Is the Xbox 360 reaching the limit of its capabilities?

There is only so much time that can be put into wringing that last ounce of capability out of consoles. And it must be true that now developers are nearly getting the most out of the 360.

[QueefyB_Angelitos]

Yes, it could only hold 4 slices of bread to toast at 1 time.

Edit: Seems like a mod took all my bubbles. Would you help me out fellas?

[Chris Hansen]

Dude, how did you lose all your bubbles soo fast? I could have sworn I saw you with 5 bubbles like 20 mins ago.

[GameDev]

LEFT THAT THE MODS ARE POLESMOKING XBOTS?

[Sir_Ken_Kutaragi]

It's impossible for you to get your Bubbles back on this once the Mod's don't like you
:-/
I'll Bubble you up anyway, but it will make no difference mate.
If you say you love M$ + xBox 360 you'll get them back and never lose any Bubbles...Hmm...like 'pp'???

+YEP!!! The xBox 360 looks outdated this year!!! ;-D
Some PS2 games look better than the xBox 360 games!!! ;-D

[DavidMacDougall]

Yeah iv noticed pp never loses bubbles wtf is that fu(king xbot mods can suck my d!ck

[ps3killin360]

the 360 reach it limit a very long time ago with gear of war 1, the 360 visuals are crap to everyone that has a sony ps3. only the 360 fanboy seem to think that games like too human, gear of war, etc.. looks better then anything the ps3 has. ps3killin360 fully believe that all the 360 games look pitiful, boring, and repetitive with horrible draw distance which are fine for immature 360 fanboy. this reaffirms my believe that the most powerful and all around better system is sony ps3.

ps3killin360...

[theKiller]

every body knows this bubble system is up to the admins, and they r bots them selfs!! how is it possible to lose 3 bubbles in few hours and take forever to regain them??

also pp and theMART etc all never lose their bubbles, maybe it takes for them to lose a bubble 1 year!! but for ps3 fans few minutes or hours!

so as ken said its pointless to bubble someone back to 5 if he got less than 4 if he was a ps3 fanboy because the admins wont allow this person to get more bubble the the best example is me!!

[Shane Kim]

And I really like Bloodmask's signature. He hates Sony fanboys and think they have a wired attachment to the console while he is the biggest xbuttbaboon on this site.

[Pain]

Didnt we all know that already?

and Bubbles o oo0oOoooOo00oO0oooo

And yes bubbles are for the XBOX fans, since thats how it seems to work hear.

[Chris Hansen]

"Is the Xbox 360 reaching the limit if its capabilities?"
bruceongames with his sh*t grammar

[theKiller]

with bioshock and gears releases and anyone who deny that cant try to prove me wrong!!

of course there will be slight improvements in gears 2 but nothing will be better than bioshock 360 version!

[edhe]

You can max out a CPU with a few simple instructions.

Pointless 'metric'.

It's not about what the hardware can do for you, but what you can do with the hardware.

Did the ps2 peak at GT3, GT4? God of war 1? 2?

The software will improve year on year on year until there's no incentive for it, no matter what platform.

[gaffyh]

I'm not even going to read this guys article, just reading bruceongames is enough to know that the article will be a pile of sh*t.

[Fox01]

bruceongames, Kotaku, SonyDefenceForce (SDF = Homeless in French, just throwing that there), HipHopGamer all on the same pile ... of s***t

[marinelife9]

Epic isn't saying the games won't look better in the future. They're just implying that the difference in what your seeing today and what you'll see in the future on the 360 won't be as big.

There was huge jump in graphics from Perfect Dark Zero to Gears of War and Bioshock.

[thewhoopimen]

A year ago.

[Maddens Raiders]

like to put into this article, it is totally nullified by finding it on "bruceongames.com".

[deno]

The ps2 and gamecube have not reached their limits so that should answer the question to this stupid article.

[Surfman]

Yes.

...but Bruceongames should be banned of N4G.

[NovusTerminus]

Why did this get to the front page? This guy has no clue what he is talking about.

[jtucker78]

It's bruceongames.

I managed to stop myself before I clicked on the link. He aint getting hits from me.

Not read the article, WooHoo.

[Ozzyb]

Same here. If I wanted to see a steaming pile of crap, this is the internet, I have other options.

[Dyingduck]

lol

[Fux4Bux]

Crappy article. But 360 probably has pretty much peaked. Easy to use PC type hardware means they've been exploiting it like %95 since first ground up exclusives like Gears.

[power of Green]

It reached it's limit because you say so, for obvious reasons.

Like a made up talking point Fox news would make up trying to pass missinformation as popular opinion and facts.

PS3 is not as powerful, its strenths *in theory* will be just physics. PS3 has inferior Memory use, an inferior CPU and an inferior video card.

[radio0o]

360 has obviously reached near its limit, the visuals on it havnt advanced since Gears of War and part 2 looks exactly the same meanwhile PS3 games are just getting better and better. cant imagine what things will look like by the end of the generation

[SixTwoTwo]

And heres PoG right on time for his beef>>>chicken arguments.

[Ri0tSquad]

Leave it to this guy.

[el_bandito]

Motorstorm only utilizes 20% of the PS3 CELL’s power, Uncharted around 33% and Killzone 2 45%....

Yeah right Yoda...

[consolewar]

PS3 sakes

[kevanio09]

Motorstorm only utilizes 20% of the PS3 CELL’s power, Uncharted around 33% and Killzone 2 45%....

Do you really think that this will make games look 55% better than Killzone 2?

Personally i think that both consoles are completely underpowered. But then again i think guild wars is an amazing looking game ^_^

I think that extra 55% would be used by better animation, better physics ect....not necessarily better graphics.

[SuperM]

If a game used 100% of the ps3 capability that would not be 55% more then KZ2 with its 45%... Thats well over 100% more power. So theoreticly the game could look twice as good as KZ2. But ofcourse all this power will not be used only on graphics. Better physics and all of that will probably use some of that power, but the games will definately look better aswell.

But they will never reach a 100%. Yet if they manage to push it 80-90% then thats alot and i mean alot more power then what we have seen being used in games so far. PS3 games are going to outshine 360 games by a wide margin this generation as developers learn to use more of the ps3's power.

I know there are certain ignorant individuals who try to deny this nomather how obvious it is. All i got to say is keep believing that. The games will speak for themselves, and it feels good to know that you will never be able to enjoy these games because you are to pride or to ignorant to try them. Please say what you want, but keep in mind that you are talking to air. I have better things to do then listening to a generic message of how ps3 sucks and xbox owns.

[NowGen]

you guys spouting all these #'s like 45% this and 55% that all sound like losers. have people been so consumed over some fake ass gaming war and number battles that they forgot what really matters? i dont care if my 360 has reached some proverbial peak or not, as long as it keeps feeding my gaming habit. and my ps3 can have as many flaws as people may want to mention, but if it gives me some fun ass games its not like i'm gonna go looking up some #'s to verify whether i just had fun or not.

[el_bandito]

Sorry mate we might sound nerdy to you but that is why we are under a thread that has a phrase "limit of its capabilities" in its title. The numbers I just threw in and I just happened to read in some article about a NEXT GEN console, has just made me wonder what a video game would look like if they go beyond those numbers. I don't see anything wrong with that.

[The Lazy One]

people throw out percentages without actually knowing how the cell works, or what it's being used for.

[thewhoopimen]

Enlighten me Lazy Gamer

[The Lazy One]

The Cell isn't used much for graphics, as it's architecture isn't designed to push for it. It's also subject to diminishing returns because of the single PPE. While you might only use half the cells for those games, you won't get double the power from using all of them, as the PPE won't be running twice as fast with them.

Also, the EIB isn't fast enough to let the cell work at it's potential peak performance.

edit: disagrees mean you love me <3

[potenquatro]

don't confuse good grafics with good art direction. gears, like uncharted, have great art direction. they look very nice, but they don't push the hardware to it's limits. i've played gears on pc and you don't need a high-end rig at all. meanwhile a game like gta4, wich nobody claims has incredible grafics, runs sub-HD on ps3 and has ridiculous pop-ups on 360. on-topic: xbox, the most dev friendly console, has been in developers hands for more then 3 years. it has to peak. however, assimilating that with the thought of games not evolving or not getting better is ignorant imo.

@superM : we all have better things to do then read about how ps3 is obviously better and lame unfounded percenteges that proof nothing on how good a game is. it's not like there aren't a million ps3 fans on this site claiming what your claiming.

[skulldrey]

Dont be mad that the ps3 still has more life left in it than the xbox. 10 year life-cycle baby.

As far as xbox goes. Youll be seeing the 720 here pretty soon.

Sony went with hardware first, software second. Good choice. Software can be updated via them. Hardware can't. Good game.

[thewhoopimen]

I c... So the cell is not for graphics. Then what is it for? Why have 7 of them running if there is a PPE that can do everything a xbox360 triple cpu can do (albeit slower?) What about the EIB? What does the PPE need the EIB for if it runs general operations and doesn't need to delegate to the SPE? Why do developers talk about doing most of the calculations in the SPEs and outputting it to the RSX to display on screen?

[The Lazy One]

exactly my point in 4.11

[timmyrulz]

This headline has been posted abiut 6 times on here over the past few months, not this exact thread but the headline from different sources, if the x360 has reached its graphical limits so be it, graphics dont make a game

[themyk]

correct they don't make a game. but they do play a HUGE part. like it or not.

[themyk]

the only reason you guys disagree with me is because your graphix suck. so of course you disagree.

[The Lazy One]

graphics and art aren't the same thing. The graphics in PoP aren't really exceptional by any means (except some effects). The art direction is what makes it good. Visual appeal is more about art than graphics.

[Lich120]

I think it's funny how you don't really see PC gamers on here mocking everyone because the graphical power they can get can blow all the systems out of the water. I doubt they're more mature, maybe they just got sick of people telling them it costs way too much (which it doesn't have too...). Regardless, I've played through crysis on max settings, it looks amazing. However I still think WoW looks awesome because I really dig their art direction. Life doesn't have to be a squable people. I wonder if sony and xbox fans really think they're companies are so great. Theres no honor in big buisness, just money. They don't care about you, they care about your money.

[TheColbertinator]

Crap article from a crap website

Ignore list.
1.Sonydefenseforce
2.Kotaku
3.Gamesradar
4.Bruceongames

[Kleptic]

don't forget GameDaily...they are nearly as bad as bruce...

[TheColbertinator]

I forgot about them.PlayTM will also be added on.Any more suggestions,anyone?

[silverchode]

n4g

[00]

Is this guy bad, he should get banned from N4G.

[power of Green]

The 360 is always reaching it's limit, it depends on what is happening in the market or the current status of the console(A huge push in just days due to price drops is most likely causing this anti MSFT desperation from certain media and Sony fans).

I remember when GoW was the 360's supposed limit, despite games like Star Ocean 4, Alan Wake, CoD4, Far Cry 2, RES5, Bayenetta, Dungeon Hero etc.

3 years from now when devs better learn multi thread/core development and actually use the 360's greatest capabilities, the same media and fanboys will be saying the same thing regardless of the jump from current engines and skills vs future skills and engines.

[tetsuhana]

Star Ocean 4-No gameplay shown/Timed exclusive anyway
Alan Wake-Nowhere in sight
Cod4-Multiplat/didn't even look better than gears
Far Cry 2-Multiplat

[solidsnakus]

well resistance 2 isnt pushing any graphical boundries. looks nowhere close to cod4 IMO.

[power of Green]

Funny how no one pays attention to the fud on this site outside of Sony fans.

@7.2 I'm not understanding why you would bring up a game that looks like an PS2 title.

[Idonthatejustcreate]

"PS3 is not as powerful, its strenths *in theory* will be just physics. PS3 has inferior Memory use, an inferior CPU and an inferior video card."

lol dude, inferior??? All I have to say is Killzone 2, Heavy rain and Infamous. Could they be done on another console? No. But they must look like PS2 games to you huh? go figure...

Advanced is a better word to describ the PS3's CPU, memory and maybe video card (unsure about that). Advanced is nessecarily not "better" but harder to develop for. But saying it's inferior is just BS. The only framerate problems i've seen on a console was on my xbox 360 and gamecube. The PS3 has not ever had an issue with frame drops.

@solidsnakus lets make a comparison...
Screen of Cod4
http://blog.al.com/techcete...
Screen of R2
http://bebicorp.com/SonyRum...

Imo Cod4 looks much worse. But saying that R2 looks like a PS2 game is just ignorant.

[solidsnakus]

ohhh shure, comparing cod4 running at a craapy resolution to a doctored screenshot that the resistance team put out. did you see the sony e3 confrence? that resistance demo looked like a complete pile of garbage IMO. the graphics on all the buildings were piss poor spiderman for ps2 style.

now look at your doctored screenshot and compare it to a real screenshot of R2 in action http://talkplaystation.com/...
pretty impressive graphics huh, LOL

[outlawlife]

fanboyism not withstanding, i'm with solid on this one

resistance 2 looks nothing like that screen you posted, it is actually quite unimpressive from the videos of ACTUAL gameplay we have seen

people complain about gears bullshots, resistance is just as bad

the e3 resistance demo wasn't very impressive and didn't get me very excited at all, however the gears demo was pretty much the cats pajamas

[Snukadaman_]

You honestly think this is a real picture ingame??
http://bebicorp.com/SonyRum...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

[Idonthatejustcreate]

Crappy ingame shot? It was taken as a screen dump directly from the 360 console. If your comparing PC to console then sure every game will look better on PC obviously. Anyhow that picture you used came as an Off screen foto with a crappy camera so thats far from what it looks like m8.

@Outlawlife
I dunno what kind of footage you have been looking at but take a look at this =)
http://www.gamersyde.com/st...
It's still offscreen but atleast in HD instead of those Youtube clips.

@Snukadaman_
Nope I don't think so but I just took the first picture I saw from R2 but heres some in-game pics for all three of you. (It's hard to find in-game screen grabs instead of off screen)

http://o.aolcdn.com/gd-medi...
http://i293.photobucket.com...

[ChefDejon]

a playstation exclusive that is pushing graphical boundaries go look at killzone 2. if u want to see a game with decent graphics but has such bomb features as 60 player multiplayer and 8 player online co-op and 2 campaigns look at Resistance 2.

[Bombibomb]

Bruoce is the man (whenever he writes TRUTHFUL articles like this one, at least).

[Avto]

No console has reached its tech limits in two or three years, even if you learn to use 95% of GPUs the other 5% can make a huge difference and I don't think there is a CPU in the world that was exploited to its fullest potential. Take PS2 remember Black this game looks amazing and it runs on PS2, I recall Criteriongames podcast when they said they could right an app that would demonstrate that PS2 is faster than PS3 in some ways, so everything comes to developer.

[thewhoopimen]

I still think Black looks better than the current Wii Conduit lol

[GIJeff]

the ps3's cpu is vastly superior to a pentium quad extreme. But however, running an 8 series nVidia or 3 series ATI will make for better graphics than PS3. The ps3 is using a 7950ish graphics solution, and will never be able to pull off what my 4870 can do. That said, Killzone 2 looks far better than even farcry. And yes, Ive played farcry maxxed out.

[InfiniteUnfloppery]

17 Manor Orchard.

[Peekay]

.

[solidsnakus]

he looks like the grinch with his weird grin

[frey]

Well I just have to say, the reason why the 360 is now reaching it's limit is because they rushed the damn system out. If Microsoft would have waiting another year and ironed out the issues and make hardware that isn't done for in 5 year, the 360 would have curbstomped the ps3 wholly. Microsoft's current plan is to buy out exclusives, as well as cut prices to even cheaper than the wii, but the well will dry and the ps3 will end up making games unplayable on the 360(whether it be due to the lack of space or older parts.). Microsoft might as well release their new system by 2010-2011 or they will lose their momentum.

[power of Green]

I said PS3 had an inferior CPU when I meant GPU.

[gambare]

lol ORLY?

[GameDev]

on both counts moron

[juuken]

...YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE HELL YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

[ps3killin360]

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ps3killin360...

[plain rice]

You define inferior.

[themyk]

if your definition of inferior GPU mean that our exclusives look waaaaay better than your exclusives than your right.

[BigPappaPump]

You should focus on saving the little bubbles you have left instead of sweating a system that you obviously don't own.

[VMAN_01]

POG You obviously do not know anything about hardware do you so stfu and stop sprouting your opinions as facts.

[consolewar]

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[RememberThe357]

I missed it. What was Ironic?

[NowGen]

this coming from someone with all the inside pull. right........

[heyheyhey]

yes, Bruceongames is still a massive idiot though

[Mike134nl]

"although they are near the top, games will continue to get better and better on the 360 over the next few years as developers learn new tricks and wrinkles"

Though what also should be questioned is if games will continue to get bigger or may start reaching their limit in the price/quality aspect which is mentioned in the bonusround (26) of gamtrailers.com

[cooperdnizzle]

Power of Green. You smoke crack. The ps3 beats the 360 in cpu power buddy. And the ps3 is a way better system this is for sure

[NowGen]

do you truly believe that? wayyyyy better? or are you just trying to justify your purchase by bashing another person or persons console of choice?

[Bangladesh]

Imo, the 360 version of Splinter Cell: Double Agent is easily the best looking game released so far this gen, for any console.

[VF34EJ25]

If you think that video with all that clunky animations is the best graphics this gen... then i don't know what to say...

[RememberThe357]

Best graphics this gen? Your really grabbing at straws right now aren't you? Not that it doesn't look good, just not the best.

[Bangladesh]

Why not post a vid of what you think looks better that's on the market, and we will compare them.

I can't wait to see what Conviction is going to look like.

[Idonthatejustcreate]

Then how about this?

http://www.gamersyde.com/le...

Or this?

http://www.gamersyde.com/st...

You can't deny it son ;)

[Bangladesh]

I've got those games, and I've got the 360 version of SCDA. And they are good looking games. I think Splinter looks better, and it does alot more graphically. It's obvious in the video I posted as well. Do you have a 360 and a copy of SCDA?

[thewhoopimen]

That video of yours sucks chuck norris and so does the game. I don't see anything redeeming about the SC. It's solid title for sure, but shadows are flat dark, animations are oblivion level at best (punches and kicks don't even really connect!), framerates are very erratic and nothing stands out. The textures are simplistic compared to newer titles.

[Asher6]

ur saying that u haven't played very many games this gen then? mgs4, uncharted, cod4, even assassins creed are better than splinter cell.

[THE TERMINATOR]

Gears 1 compaired to Gears 2 not a big difference is it? The limit has definatly been reached well I think anyway.

[Droid]

No, but I'd rather have a console capable of doing such a thing, unlike PS3 which sony claim no game will never see full use of.

poor droids

[VMAN_01]

Lol Bangladesh your maybe one year late buddy.

[Kill Crow]

what next, someone is going to blog that 2009 will belong to PS3, or that internest in Nintendo Wii is definitly starting come to an end

and they too will become N4G hot topics ....

Zzzzzzzz

News for 14 year old fan boi's

[batman2million]

Another wonderful topic for people to argue with.

Even if the system has reached its limit, that doesn't mean it can't pull out good games!!

People think power sells! thats not always true!

Wii is the perfect example here!

[frey]

Well considering the 360's only duty in this gen is to fight the ps3(graphic wise, core wise, etc)and not to be a bystander(like nintendo, who decided to go with the Shovelware filled wii) Power needs to sell. Its like the dreamcast, and how it was out early, and said stuff like how DVDs werent needed etc. If Microsoft does not go the new console route early, they should at least have upgrades out, ala n64 with the memory upgrade and other stuff. Sure newer games won't be played without said upgrade, but for those willing to get it, it should be worthwhile.

[SL1M DADDY]

Developers learn new tricks to make a console work smarter, not harder. In the end, the code makes the games better. When a less experienced developer gets a hold of a console they push it to what they would seem to think as the limits but they begin to learn how to optimize their code and make better use of the power they have at their disposal. Perhaps at this time the devs have stressed the 360 but once they optimize their code they will have pulled more goods out of the console they once thought they had maxed out. It's simple folks, and this is something I would not expect Bruce to understand. He is one of the worst editors I have ever read work from... Ever!

[RememberThe357]

God of War II. Remember those horses? That sh*t was amazing.

[VF34EJ25]

Amen to the part about Bruce.

Seriously, every article he writes is pure crap again and again. Why in the world does he need to have a website about "games" when he clearly doesn't know jack crap about them.

[juuken]

1. This Bruceongames is a douchebag.
2. The 360 *is* reaching it's limitations.
3. Expect to see the 720 make it's way around here sooner than you think.

[malben]

I just love how some people just have to sit and try out different headlines for there ability to start a flame. Like "Is the Xbox 360 reaching the limit of its capabilities".. Its so obvious that its almost kind of insulting to us..

[Skynetone]

the fact that halo 4 is hitting the next concole makes me believe that it wont be around long enough to push it to its max

[Firstkn1ghT]

Well lets pick on the first Gears. The first Gears was seen as the best looking game ever at the time. So to those that say the first Gears maxed out the 360 and the sequel is the same. Well here is a quote from the new issue of Game Informer.....

"Once you pick your jaw up off the floor, Gears of War 2 reveals itself as a profound leap forward from its impressive predecessor"

The graphics and gameplay have improved and it shall continue like every other console to date. Remember Doom 3 for the first Xbox??? Chronicles of Riddick???? Both those games came near the end of the Xbox life and completely destroyed everything before it in graphics and gameplay.

[Idonthatejustcreate]

But the fact still remains, Gears 2 uses the same engine as Gears 1 so how much has that to do with advanced technology? can't it just be that they have a better more skilled designer on the team than before?

[CouchKing0]

sucks

Cry more bots! AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[majorsuave]

As with every consoles since the PS1 games will always look better and better on a new console every season. That is rather obvious, you'd have to be rather far from game development to think otherwise.

With games of today that have 2 years or more development cycles, few developers have more than 2 titles already completed on 360, and with every game looking slightly better than the previous, we don't expect to stop seing better results even after the next xbox has shipped.

We are like little monkeys, we always learn new tricks, and it shows in games we ship. Don't expect a current or next gen console to ever show its limits, that is not going to happen.

[kevnb]

we should even discuss, its not as if any of us know the exact architecture of the xbox 360.

[felidae]

well, even the first PS3 exclusives looked way better than anything on the 360, for example Motorstorm, Lair, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Uncharted (still the best looking videogame of all times).

Gears looks good, i think it´s the best looking 360 game but every PS3 exclusive looks better.

[kevnb]

both say hi to Uncharted. Uncharted has some screen tearing and some blurry textures. Don't even mention lair, that game is a visual mess with muddy and poor textures, constant dipping framerates, and horrendous gameplay. The texture mapping of the environments in Lair remind me of N64 style texture mapping, only upscaled.

[WitWolfy]

The 360 is far from its graphic capacity, looks like every PS3 owner forgot that all they're games are ported from the 360 and with only 4 exclusives give or take to complete numberous times.

Ive been on numberous forums and seen every possible arguement of the console wars. Just to see it go into stale mate. You PS3fanboys think your so awesome that you finnaly have a exclusive all to yourself (thank God hideo kept his word, now i didnt pay $500 for nothing)

You guys dont see us moaning or braging about games you guys will never have, Mass Effect, GeoW 2, Alan Wake, Forza series, Ninja Gaiden , Too human ....the list continues.

I tottaly agree on the coding part of the scenario though, Keep in mind games might get better but compression methods improve more everyday so it will be long before the compression or coding method cease to work for a standard DVD 9 aswel.

Easy just to lay down your cards and say yeah your console sucks. But face it chum. You have the same games i have on my console with the same frame rate and same stamp. PWND

A proud X360 owner

[LiquifiedArt]

Mass Effect: Crap (PC)
GeoW 2: Overrated (PC)
Alan Wake: Guarenteed Crap (PC)
Forza: GT5?
Ninja Gaiden: Good Game (PS3 Next Year watch..)
Too human: Crap (PC)

[tudors]

Gears of war 2 looks better than Killzone 2 graphically but KZ2 has better animation and therfore looks more realistic....

Make of that comment what you will but both the PS3 and the Xbox-360 should have plenty left, e.g. if we ever get a nextgen Zelda on either console (which we will not) then I am sure Mr. Miyamoto (is that how you spell it) would wow us, we tend to forget about artistic direction which can really make a difference, I am sure we will see a lot more out of both.

[kevnb]

but zelda on the wii looks pretty bad. Mario Galaxy looks good, but nothing that left anybody in awe.

[GIJeff]

surely havent seen killzone2 in action.

[VMAN_01]

Its funny because Uncharted, Gran Turismo, Heavenly Sword, Ratchet and Clank, Killzone 2, Heavy Rain, Motorstorm 2 and Little Big Planet all look better than what the 360 offers.

[HelghastGeneral]

There has not been a game that looks better than gears of war for 360 that was the maximum it can do. The step up from gow to gow2 is like halo to halo 2 and they really can not push it further. Keep reducing the price Microsoft your console is dying just like hd dvd.

[ceedubya9]

If we're talking about graphical limit, I don't think its their yet. Its up to the developers to take advantage of the consoles abilities and make better looking games. We'll only see this from first party studios and some 3rd parties.

The problem is, despite a few standout titles, a lot of the 360s 1st party games aren't really going that extra mile on the graphics end. I don't believe its because it wasn't possible, but more so that the developers didn't take the time to do it, and rely on too much middleware instead crafting their own masterpiece.

[Jdoki]

It's a proven that games get graphically better over the life of a console. Why we need an article telling us this, I dunno.

When Gears 1 launched Epic said they had maxed out the 360, now they are saying it again. In a few years time (if MS don't can the 360 early) I'm sure Epic will be saying it yet AGAIN.

Of course a developer will say they have maxed out a console... It makes it sound like the game they are about to launch is that much more uber!

Both PS3 and 360 have plenty of headroom left - it's the beauty of having a standard fixed platform for development.

[ceedubya9]

Well said.

[GIJeff]

just continue to shorten the draw distance with fog. Although, in 3 more years gears will just be fog with the back of that low poly main characters head.

[arngrim229]

games like mgs4 and ff13 versus have far more detail and visual styles, whethr its the cpu or just disc space the best looking game on 360 is the gears series and it doesnt look that amazing as when it first was released. gears 2 looks almost the same but slight more polish.

i dont think we will see huge differences like we did with ps1 and ps2 ff7 compared to ff9 and so on, the 360 wasnt made future proof, thats why they r working on the phoenix right now, either way 360 will still have a good run as long as the games r fun

[Jdoki]

I'll have to respectfully disagree with you. :)

Gears 2 may not be a huge leap in terms of texture/lighting etc. But it is (as you said) more polished, and where it makes a BIG leap is the amount happening on screen. The number of enemies looks much increased - and to me that's a massive improvement in graphics.

I've not seen enough of FFXIIIversus to make a comment on that, but considering how great FFXIII looks, and it'll be on both PS3 and 360 I'm not convinced we've seen the 360 reach it's peak yet.

I do think that the PS3 has a lot more headroom than the 360, but again, that remains to be seen (I've not been disappointed in the graphics of either system!). It seems obvious to me that MS are going to launch the Next Xbox way before the PS4, so I would suspect that the final PS3 games will end up looking significantly better than the final 360 games.

[GIJeff]

heavenly sword has thousands...

[ROCCOZILLA]

time has caught up with the GeOW2 BOX....its over.PLAY B3YOND waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay B3YOND!!!

[Strife Lives]

Yes in deed. Stupid. Proof? sony playstation 2. 32mb ram. 32mb graphics card.look at games made in 2004. 4 years after release. And 2008. 8 years after release.shocking,that GT4 etc even runs with that limited resources.

[Funky Town_TX]

maybe dev will focus on AI now. I hate playing games with great graphics and brain dead AI. I have yet to see true AI (artificial intelligence). It has been more like ADA (artificial dumb a$$). I think that with games like Far Cry 2 coming the 360 can grow GFX wise.

[InMyOpinion]

Are developers reaching their limit of coming up with new techniques that make for better graphics?

[IAmPLAYSTATION 3]

I am a sexy b1tch!

[Sitdown]

who cares? Does anybody think that LBP is pushing the ps3 to its limits? Wii sports to the Wii's limits? Halo 3 to 360's limits? This remind me of the old battles of how many polygons a system can push...then it gets to the point where that no longer matters and you have to move on to something else to compare. In my opinion..graphics have evolved enough for me.....I named the three games above, because it is their gameplay that made them great sellers, and will make them great sellers. There are reasons why people still play tecmo bowl, mario 1, 2, 3, infinite, and such other throw back titles..........its the fun factor...and I believe all the systems still have enough resources to make sure there is tons of fun....if the developers choose to utilize it. Prime example....look at all the play some of the most simple games on xbla, vc, and psn get....and by no means are they pushing any console to its limits.

Besides, look at Madden......each year, and for every console they are atleast able to come up with something to show that their is still a little juice in a console.....didn't they even release Madden this year on the original xbox?

[InMyOpinion]

Spot on. Bubbles!

[zonetrooper5]

Are we not confusing the Unreal Engine 3 with maxing out with the 360 maxing out?

[ceedubya9]

a lot of people are doing that, sadly.

[SpartanZero]

http://www.xbox365.com/news...

http://www.gamepro.com/arti...

[silverchode]

stories from 2005, 2006 lol.

[RAM MAGNUMS]

it was all good when the ps3 & the wii were delayed to launch for a entire year.
2007 was pretty good too.
but, ps3 is baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaacccccccc ccccckkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!
sorry xbox lovers did you think you had a chance with a crummy DVD player?
its not about personal preference. You NEED a ps3. When October & November
rolls around nobody will be talking xbox or xbox live anymore except the poor bastards
who are misinformed & left behind. Xbox live is a ghost town. Unreal engine will still load
textures before your eyes. Halo will be the same game you've been playing for a decade.
I'm so happy that xbots are sad depressed & hopeless. It makes me feel good to know
that when you have a xbox360 you always lose when it game over. Serves you punks
right for pumping nickels dimes & dollars into a console that breaks your heart & let's you
down. Go suck yourself toolboxes!

[DFresh]

In a way yeah.
Cliffs b even admitted that gears of war 2 was pushing the 360 to the limits.
Then again I think Alan Wake is pushing the 360 to the fullest.
It comes down to the new engines you build and the formats you use to make that game.
DVD's are not enough anymore.
Sony however planned for the long run and that's what Microsoft lacks.

[chfthnder26]

a storage format does not mean how powerful a platform is if devs wanted they could do like some r doing and put the extra content on xbox live to download

[chfthnder26]

its funny how sony fanboys talk crap about the 360 when it only came out a year earlier but it has twice as many games as the ps3 also why is it that the 360 is the more favored system to develop on trust me if it had an hddvd drive in it for developing games the ps3 would be so dead i mean it isnt far from it right now dont get me wrong the blu ray drive really gives devs room to develop but even then the games really dont look any better if at all the only really graphicly impressive games are killzone2 mgs4 maybe and gt5 and to compare gears1 to gears2 and say its not really all that better is just stupid a sequal doesnt have to have better graphics to be considered a true sequal even epic has said the game looks better than gears1

[cemelc]

Yeah but let me remind you that every xbox 360 game is on pc or making its way to it, the ones that are not in the making for pc is cos they are crap.

The 360 have already reach its limits you want prof of it?? they cant make a decent next gen Rpg its plagued with all the problems the ps2 had due to hardware limitations, and that is just sad.

Gears of War 2 looks exactly the same as the first one and in some webpages they say the textures looks worse than the first one, so cliffy could talk his @ss of saying that the game looks better(be honest there is no dev in this world that is going to say the game looks the same as the first one), but reality its reality.

[Re-versed]

sorry buddy but uncharted has the best grafix this gen...until now i mean....fact!

[kevnb]

so uncharted looks better than Crysis and MGS4 now? What have you been smoking.

[CR7JUVE1897]

Does it state ANYTHING about the PS3???

I must have missed that paragraph.

If anyone thinks that the 360 is at the top of its development curve, then do me a favour and give me the number of your drug dealer.

If there is one system, and company that has PROVEN that games continue to look amazing after their so called peak, Its Sony and the PS1 and PS2, and it will happen again with the PS3. And yes, the original XBOX did the same.

Fanboyism is not good for the enviroment, you know. All the hot air that spews skyward is not good for the ozone

[DJ]

It simply wasn't out long enough.

[Ozzyb]

Yea, that was bull. I would have played the Xbox longer if they hadn't put a bullet in its head the second the 360 came out. I really had fun with the original Xbox. Now I wonder what it really could have done, if pushed to its maximum.

[DJ]

I was pissed when they dropped support.

[Wii60Fan]

Another Crappy blog by some guy who thinks he is a journalist.

[NoahFex]

Where it now seems that Microsoft has started reaching it's plateau with the 360, Sony is just starting to stratch the surface of what the PS3 has to offer in terms of capabilities.

I, for one, am sure glad I have a PS3 and will be there for the amazing ride that is sure to come with the PS3. Have fun with your 360, though..fanboys!

[DJ]

360 titles will continue to improve, but at a very incremental rate, as we've been seeing for the past few years. The disc drive and memory layout are the main culprits.

[deadie]

yup - it has reached its limit alright.

time to release something "next-gen" now maybe?

[The-Only-Truth]

"Is N4G reaching its limit of repeating the same news/articles over and over again?"

[bamyrick226]

who gives a $hit, if there making great games, let them be. or if you want to go nex-gen, you could always go get a ps3. a bit more expensive, but you get so much more out of it as well as the hardware barely being touched yet. i know, i know,here come the your a fanboy crap, but im accually playing too human on my 360 right now trying to see what all the fuss was about.

[ASSASSYN 36o]

Cry me a river we xbox gamers are still buying games. Nobody cared when the dreamcast reached it's limits because it wasn't a threat to another console. But the 360 is so everyone breaks out these oh no it's the end articles.

Who cares if there is a limit. If games keep coming I keep buying them. My limit is the next xbox console thats when the 360 hits it's so called limit for me.

[asyouburn]

it all seems so stupid. who cares if ps3's grphx suck, or 360 sucks. ps2 had crappier grphx last gen, but i still played it more than my xbox. in the end it doesn't make a damn bit of difference. it'd be like an article talking about snes vs genesis. everyone would be like, who cares? in five years it wont matter in the least when new ones are out. if you like your console, great. play it. its just games for godsakes

[ChickeyCantor]

Have a bubs.

[ChickeyCantor]

Ps2 needed loads of years to be actually tweaked to the max.
It's just how efficient the developers are going to work.

But -mai gawd- does it really matter?
Games coming out for it looks good.

[Dyingduck]

should stay away from next generation...

I want to see real battles:

SONY VS NINTENDO...please no more Crapbox720 vs. PS3
Or Crapbox1080 vs. PS3 still...

[BLuKhaos]

c'mon you know you want to see Sony PWN MS one more time,andand while they fight more games for us all.

[nan0]

All I have to say is, time will tell. They're already saying "exclusives don't matter" next it'll be "game quality doesn't matter, just get an xbox and stfu"

[Citizen Cook]

The 360 has years lef in the old dog yet. All the same, i'd like the Xbox 720 ASAP please M$!

I dying to give you more of my hard earned money!

[8BitSoul]

I think the 360 has a couple of years left. A few tweaks and minor upgrades to the Unreal Engine will most definetly happen over the next years, but no major changes in graphical power.

[SpartanZero]

Xbox fu**in won the console wars already you dumb droids lol

[deadie]

are you serious?

xbox hasnt won anything as of yet.

gc and xbox lost the last gen to ps2, and this gen
wii is dominating over xbox & ps3.

xbox hasnt won anything - at all.

[silverchode]

too many rrods cause brain damage. give him a cookie.
http://amygrant.files.wordp...

[ApocalypseShadow]

we all know this is true.but the question is:

has 360 reached it limit on its capabilities?

YES!

doesn't matter if you love your 360 or think it has great games.ps3 has a HIGHER limit it can reach over 360.that's just truth.and not one 360 fan could disagree with facts unless you just want to hit disagree because of spite.

the only reason most ps3 games aren't going beyond 360 is because of:

1)multiplatform game developers
2)the amount of 360s on the market
3)ease of development
4)cost to do it

but when you look at exclusives coming out of sony or MGS4 by konami,there is a distinct difference.more cars,more objects,more physics,more animation,more lighting,etc.you can't compare an 8 car game running at 720p/60fps to a game that has 16 cars and runs at 1080p/60fps.or games like killzone2 that just looks hectic.or uncharted for animation.exclusives show why 360 is inferior.not in "fun",but in "ability."

the only thing that holds back ps3 is cost.it costs more to make 360 look like xbox 1.5 with ps3 games.here's my example of how one game can run RINGS around 360.and i want someone to try to disagree......

i'm a developer.i'm making a football game.(and remember,i can apply this to all ps3 games)i have a choice to make the game on 360(a) and ps3(b).

a)with 360,i can make great looking fields,teams,sound,animation,c ommentary,etc.and then try to fit it all on ONE disc.because there has never been a football game spread out on multiple discs.this ONE disc can only hold so much information before i have to call it quits and stop creating.not a bad game,but it has reached a limit because of dvd-9.doesn't matter how much compression,if i used the same compression techniques on both systems,i would still have more room on ps3 and bluray.

b)now i'm making the same game on ps3.but i have no limit on space that i can use.i can put it on a 25gig disc.i can put it on a 50gig disc like MGS4.and soon,i could put it on any higher capacity disc that ps3 can support.now how will my game be different?

1)i could put more stadiums on the disc.
2)i could put more animations on the disc.
3)i could put more sound if i kept it at the same sound quality as 360.but not only that....
4)i could put commentators for sunday night football,monday night football,saturday football.i could even mix and match the color commentators just by adding different names,phrases,etc.,so that it seems that they are sitting together like dan stevens and peter okeef of nfl 2k5 fame.i could have pro bowl commentators too.
5)i could fit more stadium chatter.
6)more cut scenes
7)i could put a story arc on the disc like nba09 the show
8)i could put fantasty stuff in there like zombie players,dinosuars,monkeys,etc.

still got room.remember,bluray holds many times the space as a dvd.THAT'S FACT!

9)not only that,i could put a trivia game on the disc and have video(dvd quality-remember,i'm keeping the levels the same.and not doing HD video.)from past great football games and you have to guess how the game played out.show past greats and you have to name the right player.

i could keep going,but as you can see,with bluray,i could make a game BIGGER,BETTER and more BAD@SS than the 360 counterpart.cost is my only barrier.but i could make every game outdo the 360 version because i can put more on disc.

i'm not saying you can't have fun with 360.not saying it doesn't have good graphics.but to believe that a 360 game could ever match a "TRUE" ps3 game is just being "DELUSIONAL."

that's just the truth.the systems may have similar graphics,but it ends when it comes down on what i could do as a dev for both systems.

360 has a limit because of dvd-9.but ps3 has no limits being that bluray disc size is upgradeable.and sony is showing in their inhouse games why this is fact.it's why we have to wait longer.because more can be done if price is not a factor.

let's see someone counter this.

apocalypse.......

[Guitarded]

But the Sony freaks have reached their peak. It's all downhill for you little boys now. Suckers!

[PS360PCROCKS]

No.

[tudors]

you should write fiction.

[Enigma_2099]

... but even if this is true, that doesn't mean that there isn't anything left in the system. It's still capable of good games... and I can actually cite the PS2 as proof of this... been around for how long and STILL crankin' out the hits...

...but it doesn't seem as if the PS3 has reached that point in it's lifespan, does it? But when it does, my god... just imagine what the games will be like...

[ApocalypseShadow]

you're the ones that are fooling yourselves.thinking that the same game with the same textures and the same sound level will come out the same if i have more space to fill on the ps3 version.

and i'm not suprised by you ps360wiirocks or tudors.

you've been in denial and won't admit the truth just like other 360 fans.

you're telling everyone here that if i made a game on dvd-9 that holds only about 7.5 or so gigs and i made a game on bluray that holds

25gigs
50gigs
100 gigs or more

that both games would turn out the same?

you guys are freakin dumb to think that is true.

memory size is not holding back ps3
cell is not holding back ps3
rsx is not holding back ps3

it's either multiplatform devs who want to keep the games the same or the cost to make it blow the 360 version out the water.

i knew i was talking to some fools,but you got to be kidding me.

every game on ps3 could destroy any 360 version if it was exclusive and made from the ground up to fill up the bluray disc.

you can say,"put it on a second disc."you could say,"download the extra stuff on the hard drive."

but even then,ps3 could still outdo the 360.

i've seen denial,but you guys take the cake in lying to yourselves.

it's sad enough that you guys have had to backpeddle on

hdmi
1080p
larger hard drives
game installs
easier xmb guis
most console sales
getting outsold in america by both sony and nintenedo

but WOW! you would rather sink with the ship than admit the truth.

so sad....

apocalypse...........

[lewis]

microsoft is stupid.

[hazardman]

Hey I'm ok with games looking as good as Gears or Bioshock..if thats the best X360 has to offer. Even if it has reached it's limit I'll still be buying games for it..

@Idonthatejustcreate..I think Heavy rain and Infamous can both be done on the X360..Its like when people were saying Gears couldn't be done on PS3 but we all know that was BS..anyways I'm puffing that good kush..counting all my disagrees..and also this site hates the X360..its run by PS3 fanboys...

[Bladeslayer]

their no where near tapping out the potential of the 360 yet?

[joeynox]

I dont think its reach its limit for games today but epic did say that on the games in 2 or 3 years you will see the the limit reached.As for as games not passing gears and bioshock ,I dont think its the 360 but more of the devs.You can say the same for the ps3 right now because just about every game is a multiplat game.But if the 360 does hit the ceiling in 2 years than that falls in line with the 5yr plan.Im happy with a new xbox in 2010.

[Cynical-Gamerzus]

The PC Box 360 reached its limit when it was released.
That sad fact is as soon as the next Gen PC Video cards came out after the ATI XENOS was made;THis became a sure indicator that when they made this hardware,
they made it way too PC like!
and like all PC video cards,they become maxed out every 6 to 12 months and on to the next GPU card!!!!
we have already the 3rd versions of the ATI cards after Xenos.That are beyond 100GB per sec Bandwidth!!!!
Now we all know the 360 cant do Hi -Def so whats the point when you can have a PC with super HD HDMI or VGA out.I have an old ATI card in my PC that smokes the 360 with Halo2 and Gears in hi-def!!it cost me 100 bucks!!

DUH

[joeynox]

your wrong.The xbox game into the gaming market as a new console by a hated american company and it was going up against a powerhouse ps2 and nintendo. The xbox with its live grabbed a big portion of sony only gamers. Now its safe to assume most gamers will buy both consoles which is great "I have both" so the xbox was able to get into sony's market and sell its machine as a "hardcore" gaming console and it has done a great job of that.

[deadie]

oh so im wrong?

im talking about whats considered "winning" here and that my friend is:

sales numbers and profit.

You seem to suggest ms had a 100% oh-no-dont-sell-well winning strategy right from the get go huh?

[jlemdon]

while some games like Mercanaries 2 look a lil better on ps3 due to DVD vs Blu-ray. I still think non has reached the limit yet.

Then again Ps3 games look washed out compared to 360.

[deno]

I wonder if sony bleaches them?

[THE TERMINATOR]

Funny u should say that because u did the same to me. U sent me a racist private message and then blocked me after. Please dont hide behind your computer like a rat and spread that filth u hypocrite.

[air1]

what is it with you ppl? even if it has reached its limits in the graphics so what?! bioshock, cod4, gears they all look great i can deal with those graphics till the next box. just keep giving me good games with great gameplay, thats someting you sony fanatics forgot about this gen "GAMEPLAY" all the sudden you fanatics are a bunch of graphics whore this gen but didnt care that the ps2 was the weaker console last gen you didnt care that the xbox had a hdd built in you didnt care that it had the better graphics you didnt care for online play.

[Sunny_D]

YES HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA THE CRAPFIX ME HAS REACHED ITS LIMITS WITH VIVA GAYNATA\. THE BEST LOOKING 3FIXME GAME!! EVER!!! FACT HAHAHAHA XBOTS GOT OWNED

[deno]

Graphics do not make a game. I just purchased a sega saturn to crave my 2D habits. I got my sega saturn with earthworm jim 2, rayman, nights, megaman x4, shinobi. I still play my genesis, turbogrfx, snes

[supremacy]

this is funny.

i think N4G killed Aries to become the new god of war and not kratos, why?

i mean just take a look at all the arguments here over hardware that were made to become obsolete in the first place.

its going to get to the point where graphics wont even matter as much anymore, and the only thing people will than start talking about are going to be things like physics, A.I, and Length.

you all wait and see, its going to be one crazy future i tell you that much.

[tk]

In general the PS3 has a bit more under the hood... but it would not mean better graphics if you mean poly count and pixel pushing power.

XB360 will suffer due to storage issues... PS3 will have a bit of advantage - OK, a lot as this gen progresses... but... to say the XB360 has reached its limit... erm how does one say it again? Crap! Neither machine or the Wii or PS2 has reached their limits yet.

[Naked-Snake]

Us sony fanatics forgot gameplay? lol Bioshock and CoD4 are on the PS3, THEY are not 360 exclusives douchebag.

[dan88123]

Gears of War

[jerethdagryphon]

niether machine is anyware close to there computational limits

as those reside in the hundreds of gigaflops

fyi average pcs not gpus manage about 10gigaflops

gpus work sottaly differnt and are much higher on gigaflops

yes pc games can be displayed in much higher resolutions

BECAUSE MONITERS SUPPORT THEM
1080p one thousand eigthy pixals
it equates to 1024x768 about

graphically you cant compare pc to console
pc wins always
why do you think theres an 8 gig instal on games everything is compressed and then extracted and run uncompressed

consoles like the 360 and even the ps3
rely on data streaming to move data in and out of there ram
but its much simpler
until the xbox
games were written in tottally different code bases
and thats why they were able to work as they did

no the 360 isnt getting maxed out

no the ps3 isnt anywhere near its limits

both machines are very good at what they do

however the following is a fact.

3 cores 2 threads per core = 6 threads

cell 1 ppe 6 spe = 8 threads

i hate these flame wars and arguments they annoy me immensly
stop bringing pcs into it its like comparing a biplane to a ford mustang

its not a viable comparison

[air1]

hey idiot you do not have bio yet and i never said it wasnt on the ps3 i said i would be happy with those graphics till the next box. i swear, i think that cell thing is fukin up these kids brains. that sh!t is worse then crack.

[dan88123]

The cell is what powers the fastest computer on earth.

[air1]

so? it seems to not do much for the ps3. the 360 has no cell but yet keeps up with the ps3 it's not like last gen how the ps2 looked like as@ next to the xbox.

seems like the ps3 can do eveything. but leaves the main thing out games. hw could you ppl be happy with 1 game for the whole summer? what kills it is that sony has more studios than micro and ninty combined. the ps3 got raped in the arcdae games in the past 2 months.
............................. ..........................

im tired of answereing what is out for the 360. if you dont know look it up at 1up.com. you know, it's crazy how you ppl hat the 360 so much but have no clue as to what it offers.

[BLuKhaos]

better to have one solid game than to have a summer stuffed with flops.

[dan88123]

Mgs4 was a great game. What exclusive game came out this summer for the 360

[BLuKhaos]

oh man are you serious? we got Flop Human,Flop Pinata,Tales of Flop,and Infinite Unfloppery. All hail the mighty RRODbox! lol but on a serious note they did get Braid.

[Trekster_Gamer]

If the XBOX 360 has peaked with the limits of it's hardware then so be it. There are sooooo many quality titles out there and soooo many coming that I am not sure I will be able to play them all before the next XBOX incarnation comes along.

I have only had my 360 since December and before that I had really only been a hardcore PC gamer, I don't hardly touch the PC now except for the area that ALL CONSOLES are lacking that being RTS. If they would just make a mouse a standard on consoles then the consoles would do a 1000 times better in sales.

[gumgum99]

Bruce on games is ^_^

[GUNS N SWORDS]

taking full advantage of the hardware is up to the developers.

i would really love to see how FF13 turns out on 360

http://ps3.ign.com/dor/obje...

considering that it's being developed on ps3 hardware, this will give me a chance to see how the versions of both games stack up.

even SONY them selves say that 360 will benefit from games that are developed on ps3.
http://www.psxextreme.com/p...

as for this article, once gears2 and FF13 both come out I'll be making my own final assessment, which will no doubt over wright this guy's assessment.

[Allowen]

Any VG reaches its limit some day but a good console can last a long time if games continue to come to the machine.

Just look at a PS2,it reached its limit like 4-5 years ago but it keeps selling consoles and games and it is on the market for what,10 years almost?

Ok,the PS3 can make better games then an xbox360 but not much better so if MS keep bringing good games to their console it will continue selling.The Wii is doing well so why xbox360 can't do it as well?Just forget about a hardcore fight against Sony and make some thing different and it will easily last 2-3 more years.

[kyleg]

both the 360 and the PS3 have reached the limit the CPU and GPU are so easy to max out and the developers can max out it so easy because they got access to adjust everything like a computer game you can change all the settings so i know they have max both of them out, its up to the developers to optimize it.
people don't know a lot about the PS3 and 360 and the PS3 has better ram it runs at 3.2ghz but it only has 256MB so making it sux some times and the 360 has 512MB making it good there but its runs at 800mhz making it slow and the 360 has shared ram and i think shared ram sux balls its bad,so that makes the PS3 better because it has dedicated memory so it wins for ram. i will talk about the CPU and GPU later. lolol

[Naked-Snake]

Braid? a XBLA game? if we're gonna talk about PSN games i may never stop.

[redsnake]

im in different but i think it is reaching its max not because im a fan boy or anything just because theyre devolping halo 4 for the next console instead of this 1.

[Lakuspakus]

The hardware itself has been running 100% all the time. Thats it's purpose. The Unreal Engine 3 engine on the other hand, has to utilize those 100% as good as it can. Lets say Gears 1 used 80% of the hardwares 100% (I'm just making up numbers), and with the newly updated Unreal Engine 3 (3,1) Gears 1 would run with only 60%. This is because Epic updated their engine with more effective code, that can fit more in the same space.

Good developers dont stop because of Hardware. They just tweak their code until it fits. Look at PS2. The machine is ten years old and still produces good looking games. Can anyone give me an actual answer as to why 360 couldt do the same?

Please no fanboy crap, we're all tired of it.