Survey Among Devs Reveals Much Higher Interest in PS4 Than XB1, But PS VR Is Behind Its Competitors

In a survey by GDC Europe, developers exhibited a much higher interest in PS4 than XB1. However, PS VR is behind both the Vive & Rift.

[Chris_Wray]

Only natural that the PSVR would be behind. It's restricted by the PS4 so wont acheive as much technically. No shock that the PS4 dominates as a console thpugh.

[ILostMyMind]

And probably will sell more games than Vive and Rift together.

[freshslicepizza]

no wonder why we have so much console warz on the forums between the xbox and playstation, seems like other than the pc and smartphones nothing else really matters. including nintendo. what is most alarming is how little the pc gets recognized here on favor of the xbox versus the playstation.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

I doubt that, considering it won't have as many games as Vive and Rift.
Sony's just dabbling in this: their strong sales have always come from proper console games, and PSVR isn't gonna change that.

[darthv72]

Wow, smartphones/tablets and PC/Mac are really dominating the console numbers. PS4 has a slight edge over XB1 but nothing to crazy.

[sampson3121]

sony has a history of great games and franchises. think ill go with psvr because of that.
the success of VR is dependent on psvr

[iceman06]

Imo, it has very little to do with limitations. VR is, at this point, niche tech and there are risks involved with developing for it. That will scare some devs away from it. PS4, on the other hand, has proven it's worth thus far (to developers). If they want to get some of that money, it makes sense to be attracted to the console that has the current sales lead.

[kaizokuspy]

https://m.reddit.com/r/PS4/...

I only care about the virtual theater mode and 3d suppirt, vr games I'll worry about later

[Errorist76]

Oh, the moment it will have sold way more than the others developers' interest will soon rise.

[ninsigma]

Strange that there is more developing for the WII U than the NX. Is that down to NDAs that they can't say they are??
In terms of developers favouring ps4 over xb1 isn't surprising. They'll go where the bigger user base is.
VR seeing more interest than AR... shocker....

I guess having htc and occulous on an open system is advantageous for devs so they prefer working on that. However the interest in PSVR is basically up there with occulous so the looks good for the future.

[Alexious]

NX isn't considered in the survey at all, so that's not a factor we can evaluate. It will be next year though

[ninsigma]

It's in the first graph, which is why I mentioned it.

[Alexious]

@ninsigma - Ah, you're right, missed that. What threw me off is that NX is not in the interest slide, which is weird - it would have made more sense there than in the other one.

[rainslacker]

Was the survey anonymous? If it were, NDA's wouldn't prevent devs from saying anything for or against something as innocuous as what was asked. It only restricts revealing sensitive information about the system, or even that it exists if it hadn't been revealed.

If it wasn't anonymous, then once announced, the dev is allowed to say that they are developing for it, and give their personal opinion on if they like it or not, sometimes with varying levels of detail on what they can do with it or what not. They may be restricted from revealing other things, such as that they have a dev kit or something along those lines, as knowing the dev kits are out there, and for how long, can lead to sensitive information being gleaned by competitors.

[KaiPow]

Sony doesn't have the pleasure of being the first headset out of the game, and after mixed reception to the Oculus, it's understandable that developers' interest would be a bit skewed.

[sampson3121]

sony will make VR successful. games games games.

[TheCommentator]

Shovelware. Last gen graphics. Needs Neo to be any good. Sounds like success to me...

[Stogz]

@theCommentator guess you need to say something to make yourself feel better about what the devs said, huh?

[2pacalypsenow]

Sony made DVD and Blu Ray successful now they will make VR successful.

[dcbronco]

2Pack you have a wild imagination. DVD was already extremely popular before the PS2 released. A friend owned a video store and got nonstop request to switch to DVD. It did help by providing a cheap player, but DVD was already huge.

Bluray is popular among a certain demographic. Overall DVD still rules. Bluray was actually passed by streaming some time ago. While many also bought ps3 as a bluray player, bluray can't reach DVD sales numbers. Best bluray sales of all time are around 7-8 million I believe and that's lifetime. There are DVDs that hit that at launch and go one to 20+ million copies.

[2pacalypsenow]

DVD sales more than doubled after 2000 worldwide after being out in the market since 1997 majority of people were still using VHS before the PS2 made DVD popular, and Blu Ray won the Format war thanks to the Ps3

[Deadpooled]

@dbronco @2apocalypse

It also helps that DVDs have become really cheap nowadays, blu ray is getting cheaper though, but as internet speeds improve streaming is taking over

[rainslacker]

It'll be the first on console, which is probably good enough for Sony's purposes. I think VR is going to be a mixed reception either way. Won't make it unsuccessful or successful because of that. It will all be in their messaging, marketing, and ultimately price and content. The first isn't always the market leader, and often isn't always successful, so there's more to it than getting there first. For instance, Apple wasn't the first with a smart phone.

[-Foxtrot]

If PSVR or VR general fails longterm I hope Sony will suck it up at the end of this gen, realise it's not working and move on for next gen.

[sampson3121]

from what I've been hearing, psvr games have been getting good reviews. VR, think we're talking about the future here. not a fad

[-Foxtrot]

Well we don't really know do we that's why I said "If"

But people think they are psychics and assume it's going to be the "future"

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Nah.
VR is most definitely a fad, in its current form.
The FUTURE, is going to be VR that is capable of full synaptic response.

[Christopher]

I think the good thing for them to do is drop 1st-party software VR development but make sure the hardware can be used on all future hardware. So, of someone wants VR software, they can get it with third-parties now and going forward. As long as they do that, they really can support it and at the same time keep focus on the games most people will want to buy and play.

[rainslacker]

Don't see why it wouldn't be useable on future platforms. It runs through the HDMI slot, and I'd imagine that will be available for quite a while to come.

We might see upgraded versions along the way(better displays/refresh rates, maybe more sensitive/numerous controls built in), but ultimately, the headset itself is just a display device with some input commands attached to it....not much different than how the consoles are already set up to work as is.

Still new things happen, so it's possible they could put more computing on the headset itself, and if so, that would likely make it a new "platform" since it will do more that would be required to run the games.

Even if the device doesn't fly off the shelves going in, I'd prefer Sony take the long road on this one. VR can go somewhere, but the commitment has to be there. Software is the key, and it only takes one majorly popular title to turn things around to just get people to dive in.

[Errorist76]

You wish...desperate

[amnalehu]

PSVR is behind kinda goes without saying since it hasn't been released. I imagine that come October the gap will be closed.

[Garethvk]

Makes since simply due to number of units sold and exclusives coming up.

[Movefasta1993]

no shit,just look at Japan.I wonder what system devs are intrested in more...

[game4funz]

Exclusives may have little do with it. Or are the exclusives sales reaching the 6 million or higher?

No, most exclusives sell very little compared to multiplats. So I don't think it's the exclusives.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

well duh...user base would I think play a major role in that.

[Hoffmann]

It does not even have competitiors on the console market yet.

[DEAD-DEVIL-DISCO]

I have the 500 psvr bundle preordered. But just now i am seeing dang near every game supported by the oculust ,, id rather it tbh. I might be dumb for thinking this cause i dont feel like researching right now,, but arent the xbox and ps4 remote play on pc's now? And could the rift be incorporated ? It kind of feels like the best choice. But i can not afford a high end pc for a long time. The psvr is for my son's birthday / xmas gift. Idk,, any opinions for my post?

[whitesoxfalife1976]

yeah ......don't worry whats going with the other tech on pc. Tho im not an ps4 owner but I believe you made the right call to purchase the Pre order bundle for your son and you as well cut I know u gonna try it out to make sure its safe for your son to play on it.

And yes remote play is available from xbox/ps4 but I don't think it will be rift incorporated from Sony but at least MS is doing so for Scorpio. Hope that helps out a lil bit for ya bud

[DEAD-DEVIL-DISCO]

Thank you. Yes im making sure my sons gonna be ok. His eye spacing is exactly measured with mine. And i like the short games at launch for ,, ya know,, and not letting him jack in for hours lol.

[rainslacker]

I don't know if remote play would be ideal for VR. The lag introduced would be off putting when actually using the device. The lag is tolerable, and not even noticeable with a regular game, assuming your connection is good, but with VR, the input and display latency will be readily apparent, and will cause quite a bit of motion sickness symptoms because your eyes won't see what your body thinks it's supposed to.

That being said, OR doesn't support remote play on PS4. The games may work...not really sure...but it outputs the signal to a processing box which splits the signal for people to use on PSVR. The software is going to output that signal as is, regardless of if it's remote play or not, and the PC remote play won't be able to interpret it without an update.

Given how Sony has a vested interest in selling their own hardware here, and they are trying to dissaude people from going to PC, it doesn't make a lot of sense based on their goals for them to even offer the option if it was a workable solution.

As far as MS, they have a remote play solution, but it's not really a matter of the visor hardware, it's the practicality of the implementation that has to be figured out, more than what hardware will be supported where and how.

There are some streamed VR solutions out there...or coming. I'm not sure when or if it will be made available with remote play.

[DEAD-DEVIL-DISCO]

Thank you

[S2Killinit]

Higher interest in PS4 is already demonstrated by the fact that PS4 has the exclusives.

As far as PSVR, i think the situation might change a bit once its released and Sony's first party studios go to work.

BTW: I'm not sure why my post came up under your comment Dead-Devil-Disco, sorry bout that.

[game4funz]

How much are those exclusives selling again?

Now compare that to the multiplats...

[S2Killinit]

On average multiplats sell slightly over 2X more on Playstation than on Xbox. That's what I'm saying. Since the multiplats sell more on PS4, any company that wants to make an exclusive game, takes that into consideration. That is why PS4 has more 3rd party exclusives.

[XMarkstheSpot]

@S2K So because PS4 has more install base devs are going to cut out an extra 25 milloin ppl to be PS4 exclusive? Yeah okay, someone needs a new CFO

[rainslacker]

K, high profile exclusives tend to outsell the majority of multi-plat games. Maybe 10%(being generous) of multi-plat games see higher or equivalent sales to any one exclusive game.

Non high profile exclusives tend to sell about on par with non high profile multi-plats.

Hope that clears things up for you since I've seen you ask it a couple times now. I can see your concern, so felt I'd answer since you can't seem to go and look up the info yourself.

I'm also assuming you mean on the system those exclusives are releasing on. Obviously a game that releases to a wider audience is probably going to sell more across multiple platforms. But games like UC and GT tend to rank up there pretty high in sales.

Data is readily out there for you to provide an argument, instead of some hyperbolic question meant to incite fan boy discussion. Try backing up your implication....you might actually achieve something.

[game4funz]

@rainslacker

You clearly didn't look up the info.

@S2killinit

Not what you said at all but okay.

[rainslacker]

I know the info. I don't have to look it up. I don't post the info, or research it for backing up my claims, because on here, trying to do so for someone such as yourself is a waste of my time. I used to do such things, but gave up on that years ago.

The impetus is on you to prove your argument to be right. I called you out on your BS, now you have the chance to prove me wrong by bringing in something more than your implied notion that exclusives can't sell as well as multiplats, or that multiplats are somehow outpacing exclusives across the board.

I await your reply which brings something more than hyperbole.

[USMC_POLICE]

Yay vita is on there almost on par with the DS!

[TheColbertinator]

Obviously. PS4 has sold more so more people are interested in it.

[Skankinruby]

I have 2 psvr's ordered and I will still admit there are a couple alarming things about it. Like how easily will sony abandon it if sales don't meet expectations like they did with the vita. There's so much potential with this I just hope it latches on to the gamer audience as a whole because vr deserves it.

[iceman06]

I think it's safe to assume that Sony is invested in VR. The thing is, it's not only Sony. There's Google, Samsung, HTC, Facebook, etc. that are trying to push the platform. Even MS, though they don't currently have a headset, were selling the idea of the Scorpion as a means to play high-end VR games with Occulus support.
It's a different climate than the Vita, which was competing with the DS and the emergence of the tablet/smartphone games. They competed, but only on consoles. VR will basically cover smartphones, consoles, and PC. With all of the money and branding power behind it, if VR fails, then we just aren't ready or it was a severe miscalculation. People just need to be patient and realize that gaming started with Pong. The first VR experiences, while not as rudimentary as Pong, reflect the humble beginnings. Patience will prove paramount for VR. (at least in terms of full integration and competing as a primary means of gaming)

[game4funz]

So devs in Europe... Europe where Sony clearly outsells the Xbox... Have more interest in ps4?

Shocker!
BTW the sky is blue.

[MasterCornholio]

Sony outsells Xbox everywhere so the same could be true for other regions.

[Herbalistic]

PS4 is beating the Xbox in every region.

[King_Lothric]

PSVR will get traction once it releases and start making VR a mainstream success

[zerocarnage]

@moldybread: soon as every game or the majority become cross platform between xb1 and pc, you can bet assured that there be news wars kicking off. It won't be which platform is better, or which platform has the best games, it will be which out of xb1 and pc has the most skillful players.

I hope the invitation from ms to Sony actually gets Sony in the game to, in this day and age, consoles should all be linked together so everyone can play there games with whoever they please on any platform they desire.

Exclusives I think will also be rarer on all sides of the pond, as consoles are releasing at more power, more and more devs will start bringing past,present and future content onto consoles. Realising now there will be more powerful machines on the market not only do pc devs have a new fan base to exploit but some pc devs have already prooven, that just because it's God knows how many years old, that there still money to be made and console fans are grabbing them up.

I could understand the 360 generation and devs saying that the consoles are not yet powerful, but this gen and come neo and Scorpio, there really is not excuse at all for not selling and remaking those pc games for consoles anymore.

I'm pretty sure when Scorpio comes out a lot of devs are going to be doing some things new and some things old for console, instead of just the usual pc developing.

I certainly would love to see games like guild wars, wow, rift, rts games on my consoles and like I said ( there's really is no longer any excuse , not to release games from pc to console) with mouse and keyboard support.

As for the topic itself, I tend to not believe it unless I see some actual proof on it, anything can happen at anytime, winds can shift at any moment and what was once on top can now be on the very bottom.

[BattleAxe]

Well the people surveyed were from Europe, which explains it.