PS4 Vs Xbox One: Sony Just F**ked Itself With Bad Mods Decision

Sony just made a very big mistake in rejecting Bethesda's mod support.

[NewMonday]

if the mods brick our consoles will we sue Bethesda or Sony?

Bethesda always had issues with their engines, more so on non DX API, the mods are made on Windows using DX API and have different memory budgets to OpenGL.

also PS4 API is lower level than DX so has a higher security risk, they can't just give access to unknown MODs.

and more reasons here...
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

LBP and the upcoming Dreams are games based on modes, but they are done in-game and stored using the console and Sony servers, if Bethesda really want modes on PS4 they should uses the same set-up.

[2pacalypsenow]

Careful there you're stating too many facts for people here.

[UltimateMaster]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Here's the full story.

It's sad thing for PS4 owners to not have mods. There's always a reason.
Bethesda mis-managed mods on consoles that just anyone would post even someone else's work.
Son until Bethesda straighten things out, and Sony loosen their stands on their sound and music...

[DrDunc]

-No mod support

-No fall games lineup

-No 4K UHD player

-No backwards compatibility

-PS4 Pro is 50% weaker than Scorpio and doesn't do native 4K

-No EA Access

-$10 PS+ price hike for a service that is down for maintenance or hacked every day

-No ability to change your gamertag

#4theplayers

[jon3sy9]

@Gr8b8m8 - Scorpio doesn't exist. PS4 Pro is 100% stronger than Scorpio. Scorpio is over a year away and will be in direct competition with PS5

So ps5 will be released in 2017? or maybe 2018? whos gonna buy ps4 pro if thats the case?

[digim0]

Thats exactly the point though. PS4 mods seem to be more complex than getting them on Xbox and Sony basically just said "thanks but no thanks" to the company that's been committed to figuring it out. And as to the "brick" thing Bethesda hosts all the mods on their own stuff and does the QA before hosting. So I guess you'd sue them? But no one's had an Xbox bricked yet so I don't think that's a realistic danger given the way its working right now.

[NewMonday]

"Bethesda hosts all the mods on their own stuff and does the QA "

Bethesda have QA, could have fooled me

[GameBoyColor]

Lol QA. Still can't finish this quest for a weapon on cuz of a bug.

[FarEastOrient]

Bethesda can't even get fog to work correctly on the PS4. Do you think they'll QA all those MODs?

[DragonPaw]

All systems were hacked last gen, but the X360 was hacked so thoroughly you could go on live. I bet that Verbatim dl dvd's were sold more for burning games than for anything else. There was even a modified firmware for a dvd burner to overburn games. The PS3 was not hacked until nearly the end of the generation, and it was not as thorough as the 360 hack. I applaud Sony for that. I definitely think they are making the right decision to not let users have too much freedom with how a game runs.

[freshslicepizza]

if we start seeing xbox one systems brick because of mod support you will have a point, until then it's nothing but damage control. all your link proivided showed was how sony limits the size and bethesda trying to work with sony to increase it.

but then again this is nothing new trying to fabricate reality from truth, you just said yesterday that microsoft said project scorpio will be a 4k 60fps system with no compromises and when asked for proof you run away

[ShadowWolf712]

Xbox systems were crashing frequently and regularly because of mods due to lack of QC.

[McToasty207]

Neither Little Big Planet or Dreams are mods anymore so than Forge in Halo or the Map Maker in Farcry are mods, their LIMITED creation kits. The key point being nothing Sony objects to is allowed in either of those titles and I think that might be the basis for why they don't wan't mods they don't want to be accountable for either players bricking their system, coming across content that offends or anything that might damage Sony's reputation.

[DillyDilly]

Even if Sony is worried with hacking coming out of this a good company will work with the developer & come up with a solution. If Sony wont even work with the developer they should screw the fan base the next Elder Scrolls, Fallout might as well be Microsoft exclusive

[DeeBeers]

lol. Oh NewMonday. I feel sorry for you man. Working overtime is a pain.

[XStation4pio_Pro]

"also PS4 API is lower level than DX so has a higher security risk, they can't just give access to unknown MODs"

the API's on xb1 are down to the metal - one of the points of contention about whether dx12 would actually help xb1 or not since its API's were already so low level. XB1 runs customized hardware and software remember so its not "exactly" a pc as a console. DX12 was a bigger deal on PC for this very reason as it gives more control to lower level functions similar to what devs have with consoles including both ps4 and xb1

[NewMonday]

Wolfgang Engel, who worked as lead graphics programmer at Rockstar’s core technology group:

"Sony’s own custom API is more low-level and definitely something that graphics programmers love. It gives you a lot of control. DirectX 12 will be a bit more abstract because it has to work with many different GPUs, while the PS4 API can go down to the metal"

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if you want to respond provide proof DX on XBone is lower level than PS4 API

[Mr_Writer85]

If all that is true then Sony need to say so.

@2pacalypsenow.

It's not an actually confirmed as fact, it's believable sure, but that doesn't make it fact.

[Gazondaily]

Lol what utter nonsense. On the one hand ripping into the Xbox parity clause and then defending Sony for this shit for the same reasons employed in defence of the parity policy 😂

Amazing

[Rimeskeem]

Before making rash opinions about this maybe we should wait for official statement on Sonys behalf?

Maybe they have a very legit reason to block mods.

[Eiyuuou]

Nah man, people want to see blood.

Screw rational thinking.

[KiwiViper85]

Sony probably just decided what's good value for their customers again. No big deal, just Sony being Sony.

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[DeeBeers]

truth

[XtraTrstrL]

Same reason as always. It might hurt potential season pass/dlc sales markets if awesome mods are coming out back to back and becomes a trend on more and more games.

[ShadowWolf712]

They wouldn't be hurt by that though, Bethesda would.

[XtraTrstrL]

@ShadowWolf712, they get $ out of everything sold on their platform.

[EpicSandwich]

Like the legit reason to block ea access? Yep so legit

[uth11]

Nice idea, but this is N4G- Get outraged and crucify first, learn the facts later.

[DragonPaw]

It is setting a precedent. If they start allowing mods then they will seem biased if they do not for other titles. As I said before regarding a different article, the Wii was hacked by a modified save from Twilight Princess. I know it is not the same, but if we start being able to mod a lot of the games we play, I really think there is a legitimate reason to not open up possible security holes. The Xbox 360 (PS3 as well but the 360 could go online undetected) was thoroughly hacked last gen, and the hackers have not gone away. They are just waiting for their opportunity. All they need is one little hole, and with digital content the way it is now, spoofing DRM could really mess things up.

[iTechHeads]

Console gamers don't care about mods. If you are some of the few that do, play on Xbox One.

[Rimeskeem]

Or PC and get Xbox games anyways.

[KiwiViper85]

Deflect and downplay, It's the new trend

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[Kingthrash360]

Naw that's an old trend...where you been?s fanboys been doing this all generation.

[EpicSandwich]

Support Microsoft by purchasing windows and xbox games lol
Win win

[shiva1]

@epicsandwich

Thats what people have been doing for sony. Playstation is the only thing which is being supported and its keeping sony alive.

[ShowanW]

@iTechHeads

thats right us gamers dont want developers supporting their games and giving them added value. No we dont want that.

We dont want to be able to take a game and play it, and when done run a mod for it feel completely fresh and new.

Naw us gamers dont want that

[gangsta_red]

Naw...console gamers don't want that. They want want paid DLC and microtransactions.

Pffffft...user created content...that's crazy talk!

[Malacath]

Lol. That's something a true ps4 fanboy would say. Next you'll be saying console gamers don't want to play 4k blu rays.

Fact is console players do want mods. For the simple reason they are free. DLC you need to pay for but user created content is free.

[Maxor]

Yeah they care about DLCs and remastered. Thats why Playstation is the place to play.

[Juangie3]

Since when is it the policy of Sony to allow game Mods? This is nothing new... is it? So what is the big deal? If you want to mod get a PC, and Mod the ish out of your game.

[PSN_ZeroOnyx]

Unreal Tournament on PS3 had mods

[vickers500]

Ah the days of playing as master chief on ps3.

[Juangie3]

like 2 games ever? I don't recall this being mainstream is the point i am making. Prior to this the only mods i recall are when Gameshark was still a thing, and those were basic cheats not really mods per say.

[ShowanW]

u make no sense...

who wants a game that the developer is tryin to give more value to, so that it always feels fresh..

who want's that... ???

I would love to play a game, and then download a mod and make it feel like a completely new game..

but nobody wants that right.../s

[Malacath]

When Sony were in the situation Microsoft are currently in. Being second place, Sony were the ones allowing mods. I remember downloading user created maps for Unreal tournament on ps3. Sony allowed them but Microsoft didn't.

Now the tables have turned and Microsoft are in second place they are the ones allowing mods and Sony are the ones being arrogant.

Also a games console is a far cheaper option than getting a decent gaming PC. Some graphics cards alone cost more than both the xbox one and ps4 put together.

[spoilerjerk]

I have to strongly disagree... while mods might be important to the PC master race I just don't see them having much impact on consoles and in fact I think have a negative impact on the Xbox brand, as they continue to confuse PC gaming with console gaming. I spent a bit of times with Fallout 4 mods on Xbox and they were garbage.

[Redx165]

How are mods anything but a positive? You realize with mods you get continue user generated content way after the life of the game?

Skyrim lasted years takes to the modding community. I know PS4 and Xbox One wouldn't get that level of modding support but the ability to add new areas and weapons is what all gamers should want. Not to mention all these amazing user generated content is for FREE...

[KiwiViper85]

Imaginary mods on imaginary Xbox one do need some work. Will give you that one

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[gangsta_red]

Mods not only have a negative impact on gaming but causes confusion between PC gaming and consoles...hmmmm.

Just when you thought you'd heard it all.

[MatrixxGT]

I couldn't read your comment. All the sentences were spinning round and round.

[Malacath]

Some of the mods are better than the official DLC. They are not garbage.

PS4 owners are missing out. That is a fact.

I'm a proper RPG fan and owned Fallout 4 on ps4 first. I now play it exclusively on xbox one not only because mods add extra content but mods are the only way to play the game bug free. The unofficial Fallout 4 patch alone makes mods worth it.

[Maxor]

Mods provide you with tons of user made game changing free content. Some games, like the upcoming XCom 2 is virtually lifeless without mods. To reject mods is to condemn yourself to being a DLC slave. So the next time that you complain about a DLC or the value that they provide. Remember to spread your cheeks and think about how you ask this.

[phoenixwing]

They really let you just write anything you want with these opinion pieces. The title let alone and the whole tone of the article is full of immaturity and a lack of professionalism.

On topic, mods are nice and I would like them but I'm not going to call it game over for Sony over it.

[firelogic]

lol. "fucked itself." This just in folks, mod support, or lack thereof, can make or break a console. Playstation has a long history of allowing mods. We had mods on PS1. Mods on PS2. Mods on PS3. And now we no longer have mods on PS4. Sony is doomed. Oh wait...mods are bullshit in the console space. Console owners don't give a shit about mods. If they cared about mods, they'd be PC gamers. End of story.

[KiwiViper85]

It's just another thing that Sony decided you don't need.

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[gangsta_red]

There seems to be a trend with Sony telling their users what they don't need.

[EpicSandwich]

Sony can be like

"were not going to release games anymore"

Then you will see rimeskeen and digital come in like

"I was going to quit gaming anyway Sony is so smart for doing this because they know it will save us money. I love Sony"

[badz149]

now you guys are just plain trolling. but then I remember MS decided for you guys to need the kinect and a 24 checkins. whatever happenes to those though...

you don't have internet? F*off! go buy the 360!
you want more 1080p games? F*off! upscaled 1080p is state-of-the-art!
you want HDR? F*off! go buy the new S!
you want VR? F*off! go buy the Scorpio next year!

True Classics!

[Maxor]

Sony will soon decide to go 100% digital. I'm sure the fanboys will rise up and agree.

[ShowanW]

Now that I think about it...

This can be potentially worse than just Fallout and Skyrim.

What if other game developer(s) make awesome games with Mod support for consoles, PS versions will be perceived as "The crippled version"

[DillyDilly]

Even if Sony is worried with hacking coming out of this a good company will work with the developer & come up with a solution. If Sony wont even work with the developer they should screw the fan base the next Elder Scrolls, Fallout might as well be Microsoft exclusive

[masterfox]

lol what? yeah I'm really pissed off I can't installed those sexy sex mods for Skyrim!!!

[ZaWarudo]

Sony has been making shitty decisions lately. First was raising the price of PS+, then releasing the Slim 2 months before the Pro, now this.

[XXanderXX]

Interesting

[Trekster_Gamer]

Immature filthy article titles... No need to resd

[medman]

I would agree if mods affected more games on both systems, but they don't. I agree this is shameful for Sony supporters who bought Fallout and were promised mods would be coming...I find it unacceptable, and I don't play the Fallout series. Will it turn some people off to Sony? Probably. But I don't think the number who will be outraged by this is large enough to make a big dent in the numbers going forward. Again, modding on consoles is not the norm. Denying mods on one hardcore game is not going to impact the general masses who play on console who may not even know what mods do.

Now if Scorpio fully allows mods, and modding becomes more routine for more games in that ecosystem, now THAT would be a huge issue for Sony going forward. But it's going to take more than one game, game series, or one publisher making mods matter on consoles to make that a reality.

[kraenk12]

Does anybody really still care about Fallout 4?!

[--bienio--]

Honestly? Bought Fallout 4 day one. I try but it was something what I didn't like so I put on the side and play others games. Last week was my second time with Fallout 4 but this time with mods. Man it's totally different experience for what I got in first time. So answer your question? Yes people still care about Fallout 4 especially on Pc where you got freedom and You can do whatever You want. That's a beauty of playing on Pc.

[Number_9]

What about the upcoming Skyrim? No mods on PS4 there either.

[Ryuujinjakka]

MS fanboys are so sad... Why do they have to sh*t on everything? Console gamers don't give a f**k about mods. Boo boo boo MS has this and sony doesn't have that. Who is arrogant here?

[Shakengandulf]

Thank god i don't care about mods

[Mr_Writer85]

The title is a little OTT, I doubt this will have a huge effect on sales and such. It will (and rightfully so) piss people off, maybe even get a petition, but I doubt people (sane ones at least) are going to start chucking their PS4's in the bin.

However they have really boiled my piss with this move. It's not so much the move its the lack of reason, had Sony come out and given us reasonable explanation as to why not then I would be more dissapointed then pissed.

I think we should start a petition and Twitter campaign and go on at Sony until they either allow mods, or at the very least give us answers.

[WickedLester]

This and denying EA Access to PS4 owners are real head scratchers

[--bienio--]

What's happening guys?? Are you mad for Sony?? Remember This is 4ThePlayers!!👍

[NXSwitch]

Sony was taking 4k even at the start of the launch of PS4 saying in the future they will do it by a update but now look at the mess they are in! PS4Tro (troll) can't even do 4k & they have the saggy balls to call other console system gimmick, lmao!

[NXSwitch]

This is the start of the downfall to Sony & more will come! Brace yourself gamers as MS will takeover soon!

[brewin]

This whole drama between Xbox and PlayStation is all made up like some WWE crap. Its good for the industry I guess. MS hands the #1 spot to Sony because of missteps and Sony hands it back with theirs. Then they flip flop back and forth and we all buy right into it. Meanwhile executives for both companies enjoy one anothers titles while they laugh all the way to the bank. Just like wwe where the good and bad guys are all friends. Its sad how many people buy into the console war mentality.

[TheGamingArt]

Ignoring the obvious security problems mods present, the market of people who care is sooooooo niche, it justifies me laughing at all the unjustified bias articles jumping on this.