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Itagaki: PS4 Pro Is Just Rhetoric, They're Doing It Because Current Gen Isn't Powerful Enough for VR

Tomonobu Itagaki said that Microsoft and Sony are making Project Scorpio and PlayStation 4 Pro mostly because current gen can't handle VR.

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Chris_Wray2745d ago

Not exactly unknown. There was no doubt that the normal consoles couldn't really handle VR to any real standard. These new consoles had to be made, that upgrade was essential.

Imp0ssibl32745d ago (Edited 2745d ago )

Right. I pity those who are trying to use the old PS4 with PSVR...It's a waste, the experience is truly mediocre.

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slate912745d ago

played vr on my friends standard ps4. EVE was really awesome not sure what youre talking about.

ninsigma2745d ago

Why are you lying?? There's nothing mediocre about it.

GtR35olution2745d ago

Vr on the standard ps4 is actually amazing. You sound silly to speak on something where it seems like you dont know about or ever experienced

Fatal-Aim2745d ago

Itagaki is an idiot. That only applies to the Xbox One since it can't run VR at all. The PS4 runs VR just fine.

UCForce2745d ago

@slate91 You need to try out RIGS Combat League. It's super fun.

Ra3v3r2745d ago (Edited 2745d ago )

Nonsense! Having played my VR for a few hours today (don't the need to wait til xmas anymore woohoo!!) it's absolutely capable of delivering a quality experience. I've still to try a few of the demos, but even the simple things like the platformer in Playroom VR are really well done. EVE is lovely despite the jaggies, Battlezone is an excellent blast from the past and I was really impressed with the COD experience. I've still to pick up some move controllers so I can properly try some of the shooters as the controller is a poor substitute but so far there's been an excellent variety of things to try.

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@moldy

Several VR titles have been tested and so far they've shown no tangible benefits. With the resolution being split between the lenses there's little they can improve visually.

JackBNimble2745d ago

Ya right buddy... I think anyone saying ps4 can't handle psvr has never tried it. I own a psvr and an original ps4. There has never been a time where I thought to myself that I better get Pro because my psvr doesn't preform well.... Never.

I can tell you right now that I am very impressed with how well my psvr preforms on my ps4.

If you going to spread false information, you might want to try psvr on the ps4 before you embarrass Yourself anymore.

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NarooN2745d ago

@Impossible

Spoken like a person that has never actually experienced PSVR on the Stock PS4.

Kingcorey132745d ago

haaaaa well every single person who played batman on my psvr left my house with their jaw on the floor. Get outta here with that bs. It's the most fun I've had with games in a long time. Watching peoples reaction is the only validation I need. :

Neonridr2744d ago

@Ra3v3r - the Pro can do for PSVR what it can do for 1080p TVs. It can render an image higher than the screen resolution of the VR headset and then downsample. It results in a sharper image with less jaggies. Once devs start patching in Pro support for more titles I think you will start to see a big difference.

Yes the PS4 can run the PSVR. But for how long and how well remains to be seen. Games are going to want to get more advanced and more complex, but the base PS4 is going to hold devs back from really pushing VR into new territory.

mikeslemonade2744d ago

It confirms my analysis that I've been saying the PS4 is too weak for VR. And I will say the Pro is also too weak for VR.

LordMaim2744d ago

@mikeslemonade: I think you mean "Confirms your bias"

boing12744d ago

Dude... try it first.

cyber_daemonx2744d ago

@mikes, analysis? You mean anal as in talking out yo a$$.

DigitallyAfflicted2744d ago

No need for pity. I'm loving my VR on standard PS4 with my average steering wheel and downsized DriveClub VR.
Pity those who can't enjoy simple things like just a good old fashion FUN :D

MadLad2744d ago

@haydo

Didn't put the work in in life that I did, to make the money I do, to be told I have what I have because of rich parents.

trooper_2744d ago (Edited 2744d ago )

You feel sorry for people wanting an experience that's not too expensive?

This Pro bashing is getting sad and pathetic at this point.

Kidmyst2744d ago

I pity those who dumped another $400.00 to play the same game on 1080P just for a slight visual upgrade when they had a PS4 that was just fine.

d4v03332744d ago

i guess you have not tried psvr on standard ps4...because its freakin awesome and nothing wrong with it

frostypants2744d ago (Edited 2744d ago )

Mediocre? Your opinion against that of those who've actually used it...

stuna12744d ago

Maybe you have mediocre eyesight, so that it turn makes it seem mediocre!?

No one ever said VR was going to be perfect, But the attempt by today's standards has been admirable.

IamTylerDurden12744d ago

Are u joking? PSVR runs great on PS4.

Artemidorus2744d ago

Why because the fake 4K machine makes the OG worthless?

The millennial logic

Spenok2744d ago

While I've gotten a Pro since it came out. I had the PSVR for a few weeks with the standard, there's nothing mediocre about it. Yes the Pro absolutely enhances the experience, but it's not that drastic of a jump where it's night and day. The edges are smoother, the frame rates are higher.... but that's about it.

It's noticeable, but not game changing.

Mr Marvel2744d ago

VR is mediocre... at best.

mikeslemonade2744d ago

I have the pro which is equivalent to the gtx 970. The answer is no it's not strong enough handle vr. Just as the Xbox one is too weak for 1080p. Sure it can do VR when you degrade all the other parts of the game. If that's how you wanna play games that's fine. But I have higher standards for my games than you fair-'minded people here.

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Hoffmann2745d ago

Since I played a couple of games on Playstation vr with my standard ps4 I know that you never tested it actually.

The games are running fine there.

darthv722745d ago (Edited 2745d ago )

I've tested it and while "fine" might be what you like I know others who are wanting "great" and the current PS4 is doing just the bare minimum. Pro is what will allow for PSVR to really work to its extent.

I like the PSVR experience on the PS4. I have not played it on a Pro however but i imagine it will make improvements where needed.

UCForce2745d ago

@darthv92 Dude, you are ruining people fun with PSVR. This is not cool from you comment like that.

darthv722745d ago

@UC, I'm not ruining anyone's fun. Just stating the obvious. PSVR on the PS4 is a fine experience. Pro is looking to offer better than fine and those who go Pro will benefit. If your fun is ruined because you have a regular PS4 then get a Pro. I am.

morganfell2745d ago

Save your breath UCForce,

Darth has stated he didn't own an current gen console but he is constantly attacking Sony. His reasoning is relatively clear and it doesn't include objectivity. It is called trolling.

ludicrous2745d ago

Yeah i tried the PSVR on PS4 and it does ran fine. I don't know what Itagaki is talking about. I don't have to upgrade to Ps4 pro since PSVR ran quite well on ps4 so that is a plus.

Sparta072745d ago

@Darth and moldy, you don't have a PS4 or the pro why are you commenting on something you don't have or tried? Original PS4 WORKS perfectly with vr. Unlike Xboxone that's not powerful enough. I had psvr before I got the PRO and I had no problem with it.

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Mystogan2745d ago (Edited 2744d ago )

I think the PS4 is going to hold PSVR titles back. Since they need to work on Both PS4 Pro and PS4, I'm not talking about extra pixels, I'm saying they can't make the games as big as the PS4 Pro allows them to.

Scorpio however, it's VR titles will only be on Scorpio and probably PC. They can use its power to its full potential. Scorpio is set to have the best VR experience out of the two. With its Oculus or Vive support, and maybe they'll even have the $300 headsets that they showed support it.

@funandgun

I am living in the now. And now the PS4 PRO vr experience is being held back by the PS4. There are no real games. They all look like tech demos and mini games.

FunAndGun2744d ago

But, but, but....the PS5 is going to use VR and power to its full potential....

live in the now man.

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PurpHerbison2744d ago

I'll wait for the PS5 Pro

subtenko2744d ago

yet i have a normal ps4 and many vr games. but oooook if u say so.

meanwhile ps4 pro will not have any "ps4 pro only games"

QUIMICOMORTAL2744d ago

I remember when he asured us the devils third was great...

trooper_2744d ago

And we all know how that turned out.

Corpser2744d ago

People know this but Sony PR can't just say that lol they can't say PS4 standard is not powerful, I feel for developers that have to downgrade their game to work on that

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Nyxus2745d ago

But the standard PS4 runs VR as well...

Alexious2745d ago

It does, but not "well". PSVR on standard PS4 is far inferior to Oculus Rift or HTC Vive, while it's way closer with the PS4 Pro.

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Sparta072745d ago

@alex, why won't you try it?
Oh you don't have ether, please give it a rest. Vr works perfectly fine with the original PS4.

showtimefolks2745d ago

Alexious

don't ypu need a ps4 and VR to give a valid opinion? you have neither so why comment?

ps4 can handle VR well and that is a fact, you don't need to upgrade to pro just for VR

RedDevils2745d ago (Edited 2745d ago )

Oh of course it doesn't run well, when your invisible VR is not working.

yeahright22744d ago

funny how this type of opinion largely comes from people who don't own it.

Rhythmattic2744d ago (Edited 2744d ago )

Alexious
"far Inferior" ?
The way i see it.... (pun intended)
think about this...
Firstly the resolution debacle..
Vive & OR Deliver 1080 x 1200 per eye... PSVR 960 x 1080.. Lets say 10 % higher res...
But people don't take into account thats the extra 10% POV (OC/VIVE 110deg vs PSVR 100Deg) ...
Technically , it means the pixel count (@100 deg) is pretty much the same...
Also take into account the PSVR uses A Subpixel ("120HZ") Oled, Unlike The Pentile diplays like the OR (Oled 90hz) and Vive (LCD 90hz) and its way less a screen door effect... And the Vive Frenzel Lenses aren't exactly something to be desired, making high contrast (e.g. like White on Black) look blurry...
And a bonus fact is its the most comfortable.... Look at all the new announced VR headsets..... Pretty based on Sony s Design...
As for PSVR vs PC VR, of course brut force will beat PSVR (but optically thats up for debate) ... But not every one has a top end PC with more users running the lower or at a base recommendation..
The point is PS and PSVR is the sum of its parts... Console optimisation, with some of the best optics in the business...
Far inferior? Na.
Is this just the beginning ? Yes

OB1Biker2744d ago (Edited 2744d ago )

It's obvious the real motive for project Scorpio to have more power is VR but it's has been proven for a long time now that base PS4 runs PSVR fine because it's a playstation made device specially for it.
This sounds like a negationism campaign that's been going on for a while trying to push false believes

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KaiPow2745d ago

VR's still in its infancy, and you know what? The Pro makes the experience more enjoyable. Sure, I'd love a headset that's got a crisper IQ and higher DPI but I'm happy I got onboard this early in the technology.

ccgr2745d ago

The couple VR games I have played have ran fine on my original PS4

UltraDSA2744d ago

True, plain PS4 works great with PSVR but I won't hesitate to mention that the Pro makes a Huge difference. You don't need a Pro to have a great time with PSVR but the Pro takes the experience up a few levels.

inbetweener2745d ago

Remember when this guy's opinions were relevant?

SquidBuck2745d ago

Member no Isis?...I member.

IRetrouk2745d ago

Yeah! I member.....member power rangers

Alexious2745d ago

Looks like Team Ninja doesn't need him anymore, either. With Nioh they're set to go back to their former splendor.

thorstein2745d ago

Anyone that can't write a headline "PS4 Pro Is Just Rhetoric..." ought to have his computer revoked and disallowed from ever posting anywhere ever again.

game4funz2744d ago

Okay. Um no.
Let people write stupid headlines if they want to.
Go dictator somewhere else.

Rangerman12082744d ago

Also, isn't anyone going to comment that the guy who responded this is the one that made Devil's Third? Sure, he made the first to Ninja Gaiden games but he also made, like I said, Devil's Third. I even find it funny that the director is considering on making a sequel, despite that the game only sold, like, 3,000 copies in its first week. I mean, even PS Vita games sells more than that.

Kurdishcurse2744d ago

remember when different opinions werent answered with insecure ego inflation?

gangsta_red2744d ago

The Fifth of November. Remember, remember!

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After Elden Ring DLC Hidetaka Miyazaki Wants a New Installment for One of His Oldest Franchises

Hidetaka Miyazaki, a renowned director & president of FromSoftware has hinted how he might be soon making another Armored Core game.

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Helldivers 2 weapon rebalancing to get massive buff with studio’s new Chief Creative Officer

Pilestedt writes: "Very good question. First thing we got to do is ensure we get more devs time playing the game. It's hard to make the right decisions if the eyes aren't on the road.

Secondly, I want to ensure we actively look at the sentiment and create a holistic view of WHY feedback is given. And my working theory is that TTK is too high."

DivineHand1253h ago

They need to give us weapons that are fun to use. Right now you will have over 30 enemy patrols that randomly appear around you in a near never ending horde. Most of the weapons we are getting are either semi automatic guns that can take out 1 light armored mob if you hit the weak point or low damage automatic rifles with high recoil.

To make the game more fun, we need some fun futuristic weapons. I would love to see a gun that can fire elemental rounds except for incendiary and a proper thermite grenade.

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Naughty Dog Boss Neil Druckmann Says AI Will 'Revolutionize' Development

Druckmann claims the tech could 'push the boundaries of storytelling in games.'

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Jin_Sakai1d 3h ago

I’m more interested in what else he said.

“Neil Druckmann says new Naughty Dog title could ‘redefine mainstream perceptions of gaming’

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H922h ago

It will be something like "we erased gameplay all together it's just a movie now"

purple10122h ago

every time naughty dog make a game, you play it and get the feeling "this is not possible'

from the boulder running towards you in crash, on ps1,
to the massive open world of jak and daxter, on ps2,
to the QuickTime events sequences of uncharted on ps3/4

and now we will see what they do with ps5,

H921h ago

Press X for doubt at "PS5"

-Foxtrot19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Arrogant asshole who sniffs his own farts bigs up next game…sounds like typical PR to me

You know what I find interesting? Almost every site reporting this as the main title where the REAL interesting bit of the interview is Neil praising AI and saying it will be used to help push story, characters, dialogue and more.

It’s super shitty to big up AI especially when it comes to story telling and other creative elements.

senorfartcushion18h ago

Just because someone says this type of stuff, it doesn't mean that it's guaranteed to be good news.

You can say this about microtransactions. MXTs revolutionised the gaming industry.

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Levii_9219h ago

Geez how full of themselves are these guys.

Einhander197219h ago

He also said it has "ethical issues we need to address" but of course that doesn't get the clicks.

CrimsonWing6919h ago

I’m all for it. Cuts the time to make a game. Look, Hellblade 2 took 5 years to make, if AI can do that in half the time, as a consumer, I support it.

Chard8h ago

Things will get far sloppier brother

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