Has Nintendo Formed a Powerful New Alliance?

Nvidia won't be pursuing a new Shield tablet. I believe it has plans to conquer the world with Nintendo, instead.

[Maybay]

Some people believe Nintendo will go with DMP's M3000 chip (which makes sense because it'll allow backward compatibility with 3DS titles). I'd love Nintendo to go with Nvidia, though it doesn't look likely.

You never know, so here's to hoping this article is spot on about the N using Nvid cards.

[freshslicepizza]

microsoft went with nvidia before and it wasn't beneficial in the end and also complicated matters for backwards compatablity on the xbox 360. but typical nintendo wants to be different. let's just hope they go with a standard system where it is easy to port games.

[FreeSpeech69]

tbh Xbox 360 WOULD never have had Native BC with original Xbox due to the high cost, so bad logic. This is a completely different situation. Nvidia Tegra chips could easily allow for backwards compatiblity with 3DS/DS due to how Arm Chips are made. If 360 used X86 like the Original Xbox same could be done regardless of whether it was ATI (AMD now) or Nvidia.
Edit @Moldybread "Native BC" meaning the games runs within physical hardware and not emulation. I actually love the BC that the 360 had (And Xbox One had now) I'm just saying it had nothing to do with royalties, but more so that they would have to put a Original Xbox chip in the console (Like Sony originally did with the PS3 before they took it out to cut costs).

[freshslicepizza]

@FreeSpeech
"tbh Xbox 360 WOULD never have had Native BC with original Xbox due to the high cost, so bad logic."

bad logic? it's called emulation and paying nvidia royalties, they stiill got bc on the xbox 360 but not full bc.

"This is a completely different situation. Nvidia Tegra chips could easily allow for backwards compatiblity with 3DS/DS due to how Arm Chips are made. If 360 used X86 like the Original Xbox same could be done regardless of whether it was ATI (AMD now) or Nvidia."

we will see.

[Kokyu]

Hahahahaha Nintendo go standard and easy port hahahahahaha

[indysurfn]

The problem was Microsoft did not build into their contract price steps so that the price would go down as they reached manufacturing numbers(for instance 2,000,000 would have the price drop just a little, and then drop again at 5 million and again at 10 million and so on.) So obviously Nintendo will make sure they don't forget to make that part of their contract. That was well published and so long ago I'm sure Nintendo got the memo.

I can't WAIT for Nintendo to launch, I can finally play games like Braverly default (one and two) and many other true turn based JRPG's on a big screen(that is why the handhelds sold so many because all the jrpg's went to handhelds).

[freshslicepizza]

@Venomous
"Is that why the first xbox was so kick ass? Came out in 2001 and could do 720/1080i. The graphics to this day is still enjoyable. Way ahead of its time. Sign me up!"

it was kick ass but never reached its potential because of ther ps2 dominance. it also lost microsoft a lot of money because they had to sell it for a loss to try and compete. nintendo is not likely to sell the nx for a loss and nvidia do not offer as affordable pricing as amd. which means we can expect another underpowered system from nintendo because they don't want to sell a $500 system.

[Th3o]

It's not about Nvidia or not. It's about the fact that Nintendo was using powerPC before.

3Ds uses ARM and so does Nvidia for their mobile chips.

[Shubhendu_Singh]

I am alright with Nintendo succeeding.
But part of me doesn't want Nvidia to succeed EVEN more than they already are and become more arrogant.

Lets see.

[noksucow73]

I hear you there. I've always preferred amd.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"But part of me doesn't want Nvidia to succeed" lol

Keep your emotions out of business talk. Thats just......irrelevant. If Nintendo does will, Nvidia will still be around...I mean...even if they fail....Nvidia will still be around. Folks don't buy things based on "arrogant" or humble etc, they are seeking a solution to a problem and want a product, over all...it matters not. I mean...besides AMD, who else would you be buying GPU's from?

[Angeljuice]

Nintendo are notoriously cheapskates, Nvidia are notoriously money hungry, I don't think it would last long.

[Concertoine]

Nvidia does need a path back into the console business though, this could be their opportunity since Sony and MS are clearly sticking with the Neo and Scorpio for a while

[mochachino]

Nintendo should makes alliances with 3rd party support. That would impress me most when considering a Nintendo console.

[FlyingFoxy]

Well if it is a handheld hybrid, the good thing is that all developers will be working on one machine instead of 2, meaning first party games should release at a steady pace at least.

Of course 3rd party support would be welcomed, this is why I hope that if it is a hybrid console Nintendo will decide to go with the new Tegra X2 chip.

[jmc8888]

That's a fallacy. Why do people really think that makes a difference? You are blurring the lines. How is that good for console gamers?

Games are still going to be of their respective type. Games will be catered around handheld type gaming and console type games. They are specific genres designed around how they are used.

Handheld game makers are going to continue making the games they make, and put it on the NX.

Nintendo will still be making the requisite Mario/Zelda/console IP type games.

So nothing is changing, except you'll have access to both. The fact is though, for console gamers, the handheld games will hold very little appeal. Maybe Pokemon, but that's about it. Other than that, how many people really want both?

Do people honestly think that if you give Nintendo Console enthusiasts access to their handheld games, that will make up for the lack of AAA 3rd party support? It won't. It will barely move the needle.

So what good is a 'steady pace', if much of that steady pace consists of games that console gamers don't want? Access does not equal desire.

Nintendo console enthusiasts have always known of Nintendo's handhelds. If they wanted them, they'd already be in that ecosystem. So forcing console only people into it, isn't going to add much, because they've already decided for the most part, they don't want it. Of course an exception here or there, but this is really pretty much nothing to these people. It does not make console people want to buy a NX more.

The people who previously bought both Nintendo handheld and console will love this. It saves them money.

The people who only bought Nintendo consoles... it won't matter. It's not like as a Wii U owner, I said... wow I wish I could play that DS game. I didn't. Most didn't.

It's not like when I had a NES or SNES that I said, boy I wish I could play Gameboy games on my NES or SNES.

So to console gamers, they aren't going to see an increase in games THEY ACTUALLY WANT. Console gamers will see roughly the same amount of 1st party console games as we got on the Wii U. That is not what people have been complaining about for years. They want a large library with variety around the types of games they like. The NX, if rumors are true, are basically confirming via their focus, that you won't be getting that. That larger library is only larger because it added games they don't want. How does this help?

[jmc8888]

So why would console gamers buy another Wii U? Because it has Nintendo games, I get it. But people are tired of buying a box that can only play Nintendo games. So expect millions of people who bought a Wii U, to not buy a NX. Nintendo is abandoning something they could easily compete for.

Meanwhile Nintendo loses sales because the people that previously wanted both Nintendo handheld and console, bought both handheld and console, and now they would only have to buy one device. That's less sales for Nintendo.

So console gamers are getting another Wii U.

Handheld users get access to Wii U level games by buying less Nintendo devices, which isn't good for Nintendo. They are only able to do this because NIntendo was so far behind to begin with tech wise, that now their full fledged games can be on handhelds.

Rather than pick things up a notch, and get support from 3rd parties, they decided to double down on what people lamented, all in a handheld, and call it a console. It looks like they've given up on modern gaming and all western AAA 3rd party support.

They are sacrificing sales, and alienating console customers (which results in more sacrificed sales).

Now, could there be something not in the rumors that change things, perhaps. But I doubt it. I don't believe that patent will effect the NX, and even if it did, why would I pay extra to the point it likely costs as much or more than a real console? Why would I want to spend $199 and then have to spend another 200-300 buying devices to up the power, and it likely still would be underpowered.

It's simple. Console gamers, who enjoy NIntendo, just wanted a regular console that could have NIntendo IP's PLUS AAA Western Dev games that is the bulk of what people play. Nintendo CAN EASILY compete with Sony and Microsoft. EASILY. But people have convinced themselves they CAN'T, because Nintendo itself hasn't tried for a few generations.

Not trying, doesn't mean not able to. It means NOT WILLING TO. Nintendo could get the CoD/Battlefield gamer, as well as the RPG gamer, as well as the Sports gamer, as well as the young gamer, and Nintendo IP gamer. A Nintendo console with power that 3rd party devs can get behind, can appeal to the largest swath of gamers, surpassing Sony and MS. That doesn't mean they'd beat them, but they can easily be competitive, because they have more market segments they can tap.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Sonic 2017
Dragon Quest XI
KOEI Tecmo supporting it

Level-5, Capcom and Spike Chunsoft said there will be there in the future.
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You guys need to come to the reality that/
Japanese Third Party Developer are Nintendo supporters.

Not western.

[jmc8888]

Exactly.

Imagine the cry if Microsoft made a surface tablet with an HDMI port and said that was the new Xbox. Because that's basically what Nintendo is doing.

Yet some Nintendo fans think they're going to be getting Western dev ports on the NX of AAA games.

[Segata]

Well with Monster Hunter on Nintendo handhelds and DQXII confirmed for NX they already have a good lock on Japan.

[fanboysmackdown]

Sounds like a pretty solid theory.

[kneon]

There is a simpler theory, the shield sales sucked and that's why they aren't making a new one.

The market for high end portable gaming is minuscule, few people will bother, they will just play something on their phone or tablet.

[fanboysmackdown]

I don't really care what your theories or anyone else's are. This author came up with some creative thoughts on what might be in the NX. Do I want an NX with such crappy capabilities???, no. I won't waste my money on another Nintendo console if they keep coming up with more gimmicks. I'm only saying the author brought up some great points which may.....or may not be right so, here's a simple theory, go play your shitty phone or tablet games.

[jmc8888]

Not really. Tegra isn't a viable modern gaming line. It's for handhelds, that can manage to run Nintendo console type games because Nintendo console type games are like 10 years behind the times.

Shield sales did suck, and Nvidia decided that they could sell more tegra chips by letting Nintendo make Nintendo games to move devices that contain the tegra line better then simply selling a shield.

For Nintendo it allows them to utilize their backwards-ness as a supposed competitive advantage, because they can put their high quality games with 10-15 year old tech behind it on a handheld, put an hdmi port on it, and somehow call it a console.

[EddieNX]

10 years behind the times? Some Wiiu games look good enough to be on Xbox one. Some Wiiu games actually look prettier than certain Xbox one games and I know cus I own both.

Nintendo does more with less

[fanboysmackdown]

Again another knowitall who doesn't read into what others may be trying to convey.

[Sy_Wolf]

nVidia has a long history of screwing over Sony and Microsoft. If Nintendo does go with nVidia I hope the same thing doesn't happen to them.

[ZeekQuattro]

Problem is Nvidia recently told investors they are focusing on cars and A.I. which would certainly be a business reason to drop its next gaming platform as the last one never took off. Nvidia is moving on to what it believes is greener pastures in self driving vehicles so unless Nintendo is jumping into the automotive industry I kinda doubt it. lo l

[Fist4achin]

I don't know why Nintendo would go with cars. The Japanese guy showed up at the Olympics by traveling through the pipe disguised as Mario... that's a much faster route.

[ZeekQuattro]

Lol. Sorry I missed it. I gave up trying to find vids on it as every one I find turns out to be a picture show inside.

[wheresmymonkey]

Good point - Maybe Nintendo are teaming up with Elon Musk on his tube powered transit system.

[wheresmymonkey]

Maybe they licensed the tech they were going to use in the Shield 2 to Nintendo. It's not the first time Ninty have bought tech off someone else for a console. The tech that powered the N64 was originally offered to SEGA.

[jmc8888]

That's what it sounds like. It basically sounds like a Shield 2 that Nintendo designed and will have Nintendo IP's, and Nintendo is stupidly calling it a console. It's not.

It makes sense from Nvidia's point of view, because they get Nintendo's name to basically sell the guts of the Shield. This will be good if you are into handhelds, crappy if you wanted a competent console. If anything it should dishearten you because it shows they are abandoning all hope of a competent console and are saying, we're going handheld, but we'll throw you a bone since we can easily add a HDMI port, and since the Wii U was so underpowered, this new handheld can actually match or beat that so we can technically make the same style of Wii U games, but don't expect releases of console games to be faster than what came out on Wii U.

[Dunban67]

cars, AI and embedded mobile technology which could easily include video games/related- they seemed to side step the video game questions at their investor conf

[ONESHOTV2]

it would be so funny if the NX came with nvidia special features and the other console did not that would really set them apart but i dont think that GPU in the NX can push them

[jmc8888]

Yes that would be nice, in addition, they could have lots more power, and less heat/wattage.

Do people realize that the GTX 1080 uses less power and runs cooler than the AMD RX480 which is two notches lower, or about 40-50 percent as powerful?

In other words, from a power/heat perspective it is ENTIRELY possible to put a GTX 1080 inside a console. Now they don't need to go the 1080 route, even a 1070 or a 1060 would be good... just showing what's possible. Of course price wise would put the 1080, and probably even the 1070 out of reach. But the 1060? They sure could put that in a NX, and it's power and heat levels would be magnificent for the power.

They could indeed have special features, it would run cooler, it WOULD get 3rd party games, plus have Nintendo's IP's.

But you see, the problem is, Nintendo isn't going for Nvidia's actual GPU lines to power the NX, the rumor is, they are going for the fricking Tegra line.

Tegra line has no benefits for the console crowd.

It's mobile, and if you want mobile, you'll buy mobile.

If you want a console, you buy a console.

Now Nintendo wants to add a HDMI port to the base of a handheld, with handheld power, and call it a console. SMH.

It cannibalizes sales as now the people who actually want a handheld, won't buy two devices, and the people who bought Nintendo home consoles, will not see this as a console, and many will not buy it. If it sells 50 million, that's a disaster for Nintendo. They used to have potential to sell 150-200 million units with a well received handheld and console. So yes 50 million in comparison is crap. They're moving the goalposts, and many will blissfully believe it.

Some people also think they'll get more games because they streamlined it.

NOPE.

If you want console games, this restructure WON'T bring you MORE console type games. It WON'T bring you MORE handheld type games. What it will do is just allow you to access BOTH types of GAMES on one unit.

The thing is, most console gamers, could care two craps about handheld type games. Thus you really aren't expanding the games you specifically want by much. Maybe there's a game or two extra.... ooooohhh. Meanwhile you are giving up on anything modern, including basically all 3rd party support.

Literally the NX is likely going to have far less AAA 3rd party support then even the Wii U got. At least the Wii U got AAA 3rd party support decently the first year or so. I don't think they'll even get that with NX.

[wheresmymonkey]

The one patent nintendo filed that everyone seems to forget about is that they've come up with a way to pinch power off other devices at a local level. it's entirely possibly that the NX will be both a handheld and a home console. When its at home it syncs with a base unit that gives it a little extra grunt, and while you;re on the road it pars things back a bit in handheld mode.

All this talk of nintendo not bringing enough games out is bupkiss as well. with only one machne we'll get a steady stream of games. if you owned a 3ds and a WiiU there's been a new game from ninty pretty much every other month on average.

[danny818]

I'm sad they didn't release the NX this Holiday season! Such a missed opportunity

[conanlifts]

Random thought but what if you can also stream pc games onto the nintendo nx tablet like with the shield. That would be a twist.

[jmc8888]

Yeah, but who is going to use it? You'd need for someone who bought a NX to have a PC, and then also want to play games with it on the go.

Console only players don't want that feature, and many won't have a PC for gaming.

[conanlifts]

I have a pc and consoles. Not sure yet if i will buy the nx, will see what it has to offer. I just thought adding this would make the nx more appealing to some.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Tech rumors left and right with no solid evidence any which way...
I hope this coming month brings a new Direct with it.

[jmc8888]

Shield didn't sell much, and no Nintendo won't conquer the world with the freaking Tegra processor. There's a reason they have many levels of actual graphics cards, each far above Tegra in power.

So if has 'plans' to conquer the world, then I'd call them about as well thought out as plans laid by Dr. Evil.

Yes, Preparation H does feel good on the (w)hole.

[esmittystud101]

When is Nintendo going to learn that the only thing they are missing from there platforms is the hardware and third party developers. Its really that plain and simple. They get that going, I think there stock doubles basically.

[masterfox]

nope

[welly300]

Damn was looking forward to shield 2, still use mine great tablet nvida support is excellent.

[chobit_A5HL3Y]

nintendo's still trying too hard to cater to the super casual family crowd. it's a shame they won't learn their lesson because sony needs someone to bring them back down to reality. i wish ms was closer this gen.

[noksucow73]

While I'm rooting for Nintendo, I am skeptical. He said all Nintendo systems sold well, except the WiiU. Well the Gamecube wasn't actually flying off store shelves. I think it sold around 20 million in 6 years. Either way I'm still going to be one of the sales for this new system, simply because I always buy Nintendo consoles (minus the n64). Their first party titles are just too good to pass up.

[stalepie]

They could have streaming on it, like PS Now but team up with Valve and have a Steam app that plays PC games for all the western third party stuff.

[Cueil]

Nvidia has been nothing but bad for consoles... I'm not sure what Nintendo is thinking if these rumors are true