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Hands On: PS4 Pro Is a Big, Beautiful Step Forward

Push Square: "As we predicted a few months back, Sony's had a right job on its hands this holiday. Its two latest products – PlayStation VR and the PlayStation 4 Pro – are difficult to sell, because they need to be seen first-hand in order to be truly appreciated. We spent the best part of a year waxing lyrical about the power of virtual reality, and it's only in the past few weeks that people have started to realise that we were right. Sony's supercharged console doesn't innovate in quite the same way, but it still delivers a big and beautiful step forward that needs to be seen to be believed."

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ninsigma2742d ago

Some really good things to be said in this hands on. I agree I'm bored of the 4K/checkerboard arguments as well. The games will still be 4K albeit not natively but will still look bloody amazing. It's such a shame that its true potential can't be shown to us over the internet. I can't wait for mine to arrive on Thursday :D

SmielmaN2741d ago

Can't wait for mine either ninsigma. VR, supercharged PS4 Pro, elite PS4 controller. It's PlayStation enthusiast Nirvana.

ShowanW2741d ago

Best Buy is giving PS4 & 4Pro buyers a free copy of Sausage Party on Bluay or 4K Bluray... I suggest taking the 4K bluray copy of the movie since 4K blurays also come with standard blurays (and digital codes) as well...

ninsigma2741d ago

Not from the US and have mine ordered and paid with gamestop. Thanks for the heads up though. I'd say others will be interested to know :)

SirCharles2741d ago

If it isn't native than it isn't 4k

XanderZane2741d ago

That's pretty much what everyone said when XB1 games were upscaled to 1080P and looked great as well. QB used checkerboard process to upscale that game and it looked pretty incredible.

miyamoto2742d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

This is why Sony PlayStation is the undisputed leader and visionary of the video games industry.

Edit:
Sony PlayStation pushes both video game hardware and software content to progress together in harmony.

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kstuffs2742d ago

Yup visionary of the future by using 2.1 GHz Jaguar CPUs.

gamerswin242742d ago

And stepping forward and creating the only console vr that is competent, engrossing an really works. Even their PC counterparts are paying attention to how good the psvr is given its limited hardware. True innovators.

GTgamer2742d ago

It's not about what they use its about the results :)

Errorist762742d ago

Definitely more visionary than the competitor selling a three times slower console with a 1.75 Jaguar CPU for 50 dollars less....

Starman692742d ago

Its about balance and balance pal.... Consoles are kush.

Muzikguy2741d ago

Well I'd say to that they sure know how to use that CPU! Had they used a beefier one, we'd hear people complain about the price increase. I feel like Sony did the best job out of all their consoles this generation.

URNightmare2741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

You got OWNED by gamerswin24! Sit down and be quiet, kid!!

Markusb332741d ago

I take it your talking from experience of playing the pro and not from reading a spec sheet ? As that would just be silly.

breakdancefight2741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

Sony was an undisputed leader going into the PS3 generation and everyone had already written off MS with their oddly named 360.
Sony introduced the PS3 as a boutique electronics device that would power our lives,but would have to have a second job to afford. Sony and Kutaragi-sans decision to build that product nearly bankrupted the company.
We had an extended lifecycle do to an ailing games market and the AMD SoC was the only that either company would be able to even make a next get console.
Like the X1 S and the Scorpio coming soon this is an effort to remedy some of the current gen hardware issues without alienating or splitting the development community and fan base by releasing two vastly different systems.
Jaguar is here to stay until PS5 coming in 2018/2019.

Edito2741d ago

Vision has nothing to do with power.

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JayPi32741d ago

This is shilling a little too hard for my taste, I respect Playstation, hell I love the PS4 and I STILL regularly buy Vita games and happily paid for memory cards, but calling Playstation the "Undisputed leader and visionary" is a little much imo. If making a more powerful console is what you need to be a visionary then that's not saying much imo.

When it came to VR I would say Nintendo was probably first with the Virtual Boy way back when, and then Oculus Rift bringing it back for the modern age.

When it came to motion controls like the Move, once again Nintendo brought it back into the mainstream even though it was mostly a gimmick, Sony copied it a bit, and MS tried to expand on it but ultimately failed.

As excited as I am for prettier graphics with 4K and Pro and more stable frames with PRO I feel like there will never be a true "leader" or "visionary" in the gaming industry and should there ever be it would take more than just stronger specs to earn the title.

The closest thing i would say is a visionary is Nintendo, each of their consoles bring something new to the table, sure it's gimmicy but it's something innovative.

If being powerful and being able to push out higher resolutions and graphics makes a company leaders or visionaries then wouldn't that make the graphic card makers the ones who are the leaders?

Maybe by console's standards this is revolutionary or something but I don't get people gushing over everything Playstation does these days, I understand the love of the exclusives and the popularity but geez.

gamerswin242741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

Lol in no capacity was virtual boy actually virtual reality so try again. Sony are innovating on the vr front on consoles. You can try to take that away from them but your going to fail (Sega had a prototype unit years ago but it never made it to market because they just couldnt get it to work right) Sony are the first console makers to bring true vr into the market, Nintendo does not get credit for that with that terrible bs that was virtual boy and it wasn't virtual reality lol oculus creator and many other professionals all over agree as much, virtual boy was not vr, only in name.

As for oculus and psvr, sony has been doing vr almost as long (based off records oculus was working on it a few months before on PC ahead of sony who were doing it for consoles wow!! Lol). Add to that that creating a competent and immersive vr solution on a closed, limited hardware console as opposed to a PC (which is open and is more powerful) is a great feat in itself and very different, more challenging. Sony deserves all the kudos it gets, sorry try again. They are innovating on the console vr front.

Not for nothing and you say you own sony products blah blah blah but you sound very ignorant and like your trolling. Sony more than anyone lately are innovating in hardware, as well as software.

Funny I see you praising Nintendo so much lol I bet u think the switch is revolutionary right? Lol but PSP go already did on the go gaming with a TV dock for at home gaming. Your agenda seems pretty thick. Remote play has been also an innovative feature on Sony consoles for years lol but of course you come with the Nintendo stuff lol priceless.

Oh just saw your comment history! Your definitely a Nintendo fanboy lol trying to pass yourself off as a neutral gamer hahaha wow.

miyamoto2741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

A good leader thinks out of the box.
Do you think Nintendo or Microsoft can be assed to think or do something like this????
Nintendo is too stingy (underpowered-overpriced) and MS is too dumb (more money-less brains) too pull off something like a PS4 Pro.

FamilyGuy2741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

I think the PS4s Share Play feature makes Sony's console "visionary"
I think Sony's Live streaming of cable tv service, PS Vue, was "visionary"
I think Remote Play was "visionary"
I think Sony's Vr headsets comfortable design was "visionary"
I think the PS+ service offering games was "visionary"
I think "Game Sharing" was "visionary"

These were all great, useful, consumer friendly ideas that went beyond pushing graphical fidelity.
I try not to "gush over everything Playstation" and innovative ideas have come from all these console makers but give credit where it's due.

Sony/Playstation isn't a cult, they have actually released products and services worthy of some support.

Irishguy952741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

I love the MS hate, when MS standardized online gaming services for consoles. Remember was PS online used to be like? Playing catch up with MS for XBL is what got it so good today.(even though both are still rip offs).

In short, sometimes Sony are innovative, sometimes MS are, MOST of the time, some other company somewhere else is innovative, Sony and MS seize the oppertunity and COPY. They take there own little variations.

In this Case, Occulus pushed the VR standard to a high bar for MS and SONY to follow. MS partnered with Occculus. Sony went their own route and pushed the envelope even further with PS VR. Good for them.

However, who deserves the real credit? Occulus of course. Please don't take the credit from them for their success on VR, even if they have been a bit outdone by Sony's innovations on Occulus offering.

VR is where its at today because Occulus rift tried to make it that way. Console online gaming services, are where they are at today because MS pushed XBL(For better or worse, including the cost per year, but also the quality), Sony played catch up with both MS and Occulus and won(imo). But still, its like..giving credit to a manufacturer when some research team are the ones who actually enabled the manufacturor in the first place.

Please stop acting like Sony did it all themselves. They really didn't. What they did do was copy their competitors, and then innovate further on the copies. In this case at least.

What Sony deserve credit for is coming in with Ps1 and Ps2 and ****ing dominating everyone, introducing disk based storage for games and providing a wide array of quality games in different genres from Ps1-Ps4(the only company in gaming to do so). PS+ was nice too, last gen. Now its essentially the same as XBL gold. Take a step back and look at what each company has introduced to gaming. Now what products are on the market. Innovation and a quality product are not the same. Sony provide quality, but rarely innovate. Which is fine. Innovation is a stepping stone to a quality product. But in the end, all I want is to play a quality game for an affordable price.

1nsomniac2741d ago

@JayPi3 there is an immense amount of Sony homoerotic behaviour on N4G. Makes me very uncomfortable what people would do or say for an unaffiliated company that they think they have some sort of deep rooted connection with.

miyamoto2741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

Sony PlayStation is that rising tide that lifted many boats.
Sony PlayStation pushes both video game hardware and software content to progress together in perfect harmony.

The Sony PlayStation is the leader because of it's well rounded progressive forward thinking vision and efficient and economical approach to a well balanced hardware and software video gaming product.
Ken Kutaragi's vision of bringing digital entertainment to both young and adult still hold's true to this day.

The Nintendo S-SMP is the audio processing unit of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES) video game console.
Technical Details
The S-SMP audio processing unit consists of an 8-bit SPC700, a 16-bit DSP, 64 kB of SRAM shared by the two chips, and a 64 byte boot ROM. The audio subsystem is almost completely independent from the rest of the system: it is clocked at a nominal 24.576 MHz in both NTSC and PAL systems, and can only communicate with the CPU via 4 registers on Bus B. It was designed by Ken Kutaragi and was manufactured by Sony.

In the late 1980s, he was watching his daughter play a Famicom and realized the potential that existed within video games. At that particular time, Sony's executives had very little interest in video games. Thus, when Nintendo expressed the need for a wave-table sound chip for its upcoming new 16-bit system, Kutaragi immediately accepted. Working in secret, he designed and built the chip, the SPC700. When they found out, Sony's executives were furious. Only with Sony CEO Norio Ohga's help was Kutaragi able to push the project to completion and keep his job.
Nintendo owes Sony big time.

Sony (and Philips) invented the Compact Disc (CD-ROM) technology and made it's way to video game consoles and push the industry forward to an unprecedented industrial revolution while Nintendo held back to cartridges (but later on succumbed to it too).

Sony's CD-ROM defined a video game generation.

The CD-ROM Children:
0–9
3DO Interactive Multiplayer
A
Amiga CD32
Apple Bandai Pippin
Atari Jaguar CD
C
Philips CD-i
F
FM Towns Marty
H
HyperScan
N
Neo Geo CD
P
Panasonic M2
PC-FX
Playdia
PlayStation (console)
S
Sega CD
Sega Saturn
Super NES CD-ROM
T
TurboDuo
TurboGrafx-16

The PlayStation was the first console to sell over 100 million systems worldwide and made video games a legitimate form of adult entertainment worldwide. Something Nintendo can never do.

Sony has been developing the PS Move tech long before Nintendo copied Hillcrest Labs technology with the Wii Remote.
Sony's Wand on the PS2
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

Hillcrest Labs: Nintendo's Wii Infringing Our Patents
https://gigaom.com/2008/08/...

I can go on and on ....

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susanto12282742d ago

A big step forward? Not according to the specs..sorry

ninsigma2742d ago

According to actual hands on, you're wrong :)

SquidBuck2742d ago

You know a gtx 1080 can't do native 4k at 60fps, and that card is 700+. In terms of consoles, this is a big step up.

kstuffs2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

2.1 GHz Jaguar is not a big step up. They went for resolution but forgot the brain.

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PrinterMan2742d ago

A GTX 1080 can do native 4K at 60 fps. I know, I have one.

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jonivtec2741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

Jalous guy...my gtx 1070 do native 4k with some settings dropped but still highly better you will ever get on your ps4 pro.Come on 3 years console cycle get ridiculous.Buy if you want but pc is becoming the real revelant choice if you want visual fidelity.

DJ2741d ago (Edited 2741d ago )

Kstuffs, my work PC is 2.3 Ghz, but because it's 16 cores it's a 3D beast.. 8 jaguar cores is damn good for a $400 console

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TKCMuzzer2742d ago

It depends what your looking at. Higher res, or better VR games, better streaming options, higher quality sharing options, better 1080p options, better Wi-Fi and first party studios to utilize it. Of course as I said, if your a numbers guy (which to many so called gamers are), then maybe not for you. For the price, there is a valid argument his statement is correct.

Thatguy-3102742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

As far as I remember it's the most powerful console out in the market.

Utalkin2me2742d ago

@susanto1228

I would say being 2 times stronger then the strongest console already A.K.A the PS4, for just a mere 100 dollars more is a great leap forward.

Aceman182742d ago

You frigging people are becoming so GD boring its doing somethig pretty good and you yall do is just constantly bring this negative crap here.

Both sides need to let this crap go. I'll probably get the Pro before the end of the year.

trooper_2742d ago

And what do you know about the specs? So basically the positive reviews are wrong?

snoopgg2742d ago

Most powerful console out there right now, they have no competition and are playing second to nobody. Sony has done well this generation. This will only allow them to do better with ps5. Their console specs are the best on the market right now.

Hardiman2742d ago

I would argue that what they are doing with said specs and the tech is what is revolutionary but to each their own.

Yohshida2742d ago

According to this sony site it is lol

Dark_Knightmare22742d ago

Yeah let's just ignore digital foundry,ign etc plus all the positive experiences from people who got the pro early. Seriously don't be a hater dude its petty and sad.

Silly gameAr2742d ago

If this is a Sony site, then why are people like you here? This is a site for gamers, just so happens that some people are in love with their brand of toys more than others, and try to crap on others that aren't.

raWfodog2742d ago

Article is clearly referring to actual, final visual results and you're concerned about 'specs'?

So, in your opinion, if any system somehow produced some of the best graphics or visuals that you have seen to-date, you would think less of it because the internal components weren't as good as you thought they should be?

miyamoto2742d ago

It's not the size but how you use it.

Markusb332741d ago

So based on a bit of paper you can judge results of visuals and performance ! Wow you must have a good job being do intelligent. So from a reciept list of ingredients can you tell me what a dish will taste and smell like before its cooked ? What a talent you have.

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Bolts2742d ago

The biggest problem with the Pro isn't the specs. It's how it's being held back by the PS4 peasants. We will never know it's true potential as it's being relegated to being nothing more than an upscaling and better textures machine.

ClayRules20122742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

I don't mean any disrespect to at all, please understand that.

Having said that, why're you saying it's being held back by the "PS4 peasants" Do you expect Sony to just drop support to the 40 million gamers who currently own the standard PS4?

@Ju
I believe in being respectful to people as much as possible, even if that "said" person doesn't deserve it. I ry & get my point across or ask a question with kindness in hopes that a person will take a moment to think about how they acted & apologize or at least try to better themselves/learn something. I really try to not lower myself to that persons level of disrespect/ignorance.

Just speaking from the heart.

Ju2742d ago

Why are you worried about being respectful, when Bolts basically disrespected the entire PS4 gamer community?

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trooper_2742d ago

The positive news must be heart breaking.

GTgamer2742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

Ps4 peasants? pleaseeee don't start that Bs

Maxor2742d ago

LOL PS4 peasants. It starts. I think in beginning both consoles will co-exists but it's only a matter of time until the Pro will break the shackles of it's lesser sibling. Which brings up an interesting comparison with the Skorp. Perhaps the main difference between the Pro and the Scorpio isn't the 4 TF vs 6 TF but the policies. If MS allows for true Scorpio exclusives and features then the gap between the two will be further apart.

HallowedSoul12742d ago

Just will further prove the scorpio is ms attempt at slickly abandoning another gen like the original xbox. Please explain to me how ms introduces a new console that is 4.55 times better than the original xbox one plus it will possibly allow true exclusives and it's somehow still considered a mid gen upgrade. Nobody should be praising ms for abandoning another gen early because they are losing to sony again. I'm sorry but no matter what with scorpio exclusives or not 4.55 times tflops is just way too much to be called a mid gen upgrade. That's like nvidia coming out with 1080ti that's 4 times better than the 1080 and saying it's still in same graphics family not even the Titan x Pascal is 4 times better. It's crazy how ms fans aren't noticing the scorpio is so far ahead specs wise its clearly next gen.

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Elda2742d ago

Good to be one than an XBO.

KwietStorm_BLM2742d ago

"We will never know it's true potential as it's being relegated to being nothing more than an upscaling and better textures machine."

As opposed to what? It's an upgraded PS4. That is exactly what it is. It's not PlayStation 5. It's not a new generation, obviously being only 3 years in. Realistically, both PS4 and Xbox One are weak, and the Pro and Scorpio are what we should have gotten in the first place, but you like another typical internet goer, poking the hornets nest, if your argument is the "PS4 peasants" are somehow holding back it's potential. Who do you think designed the system?

colonel1792742d ago

The only way Sony would start making PS4 Pro Only games, is if the majority of people who already owns a PS4, switch to a PS4 Pro. However, that's would be really hard to measure.

nitus102741d ago

Sony would know how many PS4's as well as their variants including the PS4pro they have sold. I am quite sure that even if most of the PS4 sales going forward are the PS4pro you would still have over 40 million potential customers that use the old PS4 that you as a developer would be stupid to ignore.

iceman062742d ago

Well, in all honesty, that is the idea behind a mid-gen. upgrade. You don't want a quantum leap because that would alienate over 40 million people. So you go for just enough shine and polish to entice the core to want to upgrade, while keeping in spitting distance with existing hardware. Anything else wouldn't be a mid-gen upgrade. It'd pretty much be a new console.

nitus102741d ago

What an idiotic statement. This is no more different than what the so call PC elitists blab on about and who are a sheer embarrassment to the genuine high-end PC gamer, especially those who can design and build their own systems.

Got the money well you to can play games in 8K, not that low-resolution 4K. https://www.youtube.com/wat... (LinusTechTips).

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Hardiman2742d ago

Lets see what I have on hand....4k 65 inch HDR tv check, games that have been patched to take advantage of the Pro's abilities check, eagerness to play said games check, now all I need is the Pro. Thursday can't get here fast enough. I just wished folks could see how good 4K and HDR look in motion. You just can't appreciate it until you see it in person.

ClayRules20122742d ago (Edited 2742d ago )

No need to reply to my reply on a previous article, in which I was curious about if you had a 4K HDR capable tv. I got my answer reading this comment, lol.

I'm really curious to see the difference in many of these games. Especially Horizon:Zero Dawn & Days Gone. Both already looked gorgeous from the E3 demos shown on the standard PS4.

Hardiman2741d ago

I'm sorry I didn't see the comment or I would have let you know. Everything I've heard about the Pro has me excited but yeah the Samsung KS8000 is a great tv.

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Markusb332741d ago

Come on now that would just be logical. Everyone on here can tell you just from reading specs ps pro is shit. Why would you need to try something in person when morons on the internet think watching 4k hdr footage is ok to watch on a hd tv.

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Microsoft Is Finally Ending Its Focus On Big Budget Gaming Nonsense

Back when the Xbox 360 launched, Microsoft pushed the big budget game as a differentiator. Following all the recent layoffs, it’s clear this strategy has run its course.

Einhander197211h ago(Edited 11h ago)

The Microsoft shill take on the Microsoft causing the death of big budget gaming...

The whole driving force for growth in gaming both technologically, creatively and financially was all nonsense, and it was definitely not because Microsoft ran the industry into the ground with obviously bad decisions and creating an unprofitable business model that massively disrupted consumer spending habits. /s

RpgSama10h ago

First, F**** Forbes and their shill take, I hope the money cleared by now.

Second, Which big budget games I might ask? Microsoft has been in a rut for like a decade now, with no big publisher and developers puechases they would have not released anything in the last 5 years but the new Halo and Forza.

Eonjay7h ago

Fortunately for us, since we know this message is basically coming from Microsoft, we can read into their motives. Why are they trying to turn people against big budget games and who would it help.... hmmm.

neutralgamer19926h ago

GP is like any content service it needs new content. AAA games take 100 plus million (low end estimates since most AAA games take double that) and it 4-5 years to develop. That’s why there were 2 god of war games instead of 3 because Cory felt like it would take too long

I am not defending MS. That’s just the reality when you put all your eggs in one basket (gamepass) and now they need content. Sadly that’s what we all said would happen and is happening. GP will be a service for AA games with 1-2 AAA games on yearly basis. And I am all for AA games because to me that’s where developers can take chances on smaller budgets but MS has mismanaged this whole situation from the beginning. Their messaging needs to be clear and it’s not

They own so many studios and IP’s they just need to get everyone on schedule so that there are games releasing every few months on GP. But I don’t even think Phil knows what he wants. It seems his goals change constantly

Game pass is not a sustainable and take two ceo was right when he said that it doesn’t make any business sense to release huge AAA games day one on GP. Just like call of duty shouldn’t be on GP because why give up on 15-20 million sales

Einhander19724h ago

"And I am all for AA games because to me that’s where developers can take chances on smaller budgets"

How'd that work out for Tango?

Do you think less AAA games will increase game pass revenue or decrease it when it has less value? What if they also have to increase the costs?

S2Killinit5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Right on.

Hahaha MS has ended “focus” on games? Lol when? 3 generations ago maybe?

notachance15m ago

Man I don’t know what the writer is smoking, anyone with a braincell can see what will happen is the exact opposite, they’re gonna double down on big name IPs and turn them into GaaS and milk them to the extreme with multiple studios focusing on specific IPs instead of creating their own games.

It was so clear with the way they keep 343 despite multiple failures and shutting down Tango even after winning awards, MS is a service provider and not a product creator, they will buy the product from others and turn it into a service.

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Hofstaderman11h ago

Ah Forbes. One of the prominent MS mouthpieces....

Luc2010h ago

Microsoft is finally... ahhh I've never heard this one before!

Petebloodyonion10h ago

LOL, this article is a big pile of dog crap...
Spencer has been constantly telling ppl that NO they would not go the route of having games like TLOU, Uncharted, etc because Playstation exists and prefers to focus on a diverse portfolio.

How many years have we seen Xbox as no game and we don't want small games like ORI, Pentiment, Grounded, etc.?

That's the real tragedy and why lots of gamers are mad at MS right now
because they have been championing smaller titles and yet fired the ppl delivering exactly what they were proning about.

So no the only nonsense is that MS seems now to be going BACK to AAA popular titles..sorry, I meant refocusing effort on core established IP where broken GAAS might be rewarded versus praised and rewarded work.

Einhander197210h ago(Edited 10h ago)

https://media1.tenor.com/m/...

You read an article cheerleading the end of big budget games and all the other articles about problems and this is what you have to say? That's what you think "the real tragedy" is?

I thought that xbox fans might finally "get it", but no, it seems they don't even understand what is happening and what is at stake.

Petebloodyonion7h ago

Please tell me what's happening and what is at stake

Since it's not big companies closing small studios, killing innovation while refocusing assets on big ongoing projects and core IP?

Let's See MS Close Tango Studio mentions that they are too thin on key project
Sony Close London Studio and make massive cuts in Firespite will reallocate resources to core project
EA will focus on Core project
Square will focus on big established IP
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crazyCoconuts10h ago

Hurray! No more big gam.... wait... what??

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