No Man's Sky Is This Generation's GTA, Just Not In The Way People Expected

There has been a lot of negativity about No Man's Sky in the air, but does it truly deserve the amount of flak it has gotten due to missing features (According to me, it's too much)? Let's give No Man's Sky credit where it's due, the game has a great idea and is definitely going to be a reference point for future similar games.

[vega275]

No it not. Please just stop already. No mans sky isnt this generation saint row. Hell its not even this gen watch dog.

Just please stop trying to compare it to other games. Because its not. Please stop trying to tell us we need this type of game this gen. Because we dont.

No mans sky if anything should be this gen life lesson for devs, pubs, and gamers.

For developers- this should be a lesson to not hype your game by false avertising feature you dont plan on adding and not being honest with gamers.

For publisher - when you hype a game and put the whole weight of your brand behind this game and you treat it as a first party game and it gets this type of heat ( not in a good way) then your just as guilty as the dev putting out a half-ass game and giving the greenlight to charge premium price for a early access game and you put your brands reputation on the line.

For gamers - that they should stop pre-ordering games based off trailers and hype.

[TheOptimist]

Did you even read the post?

[vega275]

No i didnt read it. Because I'm tired of seeing these kinds of articles. We can go on forever about this game. The damage has been done. Lets move on to another story already.

By reading this article what new insight can you provide that we havent read at this point?

[TheOptimist]

I'm not gonna explain to you why to read this article, because it is in the post. And every story about No Man's Sky is not the same. So if you are prejudiced, then it's you alone, not everyone.

[Artemidorus]

Don't need to when the title is already stupid enough.

[Enigma_2099]

When you star out with clickbait BS titles, how can you blame them for not wanting to?

[cyber_daemonx]

@vega, artem, enigma, so you can judge an article simply by the title and without even reading it.

What a joke.

Woe betide anyone who has anything slightly positive to say about No Mans Sky. How dare they. For your information, the author is simply stating how the game will probably inspire more procedural games in the future like GTA 3 did for 3D open world games. But you are so blinded by your hatred you can't read past the title.

Ridiculous.

[sampson3121]

lol

[rainslacker]

"No i didnt read it. Because I'm tired of seeing these kinds of articles"

But proceeds to write a lengthy dismissal of the topic at hand, to express their disdain for NMS, as if people aren't tired of seeing that disdain as well.

@vega

If you're tired of seeing the articles, stop clicking on them. It's well within your power to control this. You may have to see the headline, but that's where it can end. The irony is, is your reactionary comment/view when compiled with everyone elses, only leads to the attention these articles get, which only leads to getting more of these kinds of articles.

[Aloy-Boyfriend]

Sony has little to lose here. Yes they trusted NMS was gonna be a great game, so why not pay for a PS4 port? What id it turned out the opposite? MS also wanted NMS before Sony grabbed it.

So, They didn't greenlit anything either. Hello Games is not their studio.

[vega275]

"They didn't greenlight anything either. Hello Games is not their studio"

http://www.gamespot.com/art...

Yeah sony did greenlight the price as well as knew what state the game was being released in on the ps4. This is the second time sony backed a unfinished game and charged gamers full price for.

Sony also blocked any videos of people playing the game as so it wouldnt hurt sales for the game in which they invested money into and advertised to the moon.

[Enigma_2099]

@cyber_daemonx

No, the real joke is when someone does something so obvious, and gets offended when people call them on it. That's the ridiculous part. if the title doesn't represent the article as he says, then why the hell did he use the title?

I'll tell you... clickbait BS. And that sort of thing makes me not want to read it. Simple as that.

[Mrveryodd]

wrong

[TheOptimist]

And why do you think so?

[ape007]

no man's sky is this gen's Haze

[VforVideogames]

you hit the nail right in the head.

[iTechHeads]

No....

[Artemidorus]

What is it with this generation of gamers today? You were lied to and had misleading moments yet you defend it and then blame the gamer?

Sounds like some of you need to seriously consider some more education.

I will say this though, keep defending lies and misleading situations and people will take advantage and create cancerous gaming even worse.

[Aenea]

Have you played the game? Have you followed everything about it the past few years? Did you have an idea what the game was about?

The problem is, if you had no interest in the game, or weren't going to play it for whatever reason, then you probably didn't do all that. Then you watch the videos of the people who feel lied to and you see all the obvious things that have been said that aren't (or that they feel aren't) in the game and you think you know how it all went and believe that people who defend it are ehhh, well stupid I suppose since you talk about them needing education.

The truth, however, is that people saw all the videos and interviews, they formed something in their head what the game would be, bought the game and were disappointed. No, keep reading now, don't hit reply just yet. They couldn't really put their finger on what exactly was missing. Then someone went through all the videos and all the interviews Sean did with a fine toothed comb and made a list of all the things he felt were missing.

Before that list came around people couldn't name any of those (except the "you can meet each other") items on that list, but after the list was published they immediately grabbed their pitchforks and yelled "SEAN LIED!".

When I saw the initial list about half of them were actually in the game, some of the rest were silly as well like "no planets like in the trailer!", yeah, well duh, 18 quintillion planets, good look finding the same one. When you ask the people who keep saying stuff like "look at the Steam pictures and videos, nothing like that is in the game!" what exactly it is they are seeing that isn't there they don't reply at all anymore. The stuff in that video and pictures IS in the game, nothing there that isn't. Yes, I haven't found the exact same planet either, have found lush and beautiful planets like that tho and big animal, small animals, predator animals chasing others and eating them, etc., etc.

Then the rest of the list are a bunch of things that are really, really minor. Yes, Sean said they would be in the game, yes, that is a shame, but I don't think many of the people with pitchforks and shouting the loudest could actually name those things before the lists came out.

Then I've noticed there's a whole bunch of people calling for a public execution of Sean (going with the Werewolf theme here) haven't even played the game, heck, one even admitted he was never interested in the game to begin with and didn't buy it and thus never played it. Even funnier is when you look at his post history that he's a fervent Xbox fan and has very different reasons to do what he does. Oddly enough, he's not the only one.

Then back to myself, I've watched everything I could before release, I had a picture in my head, I never put much weight in all those tiny things that aren't in the game that I had a false idea in my head of the game. I enjoyed the heck out of it, probably clocked around 150 hours in the game and loved every minute of it!

Does it have flaws and are there things I thought would be different? Yes, before all the patches the crashes were numerous and were annoying as all heck, not sure how that got thru QA. I also expected a real surprise at the centre of the galaxy, not just another galaxy with 18 quintillion planets. I had the misfortune to have an extreme conditions starting planet which made the game a little tough to begin with when you don't know yet how everything works, but once I did, I found the game way too easy. I also expected to have all the different faction standings to have more of an effect, etc., etc. But I don't feel lied to and I do believe that Hello Games will keep adding stuff...

[EazyC]

Is Bollocks: the Book getting published then, or will your rambling wall of text exist only as a desperate post on N4G?

[game4funz]

Yes people saw the interviews where Sean would say all the things you could do in the game and that were in the game.... And then none of it was. No idea needed to be formed. Sean formed the idea for his audience.

[Artemidorus]

He lied, he mislead and his company wanted a full retail price. It's 100% facts and anyone who says different is uneducated or deleuded.

It had more crashes than beta's I've played, it felt completely different to the game I have seen over the years, downgraded graphics, lack of features, no multiplayer to see another player and more.

People making videos are highlighting the mistakes this company made. Nothing to do with hype it were smokes and mirrors from Sean Murray.

[eldingo]

With ill intent or not sean murray still lied regardless of whether he intended to deceive people or not it doesn't change the fact he still lied to our faces and the hype built on lies that sean murray continually said in interviews by game sites and places like the colbert report and the floor demos contributed to the boiling pot that exploded when the actual game came out.Lies about a product of any kind however minor will always generate backlash when the actual product reveals them as the lies they are.

[RabbitFly]

Sean didn't lie. That is the point that all of his defenders is trying to get through. The game is not perfect, by my standards it isn't even great. It's just something different, something new, for that alone I was going to buy it.

However there was never any misleading lies. All of those came out of the hype machine.

I also love how most people can't name a single lie they themselves were expecting out of the game. Always referring to the already mentioned list or something stupid like Angry Joe's review. Like that carries any sense of integrity.

The only lie I see people keep mentioning over and over is multiplayer, but those people clearly did not follow the game at all, because it was always clear as day that this game wouldn't be a multiplayer game. I believe Sean mentioned it in every interview, as well as in his original comment, that multiplayer was unlikely, yet that is still the biggest gripe people have with the game.

Other big complaints is the lack of depth. Like Sean somehow promised a certain amount of depth. Like the perceived depth of gameplay suddenly had a defined measure. Which it doesn't.

The only point on any of the lists I have seen that can be considered even close to a lie is the lack of a fully simulated universe, because there was hope that the whole universe was going to be seamlessly simulated. I. e. planets orbiting a sun. But even that complaint does take quite a bit of assumption on our part.

I am getting kind of tired of this community becoming a lynchmob any time we get a real visionary. And it's always because we clearly can't keep our expectations in check.

[rainslacker]

Stop going on and on about it in numerous articles on the topic without every considering anything beyond the narrative you wish to promote, and start trying to move the discussion forward in a productive way, and you will eventually see the defense of this game be relegated to the extremist that exist on the opposite side of your own extremism on the subject.

Most people concede there is some merit to the MP not being exactly what Sean said, but those that want to try and get others to be pissed off about it can in no way ever once consider that the game actually is much more what was promised than it wasn't, and that the MP is not meaningful....exactly like Murray said when he said, "if you're looking for a meaningful MP experience, NMS is not for you".

If all you see is unending defense from ignorant gamers that somehow exemplifies a problem with gamers, then you'll understand when I say that some of us only see overzealous rampant criticism which has gone too far, and past the point of criticism, and is approaching mob mentality.

Basically....one or two or three features didn't make it, or haven't been discovered yet. We get it. But what people seem to be pissed off about are things that seem so marginal to the overall experience(both implied and expressly stated as to what the nature of the game was, that it's hard to take the criticisms seriously when no concessions are given towards positive discourse on how to improve potential future scenarios.

When you relegate the bulk of any dissenting opinion to being the ramblings of the uneducated, do you really think people are going to care what you have to say anyhow?

You want to be pissed off? Fine. Be pissed off. But you make yourself seem completely irrational by trying to insult others to try and make your point seem more valid. At least call people out individually if you think they're being idiots. Don't group all dissenting opinion to your own as somehow wrong because you want to appear infallible and beyond reproach.

[Artemidorus]

You sure waffle some crap, I get the impression you have a hard time understanding straightforward people.

I suggest if you are offended by anything I say you move on, it's an open topic for anyone to say anything and I certainly am not going to change my ways.

While you are there take a good look at yourself and ask yourself why do you defend liars and like the idea of cancerous gaming.

[rainslacker]

I understand what people are trying to say. It's not that hard to figure out. What's less understandable is the rather excessive reaction to this particular situation, and in your case, the rather excessive way in which you frame your arguments, and try to not even listen to anyone who has an opinion counter to your own....but yeah....it's everyone else who has a problem understanding straightforward people.

I don't defend liars, but I also don't support those who would make accusations without looking past their own beliefs. I can understand initial reactions being heightened, but to go on like this for weeks, when plenty of discussion has been give which could call into question the accusations themselves, or at least give some pause as to why he isn't a liar, or why people are over reacting, we are well past the point of understanding.

So my question to you is, why are those like you, with your attitudes adding to the cancerous gaming environment, where you have nothing but scorn for something which is only so vile based on a singular perception which you refuse to consider any other possibility?

I've asked this question of you, and a few others a couple times now, so I'll ask again. What do you think of the all the times where Murray said this wasn't a MP game? Do all those numerous instances mean nothing to you when forming your opinion? What about all the other stuff the game delivers which was "promised"? Does none of that come into consideration?

At what point do you have a discussion and look at it from an open view, instead of a narrow one, so the conversation can move from you preaching, to you actually having a discussion which forces you and others to think....and hopefully actually become productive discourse.

[PlatinumGX]

Wow, No Man's Sky fans are delusional.

[eldingo]

In my opinion we haven't really hit a point in technology where procedural generation as a concept is advanced enough to make a game by itself or be considered as groundbreaking an idea as gta's switch to 3d open world gameplay from 2d mission timed based mass carnage in fact the best games that utilized some kind of procedural generation that i played such as rogues legacy,enter the gungeon and nuclear throne all used procedural generation in the only way i see as viable to a game (for now this could change in the future possibly) to add variety and spice to the gameplay with different level layouts,enemies and weapons everytime you go back to play them its a whole different layout with different tools on how to approach it.

no mans sky in my opinion did not popularize procedural generation in my opinion it only gave it a bad name with how shoddy its implementation was executed in the game since the base game was so samey in the gameplay department that it didn't really matter too much about how a different a planet looked or behaved when the core gameplay was the same thing over and over again.

When other indie games have done procedural generation better than no mans sky before the game even came out im surprised people didn't just take a critical look at those games (the ones i listed above that i played) to figure out the ways that procedural can already work to benefit a game instead of just looking at no mans sky and being like oh not gonna do that.

As for the games that are similar the only games that i can think of that are similar to no mans sky to the extent that people would look for them are the following three games that popped up in my head FTL,Elite dangerous and starbound all games that are strong enough (with the exception of starbound in my opinion because they cut way too much stuff when they finally took the game out of early access) to stand on their own without no mans sky in the first place as good games.

the reason i consider this game a marvelous tech demo in one regard and nothing else is the sheer numbers if what they say is true that there are 18 quintillion planets out there in the game and the game was only about maybe 10 gigabytes of data that kind of feat is pretty damn impressive when judged on its own and if true i applaud them for that as the sheer numbers of it all are mind boggling but all the numbers in the world can't carry a game if its really samey and boring and that's how i feel about no mans sky really samey and really boring,it does capture the feeling of being alone and insignificant to the greater whole of the game world and only a few other games i know of have done that for me so grats on that to them shame the actual game isn't as great in that regard in so many other areas.

[EpicSandwich]

Nms is this gens biggest major let down, comparison to gta is hilarious, might as well compare Godzilla to the witcher

[Imalwaysright]

I just woke up and whoever wrote this article already made my day. Thanks for the laugh.

[WellyUK]

Your right both of them are terrible.

[The7Reaper]

This generations GTA is GTA

[Enigma_2099]

Boy, lay off the drugs! GTA was never overhyped to the point of outright lies, and it lived up to expectations... and in some cases surpassed them. You No Man's Sky apologists are getting ridiculous now!

...although I am concerned about where the game goes without the Benz.

[yay111]

http://stlouligans.com/wp-c...

[MCTJim]

No mans sky is this gens duke nukem forever. Only difference is you could return no mans sky for a full refund.

[Bass_fisherman]

DNF hype wasnt done the same way the game literaly done exacly the way it was advertised just a fun shooter with a bunch of crazy stuff, people had too big expectations for it.

No mans sky was a constant stream of lies during interviews so they could justify the game´s price tag .

[Bass_fisherman]

It could be if it did many things that were supposed to be done and still that´s still a far stretch.

If Bungie could pull of this sort of thing in Destiny 2 that would be awesome

[sampson3121]

really enjoying the videos of planets people are uploading, great looking game.