Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE Footage from PAX East Appears to Confirm More Changes for the West

Further evidence of alterations in Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE appeared in footage from PAX East.

[Stealth20k]

Not a big deal at all.

All JRPGs get costume changes like this, some worse than others, but who are we to judge.

If the choice was this never gets localized, or we get a few minor costume edits. I will take the minor costume edits every time.

By the way, Atlus censored Persona 2, Dungeon Travellers 2, Persona Q, SMT IV and more but this is automatically Nintendo's fault right?

[Abriael]

LOL.

"All JRPGs get costume changes like this"

Utterly false.

There is a TON of JRPGs out there that don't get this kind of changes. If you think all JRPGs (or even the majority) get costume changes for the west, then you simply don't play many JRPGs.

"some worse than others, but who are we to judge."

The paying costumers.

And comparing changing Hitler with replacing panties and covering cleavages shows just how disingenuous this kind of haphazard defense is.

[Stealth20k]

"There is a TON of JRPGs out there that don't get this kind of changes. If you think all JRPGs (or even the majority) get costume changes for the west, then you simply don't play many JRPGs. "

More than 75% of JRPGs get some kind of change like this. Considering I am considered one of the formost experts on JRPGs, that is a little disingenuous.

"And comparing changing Hitler with replacing panties and covering cleavages shows just how disingenuous this kind of haphazard defense is."

Atlus did that with Dungeon Travellers 2, SMT IV, Persona Q, tons of games they change costumes and models for....... Oh and yes in Persona 2 they did change Hitler, they also changed costumes and dialogue. But I love how this is automatically Nintendo's fault.

Update: So you have nothing to say to the fact that Atlus changed costumes/dialogue for SMT IV, Dungeon Travellers, Persona Q, Devil Survivor 1/2, Devil Summoner and other games? Not a shocker. But this is clearly Nintendo's fault right? Not much of a journalist if you ask me..........

[Abriael]

"More than 75% of JRPGs get some kind of change like this"

I wouldn't make up statistics if I were you, because this one is ludicrous.

"I am considered one of the formost experts on JRPGs"

I'm sure you consider yourself one of the (what?) experts on JRPGs.

As for others, just lol. Considering your obvious brand affiliation, you really need to expand your horizons a bit. There are a ton of awesme JRPGs out there released outside of the influence of Nintendo's family friendly policies.

[Stealth20k]

Atlus has a bigger history of changing games than Nintendo does. But of course, that would not be as interesting a story.

Oh, and like SMT IV, I would not be surprised if SMT IV Apocalypse gets the same kind of dialogue/costume/model edits, but of course, it is Nintendo that is to blame when we know Atlus is localizing this right?

[Abriael]

Keep up the improvised defense mate. I'm sure Nintendo is grateful. Lol.

And you mean localizing on Nintendo's platforms? lol. Because the games you mention (besides Dungeon Travelers, which has content that borders on the hentai, and is a completely different case, but the disingenuous comparison is notable) that's what they all have in common.

On the other hand, Atlus games don't get this kind of alterations on other platforms. Wonder why?

[Stealth20k]

"And you mean localizing on Nintendo's platforms? lol. Because ALL of the games you mention (besides Dungeon Travelers, which has content that borders on the hentai, and is a completely different case) that's what they all have in common."

SMT Nocturne got changed, so did Digital Devil Saga, so did Devil Summoner on Sony platforms. Platform makes no difference with regards to Atlus edits. Which is fine, a great game is a great game regardless of minor localization changes.

Oh, so now you are deciding what content it is ok to cut and which content it is not ok to cut. Wow.......

All I am saying is it is embarrassing if you call yourself a journalist to blame Nintendo for this when we do not have all the facts and Atlus has a history of changes just as much as Nintendo does and they are the ones localizing the game.

In fact, speaking to people from the Treehouse, Nintendo's influence on this game in general as been minimal. Hell if you actually wanted to have a real discussion offline, I would give you the entire story behind the scenes on this game.

[Abriael]

Keep up the excuses. You're pulling out extremely old games from a time in which changes were a lot more widespread than now.

Luckily those times are long gone, at least for most (excluding Nintendo).

And lol at "speaking with treehouse." Considering their influence on many of this kind of changes, there's zero surprise that they consider Nintendo's influence as minimal.

As for "deciding what content it is ok to cut and which content it is not ok to cut." Dungeon travelers' content would have obviously influenced rating, possibly all the way to AO. Nothing here would have the slightest influence on rating. The disingenuous comparison on your part is evident. it has nothing to do with ok or not ok.

Being a journalist doesn't mean not having eyes and not being able to connect the dots, as much as people like you would rather everyone stay blind.

Well, I have a newsflash for you. People already know, and the more Nintendo pushes this neutering agenda, the more people will know.

[Stealth20k]

"Keep up the excuses. You're pulling out extremely old games from a time in which changes were a lot more widespread than now."

You are making excuses too........Atlus has changed games as recently as last year.....same with Sony (especially with Last of US in certain regions), Nintendo, Square, pretty much everyone........

"As for "deciding what content it is ok to cut and which content it is not ok to cut." Dungeon traveler's content would have obviously influenced rating, possibly all the way to AO. Nothing here would have the slightest influence on rating"

You really do not know that. What if Atlus and Nintendo did not want this game to get an M for Mature? Their call. You make as many excuses as I do lol

I mean the sad part is you baselessly blame Nintendo for this game, when you do not know the real story at all. That is sad to me.

[Abriael]

The regional changes made to The Last of Us were made in response to actual legislation (and I mean legislation with legal repercussions, not even rating board regulations, that don't have legal value in most countries). Absolutely nothing of that applies here.

Do you have some other misplaced and disingenuous comparisons to make?

"You really do not know that. What if Atlus and Nintendo did not want this game to get an M for Mature? "

We know exactly what causes an M rating. All rating boards have their parameters very explicitly and publicly spelled out. Absolutely nothing in this game (in its original form) gets even close to that.

"That is sad to me."

I'm quite sure that any form of bringing Nintendo to call for any reason makes you sad. Well, too bad. We aren't here to make you happy.

[Stealth20k]

The truth would make me happy but that seems not to matter here, you just come up with excuse after excuse.

The Truth is Atlus is localizing the game and they have made the decisions, not Nintendo in this instance. That is a fact. I have heard that from 3 members of the treehouse.

But if you want to keep up your Nintendo Vendetta, so be it.

[Abriael]

The truth is that Nintendo has been on a neutering crusade on a large majority of the JRPG (and other Japanese games developed by second and third parties) it publishes, with a lot of changes that are absolutely disproportionate to any rating board requirement, and have nothing to do with legislation.

Another part of that truth is that they blame "requirements and regulations" that simply don't exist, in order to put up a smoke screen, hoping that fans wouldn't know better.

The truth is out there, and you seem very intent in trying to deny it.

[Stealth20k]

It is true that Nintendo made changes to Xenoblade X and Fire Emblem (which did nothing to stop sales or critical acclaim), but in this instance they did not.

"Nintendo has been on a neutering crusade on a large majority of the JRPG (and other Japanese games developed by second and third parties) it publishes" Not Bayonetta........Not Dragon Quest VII........Not Bravely Second.....Not most games actually

Like I said, you have an angry vendetta, that has no room for fact or reason.

In the case of Tokyo Mirage Sessions, the decisions lay with Atlus. Period.

[Abriael]

Because Nintendo says so? Nintendo also says that the changes are due to "requirements and regulations" in target countries, which is also objectively false.

You're trying way too hard.

This kind of decisions are normally taken on a publisher level, not on a developer level.

"Not Bravely Second"

Seriously? Are you for real? They went as far as censoring its *artbook,* Not just the game.

[Stealth20k]

I believe my friends at the treehouse over you in this instance. No offense.

You are the one trying way to hard to slander Nintendo.....not me.

[Abriael]

Feel free to believe "your friends" the censors on who does the censorship. Lol.

The funny part, is that you accuse others of not being objective.

[Stealth20k]

By the way my friends at Atlus have also told me the same thing. They are also censorers. The thing is, they still make amazing games, so who cares at the end of the day. Same with Nintendo.

[Abriael]

Sure mate. And Her Majesty the Queen of England told me her recipe for Porridge. It's yummy.

The fact that you justify nonsensical censorship says it all.

Luckily history teaches that the battles against censorship always end up being won, no matter how some defend this kind of disgraceful practice. It's just a matter of time.

[Stealth20k]

Do not be jealous of my connections. It is unbecoming.

I am not pro censorship. I just do not care. For 30 years of game buying games have been changed in the west. That will never change.

Instead of annoyingly complaining about it, I play video games and enjoy them.

SMT IV apocalypse will see changes in the West, so will Final Fantasy, so will just about every other JRPG getting localized. Does not really change the fact that I will buy and enjoy them.

After Pax the overwhelming feeling about Tokyo Mirage was positive. The people screaming about this are the minority.

Edit: Since when is one Tales game most games? I listed 10+ games that got edits pretty recently and you come back with just one? Come on. I expected better of you. Oh and with regards to Xseed, The Trails games they have been bringing out? Changes too.

If we want to talk about games with changes look no further than Star Ocean......

[Abriael]

Oh, don't worry, after 18 years working in this industry, I don't believe I have to envy anyone's "connections" (real or alleged, but the sole fact that you think that your "connections" are enviable is hilarious).

Things will change. They always change. They changed with film, they changed with rock. They changed with fashion. They changed with anime. They will change with games as well.

As for your usual false "every JRPG gets changed" point: do some learning. You need it.
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"I believe that those who support the Tales Of series like to have exactly the same content as the Japanese version. We believe it’s ideal and the best option to bring exactly the same game experience and design to the western countries"
-Tales of Berseria Producer Yasuhiro Fukaya

Standing up against something as disgusting as censorship is in no shape or form in conflict with playing and enjoying the games.

But feel free to stand up for the neutering of a different game development culture in order to defend your brand loyalty. Luckily position like yours tend to be dropped in the bin by the passing of time.

[RPGrinder]

Atlus has changed more JRPGs than Nintendo has recently. It is a non deal. But this is dualshockers. Not surprised.

[wheresmymonkey]

Really, The American/ European version of Devil's Third is identical to the Japanese one. all the rsique costumes made it into Fatal Frame as well.

This is to satisfy the ratings board and it doesn't effect the actual game at all.

[gamer7804]

so by this logic, since another company does it, it makes it okay? Of course not, but why submit yourself to the nintendo + another publisher who censors. That is unless you don't care about getting visually a different game. Many of us wan't our art to remain intact.

[RPGrinder]

So never buy another localized Japanese game because I do not know what to tell you. They all have changes. Whether it is visual or dialogue changes, every localization has changes.

Buy them from Japan only.

[gamer7804]

@RPGrinder

It used to be mainly just changes 1 digit of text from age teen to 18-19. Now they are doing more nonsensical changes, so therefore i don't accept that argument. And yes, there are so many japanese RPG's to choose from, i'd rather choose from a selection that keeps the culture intact from whence it came. Some i will buy from japan if i really want them but many still don't have english subtitles.

[BrandanT]

I honestly don't mind dialogue change too much. Some expressions and phrases in Japanese either don't translate well or not entirely understood by another country. If it's slightly altered to have English slang and its phrases to create a more natural dialogue for the game's audience, then I'm perfectly fine.

[Segata]

Localization. It's been around for 30 plus years. Sony changed Grandia's Alcohol to coffee. SEGA changed Alcohol to Loqua in Skies of Arcadia. Some changes for made for Shining Force. Star Ocean V changed a characters undies. It's not censorship just making something more acceptable for a western audience as the West esp the US has different more conservative views on sex. Japan has a show guys get Handjobs while singing..edgiest thing US has on Network TV is The View. This is not a big deal. It's a non issue. It's just popular to turn anthills into mountains with a small minority freaking out over something they were never going to buy anyway. This game esp was made with Japanese audience in mind with Jpop idols and the 109 building. It's amazing we are getting it at all. I am hyped and my CE special edition is staying Pre-ordered.

[RPGrinder]

Atlus has a history of making changes too. Only DualShockers would falsely lead you to believe Nintendo is the only one who makes changes to games. He blocks anyone on his site who disagrees with him. It is pretty sad. There is a reason his site is blacklisted.

Thank you for being smart.

[gamer7804]

this worries me about nintendo, makes me even more cautious about buying any more of their consoles if all their games brought to the west don't remain intact from the original artists' vision.

[wheresmymonkey]

i don't understand why people keep banging on about this. Manhunt was censored, this is localisation. You know what will happen if Nintendo released the uncut Japanese version as is in the US.. It would get an M rating. I think Ninty will be aiming for a T.

[gamer7804]

So by all means, lets just not have anymore M rated games from atlus or nintendo...

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

If this is something people will complain about. Such as age change and shadow under skirt.

Stop playing games immediately.

But FFS this isn't CENSORSHIP.

http://nintendoeverything.c...

All DLC included. At 7:30

[ZeekQuattro]

I see people blaming Nintendo for censoring the game even though Atlus is behind localizing it. Wow.....