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Why Does Nintendo Hold Its Fans In Such Contempt?

Discussing Nintendo's increasingly awkward relationship with fans and why Nintendo may want to change course before the NX lands.

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Overload2791d ago

Because Nintendo likes to be difficult, which is why 3rd parties don't really deal with them either.

ScreenGurus2791d ago

Very likely. It staggers me that at a time when the company is in need of goodwill, it keeps scratching away at fans patience.

EddieNX 2791d ago

I know Nintendo deserves some of the things that gets said about them, but they do still make arguably the best games around. There's some ridiculously good games on WiiU and 3DS and whilst its easy to sit there hating, people are missing out on some of the absolout best games around.

Haters gunna hate, I've been a fan since SNES and they still make games now that are as good as they were back then. Super smash bros and Mario kart 8 are both perfect for example.

XisThatKid2790d ago

You guys DO know that you owe Ninty NOTHING. just because they gave us great past memories doesn't mean we are obligated to just accept what they do or lack there of. I'm glad we're getting to that time were Ninty has to earn their fans back with EFFORT.

-Foxtrot2790d ago

They really don't like meeting third parties half way on things...it feels they expect them to do all the work.

I mean Ubisoft tried and tried, yet going by interviews it's like Nintendo didn't have interest and after the delayed WatchDogs they gave up

ARESWARLORD2791d ago (Edited 2791d ago )

It's too bad that Nintendo has become a very gimmicky manufacture I wish it were Sega that survived as they would be hardcore like PlayStation and I'd be gaming on a Sega system

superchiller2791d ago

I agree. All of their recent hardware have been crippled by gimmicks coupled with underpowered, feature-lacking hardware. They really don't seem to understand how to design good gaming hardware anymore.

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gamerb62791d ago

Hardcore like PlayStation lol yh if your a casual.

Nintendo can be difficult and don't listen to fans sometimes no doubt, but if they come through with the NX and blow me away then all is forgiven.

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rjason122791d ago

Oh yeah, people bitch about Nintendo not using their IPs, Look at Sega, they literally only use Sonic and they have tons of IPs. I just don't get why people want each console to carbon-copy each other.

Segata2791d ago

I wish it was just SEGA and Nintendo only. Market was better then.

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opinionated2791d ago

They are a publicly owned business. Most companies protect their IPs. Nintendo might be more on the stricter side but it's not unusual or a personal grudge against fans. They won't change either, just accept that there won't be any fan made games using their properties.

DillyDilly2791d ago

Youtubers are lucky that Sony / Microsoft allows them to make money off of their products without permission & keep anyhting they make

opinionated2791d ago

I don't really get the whole lets play position of Nintendo but I do understand the fan games. If some random group of guys were making God of war spinoffs then Sony would come down just as hard as Nintendo does.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory2791d ago (Edited 2791d ago )

You can make money off Nintendo games.
They only titles are eligible are the Nintendo in-house games, anything Miyamoto crafted or Pokemon.
Mario, Zelda, Donkey Kong, Yoshi, Star Fox, Pikmin and Pokemon to name a few. The Wii series games or anything with Nintendo Headquarters development.

Everything outside of Nintendo HQ that Nintendo Published are free.

90% of the people on this site probably doesn't know this because.
1. Never uploaded Nintendo gameplay
2. Don't watch any Nintendo gameplay channels

DragonKnight2791d ago

@opinionated: Sega loves fanmade games. Nintendo has options they refuse to use.

opinionated2791d ago (Edited 2791d ago )

@dragon knight
thats sega though.. The last great game they published was condemned criminal origins lol. They will take any love they can get.

rjason122791d ago

Plus so that they can add every dime they save to making new Sonic games lol.

DragonKnight2791d ago

I'm wondering where the refutation of my point is.

opinionated2791d ago

@dragon
I'm not trying to refute your point. Your point is that segs likes fan games. That's cool, Nintendo, Microsoft and Sony are in a different league. I doubt sega would have put up with it 15-20 years ago either.

yeahright22791d ago

Nintendo is just waiting for us all to see the error of our ways and come crawling back to them for our gaming needs.

Eonjay2791d ago

Could it be because there aren't as many hardcore Nintendo fans as even the fans think. Only about 10 million or so... don't know but you can check out the Wii U sales. So to Nintendo, its fan club is nothing more than an annoying buzzing in its ear on its way to duplicate the Wii phenomenon. While Nintendo should work to keep their loyal fans satisfied, they need to also understand that Nintendo needs to do whats best for itself. People around the world love Nintendo properties (for goodness sake look at Pokemon Go) but most of us aren't going to out and buy a console just for their games.

gbsrnctaln2791d ago

The longer they chase the pot at the end of the rainbow, the further they will get from what made them great. Zelda seems to be their only franchise that has kept a linear forward progression. Mario has been held back to become more accessable (3DMW was great, but still a step backwards), and Metroid...pooooor metroid and its fans 😳

Eonjay2791d ago

Indeed Metroid fans got it the worst. Lets acknowledge that right now. But what you are saying is true and doesn't actually require them to release new hardware. Looking at how many folks started playing Pokemon, I think that Nintendo has proven that it would be the most powerful 3rd party of all time, easily. And almost over night. Would fans care about Nintendo enough to see it flourish as a 3rd party? See what I am getting at is that the thing that would work best for Nintendo is the one thing fans wont accept. And to me thats where this all come to a head. No one doubts Nintendo as a developer... well except for those Metroid fans maybe :(

gbsrnctaln2791d ago

I was adamantly against them going 3rd party at first, but Id gladly accept it if it meant getting true progression of their franchises on current/future gen consoles. So far the closest thing we have gotten to true Nintendo this gen has been R&C on ps4, and it did GREAT. Sad that other companies have been better at being Nintendo than Nintendo themselves.

EddieNX 2791d ago

There aren't as many hardcorse sony or xbox fans as we think. the majority of ps4 owners are COD FIFA gamers, not fans of Nathan Drake.

Eonjay2791d ago

Indeed, we live in a world where 3rd parties rule the world and that makes sense since they employ the vast majority of talent in the industry. I would still argue that Nintendo would have every 3rd party beat easily. Even in the case where Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo all were 3rd party... Nintendo still wins. So if Nintendo doesn't want to go 3rd party then fine by them but they also need to have strong 3rd party support then.

GrimmyReaper2791d ago (Edited 2791d ago )

Yeah, but news flash

Believing the actual Nintendo fans aren't important is just dumb.
They are after the casual market?

Sure, that worked with the Wii. But all those casuals? They played it once or twice, then got phones and never looked back.
With the WiiU, Nintendo claimed to be for the "hardcore fans" and how did they do this?

Announce 2 Mario games, a console slightly stronger than the PS3 and XB360, an online infrastructure that's still way behind anything available these days and gimmicky tablet controller that they did NOT send out for third party devs to learn how to develop for.

I honestly don't know if there are Many hardcore Nintendo fans or not, but looking at the WiiU sales, the decisions Nintendo is making, their lack of communication with the fans, the image that they are portrayed as a company way behind it's time and not allowing free advertisement, all these things are crushing Nintendo's chances of getting back that crown of being the best of the generation.

And don't get me wrong. Sony and Microsoft and Steam. They ALL have serious problems too. It's just that Nintendo's problems are mostly problems only Nintendo has and because of the ignorance of Nintendo and the C&D for this remake shows what the fans want. This isn't the first time this happened and once again, Nintendo is not giving a shit on what the fans want and then are surprised they get this much flack from the community

Eonjay2791d ago

Well, one thing that the community does is voice its frustration when they feel that Nintendo is screwing up. And I agree that if the fans are where you should start. So thats me saying that yes they need to operate differently but they can do so in a way that doesn't alienate their base. Should Nintendo have a console at least as powerful as the PS4? I think so and I understand their frustration. But part of me keeps thinking that they don't care about power because the Wii wasn't even HD and it made them billions. So I think it is unreasonable to expect them to want to spend a bunch of money on hardware R&D. Its all very confusing.

Everyone thinks that Microsoft announced Scorpio to deal damage to Sony but that isn't the case. I think it had to do more with Nintendo than Sony. No one really know how powerful the system is but by Microsoft over compensating... they now say they believe that the Scorpio will be the most powerful when it launches. To me that means that they don't know NX specs yet and are going for a hail marry of sorts.

rjason122791d ago

Yeah, look at Wii U sales, 13-14 million consoles sold, mainly on the strength of their first party titles. No other company would even come close to that if the tables were turned.

That's a pretty damn good success, especially considering that most Nintendo made games on the system are passed/passing a million sales each. The Wii U definitely was the most poorly supported main console in the history of video games, and it still managed to sell over 13 million units.

Now don't let me sound like I'm praising the console itself and being a blind fanboy. By comparison it's sold horribly to the competition (though the One is barely chugging along itself) and it's likely going to be Nintendos lowest selling home console.

Hopefully the mistakes that they made ok the Wii U have been learned, and they come back better with the NX.

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory2791d ago

No system install base is the entire fanbase of any of the three.

Their fanbase is either between 10-50% of the system depending on the install base size.

Eonjay2791d ago

Thats a huge variance. So in the case of the 40+ million PS4 and 10+ million Wii Us what do you think the % of those two bases are the 'hardcore' fans. I assume the Wii U has a higher percentage of Platform fans.. maybe like 50%+

OtakuDJK1NG-Rory2790d ago

@Eonjay
A good way to tell is by looking at each of Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft IP on their system and look at the top selling games they released.

That would give you a good idea of the fans on that system. Of course the fans varies depending on the game available or whether or not a Nintendo fan only have 3DS or Sony fan only have Vita.

In this case I would like to say that Wii U has about between 35-50% of Nintendo fans but I am positive the rest of the remaining Nintendo fans are on 3DS considering many of them never made the jump.

Segata2791d ago

13 million Wii U units sold and 60 million 3DS units. So at least 73 million fans.

Stevonidas2790d ago (Edited 2790d ago )

72,999,997 fans. Because I own both, and am on my 3rd 3DS (bought the original, later traded up for XL, then sold XL, recently bought "new" XL).

Still have my launch day Wii U though, and LOVE it.

Don't care about the "hardware". It's all about the GAMES.

PLAY GAMES, NOT CONSOLES.

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Behind The Dangerous Stunts Of Nintendo’s Iconic Mario Commercials

Two married costume designers share stories from a decade of traveling the globe with Nintendo.

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Bowser Is Canonically 34 Years Old

In a YouTube video showing Nintendo Switch owners how to create a Nintendo Account, Nintendo of America revealed that Bowser is canonically 34 years old.

jznrpg325d ago

I saw Bowser when I was a kid and now I’m older than him , sigh.

Brazz325d ago

Wow, i'm as old as Bowser!!

Stanjara325d ago (Edited 325d ago )

He looks 55 to me.

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Nintendo Is A Bad Company, But We Can't Help Loving Them Anyway

TG: “Most of us also grew up with Nintendo, likely forming a nostalgic connection with games that have long been crowned as our personal favourites. The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker was an experience that shaped my view on open world fantasy, and Super Mario 64 changed my life like it did for millions of others. These titles have earned their place in history, and remain loved to this day for so many worthwhile reasons. We replay them and beg for remasters all while delving into their worlds time and time again because they mean that much to us. It’s a shame then that the company behind them often kicks its own sweet darlings to the curb.”

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Magog334d ago

I never got the love for Nintendo games personally. The annoying vocalizations and ugly character designs do nothing for me.

Kosic332d ago

Don't forget the constant hand holding with tutorials. Learn this new ability by pressing Y, now prove that you can press Y 8 times before you can move on....

Tapani333d ago (Edited 333d ago )

Another very weird article.

Nintendo is a great company by almost all possible normal measures. The biggest one being: their own staff is happy, and they seem to be very happy, well compensated and retain rate is solid. They are also financially very stable, profitable, and cash rich, so shareholders love them.

Overall it is an extremely creative group of people, and their mission statement is fantastic as well "to put smiles on the faces of everyone we touch. We do so by creating new surprises for people across the world to enjoy together." The social impact is also massive, not to speak culturally. Additionally, they have a really strong core business, high customer retention rate and loyalty. Nintendo's reputation is extremely good, I think in the US alone they are 9th most reputable company, their customer service is better than the average company. Plus, the press gives them a pass, because they are Nintendo. But there's a reason why they do that, it's not "because they are Nintendo", there are more layers to the argument.

Then, then there's the random negative gamers online...and their "reputation" which is inside their heads. And their western ideas of how a Japanese company should behave or what they should do. But they have no right to ask a company to do anything for them, because they can vote with their wallets.

There's a small vocal community online who dislikes Nintendo for what they are, but then again, there's always a small vocal community that dislikes something.

Nintendo also disagrees with the Western world about IP, but most people call Westerners "hidoi!" when they emulate Tears of the Kingdom and do not experience it the way Nintendo wanted them (even if it is not the best visual way), because it is a matter of principle to them (Japanese are very much against anything close to plagiarism, and there are laws that are tight about creative works copying etc.)

The Western Braveheart "freedoom!" shouters need to understand that it is not an American company, nor they need to behave like one. They can have their own fights based on their principles (against emulation). And they very well may lose the battle with that and change, or find a new audience.

In the end, it is so very simple. Don't buy the products if you don't like a company, but there's no need to paint a picture that is unrealistic about Nintendo either.

MadLad333d ago

I hate virtually everything about their business practices, actually. Suing everybody for virtually anything, shooting down fan projects, games they never let devalue, their online infrastructure and how they handle BC.

They're lucky they make great games, because that's the only thing I feel they do right.

gold_drake333d ago

my issue with them, is the complete refusal to have decent tech for us.

and their odd censorship and lawsuits for modders.