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Gran Turismo Creator: “The Age of the PS3 for Us Was Sort of a Nightmare” Due to Limitations

Kazunori Yamauchi comments on Gran Turismo Sport's numberless title, calls the PS3 era "a nightmare," and outlines his ambitious plans for the future of the franchise.

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corroios2885d ago

Kazunori Yamauchi you need a much bigger team and work much faster.

WickedLester2884d ago

Agreed. While I have no doubt PS3 was a bear to work with, it didn't seem to stop teams like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Sucker Punch, Evolution Studios, or Media Molecule from producing great games in a reasonable amount of time.

Bansai2884d ago

A poor craftsman blames his tools. I'm sorry but GT Sport so far didn't dazzle me despite much fewer hardware restrictions, if anything, I'm disappointed with less features (no dynamic weather/time). If ND, SP, ES or Santa Monica could make great games with awesome graphics in a fair amount of time, I don't see a valid reason why you couldn't.

Dee_912884d ago (Edited 2884d ago )

@Bansai
@WickedLester
PD weren't able to do everything they wanted to do with the ps3 and still created great games. I'm sure if you asked ND, SP, ES or Santa Monica or whoever if they were able to do everything they wanted to do on ps3 their answer would be the same as Kaz.
It took PD the average time to develop GT5, which is 5 years.

freshslicepizza2884d ago

he does have a bigger team. the original team only had 15 people, now they have 130. what they need is a proper project manager because these guys waste a lot of time.

they also expressed how powerful the ps3 was,

http://www.geek.com/games/g...

they say this every generation about how the new hardware is so powerful but in reality the ps4 will also limit their ability to do what they want. but i do agree the complexity of the ps3 was not exactly a developers best friend. good to see sony finally listened and stopped the propreitary hardware crap.

Livecustoms2884d ago

Exactly ND made UC1, UC2 and UC3 in the space of 6 years !!

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otherZinc2884d ago

@Kazunori Yamauchi,

Is Gran Turismo Sport 1080p 60fps Locked, or not?

And please, "A Real Racing Digital License"? Please stop with the gemmicks.

badz1492884d ago

A nightmare yet they produced a stunning looking game in GT5 and GT6. Can't wait for GTS

Ysmir67232884d ago

Compare them to pc games of that time,especially 2011.Stunning will become trash.

Kleptic2884d ago

yeah, nothing came close to GT5's photo modes w/ premium cars in 2010....nothing...People always talk about PC racers from then, never once did I see anything backed up. The amount of time spent on each premium car was outrageous, and the attention to detail was unmatched...

but...that was one component of a bigger game...GT5 often looked like a ps2 game when actually being 'played'. Some of the recycled tracks were laughably low res, other 'new' ones were great. Premium cars looked great on track, non-premium were hideous.

Overall it was such a hybrid of incredible and lame visuals all wrapped up in a single title. But, again, when GT5 showed off, it was well ahead of any racing game 6 years ago.

badz1492884d ago

LOL

you can't even name 1!

Kleptic2883d ago

^yep, that is ALWAYS the response in a discussion such as this.

GT5's better visual portions transcend any notion of subjectivity. Absolutely no other racing game in 2010, on any platform, could visuall recreate what GT5 did within its photo modes and on specific tracks with specific cars...the caveat was that when it couldn't match that, it fell well below even bad racing game visuals for the time.

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RememberThe3572884d ago

Can I ask why? I've been a huge GT fan for years but I can't get excited for GTS. I guess I fail to see the point of it. An online racing sim with no dynamic weather or damage? We get far less game on easier hardware for the same price. Why?

badz1492884d ago

I'm excited for GTS because I bought myself a G29 earlier this year and I've enjoyed using it a lot in Driveclub. I bought GT6 for cheap but I don't know why my wheel could not work for it no matter how I tried and I just gave up trying. now with GTS, I can finally use my G29 again. and I like what I've seen so far.

and for those saying GTS looks like a PS3 game, I know straight away they are trolling because for some of them Forza 6 looks "amazing"! I've played Forza 6 Apex on my R9 390 PC and I honestly think DC looks better. I don't think the xbone version looks any better than the one on my PC and if THAT is "amazing" for them, GTS which looks just as good or even better is definitely "amazing" too.

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Gaming4Life19812884d ago

That is a bulshit excuse im sorry.

Aloy-Boyfriend2884d ago

PS3 was a nightmare for many devs, so I give him the benefit

Obscure_Observer2884d ago (Edited 2884d ago )

@XiKurapikaKurta

It wasn´t for Naughty Dog, Quantic Dream, Santa Monica and many others. This guy is full of it, arrogant and hypocrite.

GT Sports has yet to show day/night circles, weather, enhanced I.A, sound engines, damage (Aesthetics and mechanical) as it is now GT Sport can´t even maintain consistent 60fps according Digital Foundry.

IMO Sony should replace Kaz Yamauchi with Paul Rutchzinsk for the good and evolution (no pun intended) of the Gran Turismo series.

_-EDMIX-_2884d ago

@obscure- it was a nightmare for every developer that had to work on it simply because of the complex proprietary architecture.

I have no clue what you're trying to prove either as many of those teams being owned by Sony will not outright State how confusing and difficult their development process was due to that strange architecture.

Too many high-profile developers have come out and talked about the difficulties they had developing on that platform it's actually why PlayStation 4 uses x86.

From kazunori to Kojima to rock stars Dan and Sam Houser to John Carmack to Gabe Newell from valve etc.

I'm sorry but it's so well documented by so many Developers that it's extremely difficult to try to spin it into anything other than bad design.

You would have to be a complete idiot to try to honestly spin it to where it was just claims by baseless Developers many of the developers that commented on the difficult architecture are some of the highest most respected developers in the industry today.

You only know of the result of those games you do not know of the team's difficulty at the end of the day look at Uncharted 4.

Does Uncharted 4 look like the team had a difficult time? That's arguably one of naughty dog's greatest looking games they've ever worked on.

Yet the Uncharted series last generation and the last of us are all amazing looking games the point I'm making is you'll never be able to actually tell the team's difficulty on any platform based on the result. The results only tells you they created an amazing game it does not tell you if it was more difficult or less difficult.

It's not as if you could tell between Uncharted 3 and Uncharted 4 if the team had an easier or more difficult time at the end of the day why hinder the developer from achieving the same result?

Mind you before you jump to any conclusions I own a launch PlayStation 3 and own a launch PlayStation 4 and I'm telling you it was very much well documented that PlayStation 3 had a very difficult architecture for most developers even amongst the best consider games like the crew even skipped the PlayStation 3 in favor of the 360 simply because of the more demanding and expensive architecture

Sunny_D2884d ago

Honestly if GT5 with its 1000+ cars was being made for the PS4 with its easy developing, I think PD may have been able to achieve premium on all the cars or most of them unlike what we had for the PS3. But, either way I still enjoyed GT5 for its time. I just can't wait to see more of GT Sport and perhaps GT7 hopefully within this console generation.

Tobsesan2884d ago

What held them back to make all 1000 cars permium on PS3?

Sunny_D2884d ago

@Tobesan

Long development times and difficulty developing on PS3.

_-EDMIX-_2884d ago

Excuse? So kazunori, Kojima, Rockstar Valve , John Carmack are all just lying?

😂😂😂&# 128514;😂

Sure bud. How many PlayStation 3 games did you make? I'll wait.

Obscure_Observer2883d ago

Edmix, let me clarify some things for you.

First, i didn´t said that it was easy to develop on the ps3. But, "nightmare due to limitations"? Coming from him this is an anti-ethical message at best. For me? This is downright hyperbolic BS!

And yea, i remember back in the day when Newell call the ps3 "A Total Disaster" and how things turn out for him and his crew. He had come out public and apologizes to the playstation community stating that they did a poor job with the ps3´s Orange Box. Oh yes do you remember him on Sony´s E3 2010 press conference? What he said about the ps3 version of Portal 2? "Best version on any console." Nuff said.

Kojima? No offence. The guy is a genius but he is also a loud mouth. I remember him crying about the "lack of power" of the ps3 during the develop of Metal Gear Solid 5 and yet he was able to deliver Fox Engine´s Phantom Pain to ps3 which, compared to the ps4´s version, one can tell that aside the resolution, you can´t barely see a difference. I also remember when he got "depresed" after seeing GTA V running on ps3 when he compare it with Phantom Pain.

Naughty Dog? Uncharted is the most critically acclaimed series from Sony. The first one was released only a year before the ps3´s debut and the develop time between the three sequences was only 2 years. And don´t forget The Last of Us that was released 2 years after Drake's Deception. Uncharted 4 took 3 years to be developed to ps4 after multiples delays and yet it fails to deliver propper 1080p 60fps for both SP and MP experiences.

You see? You came out defending those LAZY devs BS agenda. I´d brought you FACTS.

I lOVE Racing games! Been gaming since my younger days on Atari´s Enduro. The original GT rock my world! Whitout GT we´ll never get FORZA and some many others great racing games.

It saddens me but unfortanelly, IMO Yamauchi no longer represents the vision of Gran Turismo. THE REAL DRIVING SIMULATOR

_-EDMIX-_2883d ago

I'm sorry buddy but you're not really helping your point by just trying to pick apart every single developer that had made comments regarding the architecture clearly the comments were enough for Sony to intervene with their own engineers and enough for them to actually make PlayStation 4 completely different in its architecture.

Mind you buddy, look at my comments I love PlayStation more than the next guy but I'm not going to lie and disregard clear evidence that suggests this was on Sony's part especially since the company itself outright States the architecture it was difficult.

So you're lying for a company that even admits the architecture had issues? O_o?

Mind you valve came out and apologized because Sony sent Engineers to assist them , that doesn't mean Sony wasn't in the wrong and it's clear they took careful consideration from what that company stated and made Playstation 4 differently. stop looking up the outcome of something to justify the bad architecture they might have apologized but they still had great reason to address such an issue had they had never made those comments Sony might have never considered changing the architecture to help all Developers.

The best version of a game does not mean it was the best development it simply means it's the best version so exactly why are you trying to make the ends justify the means? 😂😂😂

Did you think that type of idiotic rhetoric was going somehow justify the architecture design?

I would never call kazunori a lazy developer he's up there with one of the greatest Minds to Pioneer a gaming concept..

You're bringing up naughty dog as if because they made great games on PlayStation 3 to somehow suggest they had no issues with its architecture once again why are you trying to make the ends justify the means? As if because the result was a great game then they had no issue with its architecture lol

The results do not tell you if the development was easy or not merely tells you the results.....

If I told you to bake a cake using a very limited number of ingredients and giving you a difficult time frame the reality is you could probably still bake a cake that doesn't necessarily mean the outcome of both cakes will really show evidence of the difficulty in creating it.

You can't just try to bad-mouth and pick apart every single last developer that talked about PlayStation 3's architecture because even the damn creators of the PlayStation 4 talked about the bad architecture of PlayStation 3 are they lazy to? Is Mark Cerny a liar too?

😂😂

At some point you could only try to fight every single last person before coming to the realization that maybe just maybe they're probably right.

Especially when the damn company itself openly admits it when creating Playstation 4.

I'm not even sure why you brought up facts absolutely irrelevant to the point of the difficulty of development but you have to understand is the outcome of a game is not going to show you its development process that's actually irrelevant to what we're talking about. unless you created a PlayStation 3 Game of the same magnitude I'm pretty positive you have no clue about what you're talking about and the developers probably do.

The list of developers that is openly complained about the cells architecture is like a mile long, you would be here all day trying to disprove every single last developer LMFAO😂.

Obscure_Observer2883d ago (Edited 2883d ago )

Again. I never said it was EASY. But yea, "nightmare" is just unrealistic.

I don´t care about "comments" from Lazy devs, man. I been gaming for long enough to KNOW when some of this folks lie through their teeth.

And yea, i´m not afraid to say that Yamauchi is a liar, lazy AND an ungrateful bastard.

The guy never listen to fans. It´s all about "his vision". What vision? First, he said that Gran Turismo 7 would feature (again) standard and premium car models a feature that most GT fans HATE. Then, all info about PS4 GT 7 simply vanished.

Now, he present us GT Sports whitch everyone though it was a spin-off from the Gran Turismo series due the lack of cars, tracks and content. More like a GT 7´s prologue.

Happens that GT Sport actually IS GRAN TURISMO ! He said it himself. And you said WTF? The guy had the balls to say that GT Sport is in truth GT 7 with a clear face? That the name "Sports" is just a reference to the MP focused aspect of the game and... a "homage" to it´s sponsor FIA? After ALL this time?

Seriously, this guy is joke. And a bad one. It´s about time to Sony let this guy go and replace him with Paul Rutchzinsk.

And i don´t care about what you (and the lazy devs) said about the ps3´s "nightmarish architecture"

History facts proves that ps3 was the console from Sony that last longer. You praise Cerny´s machine (PS4) for being the most easy to develop. And all i´ve seen from this generation is delay after delay of games. (both One and PS4)

This is my opnion and you don´t have to agree with it. ;)

Peace.

Sunny_D2884d ago

Got to give credit to Kazunori Yamauchi. I don't think most devs who are owned by the company they work for would be able to criticize the product or actions of their employer. Then again, this is all in the past so it's all moot.

Nitrowolf22884d ago

I think that's the key phrase, it's all in the past.

When ps4 was announced Sony empathize how easy it was. Devs praised it, and many devs came out and even admitted how hard the cell was, despite the power behind.

The ps4 was built by developers for developers so they wouldn't have that issue

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The Witcher 3 REDkit Q&A - CDPR & Yigsoft Confirm Steam Workshop Support; Further Changes Planned

CD Projekt RED and Yigsoft have launched The Witcher 3 REDkit on PC. We interviewed both studios to discuss the release of these mod tools.

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Ubisoft say AC Shadows protagonists will be "romantically attracted to different types of people"

Ubisoft recently shared more details about Assassin's Creed Shadows protagonists, confirming that both of them will romantically attract and be attracted to different types of people.

Hugodastrevas19h ago

That should please everyone I'm sure...

RpgSama4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Feudal Japan DEI LGBTQ+ Samurai, sounds very accurate for the time period. Surely a decision made only with historical accuracy in mind.

Crows904h ago

Or even modern day accuracy.....

Lexreborn24h ago

You have no idea what you are talking about, bet you didn’t know nobunaga was bi-sexual. Or ran maru his is often depicted as androgynous was a “beautiful boy”.

So yeah, feudal Japan had tons of lgbtq and kawaii enough… A BLACK SAMURAI! All without the need of offending a Caucasian because the world is diverse.

VenomUK2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

This story has cracked me up so much! Bravo Ubisoft, bravo! 🤣. So last week everyone was upset that in the long-awaited first Assassin’s Creed: Japan game the protagonist is black. But NOW he is also LGBTQ+ ! It’s like the Ubisoft creative team sat around a table and said “How can we best impress our Kotaku/IGN/Polygon friends and antagonise gamers? Let’s make it woke x 100!’ And then they all silent clapped!

Just you wait until the Star Wars: Outlaws details come out, there better not be anybody complaining about Kay Vess’ dating preferences and the gay droid armies.

Christopher2h ago

It actually is.

Japanese were very Greek in their sexual experiences.

lodossrage2h ago

Lexreborn2 is right

Go read up on Japan's feudal era homosexuality and bisexuality was a very common thing in that time.

I just have to laugh because the same people complaining about this are the same ones crying about wanting "historical accuracy". When it's clear most of the whiners don't even know history themselves.

Christopher1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Facts don't care about downvotes, btw. You either claim to understand historical accuracy or you just admit you don't like the stuff people did throughout history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...

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CrimsonWing694h ago

Geezus, just make a good game… holy sh*t this is becoming insufferable.

Crows904h ago

Oh yeah!!!! What about being inclusive???

I'm sorry
..please replace the word inclusive with stupid.

notachance45m ago

If they truly aimed for inclusivity they’d make the protagonist an Ainu tribe, this is just Ubisoft getting comfy with Sweet Baby Inc as always.

Hofstaderman3h ago

You asking UbiSoft to make a good game? This is not 2002.

Hofstaderman3h ago

I take my hat off to you good sir. Brilliant.

Laskin2h ago

Thanks… I was originally going to write Samu-Bi but then I realized it was right there already so it works better

darthv724h ago

Is that genuinely a selling point for people?

RpgSama4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

They sure as hell want to see if it is, time and time and time again.

VincentVanBro3h ago

You have to understand they’re incapable of writing a good story so this is the best they could come up with

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XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Deadlock looks like bioshock and Moba had babies

JunonZanon4h ago

Valve really cannot count to 3.

Number1TailzFan2h ago

They should've had a new L4D like 10 years ago, it can be expanded upon a lot more but they just left it collecting dust.. it was a good game for its time but L4D2 doesn't have nearly enough content these days to keep players engaged, and it needs a serious graphics upgrade

mastershredder1h ago

Nice bend at the knee there Gabe. Seriously? A quirky character arena shooter? This late into the me-too-shooter market? I thought you guys were so much better than that crap. Gabe must need a bigger yacht.