No PS4 Trade-In Program for Neo Could Alienate Core Gamers, Says Analyst

Video games has never seen mid-generation hardware upgrades like gamers have heard about and PS4 Neo is expected to take center stage tomorrow.

[ziggurcat]

regardless of how anyone feels about them, i'm pretty sure gamestop/EB games will have some kind of trade-in deal....

[Neonridr]

yeah.. they'll probably give you like $50 towards the Neo purchase :P

[ziggurcat]

haha i know they're bad, but I would expect it'd be somewhere in the $150-200 range like the OG Xbox trade-in thing they had.

[Neonridr]

I hope you are right. I have no need for my OG PS4 so I could definitely use the money to help soften the blow since I am also getting the PSVR next month.

[Rimeskeem]

If they can give, was it 150$? Towards a new gen console from your old gen then they can give that same amount. At least towards an upgrade.

I don't care though, already have someone who wants to buy mine for 200$ when NEO releases.

[peewee11016]

they moved it dwn to 150 from 200 2 weeks ago so people wont feel ripped off with the added 50 lol gamestop are crooks

[mikeslemonade]

Currently it's $125. I'm just gonna buy the Neo outright and trade the vanilla PS4 in. I'm not waiting for the deal because that may take a while, but I will offer my system to my friend for $150.

Currentlyly there's still no Xbox slim trade in deal. Sorry I'm not gonna wait for 3 months to half a year for something I want. YOLO

[susanto1228]

exactly......

[hulk_bash1987]

I buy games from them, but I always try to avoid pre owned and never sell my games. But they do have great deals on occasion.

[LexHazard79]

They only time I go to Gamestop is to buy pre owned..buy 2 get one free deals. Aside from that Im better off buying new games from Amazon and Best Buy.

[hulk_bash1987]

To each their own, I buy from both amazon and Gamestop. I just dont like buying preowned games unless there is no other option. Im not judging anyone that does, its your right to do what you want with your own money.

[fei-hung]

The stupidity of these articles. You don't need a trade in programme. Stores have been doing this job for years so why change it now.

[Aenea]

I wish a shop near where I live (the Netherlands) would do such a thing, I would use such a deal!

Ah well, now I have to do it the hard way, sell it myself...

[cash_longfellow]

It'll be $150 most likely.

[IamTylerDurden1]

Gamestop will obviously have a trade in program and you are an idiot if you think they will only give "$50" for your PS4. Sarcasm or not.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

They don't have to get a NEO to play games. It is an optional upgrade. Are there trade in programs for new gen system? Never! And, it is not like Sony is just dumping the OG PS4 with the slim altogether. If everyone upgrades, it will make devs abandon OG PS4 and focus on NEO.

I'm not againts the idea. I just don't see it happening. But I could be wrong

[morganfell]

This.

If leaked documents are to be believed, Sony has gone to great lengths to insure neither they nor devs - including 3rd party and indies - cannot alienate current PS4 owners.

[freshslicepizza]

well you know how people on the internet try and interpret their own opinions. same thing is happening with project scorpio, some keep saying its'a next gen system that will get new games the xbox one won't even though phil said the complete opposite.

the thing is about the trade in program, the more people trade in ps4's the more the price bottoms out. i expect quite a few will trade in.

[DragonKnight]

Because all corporations are honest and unchanging at all times about everything.

[Angeljuice]

@moldybread

Only MS won't be making Scorpio-only games. They have stated that 3rd parties can if they choose to.

That is the big difference in the two strategies.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@mold-and Dragon- the issue with your logic is who's actually dumb enough to create exclusives for Neo and Scorpio? You're talking about the Lesser install base here so why would they opt to make less money? All while spending even more money? Buddy we're still waiting on those GTX 1080 exclusive games lol

If you understand simple PC gaming will also understand why neither of your logic's actually really make sense when have you ever seen a game released exclusively for the top GPU on the market? There's a real logical reason why doesn't happen it's because any company that would even have the funds to create such a thing would also not be stupid enough to limit their funds to a single GPU type it sounds pretty stupid.

Like really dumb.

So I would say the chances of you seeing a Scorpio or Neo exclusive are probably in the same percentile chance that you'll see a dual 1080 GTX SLI exclusive title lol

[freshslicepizza]

AngelJuice they said no such things. What they did say is it's up to third party how to use the extra power on Scorpio meaning they don't have to do 4k. Not sure why people are agreeing with your comment and again shows how some people want to interpret their own opinions with facts.

[CorndogBurglar]

What do you mean there's never trade in programs toward new consoles? Maybe not on Sony/MS's side, but Gamestop offers very reasonable console/hardware trade in amounts if its toward a new console coming out.

They did it with Xbox One, PS4, and also Xbox 1s.

My buddy traded in his PS3 controllers and games and it totally paid for his PS4.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Gamestop lol

[CorndogBurglar]

Say what you want. If they can give me $150 for a console I'll have no use for and knock off the price of a NEO I'm all over it.

[lazyboyblue]

I think the current trade in value for ps4 at this moment will become very much lower in the next 24hrs. 😕

[Taero]

It's already $125, I doubt it's going to shoot up...

[InTheZoneAC]

there is no alienation because you're not going to be separated by neo only exclusive games and you're not going to be separated from in game multiplayer

I'm ITZ and I disapprove of this article

[JEECE]

Just wait until a game runs at 60fps on Neo and 30fps with dips on vanilla PS4 and the Neo people have a major advantage in the multiplayer. This is why iterations on console are stupid, and don't make sense like they do for phones.

(Btw, not hating on Sony, Scorpio will create this same issue, but potentially even worse)

[InTheZoneAC]

I think laggers in multiplayer present a bigger problem than one playing at 30FPS while the other plays at 60FPS

Besides, at 30 or 60 fps there should be almost no advantage to the 60 FPS player other than his game plays and looks smoother.

[nitus10]

I assume you are talking about online multiplayer FPS games.

I hate to break it to you but you really do have to worry more about your network connection than you do about frames per second.

If you have a single player game that has little if any online component and requires the player to move their avatar at a fairly fast pace (think single player Doom which is 1080p @ 60fps on the PS4) then of course, the higher the frames per second the better.

The problem comes when you try to push for more than 60fps since you have to take into account the refresh rate (in Hertz) of your display device. As a rule of thumb if you want to push 90fps or higher you need a display that is has a 90Hz or preferably greater refresh rate.

Even if you want to compare resolutions such as 4k against 1080p, providing the fps is the same on both display devices and the network is about the same, in a multiplayer match the would be no real advantage since everything then hinges on the skill of the players.

[JEECE]

@InTheZoneAC

So because people with bad internet create one problem, we should ignore Sony creating another totally unnecessary problem?

And yes, people playing at 60 FPS will have and advantage over those playing at 30, especially if the 30 isn't stable.

And yes, I realize this is an issue on PC and people play multiplayer games on PC all the time. But one of the advantages of consoles was that everyone had an equal experience.

[Bahamut]

That falls on the developers of these games. If they want to lock the framerate for online to 30 fps for everyone in order to be fair, they can do that. Nothing states that 60 fps is required for every game mode of every game, come on.

[DragonKnight]

See, this is the kind of stuff that makes this gen pathetic. If I provided a reason to question this idea that there won't be Neo exclusives, I'd be told Neo hasn't even been announced and to wait for that first. And yet people are taking Destructoid at their word even though Neo doesn't officially yet exist and everyone knows there won't be Neo exclusives because... reasons.

Ya'll are the reason the state of the industry in relation to consumer rights and quality is in the terrible position it's in.

[JEECE]

People are really desperate to ignore the obvious issues Neo and Scorpio create, for some reason.

[DragonKnight]

They'll see for themselves. Then they'll say we have no other choice but to support the nonsense.

[Pro_TactX]

I'm pretty indifferent on the matter. I'm just going to give my current PS4 to my niece when I upgrade.

[RedDevils]

I probably keep my old PS4 put it in my bed room, and have Neo in the living room. So no biggie.

[frostypants]

"Video games has never seen mid-generation hardware upgrades like gamers have heard about"

Can we please auto-ban submissions that are written at a 4th-grade level?

[Cuzzo63]

But why look for a trade in tho? Sell it on Ebay or Craigslist if you wanna get rid of it. Or do like me... Jus keep it

[objdadon]

Can the thing even be announced yet before we get these scenario articles?😂

[jznrpg]

Giving my original ps4 to kids and wife , Neo for me.

[lipton101]

"Water is wet," says analyst.

Seriously, how do I become an "analyst"? Seems like a sweet gig getting paid to state the obvious

[Angeljuice]

But all water isn't equally wet (that's why people use water wetter).

[CorndogBurglar]

If there's no trade in deal I'll wait for a price drop. I'm not spending more than $300 on another console. I just spend $400 on my PS4 2 years ago.

[InTheZoneAC]

You could always SELL IT. You could always KEEP IT. No one is forcing you to spend $300+ on another console or forcing to you only trade it in.

People spend $60,000 on a car and in a few years a new one comes out yet they don't, or shouldn't, complain about not getting it all back on their "trade in"....

edit: Majister-Ludi must be on that list

[Majister-Ludi]

Lol that car comparison is one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever heard. If you don't see the difference in the upgrades occurring I don't know you are even here lol.

[MilkMan]

DOnt count on EB/Gamestop giving you a fair deal. Might as well keep your hardware. Question: Why weren't analyst worried about the same thing when it was Microsoft/Xbox?
The thing is, these new machines right in the middle of current gen is ludicrous.
VR won't sell them, the games this gen have been atrocious.
This is a vast wasteland of remakes and indies and free to play games with tons of microtransactions. Oh and now pay for DLC BEFORE the main game is completed.
So why bother with more powerful hardware? So I can see sprites run faster?!

I can't wait for the NX; I want to be impressed and love gaming again.

[TwilightSparkle]

Off topic im hoping for a new sony handheld -_-

[danny818]

rumors have bene pointing out that your hope may soon be a reality.

[showtimefolks]

Just curious does Apple offer a trade in program every time they release a new phone?

I am sure retailers such as GameStop will offer you something for the OG ps4 like they offered with OG Xbox one towards Xbox s

You can always sell it on eBay or Craigslist for more right away

[danny818]

Neo should of been what was launched form the beginning. PS4 and X1 were overpriced. Which explains how cheap they are now after 3 years.

[LexHazard79]

I think PS4 price was good for the performance you get from it.

Xbox One on other hand was severely overpriced due to stupid Kinect 2.0 crap.

[InTheZoneAC]

where do you people come from? if ps4 released with these specs at the time the system would've been a lot more expensive...do you not understand how advances in technology and production costs work?

[danny818]

iwould gladly pay $700 like i did the ps3 fat. Still have it. See there?! i spent $700 + tax ONE TIME. TLOU looked fantastic in 2013. And ps online was free. Times have changed and these console makers make lots of doe when a new console gets released. My point is id rather spend a premium once then half of that and get less when in 3 years a beefed console. PS4 $440 with tax PS4 Pro $440 with tax. Ps4 will get HDR but PS4 Pro has more TFLOPS so it offers more

[yeahokwhatever]

thats a really stupid thing to say. "galaxy 7 to alienate all galaxy 6, 5, 4, 3, 2, 1, S users, analyst says"

[LexHazard79]

Idk if I want to trade in PS4. To much money went into it. Might just give it to my kids and just outright buy the NEO. Cant wait til 3 guys.

Funny I wasnt gonna be able to watch live. But I got stung in the face by a bee at work and got an alergic reaction. So im home for the day after 4 hr hospital visit. So now Im ready to watch Sony conference with one good eye.

Oh did I mention I got stung right on the eyelid.. not good!

[BlakHavoc]

Why are we pinning this on PS? Of course they wont offer a trade in program but you can bet your bottom dollar retailers like Gamestop will.

[justsomeoffdude]

Wow.. gamers are so self entitled!! Do car owners demand for trade-in programs for face-lift versions of their cars? Do laptop owners demand trade-ins? This is just silly

[_-EDMIX-_]

I see.... so apparently Sony is denying Gamers from selling their consoles to family/friends GameStop Amazon Walmart what have you?

This might be the stupidest thing I've ever read in a long time why the hell would Sony not having a trade-in program to stop someone from selling their damn platform?

Somebody has to be pretty damn slow to not sell or trade in their PlayStation 4 if they want to do simply because Sony didn't have a trade-in program so what exactly where these people doing before when they wanted to sell something?

[s45gr32]

So basically nothing new in news until tomorrow. God why do speculation articles are approved is beyond me. Just let us know whether Sony offers trade in program (most likely) or not, do not speculate on rumours or opinions. News should be about facts and facts alone.

[DC777]

After this it won't be an issue

[cyber_daemonx]

PS Pro has only just been announced. Give em a chance ffs.

[iTechHeads]

There is a trade-in program. There always is. Gamestop will handle it.

[ShaunCameron]

Since when were gamers entitled to a trade-in deal?

[peewee11016]

WOW game-stop moved the trade in price from 150 which it was at this morning to 125$ WoW Oh WOW. 2weeks ago it was at 200 This is soo sad. FUCKING CROOKS

[InTheZoneAC]

crooks? they know people are going to trade this in regardless of the price, if you don't like it sell it elsewhere. You act like you're forced to sell there.

and they probably lowered the price until they get a trade in deal for the pro in place, trying to maximize their profits for this.

[susanto1228]

OUCh open your wallets it's fleecing time ladies and gents.

[DOOMZ]

SPECS PLEASE!

[SarcasticDuck]

can i trade my ps3 for it? :v

[S-Word]

Why use a trade-in program anyway? Just sell it on Ebay or something. You'll get more money than you would trading it in at some place.

[kenwonobi]

True it will sell better but why make it mandatory? One of the gaming outlets will do it for them while they sell the rest at full price. Maybe even a few outlets will do it.

[jts1891]

Who cares? As a PS4 owner, I'm not going to upgrade. I'm not throwing another $400 at Sony after only 2 years just so I can get higher framerates and upscaled 4K for a 4K TV I don't even have or plan on buying in the near future. Same with my Xbox One and the Scorpio, especially when I just bought my Xbox One earlier this year before all the rumors started.