The Technomancer Now Runs at 900P@30 on Xbox One; 7th Core Gain Not Huge on Either PS4/XB1

The Technomancer developers were targeting 1080P@30FPS on both PS4&XB1, but they had to lower the resolution to 900P on Xbox One.

[Garethvk]

Better but still.

[Herbalistic]

The developers have tried but at the end of day its Microsoft decision to create an all in one box coming into play again

[Alexious]

Yeah, in the end it's better to have a stable frame rate. But Microsoft should have really created a more powerful console or just sell it for less.

[starchild]

It's interesting to me the way certain people act as if there are some kind of guidelines for how powerful a console has to be in a given generation. There really aren't.

Every generation there are stronger and weaker consoles. Did people give Sony crap over the fact the PS2 was weaker than the original Xbox? That was a much bigger difference. The Xbox had twice the RAM (32mb vs 64mb), a more powerful and easier to use CPU, and a much more powerful graphics processor. The PS4 and XB1 are comparatively much closer in performance (with basically the same CPU and RAM amounts, and only the GPU being somewhat more powerful in the PS4).

Both Microsoft and Sony have now taken their turns having the weaker console in different generations.

Unless Sony and Microsoft work together or give each other constant updates throughout the planing and development of their respective consoles I don't know how the two consoles would ever end up exactly the same in terms of performance. One console is always bound to end up at least somewhat weaker than the other. This time Microsoft ended up with the weaker console, next generation it might go the other way. We really don't know. And neither do Sony and Microsoft.

[Christopher]

***It's interesting to me the way certain people act as if there are some kind of guidelines for how powerful a console has to be in a given generation. There really aren't. ***

It's their opinion. It's what they find important.

I'm very little into Nintendo consoles because partially of the power it lacks (the other part because of the IPs that are drawn to it based on the level of power). I know it's their right to have that level of power and focus on IPs that aren't similar to the other consoles, but I would rather they put out a console with the same level of power of their competition and allow developers to make what they want as well as continue to put out their type of games.

[Trez1234]

Hvd222, u should say something like " the console with my best exclusive "
This " indie station " thing is getting old n " best " exclusive is subjective in FACT, ps4 offers more games than xbox one and with good ratings n diversity.

Oh, and indies are games too n some are fantastic. U should try em sometimes

[Dragonking007]

Yup now you see why ms and sony deciding to upgrade there hardware its not enough power to render perfect gameplay.

[odderz]

Shame that the 7th core isn't enough, but it's not a massive surprise to be honest.

[nosferatuzodd]

Lol yo odderz it's really funny, you remember when everyone believe the 7 core has some kind of secret sauce lol those were the days lol

[LamerTamer]

'Cause resolution is a big GPU taxing thing, not so much CPU, and the GPU in the xbone is still weaker.

I wouldn't have expected much gain in graphics by using more CPU.

It is the secret sauce that is going to make the Xbone run in 4K. That and the magical stacked hidden second GPU.

[Phil32]

Better that than a sloppy, inconsistent frame-rate at the very least!

[LavaLampGoo]

Oh dear. Xbox ONE tries so hard but in terms of power it is just out matched.

[ccgr]

Ouch, not impressed

[S2Killinit]

I don't think a stronger SKU is needed, but if it arrives, i is welcomed in my book.

[KaiPow]

It's disheartening to hear that this is still occurring this late into the console cycle.

[LamerTamer]

That is because this late in the console cycle the xbone still has a weaker GPU.

You can optimize the xbone but then you can also optimize the PS4 putting it ahead again. The hardware advantage will show because that is still there.

Until the Xbox One.5 and PS4K, then who knows who will win the hardware war, it could be MS with all of their money for all we know.

[Salooh]

It's only gonna get worst for those who care lol ..

[kenwonobi]

Because the two systems running at the same core count? Leaves them right back to the same technological advantage PS4 always had. Microsoft 7th core+Sony 7th core= advantage PlayStation once again. Back to square one.

[hiawa23]

Well, the GPU in the PS4 has 40 plus % better performance, so other things equal, the PS4 should win out no matter what, especially when you figure in the difference of ram. There is no getting around that.

[Toiletsteak]

If the game is fun then who cares?

[Goldby]

apparently 8 people want Technomancer to not be fun.

[brave27heart]

Technomancer? Why should I care about the resolution of a game I've never heard of?

And I'm a PS4 gamer.

[DopeTech]

Another news about resolution, PS4 1080p, XBOX 900p. Moving on....

[DLConspiracy]

Hey say what you want, but every time one of these articles pops up. It reminds me just how awesome i am for owning a PS4. In fact.. I think i'm gonna keep telling people online to remind them of what they already know about the resolutions of the 2 consoles. Im going to repeat it to make sure everyone knows the truth. I will also hide behind facts as a reason to repeat my constant repeating that the PS4 is better too. That way it seems like I have a reason to be doing this. Just another reason for me to act better than other gamers. Just like the PC elitists do to console owners. Only since I am on a console I can get away with acting that way and not be considered a hypocrite or elitist. /s

:P

[DopeTech]

WOW, insecure fanboy, we all know that, okay?

PS4 GPU 1.84TFLOPS, XBOX ONE GPU 1.31TFLOPS.....XBOX GPU is weaker, okay?

You're taking these consoles like It's a religious thing, calm down dude!

[DLConspiracy]

@dope tech

I see you don't like sarcastic jokes. You'll live.

[hiawa23]

If devs need to lower the res to 900p upscaled to 1080p, fine by me. Not sure why this is still an issue. We know what to expect from the pS4 and X1, by now, so I am for devs doing what they need to do to get the games running the best. There is no secret sauce or fix, the consoles are what they are. Either you accept that or not. Adjust the expectations.

[Alexious]

Yeah, for a while Xbox fans hoped that DirectX 12 would be a magic fix but it isn't. Not even for PC, it turns out...Let alone Xbox One which already had a low level API.

[TheCommentator]

Um, DX12 is not even optimized yet. Why would you assume that as soon as DX12 becomes the new API that things would be "magically" better anyways? As you stated, some games run worse on PC with it and there are reasons why. While no one is realistically expecting DX12 to make XB1 as/more powerful than PS4, making a statement like yours is a bit off. You don't turn on the hot water and magically get hot water coming from the tap. That doesn't mean that the hot water isn't coming though, because some things take time to develop before the effects can be seen.

Devs haven't learned how to code well for DX12 yet, games haven't done anything but patched DX12 into their engines(which you admitted isn't working well), and MS is working on several fixes because DX12 is still really buggy right now. When FL12.1 and Shader Model 6 are released to the devs in the fall it will improve things as well(but not instantly). DICE and a few others describe IBM's version of FL12.1's Rasterization and Raster Ordered Views as game changers for programmers and SM6 will boost efficiency a bit as well.

The biggest problem here is that MS didn't have DX12 ready to launch the XB1 with, and that the generation will be more than half over before we see any real results.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that this game doesn't support DX12.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

"There is no secret sauce or fix"

Drop unnecessary effects such as motion blur, bloom, DOF, etc. Turn down the graphics just slightly, use a better art style.

[hiawa23]

I leave all that to the experts who make the games. They know what is best. I just play em...

[garrettbobbyferguson]

@hiawa23

Experts? Ha. They do not know best typically, they are responding to the "fans" who require the top of the line graphics on average hardware. If they didn't have to cater to those people, they would have dropped unnecessary graphical effects and even graphical fidelity years ago. Too bad everything has to have unnecessary polys, these consoles could have outputted something other than sub hd 30 fps.

[TetsujinFranky]

A stable framerate should always be a priority, even if it means to drop resolution a bit. There won't be much difference anyway.

[hiawa23]

I agree

[Tsunade]

But is much better when you can have both good frame-rate and good resolution.

[hiawa23]

Yeah, it would be nice if my car got 50 miles to the gallon. We don't get to woulda, shoulda, coulda. The consoles are set so devs needs to work with what they have and make the best games posssible. Saying MS or Sony should have done differently with their hardware is pointless.

[neoandrew]

They really should make games 21:9 (ultra wide) on xone. (and to be honest on ps4 too, it is just better, order 1886 is native 21:9)

Not only it lowers res from 1920x1080 to 1920x822, so you gain performance, 24% less to render.

But you also don't loose quality, it just changes the aspect ratio, so pixel density is the same, yet you gain ultra wide game view and it is just better than standard 16:9, just compare on google the division 21:9 vs 16:9.

There are some cons.

You get black bars on top and bottom so if you have a tv smaller than 40 inches it could be a problem.

I'm trying to play every game on my pc in 21:9 (tv 42 inches is fine), including the division and it is just great.

[hiawa23]

I play on a 40", I certainly don't want to see bars

[PistolsAtDawn]

Then your eye PHYSCIALLY cannot tell the difference between 1080 and 900 unless you play less than a foot from the screen...so why are you all over this board acting like it's a huge deal. I have a 70" 4k TV and KNOW it's not a big deal....get over it.

[neoandrew]

Give it a break, people are buying 21:9 screens "just to not see the black bars", man, this is pure BS as any 16:9 tv can display 21:9 and in my country, largest 21:9 display is 35 inch and that mean that a 16:9 tv has bigger 21:9 screen http://displaywars.com/42-i...

And you gain wide view, much better than 16:9.

[Alexious]

Except several games aren't really compatible with 21:9.

[Keregan]

Meh shitty dev coding a shitty games that will porbably stuggle to sell 100k copies so who cares anyway

[Goldby]

lets see you try it.
just because a game doesn't run at 1080p doesn't mean its a shitty game.
Just because a game doesn't run at 60fps doesnt make it a shitty

just because you think that way, makes you a shitty gamer.

Have some respect for a dev trying to tell a story.

[Artemidorus]

Lol 2016 and struggling.

[Okan-Ru]

i love how the comments who keep trying to pin it on the devs for "crappy coding" lol.

just admit, these consoles we have now are weak, underpowered, out of date, etc. These consoles are holding back games. Yet people still go out and buy them. for what reason? a few exclusives that sony & microsoft keep on there platform? Why choose a few exclusives over an entire library of steam games available on PC? Lets not even forget GOG, origin, desura, etc.

People need to wake up.

[GamingTruth]

because uncharted 4 and other ps4 exclusives look better than anything on pc

[Alexious]

I hope you're not serious.

[Okan-Ru]

you have got to be kidding me XD.

uncharted 4 looks better then anything on PC? LOL. maybe in lala land.

[Max-Zorin]

GamingTruth, your guardian angel exploded from face palming so hard.

[starchild]

GamingDelusion is back!...with some more, well, delusion.

Seriously, that is simply not true. I don't know about Uncharted 4 because I haven't played it yet (not to mention Naughty Dog do amazing things graphically), but I have played all the other best looking games on PS4 and they don't beat the best looking games on PC. Some of them do look really good, though.

[Slanty]

lol deluded made me laugh.

[Artemidorus]

You really need to change your name to DeludedGamer it suits you more.

Edit: looks like I'm not the other one who thinks about your name change!

[GamingTruth]

I know right, yet i dont see anyone posting these games from pc that look better than uncharted 4, not like screenshots or anything but actual gameplay, no tech demos or anything but gameplay, no cg but gameplay, disagree with me and bash me if you wish; but its natural of pc game nerds to talk with no proof of anything. Sadly uncharted 4 isnt even the only ps4 game demolishing all your pc games order 1886 and until dawn thrash any pc game too and thats still not all, heck why do you think the talk of the town is ps4 exclusives visually and nothing on pc? The gaming world is a quiet place for pc nerds once ps4 exclusives are brought up, too bad.

[sangoku_d]

Holding back games? You got bear simulator be grateful lmao

[Okan-Ru]

lol. oh boy guys. he got us with one game guys.

better pack it up and go home pc gamers. this guy got us trapped in a corner.

it's so incredible to me how Console gamers always use the same debunked arguments, trying to narrow down the entire PC Gaming's library to just one or few games. like "Batman Arkham Knight" "Bear simulator" "mobas". lol ignoring the vast majority of PC games out there. as well as console gamers love to hold 1-2 games as a "positive" for consoles and negative for PC. like "THE LAST OF US!!" or "DESTINY!!" lol.

it's so hilarious watching console gamers try so hard to defend consoles. using there small-limited library of games in order to defend consoles while at the sametime trying to narrow down the PC Gaming's library to nothing but what consoles have plus mobas. lol.

[LamerTamer]

Maybe because I don't like online DRM like Steam (ok GOG doesn't have DRM but also doesn't have all games).

Also playing with KB/M is not my thing either and all PCs don't have good controller support that still doesn't need a KB as well(too many key commands).

Consoles are weak but more convenient and ergonomic, and you can actually own the games forever if you buy physical.

[Slanty]

I agree with some of what you said Okan-Ru its not the devs thought the hardware is weak. I don't think the consoles are holding back the pc is terms of graphics really though.95% of the ports/games look fantastic in 1080/2k/4k 60 fps in ultra on pc.

That said glad I glad I ditched my xbox and upgraded my pc. Its wasn't cheap but loving 4k gaming its amazing!

[alti]

Techno isn't a thing anymore.

[BartMoons]

A locked Framerate?

[Slanty]

More 900 res and 30 fps? I get that a lot of people are fine with this and that's cool if you are happy with 900 res or even 1080 at 30 fps before I get attacked by the fanboys. But...I still find it a joke that these consoles are so weak and 1080 resolution 60 fps gaming is still out of reach in 2016 for the most part especially on the xbox one and less so on ps4.

You can swallow 1080 at 30 fps I suppose, but when games are dropping down to 900 even 720 resolution in case of the xbox its crazy.1080 tvs have been mainstream for over a decade!hopefully sony and Microsoft will get it right next time.

[Condemnedman]

it doesn't matter to me weather the ps4 has better resolution because I don't intend on getting one. simples

[dreamoner]

Wow. Nice PR discussing xbone & ps4. Now all of you's heard about the game : d

[Relientk77]

I hope this is a sleeper hit

[Kojjikaneshiro]

This argument has gotten tired.Enjoy your console and let everyone enjoy theirs.I have an Xbox One and the games play great in my eyes and i love the backward compatibility.Sony has awesome hardware and it always has,do i get mad about it?nope cause at the end im a gamer and i love games.The only preference i have is for the Xbox controller.

[kevnb]

Why would enabling another cpu core help with resolution? By now everyone should know resolution comes down to GPU power.

[Circuitburnout]

I'd rather have lower res then choppy frame rates. Hit me with 720@60fps any day

[BumpFrankie]

id Software has already proven the Xbox One is capable of running games at 1080p 60fps thanks to Doom and their idTech6 engine. We should stop talking about stupid console war bait topics like this article and focus on praising companies like id Software for their accomplishments.

[Destiny1080]

as long as the ps4 version is in glorious 1080p

[Duke19]

WE NEED MORE CORES!

[SavingPvt_Highon]

I'm looking at my PS3 copy of Modern Warfare 2 released in 2009, its 1080p. It also can run at 720p and 1080i.

[Father__Merrin]

Just you wait till direct x 12 and
to the metal coding combined with azure cloud compute.

You will be owned..

[aks6351]

Can some one explain to me, if the ps4 is more powerful, why does the Xbox one cost more? Where did the extra money go? What extra features am I paying for?

[DarXyde]

Wow, a lot of these comments are remarkably inflammatory. Take it down a notch, everyone.

As far as resolution goes, 900p isn't a bad resolution at all. It's not Full HD, but it is sufficient and, frankly, I cannot for the life of me tell the difference between upscaled from 900p and native 1080p.

7th core is tricky. We wouldn't really see anything drastic from a game that's just using it natively. We wouldn't really know in most cases. But if you use it retroactively, it would be different story. Like, for example, if Bloodborne received an update to use it, maybe frame rate would be smoother in bad spots.

[DrumBeat]

The PS4 is more powerful than the Xbox One and it always will be. Nothing can change weaker hardware. Weaker hardware will always be weaker hardware.

[DivineAssault]

Here we go with people coming out w pitch forks and torches. WHY??? Everyone knows thats how this gen is going to be! Its just resolution right now that we know of so whats the big deal.. 900p is fine.. Better than 720p right? If they didnt want to put in the effort, it mightve ended up that way.. It will be the same game so relax people..

If your that mad, you shouldnt have bought the xb1.. It was very VERY clear before launch that PS4 was a superior console.. Maybe you shouldve went with that instead or just buy it when theres a deal.. Its not going to change until the next gen releases.. Save your money and buy a PS4 if its going to piss you off.. I bought a 360 last gen as well as a PS3..

Theres way more exclusive games, its stronger, great controller, and more.. Theres no reason to get mad and say all these negative comments or attack peoples bubbles because they state the truth in most cases by speaking logically.. There are trolls out there but damn, every comment that isnt something they like is attacked even when its not disrespectful.. Quit hating on people who chose the console they knew would have the stuff they like and run better multiplats.. Its not like you cant play them at all and you wont notice unless theyre side by side..