Microsoft Looking to Charge for TF2 Updates

Valve, in all their awesomeness, has been trying to release all new TF2 content to the consoles free of charge, unfortunately Microsoft doesn't feel the same way. Valve Founder, Gabe Newell says the console gaming model is getting in the way. "The big concern I have right now is our ability to provide updates. On the PC side, we've done as many as four updates in a day, and that's great: we can respond very quickly." says Newell at GC08 to videogaming247.

[Stryfeno1]

Sony looking to charge for something? Get the hell out of here.

[sonarus]

Call me biased or whatever but this would really be the first time i am hearing sony is forcing the hand of developers to charge for updates.

However this isn't the first time i am hearing about it from Microsoft. Also didn't i hear that valve wasn't planning any PS3 updates for team fortress.

I am going to take this as a generalization. Saying consoles he is probably only referring to the 360 especially since Newell doesn't consider the PS3 at all.

[DarkBlade]

And i approve of this message. LOl

[Mao]

Gabe: "what's this PS3 you speak of? Does this thing really exist?"

Newell hates the PS3 cause his fat arsh is too lazy to adjust to different developmental processess. Insomniac needs to send someone down to slap him in the back of the head.

[gamesR4fun]

Update: Sorry folks, I originally said this applied to Sony as well. There is no news of Sony charging for a TF2 update yet. Shame on me.

[gaffyh]

Not surprised really, MS is the type of company that charges for every possible thing they can.

[crck]

if that isn't their policy. Either way I doubt Gabe would know. He's obviously talking about MS but lumping all 3 companies together to toss into the fire pit.

[Proxy]

What has he said that is false. He said "They want us to charge money for them, because that is in their model."

What does "them" refer to? Updates? Them can't possibly refer to this singular and specific update. Valve has said nothing specific.

[crck]

Valve is basically claiming that Sony and Nintendo pressure devs/publishers to charge for updates. While Valve may be right I doubt they actually know anything about Sony's policies or PSN's certification process since they probably don't even have dev kits or any contact with Sony.

Definition of slander: a malicious, false, and defamatory statement or report: a slander against his good name.

[Bnet343]

I have the superior PC version so I don't care about this gimped console version.

[pwnsause]

??? dont think sony would charge people for stuff thats free.

[sentai]

Of course they wouldn't. It amazes me how Microsoft would even think about doing something like this.

[UNCyrus]

hahaha, I really don't see why you're amazed that much? Coming from a company that's undergone countless anti-trust/monopoly lawsuits, this seems almost like expected behavior.

[DavidMacDougall]

I swear this s**t angers me why put a f**king price on everything!!!!

Just die already you ****ing suits

[sentai]

Maybe surprised is a bad word. Disgusted is more like it. I'm disgusted that Microsoft would not only make you pay for Live, but also pay for updates as well?

[Darkiewonder]

http://kotaku.com/5040417/t...

Kotaku only talks about 360 being charged.

anyways, Valve updating the ps3 version? really?

[SuicidalTendencies]

Doesn't the publisher decide if there will be a charge for downloads? In this case it would be EA, not Microsoft.

[hgdaniel]

Updates have to be approved and certified by Microsoft as they own the network it's going to be rolled out on.

[SuicidalTendencies]

What does that have to do with charging for content? There are tons of free stuff on the marketplace. Somebody show me some proof that Microsoft demands developers or publishers to charge for DLC. People bring up the Gears maps as a example but that just proves my point that the publisher is responsible for the price. MS was the publisher for Gears.

[Drekken]

Sentai, By now MS has no feet.

[mfwahwah]

MS can tell any dev out there "You can not get permission to post this DLC unless there is a fee and we get a cut." Nintendo and Sony can do this too (*GASP*). You may not want to believe it, but it's not that far fetched. I remember Bungie complaining about Halo map packs costing money because of MS policy.

[BRACHATTACK]

Surprise surprise, M$ trying to suck every bit of money from their poor xbots.

[Shaka2K6]

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[sentai]

Microsoft would be shooting themselves in the foot if they tried something like this. But then again, I'm not surprised.

[TheHater]

Sony charging make no sense. First of all, Sony is offering HOME free, and a free online gaming service. Also they got Free Realms, which will be release for free on both the PS3 and PC.
Secondly and most importantly, THESE UPDATES ARE NOT COMING TO THE PS3. So I don't see how Sony want to charge for something which will not be on their system

Edit: Why the disagree?
Fact: You can't charge for something which isn't on your system.

[pp]

Well i hope thats not true because then microsoft is digging them selves in a hole

[TheHater]

It might be true. MS charge Gears of War for Gears of War contents which was suppose to be free.

Edit: I also hope it not true. If the developers want to offer something free for the gamers, MS should have any say in that.

[Jeremy Clarkson]

The first rational thing i've ever heard you say!

[cmrbe]

you xbots love being charged for everything.

[PimpHandStrong]

"The big concern I have right now is our ability to provide updates. On the PC side, we've done as many as four updates in a day

well Gabe if it was that messed up why did you release it!

anyway

fuk valve

[Proxy]

They probably released the game because it was "good enough." I suppose they could have taken some time to test the game on every hardware configuration, but had they done that the game would have had a lack luster launch come 2035 when they finished the testing.

Developers run into problems with one consoles being just a little different. How much more difficult do you think it would be to debug a program that will be running on literally millions of different hardware configurations?

[Cajun Chicken]

Its obvious 360 'Live fans enjoy spending money like throwing it into the ocean.
Why not exploit them that little bit more on top whilst you can?

[Old Snake]

Well I guess people don't call them M$ for nothing.

[Raoh]

LOL

Gabe says consoles like he is dealing with the wii and ps3 as well.. he wants to deal with the 360.. so deal

dont say consoles say the xbox 360...

[pwnsause]

its funny though, Valve PS3 haters, But loves to suck M$ Di*k alot. Now M$ is being a Dominatrix with Valve so they can charge users content that is FREE, content that I can get on Steam for FREE, content that i can get on the PSN for FREE.

they did the same thing With Epic when they wanted to distribute free GeOW maps on the network, but M$ stopped them. and the bots as dumb as they are, fall for it. Instead of looking like Jackasses by paying for it, they should be protesting this BS. Thats why Live in my opinion is an Inferior Service.

[Cajun Chicken]

Charged online to play with friends with a forced subscription?
Inferior service indeed.
Now, FREE services with no catch? I like.

[PSWii60 Fanboy]

Hell yes that is exactly what I've been trying to say!! Microsoft doesn't care about you, they don't give a damn about you, they just want your money foo. The Xbox is good but the company behind it is not.

[Cajun Chicken]

Just TWO weeks after buying my 360 when I got my PS3.

My 360 just plays single player games found for cheap second hand and Geometry Wars, a few other XBLA games I mainly play Dead Rising and EDF2017 on the thing; its basically used like a PS2, due to the large second hand gaming market, but the PS3 gets most of the love due to the amazing features Sony packed into it and constantly offers for free.

Except from that, now in this this time, this age, this HD era and world effecting economical situation; MS is looking like a joke compared to Sony.

[tamd]

happy with pc version

[Megaton]

They did the same thing with Gears, charging for stuff Epic wanted to be free. I remember they were vocally upset about it when it happened.

[zethos56]

MS should just go out and say "go buy the pc version."

[kenshin22up]

Who cares Gabe, nobody on the 360 plays your silly game.

[dirtrider]

usualy what MS will do is charge for them for a "limited" time and then make the content free. i believe they did this with gears, i think epic wanted make the new maps free, but MS wanted to charge for them. so they compromised and did a limited time deal after the time period they went to free.

[militant07]

please no !!

[darthv72]

If MS invested in the development of the content then they should be allowed to charge for it (ala GTA4). If the content is required to play then it cant be charged for (aka a patch). If the content is just added stuff not intended to change the outcome of the retail game then it is up to the provider (Valve) as well as the carrier (MS) to work out the distribution if charged or not. This is nothing new.

[cmrbe]

xbots first buy a last gen console with massive failure rate, some even buying 2 for fear of the PROD. Then they pay for their ISP, then pay for x360 live and THEN pay for stuff that you get for free on Free PSN and PC?. Haha. Serves you xbots for riding MS d1ck.

Have fun paying beyond.

[plain rice]

You nailed it.

[iggypop123]

this is why everyone should include the dollar sign instead of the S int he abbreviation M$ for microsoft

[CertifiedGamer]

After all the ass kissing valve does to xbox360
Microsoft still doesn't care
Now look sony would have never given them this problem but I guess what comes around goes around.
Microsoft has no loyalty to no 1.

[Lou-Cipher]

@cbrbe
That basically sums it up

[SSCOOLCHEA]

bots love paying for shil just look at all there previous post . so why even comment

[Vip3r]

Charging for updates is like stealing food from a orphan on Christmas.

Its just isn't right.

[Drekken]

Neither is buying your favorite Console from a software Giant that hasnt got anything right in 8+ years. But you know, people confuse me often.

[sentai]

Milking the cow, aren't you Microsoft?
As if paying for XBox Live wasn't enough? I'm not surprised because Microsoft has never heard of the word *free*.

[Drekken]

They need to make up the RROD costs somehow!

[CommonSense]

Consoles are expanding gaming everywhere. people that couldn't afford comps that played more than free cell can now experience great gaming. unfortunately, the control over consoles by the manufacturer is ruining a lot about what made gaming on PC great. Sony had the right idea when they decided to make the ps3 open to more 3rd party and user made content. unfortunately it's still nothing in comparison to pc.
i think this might be my last generation of hardcore console gaming.

[Drekken]

Trust me it is no fun finding out your bada$$ computer cant run your most anticipated game without a hardware upgrade.

This happens way more often then not.

[plain rice]

Who is actually surprised? It's typical.