Why Games Shouldn't be Politically Correct

In our current society, it is generally accepted that everyone should obey by rules which don’t offend other people. In recent times, this has also seeped into the gaming industry and led developers to try and be as “PC” (politically correct) as possible so as not to offend the masses. This, in my opinion, is an attempt by people who get too easily offended to silence free speech.

[crazychris4124]

then the game wouldnt be fun

[NukaCola]

Because "Fiction?"

[WORGames]

I completely agree with everything that was said in the article. Just because one person gets offended by something doesn't mean a developer should have to change something about their game. I mean the point of a game is not to be politically correct but to have fun. In my opinion this political correctness bull crap is getting ridiculous. People need to stop letting every little thing offend them and just learn to relax and have fun. There's worse things in the world to get offended over than the way a character poses in a game or just because you saw a little nip slip or a dangling penis.

[uth11]

Political correctness itself offends a lot of people. But that never seems to matter.

Like maybe you change a character in the game to avoid possibly offending a tiny populations and you end up upsetting half the people who wanted to play the game instead

[Ashlen]

"Political correctness itself offends a lot of people. But that never seems to matter. "

So instead of moving the social standards forward we should instead pander to the sexists, homophobes, bigots and racists? Because it's better to let the hate filled groups offend other people than let them be offended by having to treat people fairly, right?

"@ashlen- political correctness doesn't change any of those attitudea, it just makes them go underground."

Well that's better than allowing them to openly spread hate as far as I'm concerned.

@Ashlen So your idea of "moving social standards forward" is censorship?

Who's talking about censorship? I'm talking about the backwardness of uth's statement. I support creative freedom.

Lol you already triggered an SJW.

Is that the best you can come up with, name calling?

@Dragonknight, I really don't want to go though this with you again. Last time we discussed this stuff you devolved into name massive name calling which is why i'm not surprised you supported this guy who had nothing of interest to say except to call me a SJW which adds nothing intelligent to the conversation.

Let me explain to you. There is a differences between how you relate to people in day to day and personal feeling. For example I support the KKK to have rallies supporting their beliefs but I do not support burning crosses on peoples lawns or burning down minority churches.

Just like I can support representing minorities in gaming and not support the censorship of games that come from Japan or anywhere else. If the KKK wants to make a game, fine, but also if a game company wants to make a game with a minority who's a homosexual fine.

"So it's your contention that progress is the rescinding of rights so as to protect ever changing, unpredictable feelings rather than teach people to mature emotionally and come to the understanding that themes and words are only as powerful as the individual allows them to be? Progress.

Suppressed ideas coalesce and eventually create irrational hatred that far outlives their originators. The correct approach is allowing the "hate" (more accurately known as disagreeing with regressive ideology) to have a completely public presence and be completely mocked and berated by logic and maturity. People are more likely to shut up when their ideas are shouted down as being absolutely moronic (if they in fact are) by the masses than they are by having the government impose emotionally based sanctions on rights and freedoms."

You fail to understand that when you don't try to stop this behavior it feels empowered and grows. A perfect example is the recent Brexit vote, as soon as that happened those types of people felt empowered and hate crimes skyrocketed. You can't just sit back and wait for people to change. Sometimes you have to move the social standard forward or else anger spreads. Sometimes you have to tell people they are wrong.

It's unfair for innocent people to have to feel harassed in order to "wait" for these angry people to realize they are wrong because they might not ever. And even if the majority thinks it's O.K. to harass and treat people unfairly that doesn't make it right. In the south in America the majority thought slavery was right, but it wasn't. People had to fight that idea to make it stop.

I stand by what I said about uth's original comment that I quoted and the only regret I have is that I didn't explain my feelings better to begin with.

[morganfell]

Art has always offended certain people on various levels and make no mistake about it - games are art. Art should never curve its honesty to avoid aggrieving the few or the many.

[Scatpants]

@Ashlen So your idea of "moving social standards forward" is censorship? I've personally never played a bigoted, sexist homophobic racist game. Do those even exist? I don't even believe it is sexist to have scantily clad female characters.

[PlatinumGX]

Lol you already triggered an SJW.

[Salooh]

I think when it comes to developers as a team they must unite in term of vision and respect each other beliefs. They really have to grow up and do that. Otherwise, many unnecessary problems will occur and effect the studio.

So make the game you want as long you don't mean to offend anyone.

If someone made a complaint , reply to it with respect. Then make your decision , however, at this case i would advice to change it just out of respect and that have benefit in the business too.More audience will give support and respect you if you made the effort. But still your choice..

But if the complaints have consequences you have to change it for the greater good.

You can be creative without offending. So grow up and be realistic, the more you appeal to people the better the result.

[Dolf045]

@morganfell

Tell that to the good folks at Bioware that were involved in Mass Effect 3! We can either have crowd sourced opinions on design which makes many people as it can happy based on player base statistics or we can have artistic license where we trust a developer to execute their vision. You're going to have a vocal minority bitching about it regardless...

[uth11]

@ashlen- political correctness doesn't change any of those attitudea, it just makes them go underground.

[DragonKnight]

@Ashlen: "So instead of moving the social standards forward we should instead pander to the sexists, homophobes, bigots and racists?"

So it's your contention that progress is the rescinding of rights so as to protect ever changing, unpredictable feelings rather than teach people to mature emotionally and come to the understanding that themes and words are only as powerful as the individual allows them to be? Progress.

"Because it's better to let the hate filled groups offend other people than let them be offended by having to treat people fairly, right?"

Because "treat fairly" means removing people's rights to free expression because someone else, an individual who is completely in control over whether or not they take offense (because offense is a choice),, is offended; rather than the already fair and equal treatment of allowing EVERYONE to express themselves as they see fit? Progress.

"Well that's better than allowing them to openly spread hate as far as I'm concerned."

Not on your life. Suppressed ideas coalesce and eventually create irrational hatred that far outlives their originators. The correct approach is allowing the "hate" (more accurately known as disagreeing with regressive ideology) to have a completely public presence and be completely mocked and berated by logic and maturity. People are more likely to shut up when their ideas are shouted down as being absolutely moronic (if they in fact are) by the masses than they are by having the government impose emotionally based sanctions on rights and freedoms.

"Who's talking about censorship? I'm talking about the backwardness of uth's statement. I support creative freedom."

You are. You support Political Correctness. It is antithetical to freedom of expression and inherently pro-censorship.

"Lol you already triggered an SJW."

You.

"Is that the best you can come up with, name calling?"

Not at all, but it is succinct and apt.

[morganfell]

@Dolf,

When people take such actions to appease the public, regardless of the percentage, their art becomes dishonest and thus far less than it might have been.

[JackBNimble]

And that is why I love Rock* games, GTA offends every group out there... lol

[Deadpooled]

Yeah lol, the nitpicking groups such as them SJWs and feminazis tried to claim the BS that "you're able to kill women in GTAV, stahp it" (despite claiming gender equality as always, yet ignoring and constant attemped diversion of the one thing about equal rights - "equal rights = equal punishment"), yet 30+ million people didn't care in the first week of GTAV sales breaking records for game sales.

[FullmetalRoyale]

I feel like you need to prioritize your time better. I'm not sure you should spend so many moments of your life harping on things which you do not like. Instead, celebrate what you love. I myself learned to take the proverbial stick out and just relax. Instead of complaining about a book that has offensive material, I'd rather just read a different one, etc.

[Hoffmann]

Meeh, stop making sense..you are on a gaming site after all!

[FullmetalRoyale]

Hah
Well I'm sure plenty of people view it differently than I do, based on the fights you see online, and in the world.

[drizzom]

I've said this before but its like watching a person put their hand on a stove. It burns their hands and they flail about making all kinds of shrieks and noises.

Yet they never take their hand off.

[FullmetalRoyale]

It burns so good! Lol

[NovusTerminus]

I don't think anything should worry about being politically correct... It should be the creators view of their story.

[BlacKJesu5]

People are easily impressionable....should keep it pc especially while we have people around who will find the smallest explanation to defend their ignorance

[FullmetalRoyale]

100% agree. I want to enjoy an artist's art. If someone's making something I don't like, why try and destroy it? There are many things that make me uncomfortable, but I do not think that they should not exist.

[Sayai jin]

I havw know idea what the aithor is talking about. Someone give me a example of what hw is talking about.

Gamed should be games. I have never been offerended by a game.

Does the author even no what free speech means. A lot of Americans think the know what free speech means.

Aside from games, showing people common courtest isn't a bad thing.

[SolidStoner]

dawg. what juu on about.

juzt relax adn enjoy freedom in games while we can...

m key! hope u undrestand mai speak! ;)

[FullmetalRoyale]

Nailed it.

[Sayai jin]

Soldier, not sure if you are trying to be fecisious about my typos or what. Using my phone and auto correct caused those typos.

I'm as thick skinned as they come. As a 21 year combat vet who just recently retired, so I've seen or heard it all. All I do now is stay relaxed. People say that people are way to sensitive, but that is subjective. Someone may not be sensitive to nudity, but they may not be sensitive racism, nudity, etc.

I enjoy freedom period. Gaming is a fun and a passion, but it isn't that serious. While I think the media likes to opinionate and blow PC out of poportion....this is the main problem.

I'm just saying, that showing common courtesy should be human nature. Some people say that why worry about if a small amount/minority is offended by something. This has been said for hundreds of years. People didn't respect the rights of certain races or women....it used to be okay to beat your spouse or significant other...it used to be accepted to fondle or harass a coworker. That social atmosphere has changed for the better. It's called....progression.

Again, being courteous and showing respect to others is the way to go. For example, I brought a house in a rural area. One of my neighbors does a lot of fireworks. But noticed that I never attended or watched why he popped fireworks. So one day he asked me. I told him about my combat experience and that fireworks, loud sounds, etc can sometimes cause me to have panic attacks...you know the whole PTSD thing. He could have easily said so what. He told me that he would go out even further to do his fireworks and do less. I told him not to. I told him to fire away as that is a good reason to live in the country. He didn't fire any fireworks the following 4th of July anyway. I had went out and brought a couple of boxes full of fireworks and lit up the sky that night and he came over during the show. He told me he was trying to be considerate to me. I told him thanks, but it was okay. He could have just considered me unpatriotic or a wuss or who knows, but he showed maturity and consideration with others.

I know that was a long rant, but back on topic. I say let video games be fun and should have freedom. At the same time people need to be mature and consoderate.

[Deadpooled]

@sayai jin "Using my phone and auto correct caused those typos."

autocorrect caused 'havw", "aithor", "hw", "offerended", "courtest" (The "Gamed" and "no" instead of know can be bypassed by autocorrect)?

[Sayai jin]

Deadpool, yes it did. My daughter usesy phone to play games and send text to my wife and family members. So if she types a mispelled words and clicks a check mark the the auto correct uses that new word as the correct word.

Spelling isn't that difficult. I would think with a Master's and Bachelor's degree I can type common words in the English vocabulary...not to mention being flue t in Japanese and speak some French and German. So please.

[SolidStoner]

that was just a joke... have a good day! ;)

[Sayai jin]

Solidstoner, gotcha! Have a good day. LOL :)

[lociefer]

why would you want that ? do you want fun games ? do you want developers to fully achieve their vision for a certain game ? na, ppl would rather complain about games they know nothing about just for the sake of self imposed "justice", screw developers and their vision, let's terrorize every idea for the sake of pretentious policing.

[Lennoxb63]

Nobody complains about movies though. And movies nowadays; since games have become more cinematic and immersive, are heavily influenced by games. You can't condemn one and not the other for the same acts.

[opinionated]

Nothing is worse than a politically correct individual. NOTHING. Social engineering has destroyed my country worse than any military ever could have. Their cultural rot has decayed us from the inside out and put on a facade that they are morally superior. They are a fucking joke and I don't have any respect for a single one of them. I give more respect to the racists and other scumbags, at least they don't hide behind righteousness. They aren't fake and two faced about their scumbaggery like PC frauds.

[ShaunCameron]

My sentiments exactly. And I'm Black.

[opinionated]

No kidding. These morons have set race relations back 100 years with their multiculturalism and balkanization. The way they pit communities against each other is downright criminal. Hiding behind a smile and "progress". It's laughable and I hope there is a silent majority getting sick of it.

[DragonKnight]

Are you Canadian, German, or Swedish? Because I'm Canadian and.. well it's too late for us.

[opinionated]

USian and yeah I know lol. Welcome to America for the last 10 years. Good luck. You guys had your shit together before. You thought that was bad just wait lol.

[DragonKnight]

Dude, there's no way the U.S. can out-regressive Canada. Canada is the Sweden of the Western Hemisphere, we even have a feminist leading our country. Top that.

[opinionated]

Lol that's what I mean. Your new dude is nuts. He's going to bury Canada. Welcome to your Obama years lol. Good luck.

[iceman06]

While I can agree with some of what you said, I have to disagree that "racists" don't "hide behind righteousness". They do. It's their perception that they and they alone deserve the privileges which they are afforded simply by the color of their skin (which they had nothing to do with) which they see as righteous. In fact, they go so far as to try to back it by biblical references. So, they DO feel a sense of self-righteousness in their assertions of their superiority.
All of that said, I wouldn't want to censor their expression simply because it allows people to actually see their ignorance. Also, I whole heartedly agree with your comment about social engineering...with the caveat that it's not just the "PC" crowd, it's government and politics playing all people to get the agendas that they want.

Edit: The government highly influences the conversation in the direction that it chooses. But, there are plenty of "PC" adopters that aren't in any way the government. Also, while racist extremists do tend to be up front. They aren't the concern, IMO, because they are a known commodity. It's the unknown ones that are scary. You know, the ones that have influence on politics, law, law enforcement, education, etc. They are hiding in plain sight, so to speak. They still have the sense of moral superiority and self-righteousness, but are more cognizant of how society reacts to blatant racism and bigotry. Overall, I get what you are saying. But, I can never respect (in any form) that attitude. I just can't praise, brazen as it might be, the ignorance and stubbornness of hate. The PC crowd doesn't trade in hate as much as false indignation in attempt to be seen as being on moral high ground. But, the anti-PC crowd can be seen the same way. It's extremes and I don't live in extremes. Most of the truth is often found while walking closer to the middle of the two arguments (the nuance), IMO.

Final edit: Don't wanna hog the comments. But, I just wanted to clarify that I DO respect your opinion. (might have gotten lost in my reflections about not respecting racists) It's very valid, warranted, and I actually agree with some of it. Thanks for the civil discourse and, you're right...it's not only a trait needed in the PC crowd. It's something that people, in general, need to learn how to do. Extreme differences can be divisive. But, often there is some shared ideology in subtleties. We don't have to agree. But, it's the small threads of agreement that hold the conversation together.

[opinionated]

The government is the PC crowd lol. Our education system is ruining the next generation with garbage. When I said they don't hide behind righteousness I mean they don't hide behind platitudes. They are upfront about their views. The klan hates black people, the new black panthers hates white people. They don't feel they have special privileges, they just hate plain and simple. Just because I respect that more than PC doesn't mean I respect them. I'm like you, I'd rather it be out in the open then them be fake about it. Pretend like their hatred is forward progress like new wave feminism. They simply hate men but they hide behind "civil rights". Radical Islamists hide behind God for their atrocious acts, etc.

[opinionated]

@your edit

Exactly. You have enough respect to have a civil discussion even though you could never respect my point of view. Thats all I can ask for. That's a trait that is sorely missing in PC. I think the anger towards PC completely justified. The results speak for themselves, it's failed our society in more ways than one. I get what you're saying, you can't beat hate with hate. You can't beat hate by letting them steamroll you either. Their deception is not something I can accept or respect ever, it's not in my blood. I have zero tolerance for people with zero tolerance lol. Live and let live.

[Sayai jin]

Opinionated, I figured your first post was tinged in closet xenophobia and hate. You say your country. Do you own America? Have you stood up and fought for yoir country.

Your statement about the POTUS highlighted your agenda.

You give more respect to racist? Curious comment. Seeing how most racist are cowards. I don't like racist, race baiters, thugs, especially the wanna-be thugs.

Please explain how these people have set race relations back a 100 years? That would be the early 1900s. Are tou really comparing that time to the current. Please. Do you know how ridiculois that claim is. I can give you countless a examples of why it's different by leaps and bounds.

You go on to say to say that these people hide behind self righteousness, but say you respect racist more. That's what racism is partly about self-righteousness.

Multiculturalism? That's what a America is about. We are a melting pot. Only those who have insecurities and hate can't see that. I can tell you in combat we don't care what our comrades in arms looks like, their religion, etc. Multiculturalism only fails in the eyes of those who refuse to progress and want to stay stuck in the past. They are in the minority, but usually scream the loudest.

We have had race relation issues long before the Pres. Obama. I would say ever since the beginning we have had these problems. That's simple to see.

The media likes to fan the flames and people on different sides...extremist...like to pit people against each other. Albiet, racist, race baiters, the media, etc. This is true.

There is a false narrative that certain people think they own the country. We all have ownership. While I constantly watch sniveling cowards cry about PC, race, multiculturalism, mad about peope speaking up aboit injustice, it sickens me becuase I saw to many of my American brothers die for this country, our way of life, our diversirty, our strength, our rights, etc. Every time I feel the 11 inch scar across my chest Schrapnel to the chest by IED...heart surgery) and the two plates and screws it pisser me off with people on tv, keyboard warriors, etc crying about all those things and complaining instead of working together on a solution. Thas not what America is about.

[opinionated]

Relax my dude. That's the first thing PC people always do. They see something they don't like and then they mob slander people as and xenophobic and haters. No, I don't own the country but it is my country. I'm a citizen that's passionate about it's history and disappointed in it's future. You have to understand we are talking to Canadians, Germans and everything else. When I say my country I'm simply referring to a thing our Country is dealing with. I'm not a "world citizen", I'm an American with all the rights it entails. I haven't needed to fight yet but I would answer a call to arms if it came down to it.

What statement about the potus highlighted what agenda? Telling the Canadian to embrace for their new leader's Bush/Obama debt and spending? That's fact lol. I simply said good luck, that mindset has crippled the American economy. I don't have an "agenda" it's my opinion based on facts.

I don't think you have a good understanding of what PC is. For instance, a melting pot is not multiculturalism. The melting pot was Americanism. The Italians immigrated and they didn't get shit. There was no welfare benefits, they had to assimilate and become American. Work, pay taxes, learn English, send their kids to school. Within a generation or 2 it was like they were here all along. Association breeds assimilation. Multiculturalism is the divisive garbage they teach in school now. To segregate communities by the dumbest differences that don't matter. Gender, Race, Religion, Sexuality. That is absolutely not what America is about, that is a fucking travesty. That's not progress, that's a devolving nation. The phrase "stuck in the past" is often used by people with the radical 60's communist mindset. Ironically, not only are they stuck in the past, they are stuck in an old failed ideology. An open border welfare state is an oxymoron. It simply won't work under any circumstance, it's pure idiocy and national suicide. You have to give time for immigrants to assimilate. An endless flow of immigration destroys the banner that unified everyone. We never had an endless flow of immigration in our history before Obama took office. He's not as mild and moderate as you believe he is.

The right to defend myself is not "outdated" whether it be a gun, words or law. The president, Congress or Scotus doesn't have the authority to infringe on these rights. PC lawmakers like to use the "equality clause" in the 14th amendment to "override" other amendments which is complete bullshit. The civil war amendments were adopted for black Americans alone. It's not some ideological free for all that cancels out the rest of the constitution. That's what I mean when i say they are fake and more dangerous than your standard neo-nazi scumbag. They are silver tongued and shady about it. The garbage media does fan the flames. The president, attorney general, various mayors and educators, they speak the same garbage as well. Where do you think the bought media gets their talking points from? Where do teachers get their curriculum from? We don't have an independent press or education anymore. It's an arm of the executive branch.

I'm not creating a false narrative, PC is the false narrative lol. It sickens me to see PC unravel the nation by picking old scabs and creating new false ones. I'm all for solutions, the solution is kicking the PC people out of our education system and politics. Teach people how to think not what to think and have politicians held to a higher standard.

[Sayai jin]

Opnionated, PC. I'm far from it, but I show common courtesy and respect like most rational adults should do. I call things like I see them. Your post was all complaining without any solutions.

The history of America. I take it you care about all the history of America, the good and bad? I completely understand that when I forums you have others across the world. Like I mentioned before, I lived abroad for over 10 years while serving. So I have a world view and understand how others see Americans. America has had the need for Americans to stand up and fight. I'm not putting you down, becuae you haven't served. There has been a need and always be a need. I fought for the American way of life and protected the constitution. So I respect the right for people to have their own opinion.

You mentioned Obama's agenda. You never mentioned Bush. It's been a lot longer than 10 years. Try at least 30 years. That's facts. I can name numerous over spenditure for failed programs. The America economy started a huge decline when we starred to ship our jobs overseas...last 20 to 30 years. In the 70's we still made 65 to 70% of the world's goods. By the 90's we made less than 20% and currently right around 10%.

I have a solid understanding of what people call PC.

[Sayai jin]

Opinionated, I have a solid understanding of what people call PC. With the melting pot ,you get multiculturalism. You had Germans, Italians, Irish, and many other nationalities that immigrated at mass numbers. They kept some of their culture from their motherland. You can see that everyday. Welfare was around since pre 1900. It has been called different things and had reforms. Yes many Americans in the early 1900 were on welfare, especially around the 1930s. I'm not sure why you state Italians didn't get nothing? Compared to who. There were numerous races that worked hard, spoke English, send their kids to school. Some were not allowed to send their kids to school and we're treated like crap. Europeans did not get treated nearly as bad as non Europeans. In fact people fresh off the boat had more rights than certain people who had been here for hundreds of years. I would argue that segregation is the crap that was part of the American way for hundreds of years and ended on paper in the 1960's. So in comparison, you say multiculturalism is divisive...look at post America before the 60's to 70's and tell me what divisions. This has been apart of America...a bad part that we haven't corrected. That's not what you multiculturalisms fault. Those are facts.

Stuck in the past is just that. Many people want to go back to the 1950 way of America. So noe I'm a communist. That's laughable. A communist they have defended the US through blood, sweat, and tears. Please. I'll pretend you didn't say that.

We have always had open borders especially when itcame to Europeans. Since you like facts. The fact ls are that illegal immigration has been at an historic low over the last 7 years. We had more illegals in the 80's through the 2000. Look those numbers up. More people have been deported over the last 7 to 8 years. Facts. Look them up if you don't believe. So I'll wait for you to back your claim that we have had endless flow of immigration under Obama. The facts don't back you claim at all. It in fact has been the other way around. I'll wait on that...

The 14th amendment was to right the wrong. You say it's only for blacks. Yes, because they were the only race that were treats worse than dogs and the the constitution at one time stated that they were 3/5 a man.

We haven't had an independent press for a long time. I'm tired of people acting like this is a recent thing.

Politicians are the main reason for most of the problems on both side, but fools wIll still follow blindly behind one or the other.

PC is a problem at times, but we have much more severe things unraveling the nation...and it's been happening for a while. One banner? There are many that like other banners.

Old failed ideology is trying to stop progression, to stop people from protesting injustice or corrupt politicians, etc.

Lastly, who took the tight for you to bear arms? Last time I checked law abiding Americans can bear arms. Even those that are insane...that's a problem. So many people do not know what the right of free speech actually means. I know all of our right and hold them dear as I have put my life on the line to keep them preserved!

[opinionated]

I'm not complaining, I just made a case against political correctness which is the topic. The results speak for themselves. You want a solution? Stop continuing down the path of political correctness. Multiculturalism isn't a melting pot. Sure there is little Italy or Chinatown but they play by American rules. Their kids were the ones that assimilated into the American culture easily. They weren't handed assistance off of the boat, they relied on their communities for familiarity but the end game was always assimilation and common understanding. Not multiculturalism.

Yes, I appreciate all of it good and bad plus the constitutional republic system. Quite frankly I couldn't care less how the world views Americans. Just like they couldn't care less about what I say about their politics. I speak my mind and for my country alone because it is my right to do so. Free speech and free press was mainly aimed at free political speech. The right to publish corruption without getting thrown in prison for the rest of your life. The attack dogs becoming the guard dogs didn't start yesterday but it has never been as bad as it is now. Like I said, the president, congress or scotus doesn't have the authority to infringe on these rights so I personally won't be silenced by cheap tricks and cultural hipsters.

I didn't mention Obama's agenda you said agenda lol. I said welcome to the last 10 years. Obama has racked on 10 trillion dollars in debt alone and what do we have to show for it? A nation at each others throat while the vast majority watches it crumble. 94 million of them not working because the economy is falling off the cliff. I don't mention Bush because Obama has been the President for 2 terms, that would be deflecting accountability and making excuses. Just because I don't do the "b-b-b-but bush!" doesn't mean I don't blame him for any problems however.

Why has American manufacturing left the states? Progressive regulations, EPA and energy enforcement. We have the highest corporate tax in the world. Full blown socialist states like Sweden have more of a free market than the states do. It's quite obvious why jobs have left the states and relinquished it's goods manufacturing for services and intellectual property. A new corporation moves to Mexico every month it seems. It's our regulatory branch and stupid policies.

I didn't call you a communist lol. I'm saying that's who usually uses that phrase. The marxist red types and I find it ironic is all. The only reason illegal immigration would be at a historic low is because Obama has legalized all of them lol. That's like saying "unemployment has dropped to a new low" until you actually look at the facts and see it's people leaving the workforce entirely, not people getting jobs. Your facts are useless stats, I have looked them up my friend. There has never been a free flow of immigration. It was always stopped for a period for those groups to assimilate before opening back up. Every single time, check it out. And no there hasn't always been welfare, a bread line isn't welfare. Welfare now is trillions of dollars. We never had open borders before Obama and there has never been more of a shift to welfare and redistributed wealth. Obama has spent more than any leader in human history, a historic high. There has never been this much immigration at once, you're wrong. Who cares about deportation rates when the border is wide open and they walk right back through lol? Come on dude, think about what you're saying. The stats contradict their own purpose.

[opinionated]

Yes. The civil war amendments gave full citizenship for blacks and all it entails. Free speech, free enterprise, due process and property rights. It's in writing in our highest law. It's not some magical amendment that can grant people their own personal vision of equality or social justice. It doesn't cancel out the rest of the constitution. It's kind of redundant since there was never any mention to specific race in our constitution before the civil war amendments anyways and by design btw. Then there was segregation and it did end in a significant way. Now people are ignorantly fighting for segregation with multiculturalism, not fighting against it like they did in the 60s. That's why I say it was sent back 100 years to the start of the progressive era and is even worse in many ways. I don't think there is anything more severe than PC in leadership of education and politics. That will be who ends America, not some foreign military power.

It has been fun having an honest discussion but if you want to continue lets go through the private message system. This is getting pretty lengthy and obtrusive to other posters I'd imagine.

[Ravenor]

Nothing worse than using Hatred as your flag bearer for creative integrity.

I guess what I find most disheartening about the "Anti PC" crowd vs the "PC" crowd is how everything gets boiled down to a very basic and simple formula. They changed her pose because of one person? Or because they had planned it all along as they stated? Developing and integrating things isn't always a simple thing, it's perfectly reasonable to believe something like Cammy's model change or the Tracer thing was something that was coming down the tubes anyways. We all talk about freedom of creative license, yet have a fit when someone changes something either way "positive" or "negative". Look at the R.Mika change (Do you even remember what that was?) was it because people complained or because Ono wanted it changed? He's stated he wanted to make the game inclusive while retaining what the series is about "the battle" and I don't think nipples or a buttslap was key to the Street Fighter experience. If you want games to be taken seriously they have to appear less juvenile, do you think anyone not integrated into the fighting game scene would have taken SFV seriously if during the ESPN2 broadcast she was slapping her ass? Absolutely not. It would have looked like Juvenile softcore porn.

Anyone who takes offense to the idea of developers looking at communities of people beyond straight white males and asking themselves how do we connect and engage these people? Really needs to take a hard look in the mirror, games aren't just for you, games are for everyone and it's time people understood that. Also Hatred was an awful game, it wasn't the violence it was the absolutely pedestrian story, rote gameplay and half baked visuals. Hatred was awful.

[DragonKnight]

The problem with your examples is that A) They come from Japan, B) The changes were not so complex that they had to be done after the release, and C) The word "inclusion" when taken with point A should tell you all you need to know. Japan is the land of zero f***s given and yet Ono is talking about "inclusion?" Yeah, ok. This wouldn't have anything to do with DOAX3 not being released stateside because of complaints, or how Nintendo got blased for Tomodatchi Life. Or hell, even with a Western example of Ubisoft being blasted because AC Unity had no female protagonist.

Developers who have changes planned ahead of time to institute down the line is easily distinguished. Pandering is also easily distinguished

The fact that you defend this idea that games will be more mature by listening to these fool ideas of inclusivity and the SJW/Regressive talking points about objectification et al shows that you don't understand that there will never be a good enough scenario for these (you?) people, ignores the fact that maybe games don't have to be taken as seriously as movies or literature because they are after all games, and completely washes over the fact that gratuitous, gory violence is perfectly acceptable (especially against the straight white men you so despise), but for some reason sexuality is where the line must be drawn.

And why? Because womyn that's why.

[Sayai jin]

Yeah, that was fake outrage over those visuals. Don't see how people got offended as you see peope walk around with thay look, on magazine covers, etc. People didn't have to play the game....simple.

[3-4-5]

* You could change something a thousand times and somebody new will always be offended.

You aren't supposed to let those types of people control things....but some companies have weak leadership.

[ShaunCameron]

All because they don't wanna be labeled bigots if they dare take a stand.

[FullmetalRoyale]

I just want to see a group ignore it. You'd see a few articles about the "controversy", the accused would simply ignore a foolish claim, and then... Who knows? I'm sure these people who are oh so offended would not only get bored quick, but they'd completely forget about the issue which triggered them in the first place.

[iceman06]

@FullmetalRoyale...The funny thing is the groups that you talk about usually DO ignore it...and then have some de facto representative come out and speak for them. We focus on these articles where one or two people are offended for an entire group...who usually haven't voiced an opinion one way or another. There's often really no evidence that the group is really offended, but the individual assumes that they will or should be.

[Sayai jin]

Very true. You can't make everybody happy.

[Fist4achin]

If movies aren't politically correct to set a tone and tell a story, then why should games?! Games are or already have surpassed as a more popular form of entertainment.

[annoyedgamer]

Be a rebel!

[NeonGeorg]

They shouldn't need to be politically correct, but they should be respecting of people nonetheless. If someone holds something sacred, perhaps you should be respectful towards it and them. It's about treating people with respect and love.

Of course, that is very hard to do these days, as everybody get offended by everything, no matter what you do...

[Ristul]

https://www.youtube.com/wat...
Christopher Hitchens had it right.

His brother, Peter Hitchens gives a more elaborate answer.
https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[NeonGeorg]

I did not watch the whole thing from Peter, but I agree with these pretty much! I do think that people have the right to be offended by some things, but not that it's any basis for censorship or something like that. I also believe people should refrain from offending people if possible, as offending somebody wouldn't be either respectful or loving.

[drizzom]

I'd rather the game designer focus on what will best tell the storylines THEY want to tell. If that includes some things that some special snowflakes find "uncomfortable" then so be it. Do whats best for the quality of the storyline or story content you want to deliver. I'm a religious person and I've watched as highschool students repeatedly slay the christian god countless times in JRPGs. The storylines are great and I dont let something like that offend me. But if I did and made a big stink about it, we'd never be able to enjoy the stories in SMT games or Persona games. Don't get pressured by some politically correct complaints to the point where the impact of your story, imagery, or tone gets watered down to some lackluster state.

[NeonGeorg]

Of course one should always strive to have a good storyline, but one should be respectful towards what others find sacred as well. It's always possible to make great storylines that may even include things people hold sacred (such as deities), yet without offending them. If they want to have a game where you apparently slay "the christian god", so be it, they have apparently made their choice, but I wholeheartedly disagree with them. The same about the caricatures of Mohammed, if they really want to draw these then do so, but I wholeheartedly disagree with the action, as I did with the islamic retaliators. Let's not censor people, but also let's not be disrespectful towards people, either.

[drizzom]

@NeonGeorg

Yes, I agree that developers should be respectful to whats sacred. But you make it sound as if developers go out of their way to offend people though. They don't. They are just telling the story they want to tell. There is never any malicious intent. Any malicious intent is assumed only by the person who looks at it. They cant go through game design walking on eggshells their entire career. Great games just wouldn't have the impact or be able to make that deep connection that leaves a lasting impression on us.

[hazelamy]

using your example, yes, an adult game character should be able to have a barely suggestive victory pose, it's not even like there's any nudity, the only skin on show is her face.
and unlike what regressive religion says, there's nothing wrong with a woman showing her face.

but by the same token games should not be attacked because they contain gay/trans characters or issues.
games shouldn't be censored because they upset the PC crowd.
but then they shouldn't be censored because they upset a bunch of homophobic bigots.

but too many "gamers" think that kind of censorship is ok.

half naked children?
"protect the creator's freedom"
gay/trans character?
"ban this filth, sex has nothing to do with gaming"

[iceman06]

I agree with the statement that games shouldn't be forced to be politically correct. I respect the need for creative expression and free speech. However, free speech is not free of consequences. Thus, the art should speak for itself.

Look, I understand the pushy, PC BS that we get left and right. But, the anti-PC extreme can be just as tiresome. There are some things that are in poor taste, or outside of the norms. Often, art likes to skirt around that without fully jumping the shark. However, when it DOES go too far, I have no qualms with people voicing that. Society, and societal norms, are not stagnant. They are very fluid. Some things that were taboo 20 years ago are commonplace today. The same will be for the next 20 years...and so on. But, there WILL be societal lines drawn as to what is acceptable and what isn't. I don't foresee a time where child pornography becomes common art. Maybe it's just me. That sounds like a good thing.

At the end of the day, you can't design your art around who might be offended. That stagnates creative freedom and expression. At the same time, if you create something that might be offensive, you should expect societal pushback. That's not saying that you have to change anything. It's just saying that you might have gone too far for the majority of people. Sometimes that's necessary to advance societal norms and sometimes you just might have actually gone too far. The PC and anti-PC crowds need more nuance in the conversation. Not everything that is offensive to you is offensive to everybody else...not even the entirety of the group you are offended for. Also, though, there are definitely things that most people should or would find offensive (like the child porn example). Protection and respect of free speech affords both. It is a choice to be offended (though it's more reflexive and indicative of socialization). It's also a choice to be offensive. (you know the norms) Respect is key. Respect the right to be offensive as much as the right to be offended. Self-righteousness and indignation, while it might make you feel better, doesn't advance the cause in either direction.

[s45gr32]

Yes, thank you. Enough with this political correct bullshit. If the person is somehow offended by the game do not play it period. We are all adults and we have the capacity to tell apart fantasy from reality. Gaming is fantasy not reality.