Conduit for Wii: 360 looks, (mostly) tight controls, '09 release (Ars Technica Preview)

Opposable Thumbs writes:

"The Conduit is a game that we have heard much about without the ability the ever play extensively. High Voltage Software, the developers of the title, showed the game on a random station in Nintendo's booth, and although its debut was low-key, the game seemed to be getting attention: the line to play was longer than almost any other title from Nintendo."

[Sony Rep]

A wii game surpasses the 360?????

[kevanio09]

Just no. This game according to kotaku does not even look as good as metroid prime 3.

[ChickeyCantor]

Yeah well at kotaku they are idiots.
When you bring Metroid prime into this matter you are Comparing ART-style versus technical capabilities.

This Engine+ RetroStudio art direction is going to be a Metroid game that surpasses any Prime game.

@knaveX
They were praising Retro-studio yes.
But the fact remains, This engine is doing allot more then what That of Retro's.
So when people start comparing this game to metroid they are confusing Artstyle with Technical stuff.
I did not see any normal mapping in metroid.

This Engine could have meant allot for Metroid to make the worlds come more to life.

Also comparing the core gameplay is pretty weird, Metroid prime is an adventure/FPS.
The conduit = FPS.

@Winter,
No they are showing that the Wii can do MORE then what other developers have Sh/ting out.
They are doing something for the Wii-community can't you at least be happy for them? All the bashing and crap you guys are sad.

[poopsack]

the studio itself said the game wouldnt be a good as metroid. so are the devs themselves the idiots?

[Winter47th]

Are they actually trying to hype this game depending on its graphics? on the wiiiii? what a joke.

[N4g_null]

@KnaveX it's called being polite. Until the publisher is announced you could almost guess nintendo will be doing this one.

Like sidar said the art team is way stronger over at retro for certain things but this engine along with the fact that it will be online with even better controls makes this game better in my book. Most people will not even beat metroid 3 on the Wii.

Also I trust ARS way more than the fanboys over at Kotaku... I mean really trust a otaku more than the guys at ARS is a failure. Then on top of that Kotaku is a blog ARS is a news site.

arstechnica.com writes:
"The Conduit is an exciting game, as it shows that there is so much untapped potential in the Wii. "

It also seemed they wanted more motion controls which are not really needed since this is a FPS. This game is not suppose to be a revolution it is suppose to be a great FPS for console owners.

I'm sure it will be that now. After seeing quake wars ported to the HD console I really don't think you guys have a lot to brag about. The graphics in that port looked worst than the lowest setting on a PC. Then if a game does look good on the HD systems it runs at 30fps and you get analog sticks that are barely good at spaming. The Wii game is running at a nice frame rate and you get better control and it is pushing the Wii. Normal mapping is not suppose to be possible on a system that debuted at $250.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

Please don't compare this garbage looking game to anything on the 360. You just make yourself look like a fool.

[No FanS Land]

«Anything» on the 360? so you actually mean that perfect dark zero is much better than this? Also includes most wanted and Peter Jackson's king kong.

[Smacktard]

The King Kong video game was actually great. Don't knock it til you played it!

That's all I have to say.

[BrotherNick]

LOL, I thought King Kong was fun too ._.

[kevnb]

actually, yes those two games are much better than this.

[ChickeyCantor]

>_>.
Everywhere people are comparing this with Metroid.
Metroid did not look good because of the shaders/textures/lightning.
It looked good because Retro-studio has a Strong ART-DIRECTION.

This gamehowever is more showing of the technical aspect of what the Wii can do. This engine puts all those other games to shame.
Even Metroid Prime 3, The art is amazing, the technical part not so much in comparison with this engine.

Imagine Metroid prime 3 with full normal mapping.
That would have been thé Metroid this generation.

Not bashing Metroid! i love the series!

[Blink_44]

They need to work on the textures of the gun.
Otherwise it looks good.

[Ps3Fanboy777]

So what now Nintendo wants to do graphics? LOL please, not with that hardware.

Anything that can be exploited in that system has already been seen, and most likely seen quite awhile ago.

Stick to gameplay and the casual audience.

[ChickeyCantor]

"So what now Nintendo wants to do graphics? LOL please, not with that hardware"

Ey brainless monkey, its HVS making this game not Nintendo.

LMAO of someone disagreed!?
Its Nintendo who is making this game?!
I guess pulling facts out of your @ss is in these days XD

[Kleptic]

I have seen nearly every video of this game so far...and I have yet to get a single idea of where anyone is saying how great looking it is...

its a great looking Wii game...but this is 10th time, at least, that I have heard previews comparing it to a true current gen game...and its not even close to that imo...

this preview says 'real time lighting'...if they are referring to some semi-dynamic character shadows...ok...but the overall lighting model looks no different than several good looking PS2/Xbox games (max payne 2 is one example)...

this game is getting some publicity because its a 'core game on the Wii...the wii simply can't do complex visuals...pretending like it can by over-hyping it will only make the matter worse...this game is in the release window of Killzone 2 for the PS3...I would love to see a visual comparison video between the two around then...

[ChickeyCantor]

Kleptic,
The game looks more than decent if we say "for a wii game".
All we need now is a solid Online mode and control scheme.

Also HVS has hyped this game a bit to early if you ask me, they should polish it up and then hype it.
Because it might look this way till the end with out improvements.

[Pain]

Looks nice for a Wii game.

[jack who]

what they mean 360 looks(mostly)?i can name 10 xbox 1 game that looks better than this.

[heyheyhey]

they never said it's better looking than all Xbox games dumbass!!!

just that it can be passed off as a 360 game visually

a statement i don't support myself, but whatever- your still as dumb as my cat

[Chubear]

There's no way any logical thinking person could mistake this title for even an early year one 360 title. There are PS2 and Xbox1 games that look unpar or better than this thing and this is 2008 for cryin out loud.

Don't be sap for these PR groups. Use your eyes and common sense. That game looks nothing like a current gen game on the 360 for any time period, to say it does make you look like utter sheep to PR hype.

This game as it stands could be done even better with the same development time, on the Xbox or PS2. Just go look at Butcher's Bay or Black and these FPSs came out way back in 2004ish time period. Imagine the how this game would look like with the same development time and brought out for the PS2 in 2008.

[Beg For Mercy]

i own a 360 and can tell you that even too human looks better than the conduit nothing on the wii will ever reach 360 graphic levels, its going to be 480p at max for gods sake, 3 gen xbox games look better than this ninja gaiden in xbox looks better than this

[Kleptic]

yeah I agree...I don't own a 360, but even 360 launch titles, that were designed for the PS2 first, look better than this on a technical level...its a good looking game considering its on the Wii...but credibility goes right out the window when they say its as good looking as some 360 titles...

[dmixwell]

PRETTY UNIQE ,LOOKS WAY BETTER THAN METRIOD ,WAY MORE COLORFUL THAN HALO , BUT NO HD QUAILITY . SOMETHING WE CAN OVER LOOK BUT WHY MAKE BETTER GRAPHICS IF YO CANT SEE THEM IN HD . BUT I WORRY , ALL THAT GRAPHICS ON A FAKE DVD DISK ....SOMETHINGS GOT TO GIVE.

[ChickeyCantor]

Some one call the Caps-Lock-police, we have an abuser!

[Mozilla89]

Halo 3 is the king of colorful, I think between the different convenant, weapons, and maps they've got every single color in the color pallet covered.

[dmixwell]

I HAVE A BAD habit .

[TheColbertinator]

I think it looks like one of the earlier 360 games like FEAR or Just Cause.Either way The Conduit looks impressive and is no slouch in the graphics department.I can't wait to play it.

[cemelc]

why are all the xbox droids on this thread in dmg control??????

Wii is already kicking everyone elses but, so there is no point flaming in here, if they say they can make it, wait for the freaking game to come out and be review fair and square, before start crying your @ss off.

Damn i know beating the failbox 360 might be hard for the wii(well not in sales dept thats for sure), but if this game manage to do that then ill be on the front line laughing cos youll be losing to a console way and i mean way inferior than yours(in the end is all about games isnt it).

[hazardman]

The Wii sucks ass..can never touch the Xbox360..

[BWS1982]

people like you still don't get it...

[BWS1982]

"I'm going to disagree with this guy, I don't know why, so I can't explain it, but I'm still going to disagree"

Biased lemmings.

[dragunrising]

Why do they always compare Conduit to a 360 game? Its not like it matters but its worth giving it a thought. First party games on both consoles are leaps and bounds above this game. I believe they should compare this game to first generation software on either console. I just think its curious that PS3 games are not being compared to Conduit when Xbox 360/PS3 graphics are more or less equal to one another. Don't hate.

[Mozilla89]

I was wondering the same thing as well, I think that on the whole Xbox games have a different feel than 360 games. If you look at certain exclusives you can tell which one was for the ps3 and which one is for the 360. (I'm not saying 360 exclusives look worse) So conduit feels more like a 360 game, anyways thats my 2 cents worth.

[ChickeyCantor]

" I believe they should compare this game to first generation software on either console"

And they are trying to they were never talking about high-end games.
Read Snipes1616 comment.

[Shoko]

You 360 fanboys, chill. I'm a Wii owner (and PS3), and yes, I know, the game doesn't look as good as a 360, but it defiantly doesn't loook like a Wii game. see what I'm saying? I'm impressed by the graphics. And don't even flame me cause I have a PS3 and play it all the time, so I know what great graphics look like, but this game looks freakin great. And those screenshots you always see- they're old. People and sites keep on posting old ones, cause all the new ones are owned by other sites (IGN, VG.) Also keep in mind that the game is still in it's early ALPHA stage, so the graphics will be 2-fold when it's all done. You guys always complain about Wii graphics, but when a game finally looks great on the Wii, your still not satisfied. Guys, there has to be a weaker console, and don't expect that console to be just as graphically great as the others. God, you people are so ignorant.

[e-ray]

The Wii runs on last gen hardware. Sure, one console will always be worse in the specs, but this is a generation behind.

[BWS1982]

the Wii was designed to be about half way between last and this generation. Looking at the game selection on the Wii, you can tell what Nintendo was going for, and obviously it wasn't polygon count, WHICH MAKES The Conduit all the more impressive and risky...fanboys need to leave the tunnel, the vision is obtrussive as hell in there...

Bubbles Shoko

[jtucker78]

It wasn't built to be halfway between this generation and the last. It was built for motion control.
The power needs to be doubled again to get close to halfway to this generation. It's probably a fifth / quarter of the way towards this generation in terms of processing power. But that - as Nintendo like to remind us - is not what they are about anymore.
That's why people are calling the Wii last gen. Not that I necessarily agree. From a hardware point of view it is certainly far far closer to a PS2 than it is to the PS3 or 360. That's why you get PS2 ports and not PS3 ports.
Still I suppose Motion control bumps the Wii up into this generation as it is not something we've had before.

[BWS1982]

it WAS built for motion control, with hardware that's above and beyond the last gen, but not nearly as powerful as this gen, the difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is miniscule...I've never heard the 1/4th the power of a leap from last to this gen, Nintendo and other devs had reportedly stated that they were trying to get the Wii to almost be similar to an xbox 1.5 or PS2.5...meaning "around halfway" between gens. Spec-wise, I think it's around that, but game-wise, I think the Wii can achieve "xbox 1.5" caliber visuals, look at the Conduit, you won't find anything on last gen that robust, visually speaking. So, in essence, I think we're both right, but it depends on how hard the devs can milk the Wii as to where between the gen's it can be placed. It's essentially a beefed up Gamecube, which is not what e-ray thinks, I was claiming he's wrong about the Wii being last gen, and you just concured, more or less with that. It's no 360 or PS3, we all get that, but it is NOT last gen hardware either. The reason you get PS2 ports is because devs are lazy, obviously High Voltage isn't so lazy, hence the impressive work they're doing...no it's not Gears or Uncharted, but it's NOT last gen, the ignorant fanboys have blinders on...

[jtucker78]

"Spec-wise, I think it's around that, but game-wise, I think the Wii can achieve "xbox 1.5" caliber visuals, look at the Conduit."

I totally agree with you on that point. This Wii is more powerful than the PS2 and the XBox, but I think you are forgeting just how much more powerful the PS3 and 360 are.

Sony claim the PS3 is around 20 times more powerful than the PS2.
The Wii is twice as powerful as a Gamecube.
Or as you say Xbox 1.5

You can see that is still quite a way from the PS3. Which is why I estimated approximately a quarter of the way from last generation to this generation.

If you want to see proof of this look at some screenshots of "Black" on the PS2 (try IGN). While the Conduit does looks a little better than Black, when you compare it to something like Uncharted on the PS3 then you realise it is light years behind.

Remember each generation the next console is usually 8-10 times more powerful than the one before it. Nintendo decided not to follow that rule and went with an advancement of 18months (Every 18m processor speeds should double). That is why the Wii keeps getting the unfortunate tag of "last gen".
I'm not trying to upset you. These are just the facts.
Not every single dev is lazy. It's not a conspiracy against the Wii.

It isn't really important anyway as the conduit is looking great, it has highly customisable motion controls and online multiplayer.
The game is coming along great.

[BrotherNick]

Hey, I'm just happy there will be wii fps controls, analogs for aiming can suck ma balls. This is way more real than what the other consoles do. The level of customization is very good, for those that like to nitpick can fix all their problems...they fixed the spinning in Red Steel by making the screen not spin when the wiimote is not pointing at the screen, and they fixed where the pointer was not centered automatically when it was off the screen either...so this makes the game way more playable. Give the game a chance.

http://www.gametrailers.com...

[Shoko]

PS2- 65 million polygons per second
Wii- 500 million polygons per second

Guys, the Wii can pull off great visuals. Look at black on the PS2.....that's in 65 mil, so imagine if they did a Black with 500 million polygons per second........exactly. I know, this game doesn't look as good as a 360 title, but it doesn't look like a Wii game either. Keep in mind that the game is in it's Pre-Alpha stage

[Shoko]

You guys flame this game and you don't even know about it.

1) It's only in it's Pre-Alpha, so the graphics will be double than what we see now.
(I'm no way comparing these features to a 360/PS3 title)

2) 16 online multiplayer ( "Robust" and "Competetive")
3) Voice Chat
4) Macthmaking
5)Customizable:
a. Turning speed
b. Cursor sensitivity
c. Dead Zone Size
d. Running Speed
6) Great story
7) Puzzle gameplay (so your not just shooting all the time)
8) Stylized Weapons
9) LAN Play
10) Offline multiplayer (recently confirmed)

[Blink_44]

bubbles.

[Nugan]

Oh, so it will have offline multiplayer? Awesome.

Honestly though, I think it's sad that this "will its graphics equal the 360?" debate is obscuring the issue of whether or now this will really be an FPS that plays to the strengths of the Wii and best utilizes what makes it unique as a console. I'm far more interested in the innovative control schemes than the graphics.

[hazardman]

@arrrgh...I don't want to see one drip..swallow that sh!t..

[Shoko]

Sorry my friend, but you are wrong. Guys, don't down something if you don't know everything about it. The Wii is not last gen. Did you know that the Wii is stronger than the Xbox, which was the strongest of last gen? No, you didn't, cause if you did, you wouldn't have said that. The Xbox can't even pull off Mario Galaxy's visuals, which is true, so don't you fanboys deny it. Mario Galaxy was beautiful.

[BrotherNick]

I came. \o/

[vashivihang]

hey shoko, remember me?

dont feed the trolls. the 360 damage control party is here to stay. but they wont succede because the conduit is over 9000!!!

maybe they can haz a cheezeburger?

[Shoko]

Hey, vash, wassup? Long time no see.

I wasn't exactly feeding them, I was informing/correcting them

[Sunny_D]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH HAHAHAHAHAH THE WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII IS MORE POWERFUL THAN YOUR BOT'S CRAPBOX PLEASE FIX ME!!!!!!!! HOHOHOHOAAHAHAHAHAHA HHOHOHOHOH HAHAHAHHAA

[juuken]

Wii FTW. :D

[TheDeadMetalhead]

WII FTW ^__^

[Chubear]

You Ninetendo Wii fans are delusional. It's kinda scary too cause you all are the same ones that'll say a game like Killzone II is generic and unimpressive but will hail THIS FPS?

Loco men, just LOCO!

[juuken]

Errr...I support the Wii and the PS3? o.o

[N4g_null]

Chubear I have to ask you why do you play your FPS games on the PS3 and not a PC? I mean I like many other are excited because Killzone2 doesn't move as fast, and Killzone2 doesn't have Wii mote controls. DID I also mention that Killzone 2 uses a controller that was on the PS2? EVEN Kojima took a dump on killzone 2 trying to use the controller for opening the door? How retarded is that? Hey blonds look pretty good to but it's not fun talking to them. Killzone2 is a blond and from the looks of things they are not even a real blond they are just trying to be one to get some attention. I'm expecting a COD like game and I'm borad of that game.

No one played golden eye on the N64 because of graphics, quake 2 and 3 where out then. No one played halo because if was the best they just wanted to play a console FPS online. Although the graphics are a surprise coming from such an affordable and handicapped system it's the fact that we will get better controls than metroid and online play.

This is why people are excited about this game. Simply put it doesn't get more hardcore than conduit. It's a FPS made by FPS fans and it shows.

I mean really it looks good but why do you have to defend your system? It doesn't need defending do it?

[BrotherNick]

We hail it because we're actually aiming the at the screen, pointing at the objects, like a normal person would. Not aiming with with a nub.

PS3/360 fps fan: "How do I aim gun?" *wiggles thumb*

I'm sorry but that's not immersion like you think.

[Zerodin]

I wonder what the next droid excuse will be.

[Product]

true this game will be great because of its controls,not because people are having a field day with its graphics.

[Leathersoup]

I think they're comparing Conduit to the XBLA version of Doom.

[Snipes20]

The developers never said that they were creating something that looked better than 360 games. They never said they were creating exact 360 quality. That is impossible. Not only is the hardware not there, but the output resolution for Wii maxes out at SD.

They did however say this when IGN first interviewed them, "With Conduit, we are trying to make a Wii game that looks like a 360 title (April 17 2008)."

That has many translations, but here is mine: they are trying to get as close to achieving what the 360 can on the Wii. They are doing this better than any other developer right now because they figured out an alternate method to produce normal and bump mapped textures as well as other advanced effects only seen in Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime 3.

Speaking of Metroid Prime 3, it is currently being debated that it has better graphics than The Conduit. This is partially true. MP3 has much better art direction/style and it has higher resolution textures and more detail in the environments. The last two things can be fixed during remaining development time on the Conduit, and maybe the first one, too. As for the Conduit, it has (from what I can tell) more polygons on screen at once, far more particle effects and normal/bump mapping. These things push it beyond MP3, but at the cost of 30 of the coveted 60 frames per second.

As for originality, I do not think this is the most original game (aliens are attempting once again to steal our homes) and the only variant in gameplay is the All-Seeing-Eye. So it isn't the Portal of run and gun FPS's when it comes to uniqueness, but that doesn't mean the game will be bad and the story won't be exactly the same as every other shooter.

As for multiplayer, High Voltage is pushing the envelope online (and I've heard recently they are going to do LAN and other offline modes, too). I expect to see something along the lines of Halo 2 for the online experience, and if I know one thing, Halo 2's online was very popular.

As for Motion plus, I think they should implement it only if it fits. They are about ultimate control customization, but that doesn't mean they have to implement M+ in the game. For those of you who don't know, the aiming is 1:1 (I'm amazed that people think IR is not 1:1), but motions such as melee attacks are not 1:1. That is whee M+ could really help out because if you have played Medal of Honor (not Heroes 2, but I think it is the same in both) then you know that pushing the Wii remote forward to melee gives you another chance to look at the floor textures.

Did I mention that the Wii is currently lacking shooters?

One last point I would like to make is this: this game is already above "crappy PS2 visuals" or even "visuals worse than Black on PS2". Stop saying that. Please. The only reason finished products like those look better on small, out-of-date, low-rez screens is because the environments in the Conduit don't have a ton of detail. I think the game is weak in this area and if they improve the graphics, I hope it makes the environments look less bland and more appealing.

This isn't the 360, but it isn't the PS2, Gamecube, or Xbox either. Like it or not, this game have great graphics and controls.

[Durffen]

How do you have a disagree? This is one of the most non biased comments I've read, and probably the only sane comment I've read on N4G.

Everything you said is nothing but truth, and anyone who disagree's with you in any prospect is likely a completely biased PS3 or 360 fanboy, which is basically the entire community of N4G.

[Voiceofreason]

It was a good post but I had to disagree when he said the Wii maxes at SD resolution. It might only be able to do 480p but that p isnt possible if it was SD only.

[FelicityOldGamer]

Bubbles my friend!

[Sunny_D]

OKOK GUYS LETS BE SERIOUS.... THE Wii ISNT MORE POWERFUL THAN THE 360, BOTH ARE JUST EQUAL. WITH OUTDATED HARDWARE!!! GEARS OF WAR AND Wii SPORTS LOOK EQUALLY IN GRAPHICS. WOW!!!!!!!!

[Snipes20]

We won't say that Gears and Wii Sports have comparable graphics.

We will not type in ALL CAPS either.

[N4g_null]

You new guys just don't understand it's not about graphics by them selves. Seriously Halo sucks FPS wise floaty slow and bad aiming mechanics it's the Wii sports of FPS. The reason why we love this game already is because they are putting so much effort in to such a weak system and they are doing things that people said where not possible.

The Wii is a fixed function shader engine... it's not really suppose to pull off normal maps at that frame rate. So when you add better graphics and even better control system you have some thing a true hardcore gamer can get excited about. I mean you have the control, a little more eye candy than usual then you have a constant frame rate that already moves at a pace that I'm use to on PC since they don't have to slow the game down for analog sticks.

Hey but your not here to see why we like this game your just here to bash it because you don't like it. Well go ahead be my guess. I'm just glad your happy with your HD stuff. Yeap gears looks good but are you still playing it? I mean I still play quake 3 man so far it's the fastest more accurate controlling FPS out there. That game takes lots of skill to play. Conduit is what I want a game where I can separate the noobs from the skilled players because the controls are not getting in the way.

[Shoko]

Couldn't have said it better myself. Finally, a sensible person in here.

You 360 fans are acting like WE said it looks like a 360. We didn't, the writer of the article did, so go flame there.

Look, (And you Wii fanboys look to), THIS GAME DOES NOT look like a 360 game, but it DOES NOT look like a last gen game either. The Conduit, Metroid Prime 3, and Mario Galaxy are all great, next-gen looking games (You gotta admit). THAT'S how Wii graphics look like, so stop taking games like Red Steel and basing everything about the Wii on that.

[TheDesperado]

We all know it's not true, but I imagine the idiot would get fired if he said it looks like a game from the vastly superior PS3.

[Allowen]

All I know about this game is worth enough for me to buy it on day1.
I remember a dev saying:

"The conduit will be to the Wii what Golden Eye was for the N64"

[Product]

I think Nintendo will be the publisher.

[TruthbeTold]

That's what I've been hoping for. I think Nintendo should try to lock up this franchise and keep it exclusive.

[ChickeyCantor]

People are hoping for EA, because of their own server.
But I hope its Nintendo, Not only because HVS is working close with them for the multiplayer aspect and voice chat. Nintendo might learn a thing or two from HVS concerning Online gaming.

[AWBrawler]

Big N Should keep this one exclusive.

Also, I hope it ends up being better than what 007 was to N64, I hope it becomes the Halo 2 of this generation.

[ChickeyCantor]

HVS made this to be exclusive for the Wii.

[EaziG]

I don't think it does.

look, I like the Wii, but why compare the graphics to the big Powerhouse Consoles?

Besides, I've seen better effects on Shadow fo the Colossus and thats only on the PS2

[kunit22c]

People at E3 mistook this game for being a 360 game, that just shows how good the grahics are.

[kesvalk]

hope it gets done right...

i still have the memories of what red steel said it would be, and what it was...

[dib8rman]

Aside from the graphics this game looks very good.
1. Online multiplayer
2. Offline Campaign
3. Offline multiplayer
4. Drag and drop HUD
5. Customizable controls
6. Custom IR dead zones
7. 3 Weapon types with Motion control effects on certain ones

I mean that's just a few, the game is a standard FPS with the earth weapons but with the Alien ones you start using the functions that are unique to the Wii.

Power to these guys, because from just that I can see they want to give power to the player.

As far as graphics, hey right now it's good enough for me to play it, I can distinguish a car and there doesn't seem to be anything that would make me puke so I'm set.

What they could add aside from the awesome voice chat and 1:1 functions are online clans and online campaign or online deathmatch with friends playing on one Wii.

[kesvalk]

the only thing i can say i din't like in this game is the character, that suit is ungly as hell, he really don't have too much personality, he is not a Samus, a Master Chief or a Gordom Freeman, but i am sure this is a minor detail in a FPS...

[Toneman]

I can't wait for this title... It's looking REALLY great. BTW, Metroid Prime 3 is the best looking game for the Wii in my opinion... but this engine seems better. I don't agree with the whole "You should use more motion controls" bit. I love the Wii... but motion controls are hit and miss. I don't think they should use Motion Controls just becauses they're there. FPS controls on Wii are PERFECT... but I don't mind pressing buttons instead of waggling the controller. Most games that use motion controls are rather unresponsive... except maybe Godfather. I love the idea of Motion Controls... but maybe the WiiMotionPlus will help make them more responsive.

[kesvalk]

some of the motion controls are good, like shaking the nunchuk to trow granades.

motions too complicated are better out, like the evasion in okami, it's terrible, but a shake of nunchuk is better than a button... for me... it's like mario spin or the grapling hook in metroid...

[BrotherNick]

omg dude...evasion wasn't terrible at all -_- practice a bit...flicking up evaded backwards, left went left, right went right...it's all muscle control. Must've not played enough wii tennis.

[kesvalk]

never could get that right it was like "go left, go left, NO! don't go near him! okay, backwards now! no, not right..."

about the Tennis, i almost never play Wiisports, didn't like it.

i think i one of the few ppl that think it's a waste of time to play Wii sports when you can play other games, like metroid or Chocobo Fables...

[kunit22c]

All you ps3 and 360 fanboys just leave because the reason that your ripping on this is because you actually like it and are just jelous that its exclusive, well fanboys eat this check out these awesome facts:

"We're not ready to officially announce anything, but things are in the works. Look for the word in the coming month. We're going to ship with a full single player campaign and both offline and online multiplayer. We're also working with Nintendo now on getting LAN play working [via system link]." - Rob Nicholls, the game's designer.

Notice how he said Offline and Online AND ALSO LAN, meaning that the offline multiplayer is splitscreen. So far, the features confirmed are: 16+ Online Multiplayer, Voice Chat, Macthmaking, Customaizable : turning speed, cursor sensitivty, dead zone size, and running speed, Movable HUDS, 17 weapons +variants, 3 grenade types, LAN play, and splitscreen. Keep in mind that the game is still in it's early Alpha.========= i didnt type this: this info is from this site