RACE Pro, the most realistic racer ever?

From GAMER.tm: "360 exclusive driving sim RACE Pro will be the most realistic racing game ever, according to the game's developers, SimBin.

"Speaking about how realistic modern racing games are, SimBin boss Henrik Roos told our sister publication, 360 Gamer magazine, "we believe that we are closest to the real stuff."

"To answer, we have a couple of games out there that definitely close to reality."

"And he should know, as Roos used to race a Dodge Viper in the FIA GT championship – something which SimBin has taken full advantage of during the development of RACE Pro."

[pp]

OBVIOUSLY its only capable on xbox360

[SteveBallmer SonyRep]

Sony could take this game and copy it 4 times onto "1" Blu Ray and have more sh!t on-screen and have better graphics

Plus you could complete a race without your console burning out

[DavidMacDougall]

There was more "realistic racing" in GTA4

[cemelc]

GT 5 says hi!

[Pain]

but to bad your a moron.

GT >>>>> this crap. dream on Xbox 2 game.,

[AngryXbot]

All these shiatty threads about "most realistic racer?" need to end.

There is only ONE king of all racers and its called GRAN TURISMO.

50 million sales. Not one racer can come close for the next 10 years.

End of story.

[ravinshield]

who gives a F##k about sales GRand turismo is not realistic alright and you know it,gt has not but arcade racing.

[lunaticpanda101]

Gt5p has to be the most boring and bland racer of all time

[SteveBallmer SonyRep]

"according to the game's developers, SimBin. "

Do i even have to say anything ? Like he is going to say i tried and failed

GT5 will kill this it is the best selling "racing simulator" after all

[thor]

If GT5 ever comes out. I think it's stuck with GT on the PSP. I.e. not going to come out for a looong time. By the time GT5 comes out, we will have already seen GT5 Prologue and many other games between now and then (we've probably got 2 years, let's be honest) could trump it graphically. It's just going to be prologue with more tracks and cars, and damage (hopefully). But it's so far away that I can see it being outclassed by games released in-between (forza 3 anyone?)

[lwhatee]

PRO looks more like forza.
It also doesnt run at full HD

[El_Colombiano]

Wow, every racing game is always trying to take the "Best Driving Sim" title away from GT, yet they all fail when they are released. The reason GT5 wont come out for a long time is because the devs are actually modeling every single car in the game, test driving every car a multitude of times, and then transferring that data to the game. No matter what this game, or any other, tries to do to out do GT is not enough. If they really were trying then we wouldn't see it for another two years.

[dan-boy]

as usual, the sony body guards come rushing to the defense only to make themselves look like the stupid know nothings they are!!!

how many of you virgins have even heared of simbin?? or played any of their games??? that's rite, none! do your research before posting fud.

coz you have all just made yourselfs look very stupid.

i'm talking about the ones above and below....i dont need to talk about the bottom feeders in the open zone.

[El_Colombiano]

dan-boy,

Instead of making yourself look like an incompetent (sound it out) idiot, why don't you actually pose an argument and try to prove my post incorrect? Oh wait, because your just a preteen that has no idea what he is talking about, and the fact that I am still 100% correct with my last post.

[radio0o]

Yup. If you look at the vids for this game it's not even on the same level as GT5. They are just trying to create hype for this game by making wild claims.

[gaffyh]

I'm 99.9999% sure that GT5 will be better than Race Pro (how many times did we hear that PGR or Forza was better than GT, and they aren't even better than GT4?), and also I'm ~90% sure that the game won't be as good as GT5P.

Even so if it is close it is better than nothing, cos Forza and PGR suck, so if this game is any good I will be getting it hopefully.

[plain rice]

Is that all you have to say? Why not bring up your research to counter these guys instead of complaining and doing nothing to back it up.

[dan-boy]

then compare it to the prettiest bumper car game in existense. you will see the difference. especially when you try to old gt race winning trick...speed up to a corner, and just use the other cars as cushions to go into first place. works everytime on every gt game.

i can see how that is called simulation. that's what i always do when i'm late for work and behind traffic. just ride them round corners in my indestructible car.

[kspraydad]

on the Xbox 360...fair enough.

[IzKyD1331]

GRAN TURISMO: THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR

[DavidMacDougall]

Amen Brother bubbles for you !

Nothing can touch the "Best Selling Driving game in the world"

SimBin is just promoting his game but in his heart he knows what game he was trying to copy

[IzKyD1331]

and has anyone ever heard of RACE Pro anyway?

[Dpa]

Ummm, google their previous game GTR2. It KICKS Gran Turismos ass left right and sideways. Shame its a 360 exclusive (bloody microsoft not having 3rd party steering wheel sport), but this will be more realistic than GT5.

[IzKyD1331]

"Ummm, google their previous game GTR2. It KICKS Gran Turismos ass left right and sideways. Shame its a 360 exclusive (bloody microsoft not having 3rd party steering wheel sport), but this will be more realistic than GT5."

GTR2?
you mean the PC game that no one bought?

[Dpa]

Suit yourself then. You're quite obviously a 12 year old, so you wouldn't appreciate a simulation game anyways.

[IzKyD1331]

I appreciated the original gran turismo opening day 10 years ago.....Im still 12 right?

[InMyOpinion]

Mentally, yes.

[Dpa]

Even if your not actually 12 you're still acting like you are by bashing a game you've never even heard of. If you were a real fan of the simulation genre you'd have at least played GTR2 and you wouldnt be saying 'GT PWNS IT CUS ITS PS3 ECXLUSIVE LOL'.

[sak500]

GT the real driving simulator, just like the real life Knight rider car KITT. Indestrutable and using other cars as bumpers to move ahead to finish line.

[gaffyh]

@sak500 - Simulation isn't only about damage in the game. Good driving mechanics + No damage > Crappy driving mechanics + damage

[RememberThe357]

It's "is it going to be fun to play?"

[Tarasque]

Well Sony only fans well defend anything till the end, they can call GT5P a sim all they want. It is about as much as a sim micro machines racing. People can say and praise it all the want in my eyes it will be average and nothing more, i have played and i have beat it and i know my impressions and what i got out of the game and it wasn't much.

[gaffyh]

@Tarasque - It's not about being a Sony fan (I have a 360 as well), it's just about the true fact that GT5P is the most realistic driving sim available, the only thing it doesn't offer is damage (which they will be patching in soon), and the reason they didn't put it in first was cos they wanted realistic damage (based on each cars Euro N-Cap ratings) but they would have got sued by the car companies so they didn't implement it.

Now we are gonna get crappy generic damage models because of people like you who think the game sucks just because it doesn't have damage. PGR and Forza seriously do not compare to GT (GT4 is better than them), Race Pro looks better than them but I doubt it will be as good as they say.

[GodGinrai]

Only if your idea of the ultimate driving simulator involves driving cars along the tire walls at damn near top speed and your car never reacting to bumps they way a REAL car does.Oh then theres the unrealistic RWD physics.GT is the only "driving sim" where even the most powerful mid endined cars have a chronic tendencey to understeer.

Tell me have you ever driven a real wheel drive car at speed before? Id like to see you drive my MR2 like a a car in GT,i know i wouldnt (346 bhp @5300rpm.not a standard spec car at all ,trust me. ive put 5 years and stupid amount of money into it ).It would chew you up spit you out and you would have a hefty repair bill on your hands.

I love the GT series, but forza2 is definetely the better driving game,better physics, better AI more feelsome steering.Im speaking not just as a gamer but as an enthusiastic driver who has been into modding cars almost aslong as i have been into videogames.when i apply my knowledge of real world driving to forza the feedback from the car is more realistic than what you get in GT5p (i got it with my ps3 so i think iknow what im talking about since i own both games.

I just had to point that out.Just because YOU only own a ps3 that doesnt make it the most realistic driving game. The steering and the behaviour of the cars are a bit off. Facts not opinion. And if you disagree get yourself a cheap rwd car, treat yourself to a track day,and prepare to realise how wrong you are.....

[IzKyD1331]

has anyone heard of this game at ALL?

[TheColbertinator]

It was announced back in July prematurely.I doubt many 360 owners are interested in this because there are too many 2008 360 games already and Atari isn't quite a AAA title developer.I dont know how this game will be

[Hellsvacancy]

This is the 1st ive heard about it

[Shane Kim]

Too bad MS are 11 years late since Sony did it with GT 11 years ago.

[Xheratuul]

GT>Forza>RacePro

[IzKyD1331]

I think its GT>Forza>PGR>GRID> F1>RACE Pro

[heyheyhey]

SPOGS > RACEpro

[lunaticpanda101]

HAZE>race pro

[ZombieNinjaPanda]

We'll just have to see when it comes out.

Words can't tell me how realistic it is, I'll judge how realistic it is when it comes on my own.

[juuken]

GT5 will kill this one. >.>

[Laexerias]

GT5 is charging its lazor to blow every 360 racer away.

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

Playing GT5:Prologue and it looks REAL ;-P Once they have added Damage(yes i said it)it will be perfect!!! ;-P

+The xBox 360 fans on this said 'Race Driver:GRID' was better looking than GT5:Prologue!!! ;-D ;-D ;-D That was FUNNY!!!;)

[ravinshield]

"damage" that is so 2007 and gt is barely going to get it when ever it comes out....WAIT BEYOND

[juuken]

Is that what all bots say when they're supporting a failing console?

Fact: The 360 is starting to become outdated.
Fact: Gran Turismo is king when it comes to realistic graphics. Prologue especially looks AMAZING.
Fact: The PS3 will mop the floor with the 360 sooner or later.
Fact: You fail at life.

JUMP OUT.

[azmanmanz]

xbox360 equal to upgraded standard pc. so my pc also capable run this game :)

[jack who]

rofl at ppl sayin GT5

[IzKyD1331]

yeah, rofl at people saying GT (the highest selling racing franchise in history)

[lwhatee]

whether its racing or any other genre
It runs at full HD at 60 fps --impossible on BURNING box 360

[RuffRyder]

Why dont you do some research and maybe play some of simbins past games such as the GTR series..then you'll know why we are laughing at you noobs who claim GT5 is a sim lol.

[dro]

well its normal for devs to say there games will be the best... :/

but we all know gt5 will own it!!!!!!!

[IzKyD1331]

"well its normal for devs to say there games will be the best... :/"

dennis dyack practically created this category

[RuffRyder]

Its so funny listening to all you noobs shouting GT5 ha!!

This is SIMBIN we're talking about!! you know the developers of the GTR series for PC...which just happens to be the most realistic racing sim ever on any platform.

GT5 is arcade trash compared to the GTR series. How anyone can call GT5 a sim is beyond me.

If SimBin say that race pro will be the most realistic sim ever, then it sure as hell will!!

You noobs needs to do some research!

@lwhatee

Haha just wait and see noob!! your obviously a brainless sonyfan boy, but you will all see when this game is released lol.

[lwhatee]

Nothing can top GT5

OK
this looks more like Forza and doesnt even run at full HD

[Dpa]

THANK YOU Ruffryder, the people on this forum are so ignorant. Never played a true simulator like rFactor, GTR2 or LFS. But guess there the ones missing out eh?

[00]

They only say that cause it looks pretty.

[nordberg]

I agree on GTR2 is the most realistic racing sim. And we will see but i don't think Race Pro will be as realistic as GTR2, console racing is more controller focused than PC racing (basically because 90% of user use controller and if Simbin want to sell a reasonable amount of game for X360, he must take in account the limitation of controller and make the game easier than gtr2).

Anyway, i think GT5 will still be the best game for console. Racing PC vs console (more arcade racing) is way different and i enjoy my G25 wheel (at least PS3 owner can use a true racing wheel) on GT5 Prologue and GTR2 for now.

[poindat]

You all (except for nordberg) are f*cking idiots. Of course GTR2 is the best, it's on the PC. Any moron would know that. GT5 and Race Pro have to conform to the limitations of consoles, GTR2 doesn't. Just because Simbin made GTR in no way means Race Pro will be the most realistic racer. In fact, its guaranteed since it is on a console.

I'm willing to bet GT5 will outdo Race Pro, especially since it still has 2 years of dev time. Race Pro should provide a very enjoyable experience in the time being though. It should be the best racer until GT5.

[supaflypriest1]

Look, the GT series has always been good, and will continue to be good, but lets be real, the games are not very realistic--to say that they are "simulators" is really pushing it. GT5 will look good and probably be fun and sell good, but the best simulator??? Let's be real, if this game wasn't a 360 exclusive, it wouldn't be getting the hate it has from fanboys. GT5 needs to concentrate on being a better simulator than Forza 2 before challenging Simbin's game...

[InMyOpinion]

Just wait and see =) Anyone who has played Simbins past games know what they are talking about.

The PS3 fanboys went defensive as h£ll on this one lol! Not surprised.

[mirroredderorrim]

Yes, I agree. But what the PS3 fanboys who ARE defensive about this don't know or remember, is Grand Turismo V is on the horizon. How do you like the fact that a 40 dollar demo looks better than RACE Pro?

So far, as from what I can see. But for gameplay, we'll have to wait for that verdict.

Besides all that, I hate simulators. GT was the only "sim" I tried and enjoyed.

To be fair, though... if this game brings the goods, I may pick it up. I have not liked many racing games controls, so that will be a deciding factor more so than graphics.

Let the disagrees rise from tomb.

[Kyur4ThePain]

Tell you what...you and I both save a link to this discussion and we can come back and discuss the outcome once the game is available. Didn't think so.

And let's remember how realistic some others have turned out to be:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[RememberThe357]

Holy sh*t that last video is crazy. I want that dudes t.v.

[InMyOpinion]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

You were saying?

[lwhatee]

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

GT5P is miless ahead of this

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Kyur4ThePain]

Are you brain damaged?
Or are you really just a fking stupid fanboy?
Did you even look at the videos? The second video specifically speaks to the physics in GT NOT being realistic.
But I guess I should have expected a fanboy comment like that from you.
You were saying?

[InMyOpinion]

Reported as offensive...not that I think the mods care but. No need to be insulting.

You obviously chose a GT5:P video that demonstrated much more subtle glitches than the Forza one, trying to hide it's faults. I chose some that weren't as subtle just to show that both games have problems on the same level.

[Kratos3452]

Almost every developer tries to say things like this.Too Human comes to mind.Saying this just to hype up there game.They aren't showing gameplay footage to prove it and even if it has better graphics than gt5p than good for them.Gran Turismo 5 isn't coming out until 2010 so the graphics will most likely better than race pro, after all Gran Turismo has always been the best racing sim.Right now there isn't anything going up against it accept for a 40 dollar demo.

[power of Green]

Fullofshit, Too human devs never said their game was be the best in it's genre(s).

You PS3 fans have been increasingly pathetic in the past 3 weeks. The Jerry Springer show comes to mind.

[sak500]

I remember devs saying LAIR only possible on teh cell of ps3 look what happened to the flop. HS, Unchartered 6 hour games LOL.

@POG: They've have been pests since last year but after MGS4 the movie failing, which was supposed to dethrone xbox360 they are even more irritating. Nothing but RROD in their comments. The only thing from last 3 years they can think of.

[lwhatee]

the game flopped causing the devs and MS in 80M dollar loses
same goes to Ninja Gaiden 2/TOV and IU

[Kyur4ThePain]

But I am definitely NOT holding my breath.

[heyheyhey]

sorry lads, that title goes to GT5:P and can only be replaced by GT5

GT.. often imitated, never bettered

[jack who]

bumper car physics GT i lol'd

bumper car physics for the winnnns

[xtreampro]

at least when GT5 dose come with damage it'll be realistic and not repetative, for example, you drive 2mph in Forza and then you smash a wall, you'll see the bumper fly off, then you drive 100mph and the bumper will fly off in the same way with the same amount of wrinkles on the bumper and car, this is what you get with crappy hardware, now with a CELL PROCESSOR you could damage the car in million+ different ways, and there'll be so much debry scattered all over all simulated in real time, so yeah your just laughing at your self realy

[PimpHandStrong]

thats funny

because i thought the same of 360 fans

but insteed of 3 weeks its more like 3 years

[Says you]

And its more realistic then this crappy @ss games how many has GTR sold oh that's right it cant touch the number sales that is GT Dpa is just a total moron just like the rest of the delusionalbox 360 fans that think every game of there's are triple AAA considering they would buy any crappy game even burger king games that's how much they think all of there games are triple AAA

and the demo alone of GT5 prologue sold 1 million or got downloaded 1 million so what has the GTR series done that? I think not considering dpa is just full load of crap as usual!.

[RememberThe357]

If the game gets too realistic it wont be that fun for a large audience. The GT series has done a fantastic job of making the game both as fun and as real as possible.

[Deviant]

..so you believe u are the best ...guess u are wrong

[Scotracer]

I know all you GT whores want to believe it, Gran Turismo has never been at the cutting edge of realism. Ever.

Simbin who have created GTR, GTR2, RACE, RACE 07, and help with rFactor and now have created RACE Pro definitely know how to make a sim racer.

If you don't believe me, go look on a racing sim community such as Race Sim Central and take a look at how PD's games are taken.

GTR2, rFactor, LFS, netKar Pro and many others are more realistic than GT. Deal with it.

The most obvious flaws with GT5: Prologue are the tyre model, the aerodynamics and collision physics. This is most demonstrated by the Ferrari F2007 that is so far off the mark it's not even funny.

[UltimateIdiot911]

If you haven't notice, real life race car drivers tested GT5P and previous GT games. If they say it's very real and close to reality then I'll take their words over race sim gamers. I forgot what's that british guy who had a show where he spent hours playing GT4 on a track and then did a test in real life. He was only about 3-4 seconds off from his game record. He even admit the only difference between real life and GT4 was that in real life if you crash, you can die. I can't remember the name of the guy or show but it was on Kotaku a long time ago.

[Scotracer]

That is all marketing crap. The drivers use amazing simulators when they are preparing for a race weekend, that are above even GTR2/rFactor but those are top-notch stuff with real data input from automotive manufacturers. I myself am an Automotive engineer and have designed racing cars in the passed and this year am competing in Formula Student as engine development chief so I know what constitutes realism. GT is fine if you don't have much background knowledge but it's just not that realistic. The "Real Driving Simulator" slogan needs to be removed. If Polyphony Digital would just sort the Tyre and aerodynamic models out they would have a very good simulator but they seem to be very stubborn and wont change anything. An example of errors are found in the Ferrari F2007 I mentioned before. In real life that car is capable of 220mph using minimum downforce and ~190mph when using max. On GT5: Prologue the car can do 235mph on min downforce and 225mph on max. It's just too far off the mark. Also, they haven't modeled the tyres that the car uses making it even less realistic. And another thing, they have the power of that car stated as 687BHP when it is 770BHP in real life. Such errors shouldn't be done by a developer such as PD.

GT is good for gamers who want to try a wide variety of cars but it just shows that the developers have gone for quantity over quality.

Oh and the show was Top Gear and it was Jeremy Clarkson who tested the Honda NSX around Laguna Seca. He wasn't 4 seconds off the time he set on GT4, it was more like 20 seconds. GT4 is a joke of a simulator.

[GVON]

If I could use my G25 on the 360 then I would seriously consider it because it adds to game and helps make GT5p awesome.
On Simbin the only game I liked was GTlegends, GTR was OK but you felt alone on the track for most of the game, never played number 2 but I heard some people felt it was toned down quite a bit over the first, either way it should be a decent game but I'll probably stick with GT5p

[spandexxking]

one thing i will say is that 46 car models is a bit weak. prologues got more and its a demo.

[Xbox is the BEST]

believe they said 300 cars

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[spandexxking]

yep thats where i got the info from. he says 46 car models and 300 different cars in total, probably meaning same car just different paint/stlyles. like what gt has done to tout 700 cars in gt4. differnce being is that gt4(and gt5p) actaully have more than 46 models.
edit: not that i want to flame this game, it looks quiite promising

[Xbox is the BEST]

believe they said 300 cars.

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

[Blademask]

Simbin is the greatest when it comes to racing sims. They do everything and translate it to.. wait for it

YOUR STEERING WHEEL. GTR/GTR2/GTLegends is impressive because of the physics, liveries, control, and Force Feedback.

No one would say that its impressive because of the way it handles with the KEYBOARD.

RacePro is sure to be a good sim. The only problem is, you can't use modern steering wheels or even your steering wheel you used to play GTR/GTR2. You can't use any G25 with 6spd and Clutch. Or even a Driving Force Pro. ALL of these wheels are specifically calibrated to be used with the game.

The sad thing, which I'm kind of upset at. Is the lack of quality that the games have had since GT-Legends. Look at those screenshots and tell me they look as good as PGR4 or even Forza2. Simbin isn't keeping up with games on the eyecandy front. But they more than makeup for it with the simulation aspect of racing, Penalties, Pits, Intensive damage etc. This is also why its called the best "RACING SIMULATION" Because it simulates the actual RACING. Pace cars etc.

And RacePro will have 44 cars. Simbin doesn't do 100's of cars.

All of you idiots comparing it to GT5 = Morons. GT5 is a driving game that concentrates on the age old love story between man and vehicle. It has second to none vehicles, as well as second to none driving physics. GT isn't to simulate RACING Penalties/Qualifiers/Campaigns etc like GTR/Racepro - the RACING simulators. Simbin's games are in a class of their own comparable to nothing. I just wish this game was released on the PC, so you could use the appropriate steering wheel. The MS wheel is a joke when it comes to Force Feedback and weight.

The 360 is about to get the most realistic "RACING" game for fans of racing, meaning people that actually know what the hell "GTR" means. Gran Turismo will always be king. Because its in a class of its own as well. Racepro without a steering wheel is like getting to drive a ferrari, except you have no hands. Im sure more people will play Forza due to the popularity and the ease of driving compared to a real sim. It will be interesting to see how well this game sells. Simbin doesn't make easy games.

[Jackthepwnsaur]

"Im sure more people will play Forza due to the popularity and the ease of driving compared to a real sim."

Popularity is the Key Word, who has more popularity? Forza or GT?

Go to Eu, JP or US, they all Respond GT. People Grew up with GT, they have seen it evolve to the most Realistic Driving Simulator to date. Thats why the GT series has sold over 50 Million Copies to date. If it wasnt for GT, no one in the US would know what a Renult is, or Who RUF is. Yes GT has its flaws like No Car Damage, But its evolving, and the Developers are making sure that Car Damage will come in to GT5, in a Realistic wa, not the Arcade way like how Forza does it. That would just Tarnish the GT Tradition.

[pwnsause]

"360 exclusive driving sim RACE Pro will be the most realistic racing game ever, according to the game's developers, SimBin."

/Facepalm. why are people so stupid? please people dont fall for the trap.

[Mars Attacker]

It has to go a long way to be more realistic than Forza 2. At 300 calculations per second, nothing comes close to Forza 2 with the MS force feedback wheel. The bumper car action of GTP demo doesn't even come close.

And don't even mention GT5 full version. It's confirmed to be coming out no earlier than spring 2010. By then Forza 3 will have been out 6 months. LOL!

[pwnsause]

the thing is GT5p 1ups Froza 3 either way. GT5 full Version has to be mentioned as well. All Auto Enthusiasts have been anticipating GT5 for a while, especially the Auto Industry, like Toyota, Nissan, ford, Ferrari, Etc.

[Xi]

Knows racing games. Them and forza are the only 2 developers whose made games I've ever considered racing simulators, gt5 is nothing but an arcade racer with a nice coat of paint.

[pwnsause]

which is why the Auto Industry chooses GT5 as their standard. dumb f**k.

[Xi]

I swear that toyo ties uses forza 2 as a simluation guide for their wheels... because they helped develop forza 2 with turn 10 on their test track.

the only people that use gt is nissan for the skyline dash, which is butt ugly.

[pwnsause]

and nissan, Toyota, BMW, Michelin, Ferrari Promotes them. you dumb F**k.

[Jackthepwnsaur]

I havent seen Forza Promotions in the NY auto Show this year. Except for GT5p, by Everyone. and When i mean everyone, I mean, the Whole auto Industry.

[GVON]

have to disagree that it's a arcade racer XI, i've played quite a few pc sims and I have to say it's bloody close if not equal, all it needs is damage.

here's a what a pc sim racer thinks about it in this review for SRT

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

and don't forget it's only a demo,and he should of used G25 for the review.

[EnforcerOfTheTruth]

Most realistic? Maybe, but one for sure, the graphics will look like crap, just like their PC games.

[Zulwarn]

we have ANOTHER AAA COMING FOR THE 360!!

[KiddyBrownTurd]

didn't Forza 2 already take that crown? isn't that why no one bought it? PGR3 sold tons more. it's a better game because it mixes realism with arcade controls.

[lwhatee]

GT5P is the most realistic racer ever

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

I'm just wondering what the hell happened to Force Motors? I consider Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (part of the real game) to be the best simulator on the market to date.

[Skadoosh]

Well it's common knowledge that Forza 2 is currently the king of sims. We just have to wait and see if Race Pro can take its crown. But most of you ignorant people don't know is that SimBin has been making car sims for awhile now. GT had its day in the sun but has sold out to the graphics department. GT looks great but plays like an arcade racer.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

The only thing I can see as a legitimate argument that Gran Tourismo 5 Prologue doesn't deliver would be car damaging (a new level of physics) and more car classes. That they're doing with the Full game in 2009 with 1080p at 60 fps only can be done on the PlayStation 3. I've never seen a retail game to run that high on the XBOX 360 machine.

I find it interesting that you think Forza is more of a simulator than Gran Tourismo. There is too much on customizing the look of the car and not enough on the guts where it really makes a difference. Plus graphics play a part in a simulator and also feel/control.

[Skadoosh]

I guess you never played Forza because the game is all about tweaking the guts. Their an insane amount of upgrades and tweaks that you can do to every part of the car that you can actually feel when your driving. That is called a sim. GT can't touch the customization tweaks of Forza 2. But hey GT does have nice mountains.

[Jackthepwnsaur]

like turning your car such as a Corolla from a FR to an MR? tell me, how is that Real? how can i fit a an Engine in a trunk of a Corolla? That is not called a Sim, its called an arcade.

Gran Turismo takes a realistic approach on Modifying your car. Although its not possible to do that at this time with GT5p, im %100 sure you'll be able to do that in the real GT5, Just like GT4, GT3, GT2 and GT1.

I give credit to Forza on User customizations of cars in terms of repainting your car, changing the rims of the car, and of course adding decals. But when i hear someone stating that they can move the engine of their car to the Back (MR) i just think that this is an arcade, nothing more, nothing less.

BTW, I have played Forza 2 before. it is Graphically inferior to GT5p and the physics are also inferior to GT5p, with the exception of car damage, which GT5p doesnt have, and will have via an update or skipping the update to implement it in the real GT5, if there is anything i can agree on, its GT5p's online Mode, which is inferior to Forza 2.

[Jackthepwnsaur]

"HAHA you gave me a review of GT Pro and it's only a 8.5? Forza 2 is rated 90. Thanks for proving my point."

Well you're a dumb one aren't you? why do you think they gave it a 8.5? Simple, its called "Prologue" a taste of whats to come, just like GT4p. It still destroys Forza 2 and this game in every way, shape and form. see? you are a simple minded fool. you lost this argument, now, go to the open zone with your friends.

[Time_Is_On_My_Side]

I have Forza Motorsport and the focus is mostly on the exterior than the interior. You can change Engine/Power, Appearance/Aero, Chassis/Drivetrain and has three levels of stock Modified Part, Clubsport Part, as well as Professional Part.

It's nice that you can change the Aerodynamics that actually benefits you in the races. Gran Turismo does all that, but the Appearance/Aero. The Gran Turismo Series went through a simulator test and GT4 lap times were within 2% of the real life equivalent. That alone should tell you have the cars handle.

After playing the first Forza Motorsport I didn't want to get the sequel because it will most likely be more of the same thing. The cars are very limited while Gran Turismo has over 700 cars if my memory is correct. Plus the new in-car views are even done better than Project Gotham Racing 3/4.

Plus you can't forget the graphics because graphics make an impact when you're doing a simulator. Forza Motorosport did some things right like A.I., car damage, Aerodynamics, but did a lot of things wrong as well. Once Polyphony Digital does car damaging right people are going to turn their heads. Even though Froza Motorosport had it, it was weak.

Froza Motorsport Series < Gran Turismo Series.

[Killjoy3000]

I think even these guys know that GT5 will be the best racing sim until GT6. The guys that make Forza, though, will have to smarten up on the other hand. Though their series is critically claimed already, the cars don't handle anywhere near the rel-life counterparts. Don't get me wrong, there's potential in both devs though. All I'm saying is, it takes time to get where Polyphony has gotten in the industry.

[tk]

All these great games you are arguing about do a lot to bring as much realism as possible. Kudos to all the devs who gave us these games. Anyone of the top three driving simulators is good enough that the average gamer will enjoy it.

[shutupandplay]

LOL! People saying GT is better than Forza. Forza smokes GT everytime. More realistic, better cars, better tracks.
There are 3 autoshop teachers on my campus. Let me break it down for you sony NUBS that think GT`s glam racing beats Forza`s.
3 Autoshop teachers---> 3 xbox 360`s----> 3 copies of Forza.
I am talking about PROFESSIONALS. These guys get paid to teach people about cars and use forza to help.

[skullmcrex]

Look guys this is about a 360 game. FULLSTOP, if you wanna go and make fanboys comments the open zone is over there >

[Glad to be a gamer]

then realised tjis thread is just full of Ps3 Fanboys mouthing about Gt5.

I don't know when GT5 will come out or how it will stack up in the driving stakes to simbins race pro so i won't even bother cp them.

Both games are coming from devs with a proven track record and so should deliver on the exp they are steering towards.

Gtr2 is still the most realistic/acclaimed sim racer on the market to this day so i reckon Henrik Roos knows what he is talking about.

You guys just look like spoilt kids "my games better than your game" BS when really the fact is these game are both not out yet and if you don't have A 360 you won't beable to play this game...

[Transformer]

GT5> any racer