6 Reasons To Buy An 'Xbox One S' Instead Of A 'PS4 Pro'

For video games and the people who love to play them, 2016′s holiday season is the first since 2013 in which brand new video game consoles are being sold. Granted, these aren’t brand new in the same way the PS4 and Xbox One were brand new three years ago, but they do represent significant refreshes to both Sony and Microsoft’s gaming systems.

[Genuine-User]

Reads reason number 1: UHD blu-ray playback

Closes website. Faceplam.

Edit: to be clear and reasonably fair, I think some of the points are interesting and I don't disagree per se. But to start of with an optical drive is head scratching.

If you're in the market with a budget and don't care much about supersampling, higher framerates and enhanced graphics but need a UHD player, the Xbox One S might be a good fit for you.

If you don't care about Xbox One exclusives, UHD blu-ray playback and you're on a budget? PS4 Slim is a smaller, quieter and the more powerful option.

If you can spend a little a extra for enhanced features, there's only one option in the console space.

[S2Killinit]

Hahaha yup. My sentiments exactely.

I think from a business standpoint Sony has essentially killed scorpio by releasing the PS4 Pro. Think about it, the PS4 Pro has the benefit of being novel for 2 reasons:
1) it has a bigger power gap against existing consoles at time of its release (2-3 times more powerful than the others) AND
2) it has the novelty of introducing VR to console gamers.

When scorpio releases, it will only be (roughly) 33% more powerful than other existing consoles. (For those that arent good at math the PS4 Pro, by comparison is between 200%-300% more powerful than existing consoles)
Also by that time console gamers will already be fimiliar with VR.

So, yeah i think PS4Pro is going to really staggnate the sales of scorpio.

[UltimateMaster]

Yeah, failed article.
The Xbox One S can't even output 1080p for gaming "but it does 4k movies!"
It just makes all of us remember the launch of the Xbox One where it was all about TV! TV, TV! Kinect!! Kinect!! and DRM DRM DRM.
We rather just forget the console and just move on to the Scorpio.

[Neonridr]

that makes no sense. If Scorpio released this fall too what would you say about the Pro? It has no competition so of course it looks great standing there by itself. Let's see how the landscape looks in 12-14 months when the Scorpio is here and we are comparing games side by side with the Pro.

The bottom line is the Scorpio will still be MORE powerful than the Pro. Comparing the Pro to the XB1 is simply ridiculous. That's like comparing the PS4 to the Xbox 360. Of course one is going to look better than the other.

[S2Killinit]

@Neonrdr
It does, read the comment more carefully.
Im just pointing out the fact that if a person wants to see a huge graphical leap, PS4Pro delivers that more than scorpio in over a year's time. By then people have seen things that make the scorpio a slight bump in graphics.

Im not saying scorpio isnt powerful. Although all we know is the "6tfps" claim.

[darthv72]

Actually both have their pros and cons and would make worthy additions to any games entertainment center.

@s2... dude you are 'killin' everyone with the lather, rinse, repeat you keep spreading. Please stop, you aren't helping anything and only making other ps4 users look bad. Seriously...

@fenome... i am reminded back when ps3 released how many did not have hdtv to take advantage of the bluray but that didnt stop people from eventually getting one and some movies to enjoy on it.

Just because people dont have 4k tv now doesnt mean they never will. Especially since the Pro is designed for 4k. It just lacks one piece to really be the total entertainment package for 4k.

Instead of the diehard fans making excuses they should just admit this one mistake. Nobody will think lesser of them. They can still be a ps fan. I am and i think this one criticism is valid and other sony fans think so as well. Or at least they find it a very odd decision.

[BossBattle]

That's stupid wishful thinking. The PS4 Pro hasn't killed the Scorpio. There's a very big anticipation for the Scorpio. Sony releasing the PS4 Slim, PS4 Pro, and PSVR all at once is a mistake. All of those aren't going to sell well at the same time once Christmas passes. And also that's serously dividing the Sony consumer base releasing all those at once. To be honest the small difference you'll get in the Pro isn't worth the upgrade and money. Most PS4 owners know that. There's been a big backlash on the lacking specs and features of the PS4 Pro already. Whereas the Scorpio is a massive difference from the X1.

[fenome]

How many of you actually own a 4k tv right now, with a stack of 4k blurays to go along with it? Lets be real for a minute, I'm an early adopter with most tech but I've still put off on a 4k tv because it was hella expensive and there wasn't much content available.

I earn my money and my 60 inch samsung does just fine. I am looking to upgrade though and now that they're at a decent price I think I'll jump in.

A lot of people mock the Pro and praise Scorpio, but all they've toted is base specs without really showing anything otherwise, it's not going to be cheap and it's not coming out until the 3rd part of this gen. Are you ready to pay next gen prices for this gens consoles?

Unless gens are just getting phased out by consoles now and they're just going to start releasing "upgrades" from here on out. If that's the case then why even get a Scorpio? All their games are going to PC now, you're better off just getting a tower and updating cards than buying a whole new console.

I'm all for upgrades, but mid gen switch-ups are new, we'll just have to see what happens. I'm just here for the games.

[alb1899]

So, in every article about this, you gays are copy and pasting the same as if like that you will convince everyone of your reasons.
The Pro was first than Scorpio. Scorpio is a reaction of MS, product of the competition which we get all the benefits.
The only reason of the existence of the Pro is the PSVR. Sony was in a good and comfortable place but wanted to hit first with VR and the ps4 isn't strong enough so it happens.
MS made a very intelligent move.....I don't know why is so hard to recognize, MS put in a in an uncomfortable situation SONY BECAUSE, let's face it, the xoneS is a really good choice and the Scorpio is really a monster.
Some of you think that the Pro makes more impact but how? Remember that HDR was here with the xoneS and now with the ps4. The Pro doesn't support native 4K and doesn't have uhdbd as the xoneS.
The Scorpio will support native 4K and more choices for VR.....and more powerful choices too.
The way it should be was Sony just releasing the Slim with the features of the xoneS and in a year release the VR with a very powerful console.
Some of you think that the Scorpio will be the most powerful console for just one year but do you really think is good for you and for SONY to buy/release a ps4 then in two years a slim and a pro and then in one or two a ps5?

[Jaw1love]

Holy shit dude are you just going to copy and paste the same thing into every article on here. I mean I get that it took you like 5 hours to write those few paragraphs and you're super proud but slow your roll a little

[conanlifts]

Oops double reply, so i deleted this comment.

[thejigisup]

@neonridr

...and the psvita is stronger than the gameboy... the ps4 is stronger than the ps3, they didnt release at the same time, i think thats the point

[fenome]

@Mixdup because you replied to me...

That was actually a different format though, I don't see your point. HD DVDs or Bluray... HD dvds went the way of the dodo, along with cassettes and 8tracks. Bluray is standard, no question about that.

I get sucked into this shit, I don't care if you wanna wait it out and get scorpio, cool, do that. I hate that we feed off this crap anyways. Did we forget about games in this pissing contest?

This is why I hardly comment anymore. I still have my Super Nintendo and boot that bitch up now and then. I don't care about the 'specs', I'm a gamer.

I don't care if you play on xbox, playstation, pc, atari, genesis or whatever. Everybody just seems to hate on shit lately and I guess I'm jaded. There's just so much cool stuff going on right now though in our industry and everybody just tries to bring everything down, it just doesn't make sense to me.

Anyways....rant over

[dantesparda]

"6 Reasons To Buy An 'Xbox One S' Instead Of A 'PS4 Pro"
1. None
2. None
3. None
4. None
5. None
6. None

Unless you want a vastly inferior experience. Forbes is crazy and stupid and nobody should take this disillusioned rag seriously.

I see all you dumb typical fanboys think there will be a tangible difference between the pro and the Scorpio, prepare to be let down, and even worst you people actually believe that the Scorpio will be a true a 4K machine at only 6 AMD TF (in other words, weak!). Prepare to wait 14 extra months for nothing. The differences wont even be noticeable.

[mikeslemonade]

One reason why your opinion is disqualified and wrong.

Xbox has no exclusives.

[Ju]

I totally agree with you. When people are "underwhelmed" today, MS needs a miracle to sell the 33% as ground breaking new. Especially if we will have seen 4K games running for over a year by then. Even if it will look better, which I don't doubt.

[butchertroll]

@neonridr

Quote :
If Scorpio released this fall too what would you say about the Pro?
.....

Would you buy a Scorpio at 699$ at least if Scorpio comes out this fall, hm?

[s45gr32]

If Scorpio delivers NATIVE 4K resolution at 60 frames per second. Then no, but the Xbox One S for a measly $300.00 plus tax offers:

UPSCALE UPSCALE 4K RESOLUTION
HDR
UHD blu-ray disc support 😎
MOD support
Backwards compability

So, I am scratching my head here; the only advantage the PS4 Pro has is VR . So in many gamers eyes not fanboys, the xbox one slim is the better option of the two. Unless of course, they want VR.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/x...

Yes it says 4K but we all know is UPSCALE 4K resolution not NATIVE.

Me I will still play on PC. But the PS4 Pro is underwhelming

[strifeblade]

@killnit
you know your pretty bad at math. the scorpio is 50% more powerful than the ps4. 6tflops vs 4tflops. 1.5 times greater than ps4. The damage control here is unreal lol

[Yetter]

Holy crap dude, how many articles are you going to post the exact same comment on?

[JustGamin85]

Honestly i have no idea what i will end up doing. Always had a Sony since Ps1 and upwards and while i did buy the OG xbox that was the last console that i owned from MS. Heres the kicker while the PS4 Pro is a nice upgrade to current model i cant deny that Scorpio is not playing around and 33% more power is nothing to dismiss. At the end of the day im stuck with do i build a pc (which will be my 1st one), or get a ps4 pro or just stick with what i already have and get a scorpio and enjoy owning a ps4 and a scorpio. Of course i may very well hold off on upgrading and save up the money for a 4k tv... lol

[Gazondaily]

Some of the other reasons were mod support and BC JUST in case you were interested.

Pro's real competitor is the Scorpio. Whilst the UHD blu-ray playback or lackthereof for the Pro is something for some movie enthusiasts etc to consider, it will have a year to itself.

I am intrigued to see what kinda results the Digital Foundry comparisons will showcase next year. How big will the actual difference be? Can Scorpio do native 4k? That's where the real comparison starts 😁

[S2Killinit]

No the real comparison will start in reality where we actually have two real consoles to compare.

Then when the claimed specs of scorpio actually take form of an existing console, and we find out exactely how long from now it will arrive, THEN we can compare scorpio with PS4Pro. Not yet.

[Eonjay]

The DF comparisons will start immediately and not next year so basically Xbox will get slayed for another full year at least. Then it will get more interesting because even if both machines are outputing 4k most people sitting at their computers wont.even be able to see 4k... just a compressed likeness. We know this because the team already said that they can't properly convey the Pro's visuals to us. Therefore we need a new medium for 4k clips and comparisons. Its a little frustrating not being able to 'see'it.

[FamilyGuy]

Is anyone concerned about how big the Scorpio is going to be? I mean its actual, physical size.

The PS4 Pro is bigger than the standard PS4 because the extra power causes more heat so it needs better cooling. Wouldn't that cause a more powerful console to be even bigger? 6Tf, 12Gb RAM. I just imagine it's gonna be this big, clunky, expensive, hot, loud machine. One of my biggest reasons for not getting into gaming on a PC is the size/aesthetics, price, heat and power consumption that all grow in tandem the more powerful you make it.
Scorpio might really look like a PC.

[Markusb33]

Why is everyone comparing a spec list to a console that doesn't exist yet ? When Scorpio does come out it may not be when they originally said. Plus it's next gen can't anyone see this ? The price will be high no where near ps4 pro. Scorpio is next gen with bc they are starting again. No point in comparing the 2 at all. Intersted to see how high the price is of Scorpio but it's a generation jump not a mid generation boost.

[Skillz1215]

so if a game is garbage but can do 4k it is automatically good? Great logic there fan boY!!!!Sony has exclusives MS ehh well....can you help me here?

[IGiveHugs2NakedWomen]

Scorpio hasn't even been put up for pre-order yet so the PS4 Pro currently has no competition and won't have any for an entire year.

[SonyAddict]

Dood I have a 1000 pound gaming rig and that haves a hard time with 1080p never mind 4k lol keep dreaming

[fanboysmackdown]

You just keep showing your true fanboy colors every article don't you?

[ScorpionKing]

TBH they dropped the ball by not releasing it with a UHD blu-ray playback. It makes no sense.

Xbox will end up winning this generation, just like sony did with the PS3 near the end.

[MrEnglish]

But the PS3 and it's Blu-ray drive was an awesome addition...... and many of you used that system as your primary media center....

Just repeating what most one console owners say and said.

Facepalm

[N4Flamers]

I'm buying a ps4p but I think it's a bone headed decision to exclude the uhd blueray player. This coming from the same company that pushed blueray on us is baffling. It makes the ps4p underwhelming. The kick in the face is that your crappy competition can do something you can't. It lessens the experience.

[eferreira]

A lot has changed since 2007. Why would they push a dying format

[GamingIVfun]

How this dumb article made me decide to buy a PS4 pro.

[s45gr32]

The Scorpio ( enhanced features and power in the console space).

[OB1Biker]

Forbes : Play movies on expensive discs > 3x more power to play games

[bicfitness]

People sorely underestimate the benefit of launching first, too. The 360s entire trajectory was determined by its early launch over the PS3. No one wants to wait a year for the promise of more power. That's absurd. Consumer demand and markets don't work that way. Only the most dedicated fanboys will hold their breath that long.

PS4 Pro is gonna sell like hotcakes. Still, it's funny to see the faithful console warriors showing their true colors at the first sign of perceived--not real--weakness. Both sides are equally embarrassing, though it's the Xbox ones causing the circus atm. When the dust settles, the holiday will end with the PS4 having absolutely trounced the competition. MS's magical mystery box sizzle reel won't do anything to change that. In fact the X1 is still down YoY despite a "record breaking" hardware refresh.

[NeoGamer232]

So if UHD is not important to you why would you even consider a PS4 Pro?

It plays all the same games as a PS4 but does so at a higher resolution. It is not designed to change gameplay. It is only designed to make things look better and run a bit smoother.

I think that not including a UHD Blu-ray is a massive over sight. The purpose of PS4 Pro is to support 4K for games. A secondary reason why many people buy a console is for the Blu-ray playback. If you have a 4K TV and are looking at buying a console it makes sense that you'd but a console with 4K Blu-ray.

[NecoTehSergal]

Not to mention, Sony is the brand name that customers know usually push the newest media player. PS1 to CD-ROMS, PS2 to DVD's and PS3 to Blu-ray. PS4 didn't do it, but casual-consumers likely won't understand or even think that Xbox S is 'a cheaper UHD/4K blu-ray player' - Because? PS1/PS2/PS3 at the time were Cheaper CD/DVD/Blu-ray players than the Players-standalone, which helped drive sales.

Xbox S, if they try to boast that it has UHD as a strongpoint? Guess what. No one will care enough, only the hardcore fanboys will flaunt it, but the Majority won't care. As, NPD shows of course that only 8% of Americans/North Americans own 4K TV's, so not enough can take advantage of a 4K blu-ray player. So? The drawback will be Xbox/Microsoft shooting themselves in the foot by advertising technology that's not yet ready. They're probably praying to be the ones to help push the media format and 4K TV's to help grow their console. Problem? Xbox S has to be more expensive than a standalone player. It's going to be more expensive than PS4 Pro, and because of this? PS4 Pro will beat it in sales. I'll bet everything on this analysis.

Xbox S is going to be a beefed up console that also has UHD Blu-ray? The price HAS to be higher than $399, Microsoft is going to have to bite the bullet and either sell it dirt-cheap and lose a lot of money per-unit - or sell it expensive and try to break even - but at the cost of pulling a PS3's "$599 US DOLLARS" moment and? Killing themselves of any chance of having success with Scorpio, Cause a cheap $399 PS4 Pro, that pricetag will be more persuasive to casual consumers than Xbox's campaign and perks for Xbox S.

[AndreR]

its not strange at all.sony wanted to keep the price down and if ps4 pro would have a UHD blu-ray player inside then it would cost more. The playstation 4 is not a movie player its a gaming machine. i dont care about watching movies on my console.

[MrEnglish]

Oh really, so I guess all you guys who say "it's a gaming machine, not a movie player " won't be streaming anything neither..... no Netflix, no Amazon, no Hulu because after all its for games only right?

[vegasgamerdawg]

You can't understand the order, your order would be better. A lack of an option baffles you as to why that's a negative. Go off topic talking about the PS4 slim. You might be a fanBOY! Wow! Thanks for playing, great rant.

[Sexius Maximus]

This is in NO WAY a PS4P bashing article.

Two things:
1) All six reasons are factual. Whether they are important to each individual is up for debate, but the points are valid.
2) There is PLENTY of praise for the PS4P in the article. It mentions it's better hardware numerous times.

Wouldn't be surprised if Forbes is working on another article entitled "6 reasons to buy a PS4P."

[yomfweeee]

They are stretching the truth on some of those things.

Counting the MCC as 4 games?
PSN has not been down more than Live in the past year.

[darthv72]

You mean there aren't 4 games in the MCC? I guess the Nathan Drake collection isnt 3 games either?

Just because the package may be one piece, the content on it can be multiple. That just makes it more bang for the buck.

[yomfweeee]

A game you can get for $7 standalone, but somehow it is a big deal it is in the bundle.

[babadivad]

Both of those statements are true. MCC is 4 games in one. And PSN is generally less stable the Xbox Live.

[aconnellan]

What? MCC is quite literally 4 games - Halo 1, Halo 2, Halo 3, and Halo 4. Every campaign, full multiplayer, the works (plus Halo 3 ODST, so technically 4 and a half).

Like another commenter said, that's the same as calling the Nathan Drake collection 1 game instead of 3.

You can argue the number of outages between PSN and XBL all day because there's actually an argument there to be had, but calling MCC 1 game? You can do better

[GamingIVfun]

@ yomfweee

Halo Master Chief collection is 4 games you can buy for 15 to 20 bucks, Halo 4 is 15 to 20 bucks, referring to value for purchase, the games include with Xbox One S are worth 30 to 40 bucks, probably less. I am Agreeing but giving an explanation.

@ darthv72 and @babadivad

Nearly every multi player game that comes out on Xbox LIve has serious problems at release, all the Gear of War Games, Halo The Master Chief collection, hell even Uno played terrible on Xbox Live, and Neverwinter has more lag than the PS4 version. Xbox Live has never been the Gold standard as far as I'm concerned. I have been with Xbox Live since the beta, Microsoft gave me the Xbox Live anniversary console for being a beta tester. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm talking about.

The point with the games is that they can be bought very cheaply, get it .

[yomfweeee]

Hey guys, I know MCC has 4 games in it. But apparently you don't get my point. If you want to compare system bundles, you can't act say something like "the MCC X1 Bundle has 3 more games than the UC4 PS4 bundle" and act like that is a reason to get the X1. That's completely misleading. It is a single X1 game and it is literally only worth $7.

CDkeys has it for $8.29 right now and it has been below $7 in the past week.

[MagicBeanz]

I'd be surprised.

[NotEvenMyFinalForm]

Something people keep forgetting about because of their outrage about Uhd Bluray is that the original PS4 still play games at higher resolution and better performance than the Xbone S. And not to mention that currently the PS4 still has more high rated games too! Which is the reason people buy consoles, to play games you know.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Maybe they forget that because it's the exception and not the norm....and even on my 4k Samsung 70in tv....very rarely has it made much of a difference. I still do all my multiplat gaming on X1 instead (yes now an S), simply because X1 has a better UI, Controller, and Network IMO (and even exclusives...this gen PS exclusives have been a let down no matter how much Metacritic has been skewed by fanboys). NEVER ONCE have I been playing a multiplat game on X1 and thought....."man but the PS4 version is a higher res". Side by side you have to TRY and notice 99% of the time....even then it's nothing to brag about. That's why I hope with Pro/Scorpio they don't try to push 4k games, but just more solid 1080p/60fps games with more effects/AI. Right now games like UC4 skimped HEAVILY on AI and gameplay to make it LOOK great...which I guess fits into the style of game it is, but the AI was utterly stupid...like two gens ago stupid.

I normally pride myself on getting every console of the big three every gen, but honestly right now I don't see what would make me want to get a Pro...and it's sad that it's comparisons are against the Slim...there SHOULD be no comparison between the two....but then again, I suppose comparing it to Scorpio kills the narrative people are trying to push to show PS is "still king". At least right now X1 can say it's better than PS4 in certain areas even if sometimes it's at a lower res/fps. X1 can still say it has what is widely known as the best controller in the industry, a better more robust UI (with MUCH more support), and MUCH MUCH MUCH better network. When Scorpio releases and goes against Pro...there won't be a SINGLE ASPECT of gaming where the Pro is better, it will lose in EVERY SINGLE CATEGORY. Sony USED to be the king of exclusives, this gen they typically fall short, and the only have one worth playing each year. Pro will have the inferior network, controller, UI, VR options (and no AR option) and now won't even play multiplats better (meaning that maybe series' like COD will jump ship again).

If MS decides to take a loss and sell the Scorpio at the same price as Pro, it would be devastating to Sony. Scorpio is rumored to be using Zen processors, with 12 gbs of Ram and 6.2+ Teraflops of GPU power.....now true, power and res aren't everything...I completely agree with that being as X1 is my lead console this gen, but that was ALL PS4 had in it's favor (again, don't let fanboy skewed Metacritc reviews fool you).

[Strange_Evil]

I look at your points and it seems like a long post by a user who is salty and trying to console himself that his purchase is better than the competitor.

Your main points:
1) Better Controller: Subjective. It doesn't matter to me personally. I would get a better looking game on a PS4 as opposed to a worse looking/running game if the controller preference was the last thing I had to consider.
2) Better UI: PS4's UI is more snappier IMO.
3) Better Network: Please. This is 2016 and both have equally good network services. This is not the PS3 era. You could say that you have friends on XBN and hence it you better for YOU, but saying the service is straight out better is a lie.
3) Xbox has better Exclusives: Again subjective. Popular vote is that PS4 has better exclusives year on year and I agree with it. There is nothing on the Xbox that comes close to UC4 or Bloodborne IMO. There I said it. Also how is Metacritic 'fanboy skewed'. You do know that metacritic is averages of all critics. By definition it is not fanboy skewed since it it the averages. Seriously did you really mean that? Cause if you did, that is really stupid.

Don't even get me started on the whole Scorpio will own the market. Scorpio is still a year out with no release date in sight or even a price range at this moment. If Sony came out next E3 and revealed that a PS4 Pro 2 is coming out the next fall as they are moving to a 2 year cycle with 8TFLOPS power, then I wouldn't be shocked and that doesn't mean the end of Scorpio. They are iterating faster like smartphones.

The thing that matters this gen is that the base consoles will need support which means that devs are gonna support a console with the most market share and PS4 already has a massive lead on that front. With PS4P launching a year earlier, by the time Scorpio drops, PS4P will have a massive lead as well.

[GrubsterBeater]

You can't tell the difference between 720p/900p and 1080p on a 70" 4K Samsung TV?!

That's how I KNOW you are lying, and how I know you don't actually own a PS4. If you did, then you would be blown away by the difference of the two. Stop lying, we all know you are a XBOX fanboy, and that statement was ridiculous.

There is so much fanboy and delusion in the rest of your post, that I am at a loss for words. I don't think there is any logical reasoning that could help you understand how wrong everything you said is. You are a fanboy though, so I don't expect you to see things in reality, you just see things in a way that makes the XBOX not seem any worse than PS.

[moegooner88]

We can see your comments history. Try harder next time.

[LexHazard79]

Great comment man...

[Sparta07]

You forgot to say your opinion.
Cause I highly disagree.
The fact is games on the the PS4 looks better then anything on Xboxone. If you have a4k tv you would know that. It's also a fact that PS4P is the strongest console out now. Don't understand why you bringing up Scorpio. is not even out yet, won't be out for almost two years. You just sound upset.
I don't understand why is power so important all of a sudden?
I thought it didn't matter?
If you have a 4K tv the PS4p is the console to own.

[KwietStorm_BLM]

If you can't see the difference on a 4K 70" TV, may I advise you to return it for a different unit if you're still in the grace period. It's apparent even before you start making comparisons to different platforms.

[DarXyde]

You think Uncharted 4 skimped on the AI?

Play it on Crushing and get midway through the game. The first, what, 10 chapters are barely primers for the sudden difficulty ramp-up.

As for not letting "fanboy skewed Metacritic reviews fool you", well, I can honestly say that your suggestion is a little counter-intuitive. I'm pretty sure I thoroughly enjoyed Bloodborne, Ratchet, Uncharted 4, Disgaea 5, Final Fantasy Type-0, inFamous Second Son (though it's a bit repetitive) and Odin Sphere Leifthrasir...and I'm pretty sure I'm going to enjoy Ni-Oh, Gravity Rush 2, The Last Guardian, Dragon Quest XI, Horizon: Zero Dawn, and Persona 5.

There are also games on Xbox One I'd like, but two come to mind (Forza Horizon 3 and Scalebound). It's not a bad console at all, but it's certainly not my first choice. People don't need to consult Metacritic. There are apparently people who loved No Man's Sky and The Order: 1886, despite their reception. There are people who loved Quantum Break, despite its reception. I don't think anyone is basing their purchase decisions on Metacritic. More likely than not, they're basing it on the game itself. That said, I'm pretty sure PlayStation games are just better enjoyed. It isn't about fanboyism or media bias. It's about the experience and, if you ask me and plenty of other gamers, PlayStation delivers time after time. Sony has continued success with PlayStation because the software is on point and, surprise, it attracts gamers.

Save the Metacritic fanboy theories, mate.

PS- unless Xbox Live has changed substantially in the last 2-3 years, I wouldn't say it's "MUCH MUCH MUCH" better than PSN. It's better, but "MUCH MUCH MUCH" is the difference between Wii U's network and Xbox Live. I wouldn't even say Live is much better. I'll concede that it is definitely better...but you exaggerate.

[thejigisup]

It wouldn't be devastating to Sony at all, sony hasn't even announced their new next gen console, meanwhile the scorpio is already on the table, sony has such a major lead in terms of install base right now i couldnt fathom what ms can do to reverse that in a single gen, this is all on the advent of PSVR. which MS doesn't even count as a contender in the console vr space. Sony has that market cornered for now. when scorpio releases you'll be comparing a next gen console with a mid gen optional upgrade, hardly a great comparison to make. but whatever makes the ms fans happy.

[Masta Kaos]

Once you start typing a essay to explain something simply means youz a fanboy....Stop explaining and just say you love Xbox instead of beating around the bush like a poem.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Some of the biggest issues with your post is this strange assumption that what you see as these amazing positives will somehow turn things around if all these things are true about the Xbox One, is there a reason why PlayStation 4 is still selling better?

Consider lots of what you just listed are not necessarily exclusive to slim or even Scorpio they're merely things that you like about the Xbox one but those things existed since the company released the platform if those things are not making it sell better than the PlayStation 4 I'm not entirely sure why you believe that having more power will suddenly make it sell better.

[candystop]

"It's also a fact that PS4P is the strongest console out now"

I wasn't aware that the PS4P already released.

[EpicSandwich]

Xbox One s upscales to 4k. The original ps4 doesn't.

Each
Slim doesn't either

[ecchiless]

/facepalm.... the original xbone neither so?

[Strange_Evil]

An upscaled Xbox 720P/900P game on a 4KTV looks worse than a native 1080P PS4 game upscaled by my Samsung 4KTV. Infact 1080P scales better to 4K since 3840x2160 pixels / 1920x1080 pixels = exact 4x scaling whereas a variable resolution which most XB1 games use doesn't have perfect scaling (not to mention less pixels being rendered).

The upscaler isn't doing anything fancy. It is replicating pixels and it doesn't make much difference if that upscaler is in your console or in the TV. Any decent 4KTV will have an inbuilt upscaler for 1080P content.

[leoms]

But the OG Xbox One does?

[Sevir]

Ok what's your point! You'we truly trying to say that regular up scaling of 720p 792p and 900p to 4k is some how better than a machine that upscales natively rendered1800p 1890p 1980p and 2070p to 4k using next generation image rendering techniques?

Say it with me... "DELUSIONAL!"

[DarXyde]

But the original PS4 will have HDR capability. The original Xbox One does not.

[Ju]

I can only imagine, why the S has an upscaler is, otherwise those pixel would actually get scaled twice, once to 1080 and then again by a 4k display to 4k...that means, a non-linear image is scaled a second time, while a built in scaler scales the raw material to 4k giving it a better chance to interpolate. But scaling 1080p to 2160p is trivial. It scales linearly 4x. No distortion nor interpolation necessary. Maybe some scaler will use filters to smoothen that 2x2 block, but this is rather counter intuitive for games. Given the high amount of <1080p content on the Xbox a scaler makes more sense there? But what do I know. Just speculating. It's obviously coming out of the MSs marketing department anyhow. They can now sell this as a 4K console...looking at the comments, and it seems to work.

[Skillz1215]

you know everything you ever wrote on N4G fanboy is irrelevant?

[madjedi]

Have you actually seen an image when you upscale it multiple times over, it looks like shit compared to the original usually. There is a reason being at the native resolution of the tv is ideal, title is stupid you only need one reason because you wish to play xbox exclusives.

[uth11]

Your 4K Tv also upscales 1080p to 4K, so a 4k upscaled in the console isn't much of a feature

[WildArmed]

But my 4K TV upscales games to 4K too..... Upscaling really isn't a big deal.
Mentioning the 4k Bluray player on the other is.

I'm not trying to downplay xbox S, but just saying upscaling most TVs already do in this day and age. Having a 4k native bluray player is pretty neat (since there is no upscaling required!)

[Markusb33]

Exactly who are these people buying consoles specifically to watch 4k movies on? Most people here say they don't own a 4k tv but they all want a 4k blu ray drive. The mentality is hilarious. Anything a console does on top of playing games is an added feature. I can't remember the last time I bought a physical movie.

[rlow1]

Common, if you're going to buy a big expensive 4k tv, 4k console, and some games. Your going to just stream inferior 4k movies over the net which can drop the signal? When you spend that kind of money, you should want to take full advantage of everything your product can deliver. Yeah, I can see streaming t.v. shows, movies that are just okay, but for those movies you want to see in their highest fidelity, streaming can't deliver. Especially if your talking about HDR, your not going to see full blown HDR anytime soon from a streaming service, just heavily compressed video............... Those added features your talking about started with Sony and the PS2. Before it came out no console could play DVDs and it was a strong selling point back then, extras don't hurt they only help and give you a bigger bang for you buck.

[Overload]

Movies are probably super important, because they have pretty much no big timed/console exclusive games to play all year. It all makes sense. A game releasing is like a special occasion. Microsoft probably has some sort of data about how much Xbox owners love movies , it's the only way they would be ballsy enough to always have an annual 10 month drought and do what they did when they revealed the X1 along side the Price Is Right and Star Trek.

[PistolsAtDawn]

Really? Cause my PS4 was on for like a week this year to play UC4, then has been collecting dust ever since, while my X1 is on every day playing exclusives AND Multiplats. Don't believe the hype, Multis are better on X1 due to Controller/UI/Network....the occasional Res/FPS advantage on PS4 has NEVER made enough of a difference to give those up.

[Aenea]

Controller/UI/Network are better on X1? Okay, sure buddy....

[Sparta07]

No, no multiplats look better and play better on the PS4 cause of the DS4 the ui and great network.
If you have both you would know that 👍🏻

[Perjoss]

"Better UI"

Are you being serious right now?

[leoms]

I will never understand why some trolls by consoles not to play games but to collect dust. I did not know that collecting dust was that entertaining.

[FreddyFazbear]

Bro please stop, we can see through you like a one way mirror. I dont even need to look at your comments history. We get it, you like and prefer xbox and nothing on playstation entices you. So just be a good boy and shut up!!

[Markusb33]

Sounds like you just prefer the xb1 so sell the ps4 it's clear you prefer gaming on the xb1. Truth is the only exclusive game out this year so far on xb1 is quantum break. Sony had quite a few more. The attach rate for multi plat are higher on the console with the bigger install base as it started off with last gen and the 360 2 year advantage. No need for lies just say you prefer the xb1 there is no shame in it. I prefer Samsung phones all my friends prefer apple, we are all different.

[Skillz1215]

lololololol

[EpicSandwich]

Sony blow their load at the beginning and Microsoft blow their load at the end. Sony have had uncharted this year and also ratchet which is a remake, Microsoft has Recore and forza alone this month with gears soon. I think Sony needs more games in the holidays, Microsoft released qb in march but Sony have nothing but tech demo's for this holiday and two inferior consoles with no uhd player. Lift up your game overload because you're embarrassing yourself. The PlayStation pro reveal really made you sour and youre slowly starting to lose your mind and sanity lol 😂

Nyxus
Sorry man never heard of it, looked it up, looks like it is going to a 10-15$ title so I wouldn't go ahead and even bother mentioning that

[Nyxus]

The Last Guardian is releasing next month.

[GrubsterBeater]

NiOh is supposedly releasing at the end of October too. It's just a release date on Amazon UK, but I think that may be close to what it actually is, and that is a BIG release, at least for me anyway. I guess that's what you would call a "niche" game though, so XBOX fanboys will say it doesn't count, even though it will be an amazing exclusive for PS4...

[LexHazard79]

Don't forget the 30 jrpgs and indies that make up 90% of PS exclusives.

[Sparta07]

To many people upset and hurt that the PS4P is going to kill the competition.
Sony has more exclusives coming this year. True exclusives,that you can only play on PS4.
Don't be mad cause you didn't have anything to play this year. 😂

[DragonDDark]

Holy shit these fanboy arguments are hilarious

[Darkfist_Flames]

lol look at this xbox fanboy

[LexHazard79]

Yeah and you play exclusives to then trade in or sell, because after you beat them, nothing else to do but collect dust. I know because I've played plenty of PS exclusives. Gaming has always been better on Xbox, but it's hard for someone who never owned one to know this fact.

[Sparta07]

What!? Lmao.
Jealously. Get a life bro

[KwietStorm_BLM]

Why are you trying so hard? You're allowed to like what you like. You don't have to spew nonsense just to state your opinion.

[PeaSFor]

trying to convince yourself?

that's cute.

[Sevir]

LMAO!!!! They are Sour af in hear... please just go play on the One S and Brag about updating 900p games to 4k on the 4K TVs you don't have!?

[FreddyFazbear]

Wow i thought your a cool guy and you got my respect for giving me a hell of a comment. But now your true colors emerge just like pistoldawn. "Gaming has been better on xbox" your joking right? It is subjective. This is what annoys me of all things. Please dont make your OPINIONS into Facts!! imo bot its never better on xbox and if you want to be objective metacritic ps exclusives has more higher rated games. Uncharted 4 and bloodborne at 93 and 92 respectively. While the highest on xbox one is ori and the blind forest at 86. Seriously an indie game is the best game on xbone? Wow clap clap. Dont say metacritic is unreliable. It averages the critic score of everyone like ign gamespot etc. So there you go keep up the propaganda and fight. Youll need it.

[Skillz1215]

like what? please explain in detail the gameplay of these exclusives you have played

[ShadowWolf712]

I had a 360. Three of them, in fact, due to the RRoD. Killed each one of them.

I can honestly say gaming, while fun on select exclusive titles, has not been "better" on Xbox.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

My reason for potentially getting a pro over an S triumphs all of that reasons: Games, Exclusives!

PS4 Pro being slightly more than S comes with a benefit: more raw power

I can live without BC. And Xbox Live better than PSN? So is the Bugatti better than my Civic but my car does the job well. I play Overwatch daily, TLOU when my friends are online, and some U4 when I feel like it with a solid connection

[PistolsAtDawn]

But all those "exclusives" are on PS4 too....I HAVE a 4k tv and will probably skip Pro...if you don't...there's literally no reason. Not to mention, this gen PS4 exclusives have been MASSIVELY overblown and X1 exclusives have been too harshly criticized....I mean look at the people on these boards...you KNOW they are some of the people inflating PS4 scores and trashing X1 games they haven't even played. The rest of the gaming world is still stunned at how bad Sony shot themselves in the foot...and with how bad the overall company is doing...could this spell the end for them (I think they will pull through but itll hurt). Yet here on this site, people are acting like it's the other way around...saying "exclusives will save the day"....great so after I finished UC4 in a week....now I have to wait for Horizon...then after that who the hell knows when Days Gone or God of War will come out??? Other than that, most games listed as exclusives aren't even exclusive at all..99% of the vr games are TIMED exclusives, Witness is no longer console exclusive, and the rest of the games are games you only know about because of the kids that go around posting the same stupid lists over and over and over.

[Strange_Evil]

By your logic what is the point of Xbox Scorpio? Why not just build a PC now with much better specs and play the Xbox Exclusive on it? By today's standard, I can build a PC that produces 6TFLOPS of power easily for around 400-500$. Why are you waiting a year to spend the same amount on a machine which will be 'outdated' by PC standards when it lands?

And your whole argument of PS4 exclusives are overblown and XB1 are criticized reminds me of the sour grapes story. They are some of the highest scoring exclusives on metacritic which is based on averages. No one from N4G is going and inflating the scores. If you say 100 critics are biased for the PS4 over Xb1, then maybe it is time to take off the tin foil hat. Oh and I played Quantum Break and it wasn't anything to rave about and no where in the same league as UC4. I am pretty sure if a Xbox Exclusive game comes out and wins GOTY, then you'll be the first one shouting from the tallest tower of how great it is. But just because UC4 or Bloodbourne are on the PS4, it is 'overblown'. Wow, logic!

[Doabarrelroll]

I was hoping you disappear but no my happiness is gone, you retired with your little "leave Xbox alone speeches" and you clear bias against PS and BS "truths". It's funny you think you know what your talking about but your just full of crap like 90% of Xbox gamers on this site

[BattleAxe]

"Why not just build a PC now with much better specs and play the Xbox Exclusive on it?"

Because the cost of building a PC is so much higher. I don't understand why people can't get this situation through their thick skulls!

[GrubsterBeater]

"rest of the gaming world is still stunned at how bad Sony shot themselves in the foot...and with how bad the overall company is doing...could this spell the end for them (I think they will pull through but itll hurt)"

The only ones are these media outlets and XBOX fanboys who are "shocked". What are you even talking about. Watch the sales and reviews when they come out, and then remember this and how much of an idiot you will feel like. Seriously, what is happening? XBOX fanboys are taking this to the extreme. Maybe from always losing and having to justify their barren gaming wasteland on the XBOX One? You people are so delusional.

[Sparta07]

Do you really believe the stuff you write?

[Strange_Evil]

"Because the cost of building a PC is so much higher".

No it isn't. If you think Xbox Scorpio is gonna cost <400$, then stop smoking whatever you are smoking. Also, the console is rumored to come out late next year by that time, GPUs will be much more cheaper than they are now. Yes you'll have to spend in the range of 500-600$ now to get Scorpio equivalent performance, but that is the premium you pay to get a year lead.

You guys seem to resonate like a broken record. Buying a PS4 or PS4P makes sense because it has exclusives that you can play only on it similar to Nintendo. You can't say that about an Xbox! Buying a PS4P for existing users makes less sense unless they want a better image but it makes total sense for people who don't have any console and are jumping on the PS brand. 400$ is a killer price for a console that is really good and is 100% gonna be backed by the devs due to the massive user base it has over the Xbox.

Boasting in a loudspeaker about buying the Scorpio and stating it as the second coming of Jesus Christ is hogwash as you are basically waiting for a PC next year that they couldn't give you this year since the prices of components hasn't come down.

[Ju]

It's not even about the exclusives. While 900p vs 1080p on multiplatform titles might be a negligible argument, it sure won't be when one renders 2k or up to 4k and runs the more stable framerate - and this advantage will persist through out the whole year on games which will also run on the X1S. That would simply apply to all your games. I could imagine people will flood the market with used PS4s...but possibly $200 is what one could get for one. Hah! Actually, that would probably be true for selling the XB1 also. With that, an upgrade will cost you $200. So, why the hell would one - who already has a 4K TV - go for the lesser machine? Rebuying your library or what? But hey, come November, maybe the market gets flooded with 1S also. I would get one for say 150-200...

[Kiwi66]

If people think the pro is for them and want better looking games etc then get one otherwise just stick with what they have now if they're happy with that as you don't have to upgrade as the games will still work fine .... @Aenea why would i know why people upgrade to any conole as i don't go around asking them ....... OMG you DON'T HAVE TO UPGRADE as a gun isn't being held to your bloody head but then it doesn't frigin matter if someone uses common sense people will still disagree

[Aenea]

And why do people upgrade to the Xbox One S? And even better why would anyone need to upgrade to the Scorpio next year? After all, all the games will work on the X1 too! (except VR games)

[Sparta07]

You can play them on the original PS4 but not at 1080p 60fps @ 4K. PS4P is more powerful. Stop being silly.

[TKCMuzzer]

I'm getting VR, I think we will see quite big differences between PS4 and PS4Pro VR games, especially in FPS, which is important for VR, so yeah its a worthwhile purchase for me.

[LexHazard79]

Oh so you do admit to needing a solid connection..but in same sentence question whether or not Xbox live is better than PSN. 😂

[marioJP87]

Both consoles have their advantages and the 6 reasons he named are true facts.

[objdadon]

😂😂😂
😂this has to be a joke! The only thing you would buy a xbox one s over a Playstation pro is if you prefer to watch Blu-ray movies over actually gaming on a console, that is all

[aconnellan]

I'm not getting the S or the Pro, but watching movies and playing games are not mutually exclusive activities. I use my console for everything, it saves me buying a DVD/blu-Ray player.

If it comes to a time in 5 years where a company comes out and says "we've removed all media support from our next console and it literally only plays games", you can bet they'll lose some customers

[Ju]

But that's not the case. It's just times change, and focus shifts to streaming. Those aps are still there, and will actually stream 4K media on the Pro (does the 1S actually stream 4K contents? I honestly don't know). If the UHD would raise the price $50 to $100 I must say, no, don't need that. I would question how many Ps4 customers have actually bought BD movies. Sorry if you are one of those. But, selfish as I am, I'd rather say you pay the $200 for an UHD player and I (and thousand others) pay $100 less for a 4k gaming machine. We are all good.

[81BX]

I would rather get an xboxs over the pro but ill hold out on both since i have a xb1/ps4 and save my $$$ for NX

[RosweeSon]

I'd have to agree as never owned Xbox one and had ps4 since day one. Not in a rush for Pro.

[iTechHeads]

Lmfao.

[superchiller]

"6 Reasons To Buy An 'Xbox One S' Instead Of A 'PS4 Pro'"

1) Ummmm...
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5)
6)

What was the question?

[m2stech]

forbes.com
i lol'd

[Aenea]

1. Ultra-HD Blu-Ray
2. The Xbox One S is cheaper.
3. The Xbox One S is bundled with five games.
4. The Xbox One S will have mod support for games like Skyrim Remastered.
5. Backwards compatibility
6. Xbox Live is still better than PSN
Bonus: Xbox One exclusives are now ‘Play Anywhere’

Hilarious list! Very objective article from Forbes, uh huh!

1. it's a game console
2. the PS4 Slim is priced the same as well, the X1S costs $349 with 1TB, PS4 Pro $399
3. five games, well, Halo 5 and Halo MCC, so 2 discs, all old Halo games
4. sjeesh, really? mod support is a system seller people! 2 games that (will) have it, but still!
5. it plays old games, fair enough
6. that's subjective
Bonus: you mean I don't really need an Xbox One to play their games?

Common theme I see is: games, especially new ones don't really matter!

What a BS article *shakes head*

[TKCMuzzer]

It's amazing, no one really gave a crap about mod support until this week. It's almost like the gaming industry (this includes so called professionals) have to hate on something. No one can just enjoy playing games anymore. It's a great industry but there is no doubt there are some right tossers in it.
I mean look, we have some great games coming up and yet all the articles on here, on crappy Youtube channels are just mud slinging amatuer journalsim, slagging anything off they can. With their immature army of followers, terra flopping here and mines bigger than yours there. If you care more about the console your playing on than the games you are playing and people you play with then your adding to trash that is in the industry. Personally, i'm tired of it.

[aconnellan]

When Bethesda announced mod support for consoles during their Fallout 4 presentation, everybody lost their minds.

When it came out on Xbox, everybody lost their minds.

The reason nobody has talked about it recently is because everyone just assumed it would come out on PS4 sometime soon - and then Bethesda says "sorry guys, you know how we were working on that free feature every other platform has? Yeah, Sony said no, so..."

What surprises me is that everybody seems fine with Sony deciding what their gamers do and don't want, instead of opening up a dialogue such as "if there's demand, we'll look into it". Nope, instead they only let you know after they ruled out BC, or after they said no to mod support, or after they said no to EA Access

[81BX]

Oh stop. You act like no one wanted it. Its being put on the burner again this week because sony stopped the mod support for ps4. Sony fans are now upset about that and rightfully so. I do agree this console war crap is lame, part of the blame is on comments like yours. Im guilty of it too. Ive made comments to the effect of funny when ms does it its bad but when sony does it its good. That dialog only stokes the fire. So from now on i just wont comment. I like both my ps4/xb1. We just gotta let them be and hopefully they drown out

[ShadowWolf712]

"everybody seems fine with Sony deciding what their gamers do and don't want"

Excuse me, based on what? We have literally no information on why mod support was stopped, but I guarantee you it wasn't simply because Sony decided we didn't "want" or "need" it. In fact, given how frequent crashing was after mods came out for the Xbone, it wouldn't surprise me if it was a Quality Control dispute.

And apparently multiple sources have suggested it was.

[aconnellan]

"It's a game console"

Ignoring the rest of your list for a moment - why is it that everyone thinks game consoles can't multitask?

[Aenea]

Why is it that everyone seems to think it's one of the deciding factors in choosing a games console?

It would've been nice if it was there but I don't feel it's as important as many people make it out to be, including this 'journalist'...

[Aenea]

Also, about mod support, why do you assume Sony flat out said no for no apparent reason?

Could it be there are things we don't know?

Listen, Bethesda really like Windows and MS, mod support first was on Windows, then they ported their Windows solution to the Xbox One which also, surprise, uses Windows. They knew it could be done on PS4 too, why wouldn't it, but then ported the method they used to a non-Windows machine. It works with limitations, they asked Sony to lift those limitations. Sony didn't like the way they implemented mods, perhaps because it would make the console vulnerable for attack. This might not be the case on Xbox One 'cos they used the Windows method, so perhaps Sony suggested changes to make it safer, but Bethesda realised that would mean way more work, maybe even a rewrite and decided against that. In this scenario both are sort off to blame, not just Sony, not just Bethesda. Heck if you want to be negative in this scenario you could even blame Bethesda more, especially when I add: then Bethesda told everyone that "Sony doesn't allow us to implement mods the way we want".

I have no clue if this is what happened, but there's enough proof for this as there is for just blaming Sony. Some people even have said that it's because Sony is greedy when I see no possible way for Sony to profit from denying free mods. People are way too quick to lay blame somewhere...

[ShadowWolf712]

"Some people even have said that it's because Sony is greedy when I see no possible way for Sony to profit from denying free mods."

The most commonly-cited reason is they think Sony is going to try to sell DLC and Season Passes for mod content.

...for a third party title.

Because that's totally how it works, after all.

[masterfox]

Hearing that the PS4 pro won't have 4k/UHD playback is kinda a miss for Sony, but choosing that option for and excuse to buy a console to play games I think is not very bright, I mean in the end the PS4 pro will deliver better visuals and will be able to play all your PS4 original games in the new console looking the same or even better, the new console will cost 399 and I think is a good price since you almost getting double the processing power, definitely considering to trade in my old PS4 or try to sell it locally and spend some extra dough for that extra power of the PRO.

From whatever angle you want to see it, IMO I don't see any reasons to buy an xbone S, just looks all the exclusives the Sony has and the multiplataform games that are coming are going to look even better in just a normal PS4 you don't even need a PRO, also next year Sony will have the best gaming line up.

Scorpio it supposed to be released next year with their 6 TF thingy and MS is saying the visuals it will be unparalleled!!, but then again MS just can't keep the reasoning at same level between what they think and say, cause MS later on started saying that Scorpio and xbone all games will be the same only with Scorpio will have a better resolution but will be the same experience!, and I'm like what ? also they say Scorpio will be sold as a premium device!, so I'm like really da hell is MS doing with all these confusing propaganda?.

The only thing I see with this PS4 pro and Scorpio next year, if Scorpio really more powerful I see PS2 vs Xbox all over again then, PS2 whooping xbox sorry a@#$s to the extreme! and Nintendo(being like a gamecube) sitting far in the corner as a uneducated kid.

[XINTSUAI]

Yes! Make all the sense, choose a system which runs games like Battlefield 1 at 1280x720 instead another which runs the same game at 2560 x 1440, only because of Bluray 4k that no one fuckin** cares until two weeks ago... For Sure!

[Aenea]

Not 1440p, much higher actually! From 1800p upwards....

[Ju]

Even at 1440p it would not even be an argument. That's still 4x the resolution of the XB1

[KevWriter]

What a shock that Forbes would recommend a Microsoft product over Sony. LOL. The folks at Forbes are a bunch of bias hacks.

[Scatpants]

Reason #1 You're dumb.

[XXanderXX]

Yes to all 5 reason , so in short its a Yes all around .

[Ristul]

You can buy a Scorpio right now (with free online), it's called a PC. ;)

[XXanderXX]

Thank you for the heads up but am okay with waiting on Scorpio .

[PaleMoonDeath]

If only it had great exclusives, I'd genuinely get one.

[colonel179]

It's stupid to compare the Xbox One S to the PS4 Pro. The Xbox One S is still the same xbox with added 4K Blu ray. That's it!! The 4K gaming it's just bluff from MS because they wanted to steal Sony's thunder when they realized they were making the NEO. First of all, who is going to upscale Xbox games to 4K? NO ONE! Also, since it's the same exact console than the Xbox One, might as well use the TV's upscaling to 4K. It's the same thing. Microsoft added 4K blu ray, and I bet that if they didn't find out that Sony was doing the PS4 Neo, they would have just say that 4K is for movies only, and not games.

Microsoft just wanted to look like they were ahead of Sony, but they are not! The PS4 Neo has more power and the techniques used to upscale games are more advanced and clever. It's not just an upscaling like what a TV does.

Also, will people really base their purchase of a GAMING console off of a BLU RAY player?! I remember when I got my launch PS3 that I loved that it had Blu ray, but I have owned no more than 10 movies in Blu ray format since then. I am convinced that most people nowadays watch movies online, whether it's streaming, or downloaded. Granted, I would prefer that Sony makes the PS4 a much better multimedia machine like the PS3 was.

Microsoft is also bluffing with the Scorpio. What does 6Tera flops really mean? There is no way that Scorpio will be able to do 4K NATIVE games. There is just no way. Yes, it will be more powerful than PS4 Neo, but they won't be able to neglect the Xbox One, so that leaves them in a pretty poor place, because they will have no way to support Scorpio fully, at least for a YEAR! Which will leave Sony plenty of time to still be on top, and then in 2 years more, they will just announce the PS5, and what will MS do? Announce YET another console?

[Aenea]

I don't feel people base their decision on UHD Bluray player or not.

What I do know is that when DVD came out I wanted a good DVD player but there weren't many DVD players yet, I also wanted the then recently announced PS2. When I heard it would have a DVD player usable for movies it made my decision a bit easier and wait with buying a DVD player.

I've rented a ton of DVDs and bought a whole bunch as well, replacing many VHS tapes I had.

With the PS3 I liked the idea of Bluray player in there but I wasn't as happy with it as I was with the DVD player in the PS2, I didn't like the idea of re-buying every DVD again. Right now I've rented zero Blurays (where would I even do that? note: am not in the US) and bought none.

Right now with UHD Bluray I really couldn't care less one way or the other...

Sure, I get that when you're looking into getting an UHD player for your new 4k TV and are thinking of getting a gaming console to use with your new TV but don't care which brand it is, then you might be swayed to save a few 100 dollars/quid/euro by buying the Xbox One S even tho you've just spent a fortune already on a really nice TV. Then again if you don't care about the brand why would you even want to buy a Pro version of a console?

[DarXyde]

Some grievances with the author's reasoning:

1. Ultra-HD Blu-Ray

It's certainly an advantage, but it's clear that both products were created with different intentions. The Xbox One S is a cheap UHD player and that's certainly an advantage, but Pro is more powerful because it's marketed as a gaming device first. The Xbox One S is certainly a gaming device as well, but it's cheaper for a reason. Which brings me to...

2. The Xbox One S is cheaper.

Because it's a simplification of the Xbox One in the same way that PS4 Slim is. Xbox One S has some slight performance gains over the original with UHD. Again, this is marketed to be a multifunctional device. S is very true to that vision. It's cheaper, but less powerful.

3. The Xbox One S is bundled with five games.

Those 5 games are, literally, useless to someone who doesn't like Halo. I would know. I hate FPS titles. If the physical sales of Halo 5 are any indication, interest in Halo isn't what it used to be. It's cool that they're basically giving you five games in 2, but I'd have offered Rare Replay instead because it's much more diverse and has more games. THAT would've been a more appealing offer. Well, free is free, I suppose.

4. The Xbox One S will have mod support for games like Skyrim Remastered AND 5. Backwards compatibility

Fair point, well said. The only rebuttal I have is the general attitude from Xbox gamers towards PlayStation gamers on remasters/replaying old games. Then again, I always believe the internet is a vocal minority. I think plenty of Xbox gamers are interested in backwards compatibility and remasters/remakes.

6. Xbox Live is still better than PSN

I haven't had Xbox Live in years, but I can believe this. PSN was pretty solid for quite a while on my end, this past week being the only exception where the service went down twice. Microsoft is simply ahead of the pack when it comes to connectivity, so I'm not surprised.

Bonus: Xbox One exclusives are now ‘Play Anywhere’

I'm always iffy on the benefits of Play Anywhere. It's cool, but, in my opinion, it makes as much sense as cross-play on PS3 and PS4. Vita, I can understand since you can game while being mobile. In this case, it's either a PC or Xbox. If you have a PC that can play Xbox games, why own an Xbox? Conversely, if you own a PS3 and PS4, why download something for PS3 when you can get it for PS4? And assuming the communities become intermingled between PC and Xbox, there's no reason to really do both.

People have their reasons, I genuinely just don't see the logic in some. If I were making a case for Xbox One S, I would give one reason that's a great reason: there's a good chance you probably already own a PS4. Get a One S, play the games you missed and have a UHD player at an affordable price. It's not at all a tough sell, but these reasons were just inflated.

[jts1891]

This article is hilarious. Physical media sales are on the decline, and basic DVDs still sell better than Blu Ray movies. 4k Blu Ray appeals to a very niche market, and we are talking about game consoles. Sony was rightfully grilled when they tried to use the PS3 to push Blu Ray and jacked up the price of what was ultimately a game console. I'm glad they didn't make the same mistake again. And the S is cheaper? Of course it's cheaper. It's the same old Xbox One hardware that's been on the market for three years now. And finally backwards compatibility? No thanks. I tried Microsoft's 'backwards compatibility' with my Xbox One, and the two games I re-purchased, Mass Effect and Reach, were both nearly unplayable due to the horrible performance issues. While I'm sure that some games run better than others, it's a mixed bag regardless.

[Angerfist]

People that buy a PS4 Pro are most likely interested in 4K so to keep UHD BDs out is just not a smart move and in countries that still have limited bandwith a 4K stream will ruin a lot of things.

I stick with Ps4 and X1 in the normal editions. If one of them crashes I probably get the newer model then

[Sevir]

I can still watch 4k movies without a 4K Dics... my PS4 Pro will be playing 4k games... that's all I care about

[corroios]

This isnt fair. Not even with the basic model much less the pro. The scorpio is the rival

[Aenea]

Show me the Scorpio and games running on it, list of features, etc., etc. and I write a fair comparison article....

[Hardiman]

Sorry but the software just doesn't warrant the pulling of the trigger. Microsoft needs to create some great first party titles if they want to move more Xbox's.

[Elda]

Absolutely.

[x_xavier_x]

It's kind of mind boggling that Sony omitted a 4K Blu-Ray player in the PS4 Pro. Why are they ignoring the needs of a specific sector of the populace!

#Blu-rayDrivesMatter

[PizzaSteve]

UHD Blu Ray don't care
Halo don't care
Mods don't care
BC don't care still have my PS3
XB Live not that much better so don't care

Conclusion not enough reasons for me to want a XB1

[Elda]

Agreed.

[XADER]

Agree on the UHD Blu-ray
Definitely interested in the Master Chef Collection
Want mods
Would like BC
Prefer XBL now that both are going to be the same price

I'm still torn, since I haven't moved to current-gen yet, and am pretty heavily invested in XB for last-gen.

[leoms]

ROFLMAO!!! The PS4PRO downplay is getting ridiculous!

[Kiwi66]

Its just like when anything new comes out its an all out fight @Aenea what ?

[Aenea]

Oh, oh, oh! I know which side you're on! :)

[dekke]

this is just my opinion... but who uses physical copies of movies nowadays? i dont even remember using CD's to listen music for years and i think i used last time DVD on ps2 not sure tho =D

[Elda]

All for a 4k movie disc player? There are no games...smh.

[OCEANGROWNKUSH]

HAHA why do people keep comparing the XB1S to the PS4PRO? The XB1S is inferior as a GAMING CONSOLE to the original ps4 model. The pro is more than twice as powerful, and by the time the fabled scorpio sees the light of day sony will be gearing up to announce the PS5 rendering it totally and completely pointless.

[Angeljuice]

"6 Reasons To Buy An 'Xbox One S' Instead Of A 'PS4 Pro'"

Number 1; because you are 'special'.

Number 2; you hate amazing graphics

Number 3; you want to become depressed for an acting role you are playing, and buying expensive, irrelevant tech is the fastest way.

4; You Hate Yourself!

5; A Parent/girlfriend/boyfriend gets you the wrong console for your birthday,

6; Your local store has completely sold out of the PS4 Pro and the PS4 for months, but they're selling off the old XBox stock cheap.

[FreddyFazbear]

Lol thats really funny!! XD

[dekke]

:D

[zodiac909]

OR just stick with what you have since it isn't required that you upgrade systems to play future games, and use the extra $399 to buy games instead???? I know, it sounds like a CRAZY idea.

[tontontam0]

6 reasons
1.)It plays Movies
2.)You'll have a "GAMING BOX" which you will use only for "MOVIES" amazing isn't it?
3.)You can also use it for 4k "MOVIES"
4.)It's a cheaper alternative to a 4k bluray player which plays "MOVIES"
5.)It can stream 4k "MOVIES"
6.)You can just sit all day without touching the controller to play "MOVIES". very innovative controller there no need to touch it to use the XBOX ONE.

[DialgaMarine]

Reason's to not buy a Xbone S:

No exclusive games
No exclusive games
No exclusive games

The greatest thing about PS4 Pro is the fact that you don't have to own one. It's simply there as an alternative option that offers a little more bang for buck. The core PS4 experience of having some of the greatest exclusives around is prevalent in ALL PS4 models. So, instead of whining about a movie format that hardly even exist, and probably never will (as the idea of physical movies is going the way of the dodo), how about you go with the console that actually gives a reason to own it? It's exclusive software.

[Masta Kaos]

UHD bluray playback?? My PS4 is 3yrs old n never even once have i played a bluray movie. From the start PS4 was focused on gaming only....MS was the one pushing that centre of entertainment bull that burned Xbox One to a crisp.....To hell will UHD Bluray playback i don't need it.

[VoodooProject]

You're PS4 may of never played a Blu-ray movies, but I'm sure down the line some the 40 million users used it. Because they had the option too. I'm sure for the new PS4 Pro users wish that was an option as well with a 4k UHD Blu-ray player.

[VoodooProject]

So it's still about power I see. So when Scorpio comes out its game over for PS4 Pro as far as power goes right?

[nineby9]

Not sure, by the time it comes out those that like better graphics will have the pro. This is sony's punt and I think they've nailed it. Remember what the ps2 inatall base did to the xbox?

[VoodooProject]

Yes. It made Microsoft a 360 dollar billion dollar company while Sony PS2 kept the company a float with with a net worth today at 11 billion dollars. So ask yourself, what company did better in the long run?

[2600Thunder]

Thank you for the click bait warning! Until we have MEASURED comparisons, like those from DF, then any shopping advice is that of a pseudo-intellectual posturing technical terminology to sound like an expert. But gotta get in that buzzing drama while it's hot right???

[SCW1982]

I love how he is literally saying its a good idea to buy a significantly weaker console for gaming. Also to all those haters literally every site that has actually sat down and tried pro has been mighty impressed, that's saying a lot.

[Destiny1080]

why no love for Kinect

[celkon022]

VR console is the only thing adding great value to One s than any other reason. See more about the important reasons explained rcrddeals.com/microsoft-xbox-o ne-s-review

[jznrpg]

No reasons for me

[Master of Unlocking]

So that's Forbes? Yet another american publication talking its readers out of buying the "other" product to try and sway them into buying the product put out (well, "Made in China" suffice to say) by the "national hero" Microsoft, regardless of what their needs are. For all they know the vast majority of their readers may not have a 4K TV (highly probable) and could be more interested in gaming/games/extra power (also probable), but somehow they choose to not say much about the PS games or the 4.2 TFLOPS found inside the PS4 Pro like that never existed to bring up first and foremost the UHD BR in the xbox one s, a system that's as lacking in power and games as the first iteration, while assuming all consumers out there automatically like the Halo or Gears of War series. Whatever..
The rest of the points are made up garbage.
And some people call that "journalism" I suppose. More worrying still is the fact that if those people are so biased on a simple subject like a videogames console, I can only imagine how it must be when there are more serious debates like politics, economy and so on.
At least I now fully understand why the only region in the world that buys xbox consoles is the US (and "me too" UK obv.), esp. as I recall the numerous cases of unashamed blatant favoritism expressed by sales clerks at some famous US retailers brought up on this very website during the previous gen.

[THC CELL]

Guys there a huge decline in Blu-ray films these days rapidly people are streaming films.

[MagicBeanz]

Is this the Forbes joke of the day?

[Mr_Luke]

I see 0 reasons. The pro offers me more as a gaming console. I want it to play games with better graphics where possible. It's an upgrade to my console, the other isn't (Not so much at least). And i'm talking about me, i've never bought a gaming console to watch movies. I want it for the games, so don't tell me the uhd video story.... I don't care.
Other people care, in fact i'm not talking about other people :P

[BenRC01]

buy a console for games.
buy a console which has the best games.
buy a console which has the best looking games.
buy a console which has the best version of multiplats.
buy a console based on the games being released in the future.
buy a console which has the larger install base to guarantee longevity.

there's 6 reasons. add your own answer.

[Kaze88]

cheapest UHD/4K player according to this is 300 bucks. I can find those at half price O_O oh forbes.

[Gwiz]

PS4 Pro has no direct competition for a 4K market ATM (sure the PC segment delivers more at x2 the price).
A year gap is a lot,especially when you're already ahead and Sony no longer depending on their format to be
optically included saves them money for a GAMING TIER UPGRADE.This is for the gamers.
YET,wheres my movie player? *Bangs head against wall*

[Saranya]

it sooooooo good article. :P

[RosweeSon]

My reason and its a good one owned ps4 since day one not bothered about 4K currently as don't own the telly never owned an Xbox one as didn't want to, will now grab an Xbox one s Gears edition, wanna play rare replay ;), NX next year and maybe a ps4 pro once it's been out for a while the games are appearing the differences are noticeable or my ps4 dies or something. I'm not getting pro on launch I'll wait it out for a snazzy limited edition version ;)

[Retroman]

one day i'll be able to buy PSPRO

[DrShoe]

No!

[amnalehu]

id rather have the more powerful machine.

[jaekapow]

Great Jesus, can we PLEASE stop calling each other "fanboys"? You guys are actually using it in the wrong context. It's like saying the word "moist" over and over...it gets annoying.

[daynnight365]

It bothers me that these 2 consoles are being compared.
They are on 2 different wavelengths

[Skankinruby]

Biggest problem is I still could care less about pretty much every Xbox exclusive and I'm almost completely convinced that 4k blu ray will not flourish. No thanks if I ever get a 4k tv I'll definitely go with the pro.

[ChristopherJack]

PC remains the overall best option for most games. For many, consoles are generally only purchased for exclusives & local MP, Microsoft is putting all their good ones on PC, they just put Halo 5 on PC the other day!(granted it's only forge & custom but still, very much Halo).

If I want to play God of War, Days Gone, Horizon, Spider-Man, Death Stranding, then PS4 is my only choice, & PS4-Pro offers better quality if you're willing to pay for it.

If I want Halo, Gears of War, Forza, etc, I can play it on my PC without paying any silly subscriptions.

If MS is going to continue with their current PC approach(which I appreciate as a PC gamer), then I've no clue on how that will impact on their Xbox brand, at this point, I view the XB1 as more of a streamlined(dumb & simple) Windows gaming device rather than a unique console experience. I'm thinking, much like their Mobile Phones, they'll try to absorb the Xbox brand into Windows, & essentially make their own Windows boxes, pretty much a low end prebuilt PC with Microsoft branding.

[BlakHavoc]

Once again it comes down to preference. These machines are about what games you like to play. If u wanna play Gears, Halo, Recore, etc buy a 1S. If u wanna play GoW, Spiderman, Days Gone, The last guardian, Horizon, NDs next game, etc get a pro. Personally if I had to choose I'd go with the Pro, better exclusives imo.

[ChickenOfTheCaveMan]

Good thing it isn't bundled with the Rare Collection or he would have said the console is bundled with 30 games!

1. UHD blu-ray : do you have a 4K TV?
2. Cheaper : also less powerful than a regular PS4.
4. Mods : hmkay
5. BC : I guess, if people don't have their previous and their favorites old games are on the list.
6. XLive is better : again, hmkay, opinion isn't fact, both had outages and I'm pretty sure XLive had more in 2015.

Solid article :P

[Yetter]

"the standard Xbox One S that, for $299, is also bundled with Halo 5 and the Halo Master Chief Collection."

This is probably would be the selling point if I didn't already have an XB1 and don't have a HDR 4K TV. Halo 5 is my game of the generation so far, it gets better and better every month and I've sunk 200 hours into it. Still play 2-10 matches every night

[mysteryraz11]

I not watch movies much so I not care about 4K blu ray support, maybe mods is a fair point also Xbox one s will be much weaker at the price of being 100 dollars cheaper, ps4 pro a much better value

[_LarZen_]

And here are 6 reasons to buy an PlayStation4 Pro instead of a Xbox One S.

1: Play games in 4K. Either native or upscaled using checkerboard rendering with little quality loss.
2: Old games can look and play better. Even if you dont have a 4K TV.
3: PlayStation is the only console with VR. PSVR will get a boost in performance and visual fidelity on PS4Pro.
4: Remote play in 1080p and with streaming at 60 fps in 1080p to YouTube and 4K screenshots.
5: Low same price as the original launch PS4 but with substantial performance boost.
6: 4K streaming with Netlix and YouTube and with more to follow.

And If I was to add 2 reasons more...

7: You dont want to wait a year+ to experience 4K gaming and or want better performance in the games you play today.

8: You primarily care about games not watching movies. And especially not on discs...in 2016.

[jun19inf]

I respect your opinion @_LarZen but you can't blind fold yourself to other options and not consider that maybe there are some legitimate reasons to purchase the other console. Just to play devils advocate I will answer your questions:

1. Native 4K? That's the problem. I've read a couple of articles stating otherwise. Please understand that up-scaling to 4K no matter what technique is being used is not native 4K. The only way to know what the true difference is will be to wait until actual in game footage. I don't mind spending the money on a PS4Pro but $399 is still $399 and I expected to get my money's worth. I hate when people say "You are just being cheap" as an excuse.

2. Old games can look and play better. Careful with this statement, it's up to the developer to enable any higher graphic settings on their games via software (patch) or re-release of the game (remastered). You are kidding yourself if you think all developers are going to do it. Time is money.

3. You still need to purchase a completely different console to do VR on the PS4. Assuming that the majority of the people don't buy the PS4Pro what will the performance of the VR option be on the original PS4s and Slims? We need a little more research and proof of the performance.

4. With the way their servers have been performing I'm a little skeptical about this, I'm just dying to see a real world test of this remote play at 1080p at 60fps over the internet on WiFi. I'll agree that this feature is actually awesome if it works as intended. Being able to play my PS4 from anywhere in the world is priceless.

5. $399 for a console with the same CPU as the original PS4 handicapped by the same 8GB of memory and lacking features that a "weaker' console has is not a very compelling reason to purchase the PS4Pro. Think about this, how many games do you think will take advantage of the higher graphics of the PS4Pro by the time Scorpio comes out? Don't give me any "remasters" either I am talking new games coming out.

6. Again, I'll wait for the actual footage and proof from games before jumping on the "1080p at 60fps" bandwagon. Especially when streaming over the network / internet. Think about the bandwidth caps some internet service providers impose on many of their internet service packages.

7. You really need to be careful how you state that the PS4pro can do 4K (native) gaming especially when there are plenty of articles stating otherwise. How many "4K" games will be out by the end of the year? Games take time dude, this is a new system. I mean to be fair, the original PS3 can do 4K but it just depends on how hard the game is going to tax the system. You can do 4K at 3fps if a developer wanted to.

8. Unfortunately you fall for the same backwards thinking that keeps the gaming industry from true innovation. Why for the love of god can't a gaming console do more than one thing? You know "multitask"? Apparently, having more features on a piece of equipment is just absurd nowadays. Remember, Sony did advertise quite a few things that were not related to pure gaming during their conference. Nothing wrong with having a high profile entertainment machine in your living room that can handle games, movies, and other forms of entertainment. I don't know about you but streaming 4K content will never beat the actual physical content on a disc. The difference is just out of this world (sound, video, extras, etc.).

Again, I don't mind getting the PS4Pro as I already have an Xbox One S and have the money to burn but remember not everyone is going to be as open minded as I am or have money to burn. My gamertag is my name just in case.

[_LarZen_]

When it comes to my points they are either from the developers themselves or from the only source of reliable information second from Sony regarding technical information. Namely DigitalFoundry. If the points are valid or of importance is up to each person ofc :)

1: DigitalFoundry talked to NaughtyDog and there will be at launch possible to play The Last of Us in 4K@30fps. I'm perfectly in the know that upscaling is not native 4K. But I also know that there are different ways of achieving close to a native image using upscaling. And the PS4Pro is using the new "next-gen" checkerboard technic. I'm not even going to try to explain it as its over my technical know how. But from what DigitalFoundry is reporting it's good. So good that it's close to a native 4K image. I will link the video at the end so you and others can get some good information about the PS4Pro.

2: Yes. And that's why I wrote "old games can look better" Not old games will look better. As you mention a patch is needed to give older games a boost. Thankfully all new games that are PS4Pro labeled will have a boost in both 4K and 1080p.

3: Everything reported from the industry is that VR on the original PS4 is a great experience. The PS4Pro will just add more options for the developers in terms of visual fidelity. All PSVR games are required to run at stable 60 fps by Sony. This is required because of the interpolation technic used to achieve 120 fps for the PSVR.

4: Server stability is something Sony clearly need to work on. No one can disagree on that one :)

5: Here are some games confirmed to have PS4Pro support.
For Honor
NBA2K17
Ghost Recon Wildlands
Mafia 3
StarWars Battlefront
Resident Evil 7
Call of Duty Infinite Warefare
Kingdom Hearths
Fifa 17
Skyrim
Horizon Zero Dawn
World of Final Fantasy
Gravity Rush 2
Battlefield 2
Titanfall 2
Rise of the Tomb Raider
Watchdogs 2

To name a few..

7: Can only base what DigitalFoundry is writing as others are irrelevant except Sony. But it's clear that this is so close to 4K that even if it's not native we can from what is been seen comfertably call it a 4K gaming console.

8: I think we all can agree that adding a 4K blu-ray drive would be the best. It could hardly cost much to do so. But I think it's a powerful message when Sony that is one of the founders of Blu-ray says that based on their data from millions of PS3 and PS4 owners that streaming is the primary movie/series use and that they see it as the future. Again...this is one of the founders of the format saying this. If the data was there a 4K drive would most likely be in the PS4Pro. Just as a optical connection would be in the PS4 Slim.

You cant dispute data they have at hand with personal opinions..even how good you think they are :)

And I must say it's so great to read and write back to someone who is nice and not angry as so many are regarding these things.. Thank you :)

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[jun19inf]

@_LarZen
Not a problem sir, it's always a pleasure to speak with a like minded individual. We are all gamers searching for the best experience.

[DivineAssault]

The xb1 s has HDR at least but thats coming to all PS4's via update and the pro is a much better gaming machine.. Sure its lacking the UHD bluray player but how many people actually see those movies around? Sony i guess is going to move away from discs in the future kinda like what nintendo might be doing. Scorpio is going to be a very powerful machine but theres no way in hell its going to be $400 and when it launches next year, the pro will have a price drop.. Plus didnt they say the games are going to be on all four machines? Unless devs take full advantage of it, all that power wont mean jack.. Only exclusives will let that power shine.. Kinda like when the OG xbox was around vs PS2... Games did look better but it didnt have anywhere near the amount of software choices.. I had both.. Ill have both again if scorpio isnt overpriced.. The damn xb1 s 2TB is $400 for crying out loud.. Scorpio has to be like $600 at the very least.

[Drakul]

Sony sucked PS Pro with no UHD player! Won't buy that crap.

[melonfarm3r]

Well my SNES boasts a palette of 32,768 colours so fuck all y'all.

[DafunkyRebel]

One S is not competition for Pro you writer moron. That would be the PS4 Slim. The pro is it's own thing in its own category/ The One S does NOT have 4K gaming and that automatically disqualify it from being compared to the Pro. Only a moron click bait trash web page would have approve this nonsense misinformed comparision

[DafunkyRebel]

Number One reason to get a Pro. God of War in 4K

[SegaGamer]

Well, we know why this article was written, to set the fanboys off again.

[zb1ftw777]

I wont be buying a ps4pro but if i were to buy a console now, the ps4pro would be it.

There is no comparison between the xb1s and ps4p.

None.

My plan is to wait for Scorpio and buy that, but yea, no, the ps4p wins over the xb1s for gaming.

[pbrk]

And a 100 reasons not to

[Vasto]

1 reason to buy an Xbox S over PS4 Pro

1. Project Scorpio

[shadowT]

Yes, wait 1 year. Hopefully Sony will not annouce a PS5 directly before Scorpio Launch.

[Vasto]

Yes, I will play my Xbox One S and gladly wait for the most powerful console ever made.

PS5? So know Sony needs a 3RD system. lol

Hope you enjoyed your 15 minutes. :-)

[dekke]

@Vasto
yeah u wait for scorpio and all those games are playable on pc even better quality enjoy ur 700€ machine which play 4k uhd movies wee :D

[DJ]

The more I think about it, it seems like Sony simply saw an opportunity to make a 4K HDR TV compatible PS4 a year ago, and decided to give it a shot. Not make it too expensive, but just powerful enough to keep PS4 players from migrating back to PCs.

[cd1]

Of course there are going to be reasons to get an XBox1s over a PS4 Pro, the exact opposite is also true. It just depends on the gamer in question, personally i'm going with PS4 Pro but that doesn't mean i'm blind to the advantages other platforms hold to other people - that's fanboy territory.

No click from me as Forbes gaming articles are generally unprofessionally biased and i often find myself questioning the authors gaming experience.

[Gravesinger_]

I'm just here to see the Peasants fight and argue...

[Smokingunz]

I'd get the pro just for the updated graphics,I don't mind if it doesn't have an ultra blueray player. I stream movies I don't by discs.

[Germany7]

Forbes also said recently that this is gonna be the last PlayStation ever made. Only Pc and smartphones will be available for now on.

[ITPython]

Sorry, but only a stubborn Xbox fanboy would choose the xbs over the pro. Same price, yet with the pro you are getting a console that is nearly 3 times as powerful. Not to mention all the true exclusives that can only be played on a ps4. If you have a PC capable of gaming, then the xb1 in all its forms is redundant, and its even more redundant if you own a ps4 as well.

[bleedsoe9mm]

there are 100 reasons to buy the S over the pro ,price $100 they both upscale 4k and the S has a 4k bluray if your internet isn't up to streaming 4k and if a far better quality even if it is .

[Skillz1215]

10 Reasons to buy a OG PS4 over the Xbox One S
1. Cleaner UI
2. Controller
3. System design
4. Power
5. Exclusives
6. Remote Play
7. Fighting Games
8. Quantity and Quality
9. 3rd party games run and look better
10. RPG'S
All that and then ad the PS4 PRO on top of those things listed with that extra power and 4k streaming ability as well as HDR then where is the competition...

[godfire21]

lol, really. this article is so bias its not funny.

[BlackWolf12]

I can sum it all up as one reason:

1) if you are an Xbox fangirl.