Much love to all =)

[Zarock]

Both aren't that great and more of the same with little Innovation to gameplay.

[Aclar00]

Tomb Raider had a jump button back in the day right? New ones dont if im not mistaken? Couldnt lara do flips and dual wield?

[SouljAx360]

Anyone who actually played Uncharted 4 and Rise Of The Tomb Raider knows that the gameplay of these games aren't even close. You climb shit, that's the only similarity. Uncharted 4 is a linear action game. Tomb Raider is a open world action RPG. The old Tomb Raider was a linear action game.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Rotr is not an open world action rpg lol. Yes it has little hubs but that doesn't make it open world. I mean that would be like me saying oh uc 4 is open world because of how massive and free form Madagascar in chapter 10 is or the boat and islands in chapter 12 or libertalia in the later chapters for a few examples.
@deadmanmmx but it's not just Madagascar it's also chapter 12 with he boats and islands,libertalia and new Devon in the later chapters,Scotland is quite open in the beginning of the game and the Elena and nate jeep part towards the end of the game.

[DeadManMMX]

The locations in both Tomb Raider games are fully back trackable with branching pathways requiring new equipment in the Metroid style. In Uncharted you move in one direction all the time with the notable of exception Madagascar. There is a difference.

[DeadManMMX]

Ditto. These games aren't very similar at all. I feel like you have to blind not to see this.

[sullynathan]

They really are

[EmperorDalek]

They don't really feel that similar to me. Uncharted is full on linear, which makes good action and flow. Tomb Raider has open hubs and RPG elements. Too similar? I think there's room for both.

I haven't played much ROTR, but the 2013 reboot was rubbish to me. Clunky controls, underdeveloped RPG stuff, boring hubs. But it certainly felt different enough to Uncharted.

[Aenea]

if you had to make a short description of both they would sound the same I suppose but they are different to me and both fun in their own ways!

[SuperbVillain]

tomb raider reboot looked good but they ripped uncharted off. like the old formula wasnt working so they stole one that was

[2600Thunder]

I love the similarities. Additions to this genre means more singleplayer games of this type for us that challenge dev creativity. I hope they continue to be rivals, and I welcome any new games into this story driven Indiana Jones adventure class. Their action packed, supernatural treasure hunts are amazing! Maybe we will get games from other devs willing to jump in!

[SynestheticRoar]

Girl's in uncharted have ass. Lara lost her's somewhere.

[Razzer]

I don't think there have been two games that have fed off each other like Uncharted and Tomb Raider over the years. I'm all for this kind of thing if it generates more great games like these.

[Perjoss]

Thought uncharted 2 was amazing, didnt like 3, and i just couldnt get on with the gunplay of uncharted 4. Thought tomb raider 2013 was very good but not in the same league as uncharted 2. But rise of the tomb raider has really impressed me, its the first game since red dead that ive gone back and explored it all to 100% the game. Love the basic crafting elements, the great level design and how it really rewards exploration.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Couldn't get on with the gunplay in 4 even though it was massively improved compared to 2 that's just weird

[Perjoss]

I didn't say it was bad or worse, I just didn't like it, its a personal preference thing.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Oh no that's fine i respect your opinion it's just weird is all because of how much better the combat is in 4 compared to 2

[Sevir]

Tomb Raider in its current for is an anagram of Uncharted. I love Tomb Raider more now than its previous iterations. And I'm glad it was rebooted. Tomb Raider and Rise of the Tomb Raider are amazing games, more so Rise of the Tomb Raider. Crystal Dynamics found away to make Lara relevant again.

Can't wait for the next game in the series especially now that Uncharted is complete.

[Pathogenic]

Well to be fair the Unchartered Series is now over and I think both of them deserve credit for bringing us incredible storytelling and action packed adventure. I think both co-existed nicely for the last little bit and no other games could match the fidelity of these two. Tomb Raider will now take the reins going forward to make more memories for us gamers. That's how the story will go...Farewell to Nathan Drake

[Skankinruby]

They're both adventure games and that's about the extent of it. Uncharted created it's own identity completely. Anyone trying to call uncharted a tomb raider ripoff was just desperately trying to minimize it's importance.

[hiawa23]

No, both games are great

[Sciurus_vulgaris]

I personally like Tomb Raider (2013) more than Uncharted 1 and 3. I also perfer rise of the Tomb Raider over Uncharted 1,3 and 4.

[Dark_Knightmare2]

Yeah I would probably only put rotr ahead of uc 1 but the other 3 uc games are Def above the two newest tomb raiders imo.

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Indiana Jones begat Lara Croft who in turn begat Nathan "Dude Raider" Drake who then himself begat the New Raider series.

Careful where you tread on this one fanboys, because none of these ideas are original.

[Imalwaysright]

TR1 was original despite being inspired by Indiana Jones. Games are not the same as movies.

BTW Indiana Jones was also inspired by other movies which were in turn inspired by books.

[Jon_Targaryen]

Too similar??? It's a genre... Might as well ask if Witcher 3 and Dragon age are too similar too!

[jrshankill]

Both were extremely overrated. In comparison to uncharted 3 and the previous tomb raider reboot.. the set pieces were boring and uninspired.

[Jon_Targaryen]

I dunno UC3 felt rushed and didnt have a good pay off unlike UC2.. Plus having NAte never mention or refer to his brother in previous games then all of a sudden come and say "OOPS! I had a brother!!" approach really ticked me off.

[Gatsu]

So many UC fanboys in the comments lol. Both are excellent franchises, but I've always enjoyed TR more. Why is this comparison still going on after 10000 times?

[Gwynbleidd]

No!

And both are incredible games.

[link2Dpast]

I know the hate will come but I can't be the only one that feels these games are some what over rated. It's basically cutscenes, shoot , cover, shoot, cover, random unrealistic event that you survive, cutscenes, and the cycle keeps going. Boring as hell.

[jerethdagryphon]

No tr is quitecstealth and survival focused with open areas uncharted isclike a novel tightly driven story

[Theparanerds]

is Battlefield and Call of Duty too similar? Is Sly Cooper and Ratchet And Clank too similar? What a stupid question

[SojournUK]

Oranges and grapefruit are similar, they taste different though.

[rlow1]

Their are similar mechanics, especially when climbing and certain hidden objects within the game. But level progression and pacing is much different. In Tomb Raider you can hunt animals, be hunted by them and the weapons you use are more varied. Also upgrading the weapons themselves is another cool feature.

[DivineAssault]

I like both.. I do wish uncharted stepped it up to be more gory.. I guess TLOU is geared toward that though

[Brohan]

Tomb Raider hands down only because naughty dog had to copy a action adventure after tomb raider and anyone who says otherwise may be to young or doesn't know that Tomb Raider has been out for about two decades now.

[Tross]

Another great podcast from my colleagues. If I ever get more spare time I'd like to join in on one of these. Personally, I'm glad Tomb Raider inspired the much more refined Uncharted, which in turn inspired the team behind Tomb Raider to up their game. Now we have two great franchises instead of one that was fledgling and probably would have bit the big one had things played out differently.

[DeadManMMX]

These games really aren't that similar besides the premises of treasure hunter/ archaelogist / blah. The two games play very differently. People just see what they want to see. They both spelunk in caves looking for shiny historical artifacts. Gameplay wish in Uncharted you go level to level with little to no backtracking facing large waves of enemies 3rd person cover shooting. None of this was invented by Uncharted. As evidenced the first game - which I actually made my brother play all the way through all 4 2 weekends ago - is an average 8-8.3 of a game. The core gameplay really hasn't changed since the first game until they added the rope in 4. It's very simplistic. All they did was add the highest level of production values and sprinkle amazing set pieces through the games. Lets face it we don't go on about the simplistic puzzles we solve or the 3rd person shooting. We go on about the details that Naughty Dog puts in the game. Graphics and the way it looks. The dialogue between the characters. The set pieces where things are blowing up everywhere and things are falling apart and we have to run for it. The fact is Naughty Dog makes playable movie scenarios. They focus more towards the spectacle that makes it a ride. Uncharted focuses on and feels like playing an Indiana Jones type movie and Tomb Raider focuses more on actual minute to minute game play. That is the main difference. It's also the difference that makes the cherry on top and gets Uncharted those 10's to Tomb Raiders 9-9.2 etc. The difference is in the polish and details Naughty Dog put into the game. Of course to get this polish they had to delay the game 3 or 4 times. Never forget this Tomb Raider reboot came out in 2013 and ROTR came out in December 2015. Uncharted 3 came out in November 2011 while a second team worked on TLOU and then they started work on Uncharted 4. When you compare those time lines it's pretty amazing ROTR came out as great as it did.

[windblowsagain]

@demonddel.

Both are excellent games. Tomb Raiders action is different to Uncharted. But Uncharted in hard mode, is hard. Compared to previous uncharted's.

[Dannylew]

Man... nice try to have a lot of click... but...

is tomb raider that is too similar to uncharted.

[Mrveryodd]

One I would like for a girl friend the other , that would be a.no

[BlakHavoc]

RoTR isn't quite as good imo, but it's a stellar game. Only thing I preferred in TR is the gameplay.

[richyque]

Uncharted 4 is the game of the year and way more fun than the boring tomb raider that i bought and got bored and tired of playing after a few days.