EA’s Comments on Its NX Support Speaks for All Third-Party Developers

— Nintendo Enthusiast:

EA recently made some interesting statements about its support for the Nintendo NX. In short, the juggernaut company said that it would develop games for Nintendo’s new system “if it makes sense”. Many fans have, understandably, responded a little negatively to these words. Yet while EA’s statement may seem somewhat arrogant, what the company said makes sense. Its words don’t just apply to them – but to every third-party developer that may be interested in creating games for the NX.

[Hoffmann]

The big question is, does it make sense for third party companies that are not tiny indie studios to develope for Nintendo systems anymore?

[freshslicepizza]

yes if the system does well. first they will do quick ports to see the reaction. if they are successful then they may utilize the hardware further and possibly use any unque features it may have.

it also comes down to how easy will the games be to port or make mutiplatform. publishers don't care like the fanboys here do. they are not as loyal, they just want to make as much money as they can.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Well, if they want to have any shot at making "as much money as they can", they have to come to the realization that quick ports, with content cut out, is just going to be the Wii U for them all over again.

As our old pal Danjin the pot-headed merchant [ceramic, not grass] in DFO says: "You've got to spend mah-ney to make mah-ney!"

If they don't do something that the consumers will see as worth buying, then it won't matter how powerful the NX is; third parties will be ignored.

@ Ed

#1 The architecture shouldn't hold them back from making good exclusives, which can carry a system JUST AS WELL as their ports do, if they do the right kinds of exclusives.

"Also they only received the ports because the platform was not powerful enough to receive current generation games."
Dude, EVEN THE LAST GEN PORTS SUCKED TOO HARD TO MOVE THE SYSTEM, and that wasn't the fault of the system's power because IT WAS MORE THAN POWERFUL ENOUGH TO HANDLE LAST GEN PORTS.
IT WAS THE FAULT OF POOR EFFORT, on the side of third parties, who relied on really badly done ports instead of fresh new games built from the ground up for the system.
If you think that new multiplats would have moved the Wii U better when the last-gen ports left such a horrible impression to begin with, that's just ASININE.

#2 Dude, ROCKSTEADY WAS LAZY.
The batmobile wouldn't have prevented Arkham Knight from fitting onto the Wii U.
A bit of down-rezzing [which wouldn't have costed them enough to worry over] might have been needed, but the system can handle Xenoblade X, which is ten times larger than Arkham Knight.
You can put that BS away; even Shin-en did a better job at making beautiful-looking games on the Wii U than Rocksteady EVER could have.

Also, you keep mentioning how the newer games never made the console, while IGNORING that it was the BAD PORTS that were just as responsible for new EXCLUSIVES from them not having an install base to sell to.
I can GUARANTEE you that if they had stuck solely to games built from the ground up for the Wii U's tech, they would have sold FAR BETTER than Arkham City did on Wii U, let alone Sniper Elite V2 or the rest of the third party shovelware.

A bad workman blames the tools.
http://www.nintendolife.com...
It's a weak point and you need to put that crap to bed.

#3
"Yet all those third-party developers are breaking records elsewhere and moving ridiculous units elsewhere please get over yourself."
And I see you still haven't woken up enough to accept the fact that BAD PORTS DON'T SUDDENLY BECOME GOOD JUST BECAUSE A SYSTEM IS POWERFUL.
You're the one who needs to get over themselves.
And take your arrogant high-horse and your habit of not demanding the same quality of workmanship in ALL third party ports[through ignoring the faulty quality of last-gen ports] with you.
No amount of power is going to make third parties sell on the NX if they can't bring the right games to it.
And you have to be half way round the bend in mentality to think that the NX won't be at least on par with the XBone, which is THE PERFECT amount of MINIMUM tech needed to get ALL the same multiplats that everyone is buying for the XBone and PS4 in the first place.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@wonder - "that quick ports, with content cut out, is just going to be the Wii U for them all over again."

It will only be Wii U for developers of Nintendo goes with a difficult architecture again.

Also they only received the ports because the platform was not powerful enough to receive current generation games.

I'm honestly not sure why you're not actually reading the link that I continue to keep posting seriously go read what Rocksteady stated about Arkham Knight.

So why should Rocksteady downgrade their game across all platforms to make the Wii U feel good? Oh make a specific version just for the Wii U that's going to cost even more money?
I'm sorry but ports make sense if the platform isn't powerful enough for current generation Concepts and has a difficult expensive architecture that is not the developer's fault, that's Nintendo's.

"If they don't do something that the consumers will see as worth buying"

I see you're not tired kicking that stupid excuse huh? Yet all those third-party developers are breaking records elsewhere and moving ridiculous units elsewhere please get over yourself.

All the developers that left Nintendo all made contact with buying on other platforms that we're capable of those Concepts once again Read Rocksteady's statements you might as well copy and paste that to every developer that didn't make games for that platform it's too expensive, it's too weak they're not going to make games specifically for that systems architecture if the company is not even going to meet them halfway.

[ocelot07]

They did these "quick ports" for the Wii U in the binging. Most of the port titles where rushed. Like Assassin's Creed 3, Epic Mickey 2, Batman Arkham City, FIFA 13, Sniper Elite. Because the ports where bad Wii U owners didn't buy them. The company's could see there ports where not selling on the Wii U so pretty much gave up on the system.

Even the decent port didn't sell well at all on the Wii U. Need for Speed most wanted, Watch Dogs, Mass Effect 3, Deus Ex, Assassin's Creed 4.

[Erik7357]

Even then, third party games in general sell bad on nintendo devices that sell well compared to competitor sales of nintendo.....nintendo puts more focus on their first party games and it ends up hurting third party sales on it's system.

For all people disagreeing, i'm gonna say something to prove them wrong and they can just hit the disagree button in a stubborn fanboyish attitude of denial. Wii sold more than ps3 and 360 but call of duty still sold a lot less on it and other third party games sold a lot less on it compared to its competitors sales like Sony and Microsoft had for third party games on their system.

We get a nintendo console to play Mario not Call of duty

No one gets it but it dosent matter if they make it easy to develop for, or open up to more third party developers.

Sony's ps3 was terrible to develop for but it didn't stop 3rd party publishers did it? There's a underlining hatred for Nintendo by these big publishers because their games sale bad on its system because everyone with a nintendo console buys mario and zelda.

But some third party games that appeal to niche gamers like Final Fantasy or Katamari....just examples....probably would sell pretty good on their system.

[fatsodubmo]

@wonderfulmonkeyman

TLDR

[freshslicepizza]

@wonderfulmonkeyman
"Well, if they want to have any shot at making "as much money as they can", they have to come to the realization that quick ports, with content cut out, is just going to be the Wii U for them all over again."

ask yourself, why was content cut in the first place?

"If they don't do something that the consumers will see as worth buying, then it won't matter how powerful the NX is; third parties will be ignored."

nintendo's attitude is we will lead by example while expecting third party to use extra resources to support whatever gimmick they have to compensate for the lack of power to handle a proper port.

"Also, you keep mentioning how the newer games never made the console, while IGNORING that it was the BAD PORTS that were just as responsible for new EXCLUSIVES from them not having an install base to sell to.
I can GUARANTEE you that if they had stuck solely to games built from the ground up for the Wii U's tech, they would have sold FAR BETTER than Arkham City did on Wii U, let alone Sniper Elite V2 or the rest of the third party shovelware."

we have seen cancelled games too because let's be frank, the system cannot replicate games like the witcher 3 properly.

"No amount of power is going to make third parties sell on the NX if they can't bring the right games to it.
And you have to be half way round the bend in mentality to think that the NX won't be at least on par with the XBone, which is THE PERFECT amount of MINIMUM tech needed to get ALL the same multiplats that everyone is buying for the XBone and PS4 in the first place."

and here we go again with nintendo coming out with a new console midcycle to the others. so let's pretend it is as powerful as the xbox one. what incentive is there for anyone to buy the nx over the xbox one or ps4 other than for its exclusives? the wii worked for nintendo because at the time they introduced motion gaming. it offered gamers something different therefore the power of the system became secondary at the time. this is why nintendo continues to feel compelled to do things differently. problem is third party publishers dont want to cater to unique hardware unless they know it will payoff for them. it's the catch 22 cycle all over again. the same thing is happeing with vr now. you will not see aaa games made solely for vr technology. the intall base is not there yet. so you will see small games or vr supported games that can also work on regular controils as to not alientae potential sales.

third party publishers will take the same route. they won't make special nx games other than a quick port. they have no idea how well the nx is going to sell so why put extra resources into making unique software because nintendo keeps making unique hardware? the only way this cycle ends is lightning in a bottle strikes again but nintendo will face the same uphill battle it did with the wii and that is timing. microsoft and sony will be poised to come out with new hardware just a couple of years after the nx and can easily saturate the market like they did with motion controls until consumers grew tired of it but they will also have the more advanced hardware to keep them going while the nx gets left behind again. rinse and repeat until nintendo follows the handbook of the other two.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I mean just as much , you have to factor it's even more expensive for smaller companies that just don't have the funds to gamble on such an expensive architecture if Nintendo indeed goes with the same architecture type.

People who keep saying if the system does well or not factoring there's already several existing install bases that are easier to develop for with more people so even if NX does well it's not going to move 200 million units so it's very unlikely that it will do so well that it trumps other platforms.

The reality is a developer could care less if the NX does well simply because it's not doing good enough to ignore everyone else until it moves 200 million most developers will not care all that much if they are unable to make a good profit in comparison to elsewhere.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

"200 million units"

You just pulling this number out of your ass? There isn't a single console to move 200 million units.

[Hoffmann]

I am sure you made a typo and wanted to write 20 Million, not 200

[RosweeSon]

No console has ever cleared 150 million ever so 200? Good luck. I love Nintendo amongst other things but 30-50 million would be pretty good for them. They've only ever cleared 100 million once with the Wii. Other than that it's been 40-60 million home consoles unless it's Wii U, N64 or GameCube as these were all a bit lower. 200 million, aim high I guess.

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol I'm adding up the potential install base of PS4, XONE and PC when NX releases. Of course its not 200 million, just using a wild example to prove a point.

@Garr- "200 million units so it's very unlikely that it will do so well that it trumps other platforms"

ie "platforms" with an "s" I was adding the install base of PS4, XONE and PC to show that even NX doing well, doesn't actually trump all other platforms. That might be the only way a developer seeks to work on a more expensive architecture.

Even Activision made COD4 on Wii when that install base was huge lol

I also love how many of you missed when I stated "platforms" and "elsewhere" it was not talking about 1 platform that moved 200 million, it was revering the entire install base outside of Nintendo platforms.

For a developer to consider working on a more expensive platform in terms of design, it would have to trump all other platforms combined, or it would merely be included with those other platforms, but not exclusively to a Nintendo platform. Simple business.

Yes folks, its a wild example, my point was to make it pretty wild, but its near the install base of PS4, XONE and PC likely by the time NX releases.

@RosweeSon- "No console has ever cleared 150 million ever" O_O!

You really need to google bud.

http://techland.time.com/20...

PS2 sold 155 million, soooooooo 150 million would be less then 155, thus...yes, a console has indeed "cleared" well past 150 million before.

Read the post slowly, its not referring to 1 platform, I state "platforms" with an "s" bud. Its referring to a combined install base. So yes, of course no platform has moved 200 million in regards to console, but ....thats sorta the point. Unless they have an install base that is OVER the combined install base of PS4, XONE and PC, they won't have a boat load of developers making games ONLY for that 1 platform if its more expensive to developer for. They would at best have a developer that supported NX, ALONG with the others as they couldn't afford to work on a MORE expensive platform just based on the install base, as the bigger the NX install base, the more likely reason to support BOTH install bases and not merely just NX.

[Segata]

If you can show me a single console that sold 200 million systems I will break my ribs to reach down and bite off my own dick.

[rainslacker]

If it manages to move 20-30 million units it will get support assuming the support it gets shows that it can sell on the system. Publishers move on into new gens when hardware sells through in the 20-30 million range, and software sells well on it. Big publishers don't put much effort into a system that doesn't sell software, regardless of the number of units there are, nor do they put much effort into a platform that hasn't really achieved the mainstream acceptance. Early on they'll offer support due to the lack of competing games, but if they can't even sell their games then, it's unlikely they'll keep trying unless others show strong sales on the system.

[jholden3249]

Idk. I don't think it makes sense. PLAYSTATION and XBOX are the brands people are loyal to now. They're not gonna buy a Nintendo console to play those games no matter what happens. And neither am I. Unless NX got EVERY. SINGLE. GAME. and it looked and ran better, had better system capabilities, etc. and we all know that's not going to be the case.

But I WILL buy and NX for the exclusive games. Not just 1st party. But all all worthy exclusives (granted most will be 1st party). Wii U was such a great console with Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Bayonetta 2, Wonderful 101, and the dozens of 1st party games. And I believe NX will certainly outdo the Wii U library (just add in a Metroid, Fire Emblem and F-Zero and we're golden).

Now, that's not to say multiplats are a bad thing. I'm all for them. But, most Nintendo gamers are either not interested in realistic games or, they already play them on PS/Xbox. So Idk where the market for those games is going to come from.

[Hoffmann]

I think you are right.

Nintendo Hardware is more or less "dead" or not interesting anymore to a good couple of us gamers for different reasons. If the NX won't be something that is so damn cool that it blows these people away with some really innovative great new games it will stay like that ..and 3rd party companies won't have reasons to support such hardware either.

[RosweeSon]

But it's still good to a bare minimum 12 million Wii U owners and at least 50-60 million 3ds owners that's more than Xbox one could dream of. Even 3ds alone. Sure ones home consoles ones handheld? And Nintendo hardware isn't dead just look at 3ds sales, Getting on to its twilight years and still selling very well.

[Zeldafan64]

What great new innovations have sony or microsoft come up with? The gamepad trumps everything out right now in terms of what it can do with new gameplay mechanics. Zombiu really needs a sequel.

[superchiller]

@ Zeldafan64 - The gamepad trumps nothing at all, in fact the gamepad never proved it's value, and is the central reason why the Wii U failed. No matter how much you wish it were different, the gamepad was nothing more than an expensive, awkward, distracting gimmick that degraded gaming experiences, rather than improving them.

[Erik7357]

YOu don't buy nintendo devices for call of duty you buy it for zelda and mario and that's why nintendo doesn't give a damn about third party.

I find a lot of gamers having a xbox/playstation....atleast for other generations other than wiiu....buying a nintendo console for brawl or mario kart or zelda or one of its other typical exclusives.....especially pc gamers.

Nintendo knows this and they know they have some of the strongest IP's in gaming and that's been there strategy its just wii u hardly had any of their games which why it failed in sales and when they did come it was to late and just in general wiiu as a console just wasn't great and only hardcore fans liked it.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"YOu don't buy nintendo devices for call of duty you buy it for zelda and mario and that's why nintendo doesn't give a damn about third party"

Well....that merely means those 12 million units from Wii U will return for NX and thats about it.

A sequel to Wii U's performance doesn't bode well for them.

"they know they have some of the strongest IP's in gaming" Do they? Not enough to move Wii U's units those bud, that sorta the point. If they really had such a pull, Wii U would have not failed.

Nintendo needs 3rd party support if the wish to continue to remain relevant as I don't think they can afford another loss after Wii U.

Like I've stated many, many times....they might need to consider going 3rd party if NX doesn't succeed. More money is made on software then hardware. So they are spending more money to make hardware that doesn't move software?

Just doesn't sound like a sound business move to me.

I'd rather they spend zero on hardware and start making mobile, PC, PS and XB games.

Instant install base.
Zero hardware cost.
I'm calling it right now, its going to happen.

[Segata]

I bought a Wii U for Bayonetta 2. Don't generalize blindly.

[rainslacker]

Yes, and while I guess that makes them a profit, they'd make more if people choose their system to play those 3rd party games as well. Then they'd have a bigger install base to sell their 1st party games too, thus making more money, not to mention more money off 3rd party licensing.

If Nintendo is content with what they offer, then so be it, but it's pretty apparent that more people are not buying Nintendo consoles to play Zelda or Mario than are, and most people are going where the 3rd party support is, which I'd imagine also has 1st party content they're interested in.

Nintendo does have extremely strong IP's, and anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. The problem is that Nintendo isn't leveraging that to sell their consoles to more people, because they seemingly don't care that much about 3rd party support. Instead, Nintendo is content with selling to those who only care about their 1st party exclusives, and do nothing to really foster more 3rd party support to allow their install base to have access to a wider selection of games.

Nintendo is selling their console in their own little bubble, and bubbles have a tendency to burst.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

The market could come from third party exclusives, which, if offered up alongside certain key multiplats, might open the way for third party multiplats to sell okay on the system.

But after the way they did last gen ports on Wii U, most people don't expect third parties to do any better with new multiplats on NX, even if the system is powerful enough to handle literally anything the PS4 and XBone can.

Having said that, I agree entirely with your point; it's the first party exclusives, and the actual well-done third party exclusives, that will lead the way to NX's success.
Not the multiplats.
What works for Sony and Micro, won't necessarily work for Nintendo, and that's something that third parties need to accept and learn to work with.
If they can do so, the NX WILL be a profitable platform for them.

@ ED
You're the one that needs to give it a rest.
IT WAS THIRD PARTIES THAT SCREWED UP THEIR PORTS.
NOT NINTENDO.
ROCKSTEADY LIED!
EVEN SHIN-EN MADE BETTER-LOOKING GAMES THAN ROCKSTEADY AND OTHERS DID ON WII U! AND THOSE SAME OTHERS DID JUST FINE ON THE "WEAK HARDWARE" OF THE PS3!

Good lord, quit being such a damned third party APOLOGIST and just ADMIT THAT THIRD PARTIES F***ED UP THEIR CHANCE TO PUT THE RIGHT GAMES ON THE WII U.

You need to accept the fact that NO AMOUNT OF POWER MAKES BAD THIRD PARTY PORTS SELL.
It's NOT all about the power.
IT'S ABOUT THE RIGHT GAMES AND WORKING WELL WITHIN THE BOUNDS OF THE ARCHITECTURE TO DELIVER SYSTEM-MOVING TITLES.
Something that third parties DID NOT DO because they were TOO FOCUSED ON GRAPHICS TO GIVE A PROPER EFFORT.

We're done with this conversation.
Keep kissing up to Rocksteady and the rest of the third parties that ruined the Wii U worse than its architecture ever could; I no longer give a damn.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"The market could come from third party exclusives, which, if offered up alongside certain key multiplats, might open the way for third party multiplats to sell okay on the system."

Buddy, dear god give it a rest.

Its Nintendo.

NOT 3RD PARTY!

Yet developers are breaking records on PC, PS4 and XONE, lots of GOTYs and HUGE sales. Please bud, Wii U got the reception it got from developers because the platform sucked, it was unable to do what they needed, thus they went else were.

Witcher 3
Fallout 4
MGS5
Dying Light
Destiny
The Division
Arkham Knight
and many more moved huge millions, broke records and won awards......all NOT on Wii U. Its not developers buddy, its Nintendo's garbage hardware.

http://www.ign.com/articles...

That system failed literally due to what that developer from Rocksteady stated. They LACKED the hardware to run those games, thus they went else where.

Sony went to 3rd party for their input on PS4, thus got support.
MS went to 3rd party for their input on XONE...thus got support.

Sorry Nintendo was too dumb to understand this concept as those developers have NO ISSUE winning numerous GOTY awards and shifting MEGA MILLIONS on PS4,XONE and PC.

That excuse is pretty tiresome bud as you love running to it with zero examples of those same developers performing that way else where. Funny huh?

[_-EDMIX-_]

@"ROCKSTEADY LIED!" ? O_O
Done.

"ADMIT THAT THIRD PARTIES F***ED UP THEIR CHANCE TO PUT THE RIGHT GAMES ON THE WII U"

? Yet they didn't "F***ED UP" their games on PC, PS4 and XONE? Buddy, help me understand why they are moving record units and getting GOTY awards elsewhere?

"TOO FOCUSED ON GRAPHICS TO GIVE A PROPER EFFORT"?

Sorry but a game isn't just about graphic's, they still need powerful hardware to make the concept work, just like Rocksteady needed the ram to make their concept work.

Get over it. You had a hard time um "confirming" those who would support NX for a reason bud. You are basically saying 99% of the community is to blame. Nintendo doesn't make up the whole damn developer community bud.

Square, Capcom, 2k, Ubisoft, Bethesda Activision, EA, Sega you name it had GREAT reason to not support Wii U, if NX is more of the same, they have the same exact reasons to NOT support NX.

You lied about Square saying they would support NX with DQ and FFXV, funny thing, they are one of the developers who skipped Wii U development and have put a "maybe" on NX. Sorry but you can't keep bashing the whole community.

I mean...you are having trouble even finding a damn developer who supports Nintendo FULLY right now. lol Doesn't that tell you SOMETHING? Even Ubisoft kicked them to the curb and they supported Wii A LOT!

Too expensive to support,weak hardware, missing features, to hard to work on, can't make money on it.....sounds like great reasons to not support a company's hardware.

Happened to Wii, happened to Wii U, why are 3rd party to expect anything less? 12 million user care about a Nintendo console bud, more gamers care about a single Fallout release, then care about AN ENTIRE NINTENDO CONSOLE. That is something to really, really ponder with you're stupid, pathetic, logic. Apparently, its Nintendo vs the world with you. lol.

" Rocksteady and the rest of the third parties that ruined the Wii U' ???? They didn't make the Wii U's hardware, Nintendo did. They can't make a game that needs 8gigs of ram to run on a system that doesn't have that.....

Yet they didn't um "ruin" PS4 or XONE.

Give it a rest, seriously. If they are so bad, their games would not be selling huge millions and getting awards.

Are you seriously not getting Wii U sold only 12 million? If everything Nitnendo made was SOOOOO good, why is Wii U selling 12 million, yet some of the games we are talking about are moving 12, 14, 20 million etc? LMFAO! You sure they "ruined" Wii U? Why are they doing great on other platforms that give them the tools to make greatness then?

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Fallout 4 moved 12 million units in a week. Never mind you're stupid hate for 3rd party developers, facts are facts. Someone is buying PS4, XONE and building a PC to play games like Fallout 4, to the tune of 14 million confirmed, that are NOT buying Wii U because its not on Wii U because its too weak. Battlefront moved 14 million units.....no one cares about you're stupid little bias on 3rd party or you're feelings. The fact of the matter is. MGSV 6 million, Arkham Knight 5 million, Fallout 4 14 million, Battlefront 14 million, COD 20 million plus the list goes on. Don't have the best games, you won't have the best sales.

Its as literal as that bud

[RosweeSon]

Sony and Nintendo are the brands I'm loyal to been around the longest had the best quality especially Nintendo (I'm talking reliability not overall package) and first and foremost they have or have had the biggest and best games of years gone by.

[ABizzel1]

The thing wrong with this thought process, is that core gamers of today aren't buying those game on Nintendo, but there is a new generation of gamers EVERY new console cycle, and those gamers are the ones who need to grow up and associate Nintendo with established franchises. In 10 - 15 years those child gamers will be adults as well with jobs, and that's where Nintendo's return comes from finally having 3rd party's on board.

It's most definitely not going to be an instant success or jump for Nintendo, because those franchises are established elsewhere, but it lets those franchises find homes for new gamers and existing Nintendo only gamers on a Nintendo console.

What Nintendo really needs to do is

1. License out their IP's to 3rd parties so they have a constant stream of exclusives launching on their console every year. They can't make a Pokemon MMO, find a developer who has plenty of experience with MMO's to make it. Pokken Tournamnet & Hyrule Warriors are other great examples, but also simply brining out new versions of old franchises such as Earthbound, F-Zero, Pokemon Snap, and more. They need to flood this console with great exclusives.

2. Buy up retired IP's and bring new-gen updates to cult-classic franchises like Beyond Good and Evil, Shinobi, Crusin' the World, Eternal Darkness, The World Ends with you, and so many more.

3. Partner heavily with Japanese studios. They're the only ones who will back Nintendo's NX almost 100% along with PlayStation 4, so heavily pursue them for developing plenty of JRPGs, Action games, and more.

This is how you turn the NX into a success. Having AAA multiplatform 3rd party franchises will definitely help the image of the NX as a console for all gamers, but these exclusives are what Nintendo needs to really sell the console to current PS4 and XBO owners.

[AdmGenAladeen]

How you got disagrees for stating the obvious is mind boggling.

[Fin_The_Human]

I wonder if Nintendo would make way more money by just becoming a software company and releasing games for all platforms.

If games like Fall Out , GTA and Call of Duty can sell millions I don't see why games like Mario, Zelda and Pokemon can't do the same.

[rainslacker]

I think Nintendo has to work a more to get 2nd and 3rd party exclusive content. They don't do a whole lot of this outside of maybe 1 game a year, and those games tend to be niche, like Bayonetta. Nintendo has their first party down, although some more variety would help move more units, but they are severely lacking on 3rd party support both with compelling exclusive content or console incentives, and support overall.

That support isn't just going to come like it does for Sony, and both MS and Sony spend a lot to get the 3rd party incentives, because they do actually help push consoles. Once Nintendo can get their consoles into people's hands, they can then worry about boosting their software sales for 3rd party to make it easier to get 3rd party support.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

I guess we can assume "If it makes sense" translates to "If the NX gets the install base."

However, this brings up a big contradiction/issue.

The install base won't be big enough for third parties, if third parties aren't there to form it.
Why?
Because apparently, the internet believes that "First party games won't save the NX."
http://n4g.com/news/1905291...

So, following this logic [which I don't fully agree with], if first party games aren't the solution, third party games have to be.
As certain people around here so obviously believe, third parties are what carry ANY system, "especially early on".[ignoring that that hasn't been the case for many of Nintendo's systems now, including handhelds]

The bottom line is that if this is the consensus of third parties, then third parties need to put down their grudges and egos, pull up their frilly stockings, ignore the cries of their apologists and suck-ups who are crying inane things like "No! Don't put money into supporting Nintendo!", and put games into the NX's launch that will be strong enough to ACTUALLY carry the system.

Multiplats like Dragon Quest [which, btw, is already confirmed for NX] and FF15, and a host of exclusives of the same quality as Bayonetta 2, are what third parties need to do, if they want to profit off of the NX.

NOT games like Sniper Elite V2, where an entire mode was cut out, crucial patches were missing, and none of the DLC content was available for purchase.

If they can't, then Nintendo will have no choice but to say "screw what people think" and carry themselves through the NX with a much stronger line-up of first party for the NX's launch than they ever put out for the Wii U's launch.

Of which Zelda is actually a smart financial move, even if it does tick off a lot of Wii U owners.

[Hoffmann]

Whose fault is it that Nintendo systems got less and less third party games since 1996?

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Shared responsibility on that; mostly Nintendo, but after how well third parties did on the PS3 despite the different, and weaker, architecture, and how they failed to sell their ports on Wii despite the fanbase being huge [CoD shows this], third parties need to accept some responsibility, too, for not bringing the right kinds of games to many of those Nintendo systems.
Wrong efforts = bad sales = lack of ongoing support.
Nintendo's mistakes in hardware didn't help matters, but it's not something that third parties couldn't have made lots of profit off of if they had just changed their approach like they did with the PS3.

[Phunkydiabetic1]

@wonderfulmonkeyman

Dude. There is no "shared responsibility". Nintendo has continuously fucked themselves since the N64.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Wonder- "third parties need to accept some responsibility, too"? ?

Nope. Not when they are getting GOTY's and getting record sales else where. Sorry but we all loved Witcher 3, Fallout 4 and MGSV among others last year.

"third parties couldn't have made lots of profit off of if they had just changed their approach like they did with the PS3" PS3 was of that generation, Sony was sending out its own developers to get input to fix relations like they did with Valve literally WITHIN a generation they did that.

Valve at the start of the generation vs at the end of the generation changed their minds COMPLETELY about Sony based on Sony's relations and not having this whole "vs" attitude with 3rd party. You can't keep living in this stupid, ignorant, childish "Shared responsibility", "third parties need to accept some responsibility" etc life when those same 3rd parties are breaking records and winning awards else where.

Sony didn't just cross their arms with PS3 and say "third parties need to accept some responsibility" accepted the mistake and sent out their engineers to solve the issue. ie The Orange Box to Portal 2 and CSGO is NIGHT AND DAY support by Valve that Sony was never going to see if they didn't accept it, move on and lend a hand.

The Orange Box isn't bad because of JUST EA or Valve, its bad because Sony designed a system FOR SONY and not just for the whole community. This didn't help PS gamers. You think I'm happy I don't have L4D1 or 2 for PS3? You think Sony was happy a developer made such statements about them? NO!

Its why PS4 has x86, just like MS was likely embarrassed at all the backlash they suffered the whole gen about DVD, from Kojima, To Sam and Dam Houser, to even John Carmack. XONE had Bluray DAY 1, HDDs in ALL XONE'S DAY !.

GROW UP! You can't keep on with this dumb "third parties need to accept some responsibility" when those same are doing well ELSE WHERE! Where would MS be if they just stated "third parties need to accept some responsibility" about DVD's?

Where would Sony be if they dealt with their Cell design with "third parties need to accept some responsibility"?

They would be losing with PS4, they would not have the same support you see today.
Same with MS. MS couldn't afford another gen with a lessor format, even the GTA devs threatened to not even support them if they didn't fix their space issue.

Diversify or Die. You can't just ignorantly keep blaming others, yet those same are doing WONDERS somewhere else. So much for "third parties need to accept some responsibility" when they shift record units and win record awards right bro?

[kneon]

It's not the third party developers responsibility to "carry the system". They want to make the biggest ROI they can, so if it doesn't make financial sense to port to the NX then they won't.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

I get that, but you also have to understand that third parties are the ones that decide how big that ROI will be, through virtue of the kinds of games offered.

If they lead off with more last-gen ports that have tons of stuff cut out like they did with the Wii U, instead of interest-grabbing exclusives and well done multiplats, then no amount of power will help them get a decent ROI.

Third parties need to MAKE the NX make financial sense for them.
Nintendo can't do that for them in any way other than making the system powerful.

Also, third parties carry every other system with their multiplats, be they new or last gen, except for Nintendo's systems.
It didn't need to be their "responsibility"; they did it because they wanted the profits.
Weaker/different architecture didn't stop them on the PS3, so it serves as a poor excuse going forwards.
That's not down solely to the power of the systems; it's down to the quality of content on offer.
And third parties didn't offer that same quality on Wii U, in their last-gen ports, and failed to compensate for that with exclusives that would have made up for it and carried the system.

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Wonder- "you also have to understand that third parties are the ones that decide how big that ROI will be, through virtue of the kinds of games offered"

No. the ROI can be reflected on Nintendo's design. Wii U is more expensive to developer for because its not x86, thus they have a different ROI.

"Third parties need to MAKE the NX make financial sense for them" ??

Why do you keep desperately trying to push this concept with zero proof, evidence or examples of any 3rd party NEEDING to do this?

3rd parties have PC, PS and XB that give them the tools they need, the install base needed and the power needed. It is up for Nintendo to create a platform that is easy enough for them to port from and to, powerful enough to support certain concepts and clearly cheap enough for them to see a return.

"Nintendo can't do that for them in any way other than making the system powerful" O_O? Sooooo why are you asking of developers to um " MAKE the NX make financial sense for them." if its up to Nintendo to fix their hardware, NOT developers?

That isn't a 3rd party developers job to fix the mess Nintendo has going on. This company at this state is seriously going to go out of business if they don't go 3rd party. At this point, I don't think they can survive as a hardware company.

You are suggesting its up to the developer to work with expensive complex hardware.....just because. They don't need to do that on PC, PS or XB so why do it for Nintendo?

Do you seriously not get business? Like...even slightly? Don't you understand that 3rd parties don't actually need to do anything for Nintendo and Nintendo needs to do something for the 3rd parties?

The retail store offers the space and freezers to the vendors.

The Ice Cream Vendor will only support the store of the store serves their functions.

If the retail store states "Vendors need to MAKE our RETAIL STORE make financial sense for them"

Guess how many really seek to work with said Retailer? All they do is open the doors for Wal Mart, Publix, Target etc to all say " Retail stores need to MAKE the store make financial sense for the Vendor" annnnnnnnnnnnnd good buy Retail competitor ie Nintendo.

Keep on with that stupid anti-third party BS bud, Sony and MS will gladly take them in with welcome arms saying "We have that ram upgrade you asked for, we have online now, we have accounts now, we have x86 now, we use that format now, all HDDs in all devices for you" and so on.

Soooooooooo who are Nintendo really battling against? The WHOLE community? LMFAO! Who cares? Let them keep this up and watch NX turn into Wii U 2, but worse. Sony and MS would literally WELCOME Nintendo to be this stupid.

[kneon]

@wonderfulmonkeyman

Support from a few third party devs will make no difference, so what you're suggesting requires that the third party devs have to act as one and all support the NX, that's not going to happen.

The problem is that Nintendo systems have not done well for third party developers. They would all be better off if Nintendo got out of the hardware business, they want as few platforms as needed to reach the biggest audience. Gamers that only buy Nintendo consoles are a small minority so supporting the NX is unlikely to make sense for most developers, unless by some miracle it becomes wildly popular.

Making games is a business, and so they have to remove their fanboy goggles when making such decisions.

[rainslacker]

Third party also knows that they can help establish a system, which can in turn establish their own productions. It's not all isolated to the system makers being ultimately responsible. However, there has to be some level of assurance that the system is going to make it in the mainstream to get that early support from publishers, because otherwise, they're going to lose money. Sony and MS do pay for 2nd party content for the early years, but the reason they both get support is that the publishers are pretty confident that Sony and MS will make sure the system sells as much as possible, taking every advantage they can. Nintendo doesn't really have this same attitude, and instead relies almost solely on it's 1st party, with a dash of 2nd party thrown in to draw some attention. Unfortunately, the 1st/2nd party stuff isn't enough to drive console sales to the point where the system is viable for publishers to expend their own resources for the long term. Nintendo tends to have a very narrow focus on what market it's going to appeal to, and in the end, they really only appeal to those who really like Nintendo exclusives, and ignore the majority of gamers who want more varied and plentiful experiences.

[_-EDMIX-_]

"Because apparently, the internet believes that "First party games won't save the NX."

They won't.

Did it save Wii U?

PS4 and XONE by no means are selling JUST because their first party games.

Those platforms have and will have the next

Final Fantasy XV (not a maybe buddy, GUARANTEED)
MGS5
Kingdom Hearts 3
Fallout 4
Witcher 3
Mass Effect 4
Resident Evil 7
Elder Scrolls VI
new Assassins Creed
Call Of Duty
Battlefield
Mirrors Edge
Deus Ex
Hitman
Nier 2

....before we bring up the mega's like GTA or Red Dead
-
and
new ips like The Division
Destiny
Dying Light
For Honor
Ghost Recon Wildlands
Battleborne
Overwatch
and seriously.....the list just goes on and on and on.

THAT IS A LOT TO NOT GET! Like...an insane amount. Mind you, I'm still getting The Last Guardian and Horizon Zero Dawn, no doubt, but MOST will have MORE 3rd parties bought then first party, the numbers support such a concept. As to why you really, REALLY think Nintendo's IPs will SOLELY sell the platform and beat PS4 or XONE is BEYOND ME!

The number's DON'T support that concept. Even EA being on of the TOP publishers in the world, had no pull with their Origin network compared to Steam and they actually sell more games then Nintendo and Origin is free....its free buddy lol It just goes to show you, no publisher is SOOOOOO good that they can outsell ALL OTHER publishers if they made a platform.

Not even the number 1 publisher in the world can do that. I'd rather take that whole list if it was a choice between ALL publishers but 1 vs only 1 of the best publisher in the world.

Also "Multiplats like Dragon Quest [which, btw, is already confirmed for NX] and FF15" ? Buddy, stop lying please. You stated you knew for fact that they had some 3rd parties, went to go search to see if it was confirmed, yet never replied back with a link, now you are still trying to lie to others in hopes that they will just ignore you're lie.

http://www.dualshockers.com...

and

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/r...

"under consideration" for NX and not officially confirmed" Why did you lie bud? Seriously? Is it really that hard to face what you found out? Why didn't you just reply back to me when I asked about sources, links etc on you're findings? "There are at least two or three that have definitely said yes, but I'll have to go checking through the net for a bit to confirm"

Yet... http://n4g.com/news/1908081...

Smh, yet you never confirmed anything, yet come on this page to lie AGAIN about something that was questioned by you a day ago? Sad bud. At least be truthful about you're post. No one is trying to win hear, no one is trying to kill you, we are just speculating. No need to resort to lying to desperately try to paint a picture. Saddest thing I've seen on this site thus far.

[Hoffmann]

So why do you think you get less and less agrees to your posts in Nintendo related comment sections here but a lot disagrees?

Is nobody able anymore to understand you? Is it because the content you provide is less and less liked?

[superchiller]

wonderfulmonkeyman knows very well why he consistently gets many disagrees; no matter how bad Nintendo's products and policies are, he blindly defends everything they do, and tries to shift the blame elsewhere. Nintendo's problems are all the fault of Nintendo itself, yet he literally never holds that company accountable. It's always someone else's fault, never Nintendo's fault.

With blind support for poor products and decisions from fans like wmm, it's no wonder that the company is failing.

[NextGenCeo]

Nintendo NX defintly not a X86 base!

[opinionated]

Modern Nintendo relies manly on first and second party titles to support its hardware. I don't expect that to change any time soon. Hopefully they get their first and second party lineup in order for a few years before they end up with another wiiu. The software shortage killed any prospect.

I wouldn't bet on any of the big publishers to show long term support. I can see Nintendo continue to publish smaller studios like platinum or comcept for exclusive titles.

[EddieNX]

Nintendo have to provide the right environment for devs to flourish. As much as I love WiiU it definitely alienated 3rd parties. As long as the NX has little to no bottle necks or gimmiks, we'll see all sorts on it. The 3DS as a platform proves you dont need EA, UBI etc to be a success but we all want to see Nintendo get all 3rd party support.

[Big_Game_Hunters]

Does this even need to be said. Thats just business.

[Miacosa]

Absolutely agree with EA on being cautious on their support of Nintendo. After all Nintendo does an awesome job on their in-house titles but provides little support or incentive for most 3rd parties. However, if the NX console is viable and not gimmick driven then most 3rd parties will likely make ports if not roll the dice and make something exclusive.

[showtimefolks]

it's not on nintendo, it's on nintendo fans. they buy nintendo home consoles for exclusives and play 3rd party games on ps,xbox or pc. there is a huge data backing up my claim that 3rd party games don't sell on nintendo home consoles

the last console to get the 3rd party support was snes and since than it's been going downhill.

wii was a once in a life time kind of gimmick now nintendo really needs to produce a core console and hopefully fans will support it

wiiu was a huge failure

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Nintendo fans won't buy crappy ports, though.
And Nintendo can't force them to do so.
So third parties need to step up and offer compelling software.

Just because it's working "in record numbers" for PS4 and XBone doesn't mean that those same games would sell on NX, if they came out with anything missing like they almost always did on Wii U.

[showtimefolks]

i agree with you on that. NX games must launch day and day to really see how sales are affected

[_-EDMIX-_]

"So third parties need to step up and offer compelling software"

You mean Nintendo needs to "step up" with their hardware?

I mean...that is the reason why developers didn't support the platform buddy.

"Just because it's working "in record numbers" for PS4 and XBone doesn't mean that those same games would sell on NX"

Buddy, those games won't even touch an NX if its using proprietary hardware like Wii and Wii U.

Want games? Ask Nintendo to make better hardware. Developers don't support crap hardware, its not worth the time.

Yet you wonder why those games are moving millions on PC, PS4 and XONE? smh. too funny. They had no issue stepping up their "software" on other platforms.

[Dunban67]

The most interesting aspect of EA s comments are that they don t know YET if the NX is going to make sense- That means they don t have the info they need from Nintendo and/or assurances they need from Nintendo- IF EA does not know yet if the NX will make sense then it is almost assured that most major western developers also do not know if the NX will make sense- And the devs/publishers smaller than EA can afford even less to take a risk on the NX before they know enough to be comfortable and/or until Nintendo makes the environment/situation suitable for 3rd parties
If these 3rd party devs don t have the info/assurances they need by now - i can t imagine they will have much for the launch

[MetalNCarnet]

They will never make games for a Nintendo system again, because Nintendo fans only buy 1st party games. This has been the way of things since the N64. Eventually, their fans will tire from playing just Mario and Zelda games. That's when Nintendo will stop making consoles. I am making my prediction now, the NX will be Nintendo's last home console.

[rjason12]

Well obviously, if a third party company can make money from a system they will try to, be it good games, or shovelware. Look at the Wii, so many companies thought it "makes sense" to develop games for that systems because they could do it cheaply with little to no effort.

[Stealth20k]

NX will see a ton of third party support.

Not like X1 is doing well and software is selling well on it right now. Yet nobody talks about it

[Dunban67]

what makes you think the NX will have "tons" of 3rd party support?

[Stealth20k]

We already know 5-6 companies supporting it and the thing has not even been shown yet

[Dunban67]

Stealth20k: "We already know 5-6 companies supporting it and the thing has not even been shown yet"

That was similar for the Wii U- there was alot of noise made about third party support to get people excited about the console and to think it would "be different this time" but by the end of the launch window it was all but gone-
We won t know for sure what kind of 3rd party support the NX will have beyond launch (or even for launch so far) but the fact EA does not have an idea yet re their plans for the NX it is not a good sign - at least as far as western Dev s go

[Stealth20k]

Except we know Square, Tecmo, Capcom, Level 5, all the Japanese devs are all in. They were not on Wii U ever

[DashMad]

Well the NX probably will have more Japanese dev support than we expect mostly came from PSP/Vita dev that will probably jump ship into NX handheld since it's unlikely that Sony will release PSVita successor that will force them either to goes full mobile or support the NX handheld. If the rumor of NX is Shared platform is true then yes the NX Console obviously will have more support than Wii U since we can probably play NX handheld game on console at least from Japanese dev.

[Stealth20k]

This article is factless and pretty terrible.

[AKR]

Oh, so you commented on the site and here to. Mind giving an ACTUAL reason why you think so?

[Segata]

There was a rumor a while back that Nintendo and EA had a big meeting together about special edition consoles with bundled EA games for NX. Also we can't forget EA didn't abandon Wii U over sales. Because Nintendo refused to let Origin be Wii Us sole online system managed by EA. So then we got a half assed port of ME 3 a gimped port of Madden 13 and they cancelled a nearly finished version of Crysis 3 on Wii U that supposedly was running rather well on the system.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

Exactly.
Much like the third party apologists on this article that refuse to blame third parties for their own terrible ports, and are instead blaming the system.
A poor workman blames his tools.

[Stealth20k]

The ports on Wii U were trash......Nintendo fans buy third party games if they are good. Look on 3DS with Yokai or Monster Hunter, or Bravely, or any number of third party games.

[Dunban67]

such as? The article is pretty accurate- The people that run most of these companies (and all the larger companies) don t care what company they do business with so long as they feel they will make money or at least put themselves in position to make the most money with the least risk- some may do so better than others and some may take slightly more risk than others but in the end they all have investors, shareholders, Board of Directors etc to answer too- They don t favor 1 particular brand or console- they favor the business environment that best suits their efforts and investments/potential investments

[Ark_]

Patrick Soderlund: "I personally and the company are huge fans of Nintendo, they're the reason why I started making games."
"We're in constant communication with them and when they come to market something - and if it makes sense for us - we'll be there."

It was actually an interview about BF1, if I remember correctly. And that's the full quote btw.
People are reading a bit much between the lines imo.
If it makes sense financially, they will be there and develop for whatever the NX is. Pretty common sense.

[superchiller]

At this point it's pretty clear that 3rd party developers are done with Nintendo consoles. Nintendo's arrogance in producing whatever gimmicky hardware they want, without consulting other developers, is one of a long list of reasons that they're not going to bother in the future. Why waste time developing games for Nintendo hardware, when most of the very fans who ardently support Nintendo won't bother to buy 3rd party games? That ship sailed a long time ago.

[jcnba28]

Nintendo fans do buy third party games, if they are good. Bayonetta 2 is a clear example of this. Even more so with 3DS.

Unlike PS4 and X1 fans who continue to buy broken games day 1 that require patches.

Nintendo fans buy quality games. Not trash.

[rjason12]

So now a gaming company should get permission on how to make their consoles? That's bullshit, I remember when devs liked trying to figure out new hardware to build the best possible games, now it's "oh your new system better be exactly the same as the other two so that we don't have to do any hard work"

[superchiller]

No, they don't need to "get permission" from outside developers on how to make their consoles. But if they don't bother to even solicit feedback about their plans, then they obviously don't care about getting solid 3rd party support. And in the case of the Wii U, this is exactly what happened.

The result? Very few developers were on board with the console, and it failed. If that's what you want to happen for the NX, by all means, keep supporting Nintendo's approach.

[rjason12]

They have tried to work with third parties, they've actually done a lot of headway this gen with collaborations compared to previous gens.

[3-4-5]

* 3DS gets amazing 3rd party support and it's much less powerful than the Vita. No reason the NX shouldn't get good 3rd party support. It has the potential for it as it's the new console on the market( or will be ).

Square Enix is supporting it...I'm thinking many others will too.

[zb1ftw777]

Its not about power.

Its about market share and development costs.

If the NX grabs decent market share and allows devs to easily develop for it, they will.

Otherwise, nope, the NX will flop.

[Hotabang]

do we really need "news" like this
publisher says ' we may or may not make games for this console ' >_______________<

[Antifan]

If nintendo is going back to cartridges or something other than bluray, they can say goodbye to any third-party support - not that nintendo cares, tho.

[DivineAssault]

If it costs a lot to develop for it and the games dont sell, they lose out. I hope the console "makes sense" but wouldnt they know by now??? Dev kits should be in big companies hands already.

[fungusar]

It has nothing to do with the hardware, the Wii sucked but still outsold the Xbox and Playstation

[superchiller]

But in the end, when the waggle gimmick fad fizzled out, the Wii died years before the competition. And burned all the fans who bought it. And it was completely unable to run multiplats from the other two consoles, another factor that contributed to its early demise.

So yes, it does have a lot to do with power. If the NX is another gimmicky, low-spec piece of hardware like the Wii and Wii U, it'll be dead on arrival.

[mochachino]

If Wii U doesn't get proper 3rd party support it will be the Wii U all over again.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

If third party make crap games on Nintendo system I am not buying them. Especially for Western Publishers. Nintendo fans support great third party games. Nintendo 3DS prove it.

Out of 32 games in my 3DS collection 15 are Third Parties.
Bravely Second
Senran Kagura 2: Deep Crimson
Bravely Default
Shin Megami Tensei IV
Yo-Kai Watch
Etrian Odyssey IV.
Tales of the Abyss
Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward
Conception II
Senran Kagura Burst
Attack on Titan: Humanity in Chains
Resident Evil Revelations
Rhythm Thief & the Emperor's Treasure
Theatrhythm Final Fantasy
Code of Princess

and that not all of them. I still need to get the following(Includes a few Nintendo games):
Rune Factory 4
Lord of Magna: Maiden Heaven
Stella Glow
The Legend of Legacy
Etrian Odyssey Untold 1-2
Shin Megami Tensei: Devil Survivor 1-2
Hatsune Miku: Project Mirai DX
Mario Golf: World Tour
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney 1-3 Collection
Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Dual Denstinies
Project X Zone 1- 2
Final Fantasy Explorers
Fantasy Life
Inazume Eleven
One Piece Unlimited World Red
Hyrule Warriors Legends
Little Battlers eXperience
Persona Q

Unsure List:
Codename: S.T.E.A.M
Mario & Luigi: Paper Jam
Theatrhythm Final Fantasy: Curtain Call
Professor Layton vs Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney
=================
Then there upcoming games:
7th Dragon III Code: VFD
Dragon Quest VII and VIII
Pokemon Moon
Shin Megami Tensei IV: Apocalypse
Yo-kai Watch 2
Ace Attorney 6
Kirby Giant Robobot
Metroid Prime: Federation Force -

Hopefully localization of
Dragon Ball: Fusion
Monster Hunter Stories

More third parties games in my list for 3DS games to have in my collection than first. Why because Japanese Developers are Nintendo only REAL third party support. They didn't support the Wii U much because they had the 3DS. Which why Nintendo collaborate with Japanese Developers with Wii U games to get them over. Combining their division to make NX bring both front together. Resulting Capcom, KOEI Tecmo, Spike Chunsoft, Square Enix, Namco Bandai and Level-5 the only developers so far either confirming a game by accident, considering developing for it or confirming they are supporting it(KOEI Tecmo).

Don't expect Nintendo fans to by into the same crap yall get.

[superchiller]

"Don't expect Nintendo fans to by into the same crap yall get."

See, that snobby superior attitude is a common problem among diehard Nintendo fans like you. The funny thing is, you have no reason to act superior, when Nintendo's reputation has fallen so far in the gaming industry and community, all of their recent products have been gimmicky junk, and their gaming libraries are pitifully small and weak. You're living in your own little world, oblivious to the reality that Nintendo just isn't relevant anymore. Very sad.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

I don't give damn if Nintendo reputation falls or rise. As long as I get great games and experiences. That all that matters. Because I am a gamer. Not an investor. You seem to care more about Nintendo than Nintendo fans do. Yet you call them irrelevant.

[superchiller]

@ Otaku - Well you SHOULD care, because in a short period of time, Nintendo will be forced to exit the gaming hardware business permanently. Then they'll either attempt to make games for the other platforms, or just sell off all their IPs to the highest bidder. It's a very selfish, close-minded -attitude you have, which really doesn't benefit Nintendo at all. With supposed "fans" like you, Nintendo's future really does look very bleak.

And where did I say anything about investors? Nowhere at all.

But if that's what you want, by all means continue to live in your narrow-minded little world.

[iTechHeads]

It's a Nintendo console. Don't expect anything different this time around.

[BLAKHOODe]

I know little info has been released about the Nintendo NX and I haven't cared about a Nintendo product in a long time, but I have a good feeling about the NX. I'm actually excited for it.

[3-4-5]

* Square Enix is supporting the NX, I'm sure a few other awesome 3rd party studios will as well.

[clouds5]

Yeah everyone said that with the wii u and look how it turned out... Btw i have a wii u and it's a great system, but I'd suggest the wait and see game from anything nintendo these days.

[Herbalistic]

The huge western 3rd party publishers aren't going to support the machine unless they are sure Nintendo fans are gonna buy their software