PS4's Success Over Xbox One Is The Reason Why Dungeons 2 Is Not Launching On Microsoft's Console

Realmforge Studios' strategy and simulation game Dungeons 2 will be launching on the PlayStation 4 next month.

[Mpl90]

This is what happens for smaller games and developers with limited resources: though choices have to be made about where to launch a game. Of course the lesser selling / lesser fitting console is left behind

[G20WLY]

Exactly this. It's a shame, but they'll go where the big bucks are first and may never make it to the other platforms due to time or budgetary constraints that could otherwise eat into the next game's development.

[Automatic79]

That's not always necessarily true look at a game like SOMA which launched on the more popular PS4. The game flopped for being on a single platform. It would have benefited from launching on both consoles.

[gangsta_red]

Exactly, Tearaway(?) flopped also. And I am sure there are other games that launched on the more popular system that didn't do the expected sales.

Being on the most popular system doesn't guarantee you success. You would think a smaller company would manage to find as many outlets as possible to have their game on.

[_-EDMIX-_]

How do you know they could even afford that type of development?

[Sunny_D]

Tearaway is a game that was designed by a first party studio. There would be no point wondering how it would do on another system because it wouldn't happen.

[TFJWM]

SOMA didn't flop it might not have sold alot but it did ok.

What makes you think that porting to other platforms would have even paid for the cost of the port, they are very small and it took them 5 years just to make SOMA on PC and PS4.

[ShadowKnight]

Soma didn't flop lol.

[maniacmayhem]

I don't think SOMA flopped but it's definitely not doing the numbers the creators might have wanted to do, especially compared to other games like it.

http://frictionalgames.blog...

[Chevalier]

@Gangsta

"You would think a smaller company would manage to find as many outlets as possible to have their game on."

Maybe learn to read. The interview clearly touched on that issue. They are a small studio that doesn't have the manpower or resources to do that. Hence they said it's a tough position they're in they choose the option with the highest opportunity for success. It may end up like Tropico 5 (also by Kalypso games fyi) which is now releasing on Xbox One after making money off PS4 and PC sales.

[TripleCs]

@gangsta_red

"Being on the most popular system doesn't guarantee you success"

You and MichaelLito79 are completely missing the point.. I don't think this developer or anyone here is saying that putting your games on the most popular system will automatically guarantee or grant you success but what it will do is give you a higher chance at success if your game is on the system with the larger install base vs the system with a smaller install base which makes sense because the larger your install base is the more potential customers you have to sell your game too.

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

Nice try, but SOMA didn't flop.

[killer_goat]

But it does increase your chances of success.

[pyroxxx]

did not flop because it was on a single platform,.. (PS it is on PC forever)Maybe flopped cause it is not very good,..

[gangsta_red]

@Chevalier

Maybe learn to comprehend, I read the article and fully aware of their situation which is why I said,

"You would think a smaller company would manage to find as many outlets as possible to have their game on."

Meaning that even if you are small you still find ways to get your product out to as many people as possible.

@BadboyC

"the system with a smaller install base which makes sense because the larger your install base is the more potential customers you have to sell your game too."

Smaller by how much though? People are acting like the install base for Xbox One is so small that a game like this has no chance of becoming a hit if it was on Xbox One only.

And like I said before there is no bigger chance of a higher install base guaranteeing your game is a success. There is a much higher chance of that if your game is on as many different outlets as possible.

[Wh15ky]

@gangsters_red

"Meaning that even if you are small you still find ways to get your product out to as many people as possible"

But they have found a way.

They have decided they don't have the sufficient resources to make multiple versions of their game so they have decided to launch on the console which gets their "product out to as many people as possible".

[Chevalier]

""You would think a smaller company would manage to find as many outlets as possible to have their game on."

Meaning that even if you are small you still find ways to get your product out to as many people as possible. "

Wow are you stupid?! They clearly said they DO NOT have the man power or resources to do both. You're asking me to comprehend and yet can't seem to read and comprehend yourself. It's a tough business choice they are forced to make, but, they choose the venue that gives them the highest opportunity for success. Also that was the point being small they're doing exactly that getting to as many people as possible.

To simplify if you're still having trouble comprehending 40 million >>> 20 million.

[Pongwater]

"The game flopped for being on a single platform."

It's not on a single platform, and it didn't flop. There goes the basis for your whole comment.

[cellfluid]

tough choice?? more like a no brainer buddy!!!

[Christopher]

It sucks, but, honestly, not a major loss.

[killer_goat]

Not major but still a loss. Things like this can damage a consoles reputation. I still believe that the more games a system gets, the better.

[XanderZane]

There have been many games that hit the PS4 first and then ended up on the XB1. A few examples include Outlast, Ollie Ollie, Rocket League, Don't Starve, etc.. It works the other way too with games like Minecraft, World of Tanks, Brothers: A Tale of Two Son, P-vs-Z: Garden Warfare coming to PS4 after being on XB1 first. This happens on BOTH platforms, so not really a big deal. If this developer wants to sell more copies of Dungeon 2 he will bring the game out on both XB1 and PC as well. That's a no brainer right there. I actually have never heard of this game. I've heard of Dungeon Siege 3 and Dungeon Defenders, but not this game.

[Phunkydiabetic1]

All those games were released early on in the Xbox's life. Early on before publisher's realized what a shit show Xbox is and how much the PS4 is dominating. You wont be seeing much released first on xbox then ported over anymore.

[Chevalier]

http://www.dualshockers.com...
http://www.gamegrin.com/new...

Or they just won't bother because they don't expect to make any money off Xbox One sales to make it worth their time. This game already had an Xbox One version and it still isn't coming to XB1. Mages in fact were exclusive to Xbox systems for all of last gen and started that way and even they announced no more exclusives for XB1.

Like Phunky says, those examples were relatively early on. If small studio's want the best chance for success and can only afford to do one option expect PS4 to continually win out.

With larger studios there are some games hitting XB1 however, Arslan and recently announced Attack on Titan getting XB1 versions for the west by Tecmo Koei for example.

[jznrpg]

They paid for PvZ2 timed exclusivity

[XanderZane]

@Phunkydiabetic1
There are still a lot of games coming to XB1 first now. Games like Gigantic, Below, Cuphead, Blues & Bullets etc..

There's a lot more Indies coming.

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

So yes, you'll still be seeing a lot of first releases on XB1 still. Nothing has changed really. Sure there will be MORE on the PS4, but it's been like that since the PS4 launched.

[slasaru01]

It will come later, same like many other minor games

[Vasto]

Dungeons who?

[MachuchalBrotha316]

I was thinking same thing....Lol. I'm just glad you typed it for me. Lol..

[Next_gen_2015]

Im so jealous XD

[Dabigkahuna76]

We can't believe this 💔

[Italiano1234567]

Well at least someone is telling the truth

[ScorpiusX]

Never heard of the game nor studio so no big loss .

[Tobsesan]

I think noone will miss the game to be honest

[kenwonobi]

This will happen more often. Common as the lead grows. More games just release on PS4

[Majin-vegeta]

Exactly while some users from a certain camp will bury their heads in the sands.Its only going to get worse I mean where's KOF,Nioh,digimon etc..on xbox?

[n4rc]

I've never heard of any of those games..

So let's be realistic here, does it even really matter?

[Majin-vegeta]

@Narc Lol here we go again.Just cuz you never heard of them doesnt mean their isnt xboz fans interested in them.Go to the facebook pages of these games and yoy will see many xbox fan posts asking if its coming to xbox.

[n4rc]

So what? There are always a few sales for even the most idiotic game

This isn't a jab at the title as I honestly have never heard of it.. But having some people want it doesn't mean a thing..

Any developer that makes a decision like this has figured there is no interest in their title. Not enough to warrant making it anyways..

20m consoles is PLENTY of users to justify dev cost, but only if those 20m will pay for it

[killer_goat]

You've all never heard of digimon? It's nearly as big as pokemon. Lol. And nioh looks awesome. Like an Asian cross of ninja gaiden and bloodborne. Last I heard lots of xbox only players loved ninja gaiden.

[n4rc]

nope.. but im 33 so things like pokemon have no appeal

[XanderZane]

Hhhmm.. not if you own both systems it won't. lol!! I'm not burying my head anywhere. I still have no idea what this "Dungeon 2" games is and probably won't get it for the PS4 or any other platform it comes out on. The game has to impress me first. Both the PS4 and XB1 have 100's of Indie games in development. If that's getting worse, sign me up.

[memots]

Not will. its been happening already. But most those title gets no mentioned as they are smaller game yet we can't stop hearing about Cup head.

[MetroidFREAK21]

Alright, enjoy the game PS4 users ✌

[JayH1980]

And the point of this "article" is what?... Are people supposed to care about the reasoning?!

[killer_goat]

Well since this is a gaming site which shares the news from other gaming sites.... you know where I'm going with this.

[Ashlen]

Dungeons 2 is basically like a sequel to the game Dungeon Keeper 1 and 2. They were really fun and have a cult following on PC. People still play them. And Kalypso has been making great niche games on PC for a long time.

It's a real shame gamingbolt had to present the article in the way they did. Instead of just talking about the game and the developer.

[killer_goat]

Should be fun then. Love these niche games.

[WelkinCole]

And yet people still don't understand why install base numbers are important. Why having real exclusives that sells hardware are important. Why numbers are important to devs/publishers.

Yes you can all say you play games and not numbers. You can all say you don't mind others sharing exclusive selling hardware games with other platforms.

However, don't be surprised if your console of choice is not supported as much as the leading console because of lesser numbers.

[n4rc]

Supported by who?

That's the question I ask.. Do you guys start crying if a little indie game appears on id@xbox and not your ps4?

[Condemnedman]

Yes they do. inside it hurts them.

[Kyoshi]

If a system's success is the reason for releasing a game on a certain platform, then I am pretty sure releasing it on the One would be just fine. Yes, the PS4 has sold more, but the Xbox One has sold really good as well, so I honestly am not seeing how this is a valid reason. There could be more to it, but the way the title is worded really makes it sound very...provocative.

[Keregan]

Okay that doesn't really make any sens since they are releasing Tropico 5 at the same time on xbox one

[robbnsade]

Tropico launched on ps4 last April, not quite a year ago. Not sure if it did well or not on ps4/PC, but maybe it did well enough that they were able to dedicate resources in order to bring the XB1 version launching in May.

[XanderZane]

Tropico 3 & 4 are on XBox 360. Tropico 5 is on XB1. These type of games usually don't sell millions on any system. Game is usually made for the PC and then ported down to the console with control modifications. I still have yet to play one games.

[Destiny1080]

and this is why sales matter

[XanderZane]

True, but XB1 sales numbers are actually great as well. The PS3 & XBox 360 both sold over 82 million consoles. XB1 is on track to do the same. 3rd party developers supported the PS3 and XBox 360 like crazy. These developers are still supporting them now. Sales always mattered. The problem I think fanboys have is they think you need to sell 40 million units, like the PS4 for, it to matter. You don't. The Wii had more sales and support last gen from 3rd party and it didn't stop developers from making 100's of games for PS3 and XBox 360. The only console that failed to get the sales and support was the Wii U. That's why Nintendo is releasing the NX.

[Realms]

When people argue about sales numbers this one of the many reasons as to why they are important. A small developer with limited resources having to make concessions, It's understandable to see why they would want to target the larger audience. As far as success goes wether your a small or big studio nothing guarantees you success. For a small developer the risk of failure can be devastating and it's understandable why they would want to minimize those risks.

So for those saying well who cares about this game they simply don't understand the time and effort that goes into making games. So for a small developer it could make or break them and with that the ability to continue to create games would come to an end.

[killer_goat]

Exactly. Wasn't the witcher creators in a similar situation last gen when they only had the resources to release the witcher 2 on one system.

[Free_Fro]

Devs chose to go with the most popular console for their unheard_of game which is fine. My first comment holds true. .

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I can't believe my first comment got marked for 'trolling'. What? *confused.com*

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[MagicBeanz]

Developers with limited resources are going to focus on where the bigger install base is at, and that's PS4 so its no surprise really.

[GrmpyolGamer]

Dungeons???? Meh, to busy playing Quantum Break

[Artemidorus]

Trollingbolt article so not to be taken seriously until a credible website says the same.

[cyber_daemonx]

Oh its only an indie, pretty much insignificant. Until it starts to happen with AAA titles.

[Jag-T1000]

Yep, just an indie. Move along.

[Morgue]

Maybe I read the article differently than everyone else but it seems that they had too weigh their options and went with what they felt was the right decision for now. Then it seems that the spin on this is just another article to create the divide and conqueror scenario between gamer's which everyone on this site plays into.

[dcbronco]

It's on PC as well. It's easily ported over. Many of these small developers will come to regret making these types of decisions later on. Unless Sony gave them financial support, not publishing to an additional twenty million people is a mistake. If the game flops, those additional sales might be the difference between the ability to make your next game and bankruptcy. If money constraints were truly that bad they would have focused on PC alone.

[mark_parch]

whats dungeons 2?

[WilliamSheridan]

If the game is good, it'll come over eventually as a definitive edition with added dlc. If it sells poorly and everyone hates it, then Xbox owners won't miss it.

Let PS4 be the place that people test out their indy games

[iTechHeads]

Makes sense. Can't say I feel bad for XBO-only owners though.
I own both.