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What Exactly Is The Reason To Own An Xbox One?

Thekingslayer.com "In theory Phil Spencer and everyone who sees no issue with Xbox One Quantum Break no longer being console exclusive are right. Every gamer should get a chance to play a great title. Microsoft is in the business of focusing on Windows 10 and Xbox One. Yet, therein lies the rub. Where's the differentiation that makes the Xbox One a unique console and gaming platform of this generation? I'm reminded of what Sega did when they released the 32x, while having the Genesis still popular, and the Saturn on the way in the face of Sony introducing the Playstation brand. So long as you supported Sega it was ok whatever you played on. We all know how that turned out. Sure owning a PC gaming rig can cost. Yet, there are far efficient ways to having one these days, and what about mobile gaming that is growing daily. Quantum Break represented the final nail in the coffin to all the PR and miss messaging nightmares that Microsoft created for itself. In one day they eradicated their efforts...

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uth113007d ago

Exactly right, this move dilutes the Xbox brand. I don't know what it is with this Microsoft obsession to deliver the same experience everywhere. It always backfires! Look at Windows 8.. "Let's put a tablet interface on a desktop PC so that PCs and tablets have the same experience. That failed spectacularly!

I hope Nintendo is paying attention to this, I think they'll have an opportunity to scoop up marketahare at xbox's expense if they play their cards right

lipton1013006d ago

This is nintendo's last shot I think man. A failing, unprofitable investment such as the Wii U is an expensive mistake for a company to make (see sega). I'm sure they still have liquidity from their portable options and Wii, but 2 losing ventures can break a company, no matter how well they've done in the past. I personally do wish them all the luck though. They have to differentiate themselves to stay relevant in the current landscape. I hope they do.

jholden32493006d ago

The thing is, and I say this as objectively as I can, even now in the Wii U era, Nintendo has somehow managed to turn it into a profit. Now, they also have a very successful handheld platform, and that's not going away any time soon. They've never made an unsuccessful handheld.

If they can turn the worst generation they've ever had into profit, I wouldn't worry about this being their last shot. Besides, they've got more gold than Fort Knox, enough to weather 10 generations of Wii U's.

I think, and I could be wrong, but I think their strategy is to combine their home console platform with their uber-successful handheld platform and double the amount of software they can pump out, since they'll no longer need to produce separate games for each. Double software drives more hardware sales, which should already be expanded by the consolidation of the 2 platforms.

pyroxxx3006d ago

Nintendo made so much money on dses and Wii ,.. they can afford to have gamecubes/wiius for next 5 generations

_-EDMIX-_3006d ago

@Jhold and Pyro- they can't afford to keep losing billions in development and marketing buds.

I believe their best bet is to go exclusively handheld and become a 3rd party publisher/developer make games on all platforms, PC, PS4, XONE, their own handheld clearly, mobile.

Even 3DS is sell under DS. You can't just go from 103 million to 12 million and really consider doing it again, its just suicide.

Clearly not enough solely care about those Nintendo IPs to sell a console.

_-EDMIX-_3006d ago

" I don't know what it is with this Microsoft obsession to deliver the same experience everywhere"

Because they own 2 platforms, why should they lose money on software to move units of hardware that make them LESS money?

What your asking them to do is, fail in one area.....to sell plastic boxes that actually won't for a fact make them MORE money.

This is like trying to tell someone to sell burgers because its "kewl" vs fries even though fries have a larger profit margin, yet get mad when they sell both.

So make less? LMFAO!

I'm sorry but many of you guys don't get business enough to get how brilliant this move is.

MS job is to make MONEY, not merely move plastic boxes as exclusives don't even move MOST consoles.

Go look up the top PS4 and XONE best selling games.

They are not all a FULL LIST of exclusives bud.

FGHFGHFGH3006d ago

They want to move hardware because they make money on all third party games sold on xbox. Which makes up most of the xbox library. All pc copies of call of duty sold on steam or amazon or any of the other places to buy games doesn't get them anything. Plus they get subscription fees for live on xbox.

_-EDMIX-_3006d ago

Your not wrong, but they will still move hardware based on 3rd party support.

Again...most are not buying consoles for JUST exclusives, in fact look at the top games sold thus far this gen to even really factor that in.

Thus...why lose large amounts of software sales and their footing in PC, to sell hardware that isn't even moving units based on exclusives solely and isn't even giving them MORE money then software?

I'm sorry but it just makes no sense.

They can still do both and I don't see them losing much hardware sales anyway.

The gains over take the loss by such a huge degree, they would be stupid to not do it and honestly...they've been stupid for years for not doing it from the very start.

Phil is very much showing them to not believe the BS other heads have been spewing about needing such things to sell consoles. The numbers of games sold that are NOT exclusives have shown otherwise bud, you know.....facts. They will be fine.

rainslacker3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

The premise of cross platform is fine. MS implementation of Metro was completely idiotic. Take the benefits of tablets, and throw them on a PC where it had those benefits already, but make it less intuitive to use, all while removing ease of multi-tasking. Whoever thought that up at Windows should have been fired. I think MS really thought their Windows Store would soar with Metro...which was the whole reason Metro was integrated to begin with, and they removed things like Widgets which were actually useful.

One platform is doing things better though, so at least they kept the principal and got rid of the shoddy implementation...and gave us back the start menu which was actually useful...with the new one being the best one they've had yet. Granted, actual support for one platform is minimal at the moment, so it's hard to say how much it will be adopted going forward. I have a feeling though it's going to go the metro route, and it's not going to be as robust as some people here imagine due to it's high level implementation. Most companies that offer a platform agnostic solution now use cloud based services to deliver the program to the user, because it is a lot simpler, yet keeps the benefits of a full program regardless of the device. No matter what you do, no matter the actual power of other devices, some things are going to be limited on a device which isn't a PC.

SlavisH23007d ago (Edited 3007d ago )

lol n4g. So now QB is on PC xbox is not need? I'm a pc gamer but console people play for convenience. I love how now everyone on this site has a gaming pc but when I say i'll get the pc version because it will be better then the ps4 version you fangirls panties get sandy GFTO this is a bunch of undercover fangirls. This is win win for m$ and increase the chances a good game gets a sequel with still having limited availbilty. Just like street fight or killer instinct or Shenmue if it does. I hope halo and gear go too. I like when sony puts there series on other devices like ps3,vita, ps4. Options are better.

Rookie_Monster3007d ago

Well said. bubble for making sense.

uth113007d ago

It's not just QB, it's almost every Xbox exclusive this year coming to PC

Rookie_Monster3007d ago (Edited 3007d ago )

CRACKDOWN 3, Forza Horizon 3, Gears 4 are still XB1 exclusives This year and how is MS releasing games on thier OTHER gaming platform makes XB1 gamers and the platform any worst? People that have the XB1 platform and 99% of the population that don't care or afford a PC rig capable of playing those games will continue to buy a cheap $300 console to play their XBOX games.

Those same tired phrases like "people will just play it on PC instead" doesn't pertain to the MAJORITY of the population. XB1 sold over 1.2 million consoles on both Nov and Dec NPD this past holidays, how may PC rig were sold that is capable of playing High end Games like Quantum Break were sold at that same time?

Quick answer, not many. People needs to put reality into perspective instead of hoping that XB1 will all of a sudden failed because a game is made available on a another MS platform that not many will have the spec to access to and not many will even care about. Jeeezzzz people. Smh

maniacmayhem3007d ago

Good, who cares!

PC players get to play them and so do Xbox One players.

What's the problem?

DashArrivals3006d ago

I'm happy. I'm a PS4 console owner. Quantum Break looks prettyt cool. If it gets good reviews I'm buying for PC. I'm sure the game will, it looks pretty rad.

Utalkin2me3006d ago

@Rookie_Monster

Like how he is always throwing his opinions of numbers out.

Just in the 900 series card which is DX12 capable (not supported) and could easily play Quantum Break. there is 7.73% of steam users owning one.

http://store.steampowered.c...

Now if we was to add the the 800 series too, which is also DX12 capable. Meaning being able to play Quantum Break. Im not talking supported, talking capable. The percentages would be alot higher and if we did ATI capable cards too it would be even greater of %.

So out of 125 millions users, thats a pretty good percentage users. And when DX12 games start coming out, then more then likely as previous statistics show. A good portion of people are going to upgrade.

_-EDMIX-_3006d ago

@Uth11- 100% agreed.

@Rookie - "CRACKDOWN 3, Forza Horizon 3, Gears 4 are still XB1 exclusives" Just like "ReCore, KI, Quantum Break are still XB1 exclusives"

I mean...haven't we heard that stupid argument before?

For now. As if you've heard thats NEVER going to change? Buddy...read what Phil Spencer is saying, if you are as much as a fan of MS as you claim, you would know his statements are sounding more so like he has zero plans to keep ANY GAME only for 1 platform.

Why cannibalize sales of software to move hardware that actually makes less?

Where are you hearing he is keeping some games only on XB1?

"99% of the population that don't care or afford a PC rig capable"

Irrelevant and clearly enough do to actually warrant such a move, yet 3rd party has no issue making money on the platform, get over yourself bud.

Because the state of PC gaming in 2007 stated that way for the entire gen right bro? Because NO one would have PC's by the end of that gen that could play Crysis right bro?

History would like to have a word with you lolz.

"all of this has happened before and all of it will happen again"

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Nivekki3006d ago

It is funny to see. I've seen quite a few articles about pc gaming where consoles are compared and you get loads of people slagging off pc gaming because 'it's too expensive', 'too much hassles', 'I love playing on the couch' and so on.

Then you see the same people saying they'll be getting the games on their 'gaming pc', when it suits them in certain articles.

Mrgolden793006d ago

Yes agreed. All you have to do is look above this comment and see the complaining people saying pc is too expensive, or that the majority of pc gaming rigs cannot play games when it suits their agenda. Shaking my damn head

gamertk4213006d ago

Maybe, but that is the public opinion. If the majority think that, it becomes a real impediment.

rainslacker3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

True. But to me, it would be more that, while I prefer consoles, is it worth spending $350 for a few select games which I can forgo my preference for a while to enjoy them on my capable PC?

Answer is, yes, I could easily decide to play a game on the PC despite my personal preferences, because the experience is going to be mostly the same, with the only difference(in my case), being that I'll play on a monitor, and not sit in a big comfy recliner. Saving that $350 for the console itself is pretty good in my book....and I could actually buy a nice video card with that(which I'd need to do to play QB as mine is old...but that has other benefits for me both now and for the long term), or I could opt to simply buy more games.

I know what you're saying though. Some people do change their comments to suit their bias.

That being said, I'll just play the game on my X1, because I already purchased it, and no reason to dwell in the past so I can just enjoy the game/s where I see fit.

rainslacker3006d ago

Think of it this way. For many, this won't really effect them, because they just prefer to play on console. However, there are gamers who play on both console and PC. For those gamers, they have no real reason to purchase an X1 now. For those with an adequate PC, yet prefer console, if it comes down to a decision between getting a console with actual games that can't be played anywhere else, and still have access to those Xbox games, then there is less impetus for them to spend extra money on the console, and instead can go for the console which will give them access to the most games.

Those are about the only two groups who this decision effects in terms of console sales. For those who just prefer console, they still have to make a choice between the ones available, and the console exclusive games will still be a consideration.

TROLLER1233006d ago

why not bloodborne or uncharted or any other ps4 exclusive to pc then for more options? everyones ok with ps4 stuff staying on sony, but microsoft? bring it to the pc! tgat way we can pirate it and 'try' it to see if i like it. i'll buy it i promise. lol. xbox owners got shafted good. and i own one, but every exclusive on pc now? fuck that, no more xboxesm, i will just buy a pc and get them for free to 'try'

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Zoombael3005d ago

Sure, let's see this case totally isolated. Let no big picture view get in the way. Let's forget about the original Xbox One concept introduced in 2013. Of course you might want to protest, and say: "get over it, don't be resentful, whats the big deal, they've changed, bla bla".

What MS was trying to do was very revealing and the consequences are physically present till this day. Trying to enforce a useless plastic lump (Kinect) upon the customer. Hardware that did get no proper support last generation - and MS made clear they will continue this course -, was then introduced as a mandatory accessory, which raised the price of the hardware. Means compromises had to be made. Or: The reason why the X1 is significantly weaker than the PS4.

Their actions speak volumes. Their conception of hardware support is abysmal. They don't invest nearly as much in new IPs and concepts like Sony does. In the first half of 2016 there are no exclusive titles coming to X1. Except for Raiden V maybe and that only has a JP release date. Whereas the PS4 has over half a dozen titles and an new game changing technology with it's own set of exclusive games.

And if exclusives aren't important, why buy the weaker console?

So, why should someone see the need to buy X1? For those few mediocre same old same IPs?

"I love how now everyone on this site has a gaming pc but when I say i'll get the pc version because it will be better then the ps4 version you fangirls panties get sandy GFTO this is a bunch of undercover fangirls. This is win win for m$ and increase the chances a good game gets a sequel with still having limited availbilty."

Yea, and i love how all over sudden "PC gamers" routing for MS, "hooray MS, this good for the gamers, win win". On the other hand, when it comes to consoles and games it usually reads "no exclusives, no reason to buy, back when i was young it was 90% exclusives".

"Just like street fight or killer instinct or Shenmue if it does. I hope halo and gear go too. I like when sony puts there series on other devices like ps3,vita, ps4. Options are better."

Options are also a waste of resources, including the most precious one: Time.

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T1ttyMunch3r3007d ago

Because no pc can play the latest games for $300. Plus you dont have to maintain it by buying new graphics cards, ram, etc. Its also easy to connect to friends, no hackers, no viruses, no garbage softwares like ubistore, origin. What i have said above is better than getting extra pixels/ framerate/a little bit better graphics

Mrgolden793006d ago

I think the upgrade argument is vastly exaggerated. In reality, you do not have to upgrade most components for at least 5 years because pc games have the option to play at ultra settings or at low settings, something console games CANT do. The argument about hackers and viruses are greatly exaggerated as well, if you just play games, your risk of that is VERY low. It's only when you decide to go to shady looking porn sites or want to download games for free that you run into any risk. Plus, with pc you do not have to pay a monthly fee just to "connect to friends", online gaming is free the way it should be.

rainslacker3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

My video card is 5 years old. It was mid-range when I brought it. ROTTR is the first game that had it as a minimum requirement for any game I'm interested in.

A PC built/brought nowadays will easily last 5-6 years, as my computer is 5 years old, and will probably last me another 4-5. The biggest changes to PC hardware nowadays is really only in the GPU's, and developers are still catering to the lower spec'd chips because they are more ubiquitous. Newer RAM chips may be better, but DDR3 will serve people just fine for the foreseeable future.

PC has hundreds of ways to connect to friends or family, and it's not limited to the friends that only have the same platform.

UPlay and Origin exist on console, and people cheat in online games for the consoles as well. Viruses are about the only concern left to be honest, but a decent virus scanner and malware removal tool, free or otherwise, takes care of 99% of them if you don't just click everything that pops up on screen.

Consoles are easier to use, and a lower cost of entry, but most of the arguments I see against PC are simply people who are misinformed, and seem to hold onto notions dating back to the DOS and Windows 3.1 days. PC's certainly can be more problematic at times though, but hardly anything that would turn away most people if they actually knew that it's not the same crisis it may have been a decade or so ago.

Automatic793007d ago (Edited 3007d ago )

This is getting old but I am going to shed some light on the subject and also use some examples.

Quantum Break is made for the Xbox One first and formost, the PC is a port. PC gaming with Windows 10 is an extension on Xbox gaming. So when Phil states that they plan on Making Xbox One the best place to play I believe him. Hence the reason for making the pre-order more enticing with a digital code for the Windows 10 version.

Further, I am all for Xbox One being supported with new IP's, sequels and as much games as possible.

I do want to go on record and say MS needs to be more transparent and upfront with the way they are launching their games. So I won't act as if they are right about the way they delivered the news. This back lash could have been avoided if MS would have stated Quantum Break Windows 10 exclusive from the beginning.

Next I want to use Playstation 4 as an example to further prove the practice of exclusives, specifically 80% of it exclusive going to PC (this is not just Sony but MS) and in Sony's case, to all its extensions, such as PSVita, PS3 and or PC. It is becoming standard practice for all gaming consoles to have more revenue from its games with games getting bigger and more expensive.

In 2016 PS4 will launch the following exclusives and most of the exclusives coming will be on PC, PS3 and PSVita or in the alternative have been on the said platforms.

Gravity Rush Remaster- Vita
Street Fighter- PC
Heavy Rain Remastered- PS3
MLB The Show 16- PS3
Valkyria Chronicles Remastered- PS3
Odin Sphere-PS3, PSVita
Guilty Gear Xrd-PS3
Final Fantasy Remake 7- PC
No Man Sky-PC

The only exclusives on PS4 are Ratchet and Clank and Uncharted 4(announced with dates so far). Note: Don't know if Horizon coming this year and the Last Guardian, Gran Turismo, etc. The list above represents confirmed games with set dates.

For Both Xbox and PS4 more then 80% of the Indies are on PC. The same applies to the Multiplatform 3rd Party games.

PC has many of its exclusives coming over to Consoles as well.

Overall getting upset at MS for bringing Quantum Break to PC, an extension of Windows 10 is pointless this will help Xbox gamers get more games in the future.

So for all those stating that there is no longer a reason to buy Xbox One. Please think long and hard about what you are saying and don't cherry pick Xbox One only but look at the overall picture of gaming on consoles. Support games my fellow gamers. Leave the bs behind. We have a long and healthy gaming generation ahead of us, please don't ruin it.

Liqu1d3006d ago

Horizon, TLG and GTS are scheduled for 2016.

Aenea3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

I love how people think Windows 10 PCs are just another MS platform and equate it to Sony's PS3 and/or Vita!

Tobsesan3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

Because Windows 10 store is owned by apple right? Ps3,4 and Vita are sony platforms while Xbox 360, One and Windows 10 are MS platforms. Of course one could argue that Steam is its own platform, but if the games are only avalible at the MS Store itself its a nobrainer.

Also MS biggest competitors are Apple and Google and Sony isnt even close to that. They want to push Windows 10 to everyones PC. The Xbox One is also a Windows 10 device and Bill Gates said years ago they want to bring windows in peoples living rooms. This is why we see things like Crossplay/buy.

bartender643006d ago

Well, in this case it is, because quantum break is a MS owned IP, hence, there is no other way to play this game. if you don't own a win 10 pc with directx 12 capable video card and have access to the MS store with a live account, you cannot play on the PC, sure, you can buy a physical copy, but still, MS is the content owner of the game and you still need a win 10 PC to play.

You cannot play it on OSX, you cannot buy it from steam, and that's that. As far as I'm concerned, it is a MS exclusive, the same as PS games comming to vita and PS3. Matter of fact, with gamers having the choice to play PS games on samsung tv's via psnow, does that mean that PS is losing it's appeal? Does that negate or invalidate a purchase of one of the PS consoles? Further more, now that you can play PS games on other hardware other than sony's, does that mean that games aren't playstation exlcusives anymore? Help me, I'm puzzled here!

Dark_Crow3006d ago

Windows 10....who does that belong to?

Aenea3006d ago

PCs... which hardware manufacturer does that belong to??

xasz3006d ago

These games will be released on their own store. Not Steam.

Who owns the Windows 10 store?

Who ends up getting the cut when 3rd parties release their software on the Windows 10 store?

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Aenea3006d ago

And BTW, I rather buy an Xbox One than a new expensive gaming PC, my current one can't be upgraded so would need to start anew.

But this move by MS kinda makes me wonder what MS's plans for the future are and makes me somewhat afraid for the future of Xbox consoles...

Mrgolden793006d ago

So.... What you're saying is...since I own a windows 10 pc, that is "an extension of Xbox gaming". So there's no reason for me to own an Xbox. Kinda the point of the article.

bartender643006d ago

No, it means, that is an extension, and as long as you have a pc with xbox o e, you have the option to alternate gaming platforms with things like cross buy and cross saves. Since when having options to either, play in the comodity and space of your living room or in front of a desk on your pc is such a bad thing!? Sometimes people gets tired of playing on the PC and want to go to the bigscreen TV to relax and keep playing there, better yet, you don't have to move or replace hardware. You have the option to play on the best settup that suits you. The way I see it, MS is rewarding people that have a PC and xbox one.

Mrgolden793006d ago

@bartender I never said that it was a bad thing. If that is what you're looking for, great on you buddy. For me personally I am happy with getting MS games on my PC without having to buy an Xbox. I'm not even interested in Quantum break, but I love having the option to play it on my pc if I want to.

gamertk4213006d ago

Well, QB was shown before system launch. At that time, they probably didn't envision that PS4 would have about a 2:1 lead, nor that a timed exclusive like ROTR would perform quite so poorly. This is obviously reactionary to the current state of the generation. We've already seen a change in Microsoft leadership at the CEO and head of Xbox levels, so changes in business direction should be expected. I'm an Xboxer, but I see the brand eventually becoming a service and being PC centric.

DigitalRaptor3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

Lito, again, ignorantly casting doubt on the 2016 PS4 exclusive lineup.

HILARIOUS. Horizon: Zero Dawn, The Last Guardian are confirmed for 2016. Gravity Rush 2 is confirmed for 2016. Ni-Oh and NieR: Automata are confirmed for 2016 too. Crackdown 3 has gutted half the game so they can say it's coming out in 2016, and it will probably be on PC too (which they won't be honest about until it's announced). If you can call Crackdown 3's half a game - an exclusive, then GT Sport beta (if not the full game) and Dreams beta are valid inclusions in what additional PS4 exclusives are coming in 2016.

Trying to pretend as though PS4 has "80%" of its exclusives going to PC is hilarious. The discussion is that games that people thought were defining the Xbox exclusively and reasons they bought it, are now going to PC. You forget that it's normal that most consoles are around 80% multiplatform, but they need plenty PROPER exclusives. Xbox One is gaining towards 99% multiplatform status and that is terrible. It's not comparable to the NORMAL status of the PS4's exclusive lineup.

So the point is, Xbox One is becoming a console that is becoming 99.9% multiplatform and at a loss for identity. Trying to draw parallels between that and PS4's games coming from other platforms is one epic fail when you figure out that PS4 has so much more that is actually exclusive and comes to their FIRST-PARTY lineup. The vast majority of Xbox One's first party lineup in 2016 is coming to PC, you can't say that about PS4. I don't even think XB1 has any exclusive INDIE games. PS4 has several including What Remains of Edith Finch, The Tomorrow Children, Drawn to Death, Alienation and Shadow of the Beast.

Then you're forgetting the PSVR exclusives like RIGS, Until Dawn: Rush of Blood, London Heist. It has even more games to represent its level of true exclusivity over the Xbox so your comparison is limp, desperate and plainly thought out.

And again..... PS4 has been getting cross-gen "exclusive" games for years now. That hasn't spelled bad news for PS4. You see, we aren't discussing the impact of new-gen games having a last-gen versions here. We are discussing the impact of consoles being remembered for being 99.9% multiplatform. Xbox is in the process of losing its identity to PC.

You don't have to admit that Xbox is irrelevant to you, because it's clearly not, but the article represents a perfectly valid level of questioning. There are so many people out there that wonder why they should buy a console or continue investing in a console that has very few true exclusives - the things that DEFINE a console in the long-term.

freshslicepizza3006d ago

answer this then, are you going to play the new hitman game on the pc or ps4? i find it hilarious how all of the sudden ps4 gamers are pc gamers because xbox one console exclusives are on the pc. you never did answer what percentage of ps4 owners are also pc gamers.

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majedx93006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

people need to understand that ps3 and ps4 exclusives shearing is not like xbon and pc
no ps4 fan will call a ps3 gamer a filthy peasant!
some of the pc elitist call consoles gamer this all the time
so i understand why the xbon fans are mad.

rainslacker3006d ago (Edited 3006d ago )

Not sure what you're point is about the exclusives count. At least 90% of all games released for consoles are always multi-plat for multiple consoles or/and PC. That's nothing new. Probably 3 in 4 "exclusives" is usually multi-plat as well. Been like that for a while.

One of the major talking points of how people define which console is better is it's true 100% exclusive content, and often content which is semi-exclusive within the eco-system(PS3/4/Vita for example), and depending on the argument, the PC is either ignored or highlighted to say that it is or isn't an exclusive.

The point being, Exclusive content is a major talking point on why people should buy the console. If the majority of MS 1st/2nd party published games(which account for most of Xbox's true exclusives) are now no longer true exclusives, it does take away some of the weight behind the argument that you can only play them on the Xbox console itself.

I don't think there's anyone in these threads who isn't guilty of using the exclusive list argument to push their preference....me and you included. But it seems that now, the definition is being redefined as it's platform(win10) exclusive. However, when I say MS is publishing to a platform, instead of a console, I get disagrees for what I assume is people assuming I'm trying to troll the system.

What it comes down to, is that if MS makes all, or the vast majority of their 1st/2nd party published games available to PC gamers, it changes the entire argument on which console is the one that's worth getting.

There is still reason to buy an X1, or any console should one prefer. Consoles offer something different than PC's, and it is its own market. However, MS has removed potential customers from their console, because they have made more options available to play the actual game, and because of that, the Xbox console itself is going to take a hit. Maybe not a huge one, but a hit none the less.

On a side note,

how many PC gamers here actually say they game on a windows platform? Do you say you game on a PC, or do you say you game on Windows? The only people I've seen say that they game on windows are Xbox console gamers. Gotta admit though, MS did a good job at getting some people to say that Windows is what's important in the whole concept of PC(and console) gaming. But if you really look hard, it's only Xbox gamers who say this kind of thing.

Congratulations master race(not meant as an insult), you've just entered the realm of game console war bickering with Xbox gamers to show you the way. Welcome to the club.

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Zoombael3005d ago

Sure, to take only games with exact release dates is convenient. However, you forgot to apply this rule the console exclusives you've listed. There is no release date for FF7R, not even the year is determined. Same goes for No Mans Sky. June 2016 is all we got.

Why should it matter? Does it mean the game will be released 100% at this exact date? No. XCom2 was scheduled for November 2015. Got delayed. And it came out February 2016. So even if there were tighter release windows, it would be not guaranteed.

So there aren't only...

Uncharted4
Ratched&Clank

Btw. you forgot...

Shadow of the Beast
Alienation

but also...

Zero Dawn Horizon
GT Sport
Dreams
The Last Guardian
Gravity Rush 2
What Remains of Edith Finch
Nioh
Ace Combat 7
The Tomorrow Children
Valkyria: Azure Revolution

And whole bunch more with expected 2016 release (eg Rime, Wild, Wattam).

I'm not saying all of those will come 2016 or even that they will stay exclusive. But it's kinda ridiculus to name Uncharted and R&C, saying those are the only PS4 exclusives for 2016 because they are the only ones with exact release dates.

"We have a long and healthy gaming generation ahead of us, please don't ruin it."

Now that Microsoft is out of the way it definitely will.

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It's Time To Stop Giving Xbox Boss Phil Spencer A Pass

Under his leadership, many have lost their jobs and fewer games have made it out the door.

purple10114h ago

people should call for his resignation, he has literally flushed xbox down the toilet.
another 3 studios closed today, thats it now, get out

Tody_ZA13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Well purple101 you'd have to convince Observer and the other Xbox faithful that these studio closures and the fallout from the acquisitions is a bad thing and a sign of what's to come, and I don't think you're going to do that.

Nobody has managed that feat.

Redgrave12h ago

Obscure and Zeref have been summoned to the floor to give their account of these proceedings.

VenomUK12h ago

I 100% blame 'nice guy Phil' for the death of Xbox. The thing to realise is the Xbox Series S & X are performing WORST in console sales and game sales than the much criticised Xbox One - how can this be?

His two big mistakes were 1-not developing enough exclusives and 2 - always trying to beat PlayStation. If he made more exclusives over his decade reign and not tried to 'win' then classic Xbox would still be here in a profitable third place. Instead he tried a series of different projects to win and he ended up ultimately destroying Xbox by changing its relationship with its most loyal customers. What did he do?

* Phil spent a decade only release new iterations of Halo, Forza and Gears and not investing in creating new first party studios and IP. He mishandled Scalebound and shutdown Lionhead Studios.

* Phil tried Mixer, a streaming channel that could be used to promote Xbox dominance with free giveaways...

* Phil tried to create a streaming service that he regarded as too superior to consider PlayStation and Nintendo as competitors! But would instead compete with Netflix and Google...

* But his worst mistake was Xbox Game Pass - a multi billion dollar investment that could only work if completely dominated the worldwide gaming market - but it didn't. Instead it changed the culture of Xbox gamers so they resented spending on third party games as they were now trained to expect everything for free. Now all the games Microsoft had invested so much in were not only NOT making money from other platforms, as ever, but they were now NOT EVEN making money from Xbox customers.

If Phil Spencer had just concentrated on making new games and not non-stop gimmicks to beat PlayStation, I genuinely believe the Xbox would be an attractive platform with regular exclusives like Halo but with others too that would give it its distinct identity and maintain a profitable existence. Phil's been in charge for over a decade, the blame lays at his feet.

Chevalier5h ago

Nah idiots like those 2 are lost causes. Just look at the idiotic floundering comments already being posted.

amazinglover11h ago

Last MS financial results for FY24 Q2 which is the company's sales data through Dec. 31, 2023. According to the earnings, gaming revenue is up 49% year-over-year.

That doesn't sound like he flushing it down the toilet and that also makes very unlikely he loses his job any time soon.

crazyCoconuts11h ago

Revenue up due to acquisition... Spending 10s of billions for new companies of course revenue is up. They don't tell us profits but they wouldn't be shutting down these divisions if they were in the black. Pretty sure they're shifting so radically because their current state has been an abject failure

Scissorman10h ago

This is 100% due to Activision Blizzard. If that deal had not gone through, Xbox revenue would be flat, which means a game like Starfield failed to move the needle.

rlow19h ago

@crazyCoconuts
While I agree that Phil and team have gone back on their word. Especially the last six years of promises.

But I disagree on your logic about the revenue.
They bought the companies to boost their gaming division revenue. In that regard they were very successful. They are owned by MS so your point is moot.

Lightning776h ago

They made all that money and still doing studio shutdowns...

It's bottomless pit of money MS wants. There's no amount of money MS can make to save their own studios. They're doing it out greed and general incompetence. Calling Phil's head won't mean anything or do anything for MS. They'll still destroy regardless.

Chevalier5h ago

Damn idiots don't know how to read revenue reports. Revenue was due to folding in Activision Blizzard Revenue. They were up 61% due to Activision Blizzard with 62% increase. So they only went up 1% over last year. But idiots going to be idiots thinking Spencer is helping Xbox right now. Lol

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Jingsing1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

It is funny that it was him finally touching Bethesda that was the straw that finally broke the camels back. They should have been calling for this years ago.

Tacoboto14h ago

Phil needs to go. His time is over. When you oversee layoff after layoff after studio closure after studio closure, it's impossible to keep going forward and have people - employees and fans alike - trust you in any way.

Especially after HiFi Rush hit their metrics. I guess we know what to expect for Ninja Theory next once Hellblade is out, and Machine Games once Indiana's out & Todd Howard focuses back on ES6.

Lightning776h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Ninja Theory won't last after HB2. Because it won't hit some impossible metric in order to be a success at MS.

Expect NT to be gone in a years time also. Where the hells the advertising for Hellblade 2? Another MS issue they do to themselves bunch of clowns.

Tacoboto6h ago

Their first-announced Series game going out like this. Their marketing so far has just been a daily tweet or two the last week.

And now this will overshadow everything up till and through its release. Maybe Ninja Theory will get the same dignity as Tango and bow out with a better PS5 port.

Chevalier5h ago

Hellblade 2 out in 2 weeks and no one will even remember it by the beginning of June

Chevalier5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Just watch Outer World's 2 also be dead on arrival without Playstation and Nintendo gamers buying that game you can expect Gamepass to kill that IP too. Ditto for making that contract to exclude Playstation gamers from getting Indiana Jones too. Remember how Tomb Raider sales were on Playstation after the 1 year exclusivity? Expect even worse for Indiana Jones too

mastershredder14h ago

It's not just Phil (Phil is just the dumb kid taking the money) and Kotaku is NOT the voice to listen to as shi7 sites like Kotaku helped contribute to modern gaming toxicity and disinformation. Kotaku staff = Much like Phil, and yes need to go.

Moegooner14h ago

MS has been posting record profits, you think they give a crap about games and gamers? Think again.

DOMination-14h ago

What a prat.

People gave him and Matt Booty the benefit of the doubt for a few years due to the mess they inherited but a decade on and all they've done is ruin gaming for everyone.

The only success they've had is MS Flight Simulator which was developed by a third party anyway - and Forza Horizon which by pure coincidence went downhill in quality the second Playground were acquired (imo) and that's all I can think of. Everything else they've touched has been ruined.

It's genuinely staggering how either of these two guys are still there.

Hofstaderman14h ago

Phil didnt even inherit a mess, he was equally responsible for it because he sat on the executive so the kinect and XBONE roadmap vision was also on him. Mattrick was the convenient public scapegoat back then but now theres no one to place the blame on.

Tacoboto13h ago

If they're to keep anyone, I'd hope it would be Sarah Bond. She's at least consistent, constantly doing quick tweets with green emojis where she can, repping the brand, saying the next hardware will be the biggest leap ever (whatever that means).

Phil Spencer openly minimizes Xbox by going out of his way to congratulate competitors and talking about how great playing non-Xbox devices are; if only Xbox had someone that could even pretend to like Xbox for being Xbox.

LoveSpuds13h ago

This is the point I always found frustrating, the whitewashing of Spencers reputation when he got promoted. He was involved in the slide into mediocrity of the 360 generation!

Aloymetal13h ago

The worse is yet to come and their fanbase don't know it yet, someone at MS posted and deleted a tweet saying all their main ''exclusives'' Halo, Forza, Gears etc will be heading to PS soon so grab a front seat ticket and some popcorn and enjoy the show;) The crying will be hilarious.

Notellin12h ago

Yeah he is absolutely responsible for the abysmal state of Xbox. I can't tell Mattrick and Spencer apart at this point. Both have been horrible executives for the Xbox brand.

Lightning776h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Phil's responsible for this generations mess. Phil was the one following orders under Steve Balmer and Don Mattrick.

Don even admitted he messed up on camera with the Xbox documentary

Let's keep the facts straight. Everything currently now is Phil's fault.

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Microsoft Closes Redfall Developer Arkane Austin, Hi-Fi Rush Developer Tango Gameworks, and More

Microsoft has closed a number of Bethesda studios, including Redfall maker Arkane Austin, Hi-Fi Rush developer Tango Gameworks, and more in devastating cuts at Bethesda, IGN can confirm.

Moegooner20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Hi-Fi Rush studio??? Seriously?? Goes to show quality matters lil to MS.

Worst gen ever. All big 3 battling are for who sucks the most. They just keep one upping one another.

-Foxtrot19h ago

This does feel like a “quick Sony is getting shit on for Helldivers, let’s announce it now to minimise impact”

thesoftware73019h ago

That is silly. Let's say there is some weird conspiracy. This announcement would effectively take ALL the attention away from the HD2 situation, especially since there is no longer an HD2 situation. I don't think anything will minimize this impact.

Tacoboto19h ago

... so they announce it on a Tuesday? 36 hours after Sony cleared up everything?

You people care more about the next conspiracy than anything else.

Nevermind that Sony followed the golden rule of minimizing impact by announcing horrible news on a Friday.

Eonjay19h ago

The constant weekly weird Sony drama is part of the industry's problem. Everyone else feels they can get away with murder. Also, what is the point of spending all that money if you just start shutting studios down. And... Redfall wasn't Arkane's fought. Microsoft new the shape the game was in but needed something for GamePass after a whole year of no releases into the service. Them taking it out on Arkane seems really disingenuous and distasteful. And WTF did Tango do? Didn't Todd just release a statement saying how he would never retire. Fire his ass.

romulus2319h ago

Well if that was the reason for the timing it didn't work.

darthv7218h ago

wow... i did not have them closing Tango and Arkane Austin on my bingo card.

Hofstaderman18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Yes it does. Arkane Austin I can understand but Tango Gameworks made an excellent game in Hi Fi Rush.
On review, it want really all on Austin for Redfall and its failure, they were forced to make a multiplayer games when their expertise was always single player driven first person games.

-Foxtrot18h ago

Guys I’m not being all that serious…relax

Outside_ofthe_Box17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

"I don't think anything will minimize this impact."

It already has. Notice your comment(or lack there of) vs HD2.

On another note, I would like to see Microsoft buy more studios and do more shadows drops on subscription services like they did Hi-Fi Rush. It's great for the industry I was told by people on here.

Zeref16h ago(Edited 16h ago)

I'm pretty sure that's exactly how it works. Same thing with layoffs. All of a sudden everyone has layoffs around the same time

Cacabunga14h ago

MS will always make it to amaze me by showing the worse version of themselves every single time..

peppeaccardo14h ago

MS proving to the world that ttheir leadership cannot drive success from these new acquisitions. They have ran the numbers and they have realized that long term, without a clear direction from the motehrship, these are a loss for the company hence they need to be cut. I might be wrong but I am absolutelly sure that if these developers would have not been purchased by Microsoft they would be still on business. A shame ...

senorfartcushion1h ago

Both things have happened but N4G's commenters (90% Playstation ) will follow suit

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Einhander197219h ago(Edited 19h ago)

10/10 deflection, the ol' Sony too deflect...

Let's not discuss the fact that PlayStations struggles have largely been caused by the fact that game pass has reshaped how consumers spend causing them to spend less as they play what is on subscriptions and don't buy games as much because they either have become subscription gamers or they fear the game will come to a subscription so they don't buy things.

And it's not just PlayStation, the whole industry has been effected, many big studios are struggling across the board to match sales targets from pre-game pass releases which is especially apparent in things like sequels.

Heck the best example was Microsoft's own Starfield which should have easily blasted past 10m sales by the end of 2023 going by sales of similar Bethesda games yet was only able to achieve 3m which of course was almost entirely on Steam.

Moegooner19h ago

Or maybe it's because Sony hasn't released multiple worthwhile SP games like they normally do each gen and the ones they did released actually sold well.

Layoffs aren't because studios are struggling, but because major publishers want to maximise profit gains.

Profchaos19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Absolutely it's a service that's changed the way we view and consume games overall for the worse games have little value when they are part of a sub and become disposable doubly so if they are a day 1 freebie often it's the kiss of death for a game to be day 1 on gamepass as PlayStation players look at it like why do I have to pay 60 dollars for back 4 blood, payday 3 or outriders it'll be on PS plus soon enough and funny enough those games always fail to meet expectations sales are poor and longevity is poor.

When I see a game get a day 1 tag outside of first party my first thought is always something is wrong with it and it can't stand on its own feet so the publisher has made a deal to recoup development cost.

Even first party games have dropped in quality noticeably so since gamepass with gears 5 being the only good release I can think of since gamepass started

Petebloodyonion18h ago

Wasn't aware that Gamepass is available on PlayStation.
Or are you telling us that a service from a console lacking in sales is so great that it affects the morale and buying habits of ppl lacking access to the service?

Also pretty sure that saying all of them competing for who sucks means the whole industry and not just Sony and MS.

Nitrowolf219h ago(Edited 19h ago)

This is what people online want. They just don't know or understand it. So many have warned about consolidation, and exactly what they have fear has been happening

This isn't the end, expect more bought out studios to be closed in the next few years

Hofstaderman18h ago

Spot on. All in the name "growth" to appease investors and shareholders. Can't sustain the lie though...it will always implode as illustrated by these closures. Applies to MS and Embracer.

TiredGamer12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

This. ^

Publishers are slowly mitigating all development risk since every new big/medium budget game has become too big to fail. Games are too expensive to make and the profitability for titles rests on a hair’s edge. When you need to sell 5 million copies of a game to be profitable, you know that we’ve turned a new page in gaming. The real victims here are the smaller studios/games that bring so much character and variety to the industry, like with Hi-Fi Rush.

It looks to me that Hi-Fi Rush did not fulfill financial expectations for moving the GamePass needle, and the sales from the PlayStation port experiment did not measure up either. So it gets the boot.

Sad day and era for gaming.

notachance9h ago

yeah smaller ABK studios like Toys For Bob are now in dangers

notachance18h ago

I just don’t know how the hell a company that can spend $67b to purchase a publisher decided that it’s okay to close the studio that produces their best game last year.

Whoever the higher up there that decides this is completely out of touch of how the game industry works, the damn xbox division as a whole would’ve been closed already if they weren’t sustained by other MS divisions.

shinoff218318h ago

I got in an argument with someone on reddit and they weren't haven't that Xbox isn't propped up by other divisions argument. They swore up and down that Xbox was pulling its own weight. I just stopped after a couple back and forths

TiredGamer12h ago

Didn’t move the GamePass needle and the PlayStation port couldn’t save the return on investment….

dumahim18h ago

So this is what happens when you're pleased with the sales and investing in the studio? Good guy Phil at it again.

Sonic188117h ago(Edited 17h ago)

From Aaron Greenburg:

"Hi-Fi RUSH was a break out hit for us and our players in all key measurements and expectations. We couldn’t be happier with what the team at Tango Gameworks delivered with this surprise release."

😂😂😂 🤥🤥

Lightning7717h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Once again MS creates their own problems and they create their own animosity. Idc about their shitty excuse and "reasons" they're a incompetent company, plus all their Xbox fanboy influencers are dwindling I noticed. How many excuses can you make for a company like MS? Consoles are down and they're losing their own fanboy influencers also. That's all they had to cheer lead them now they're leaving them. Pretty nobody will be on MS dude no matter if they (if they ever but I doubt it) get their act together.

Trashy ass ppl and company....

If they go under eventual it's because of their own doing nobody else's.

porkChop14h ago

Yeah overall this gen is pretty shit. Everyone is making horrible decisions, great devs are getting either gutted or entirely shut down regardless of quality or success, very little in the way of innovative games, etc. This industry needs to see some drastic changes.

badz1494h ago

where are all the cheerleaders for MS acquisitions amid all these?? you guys happy now? this will not be the end of it, maybe just the beginning!

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shadowT20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Tango Gameworks and Arkane?

RaidenBlack19h ago

Arkane Austin (Prey developer)
Not Arkane Lyon ( Dishonored developer)

Crows9018h ago

Prey was fantastic. Red fall was shit because they were forced to do shit they didn't want to make.

Atkane Lyon did death loop I believe....I hated that one.

shinoff218318h ago

I personally liked prey more.

RaidenBlack18h ago

@shinoff2183
Because Prey was creative and different
Other than the live service Redfall, all other single-player Arkane projects have been creative and interesting

Tankbusta4017h ago

@Crows90

So just because people don't want to do something in life...bad quality is excused? Look what happened over that bad quality? no more studio

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MrDead18h ago

Will be more soon, I've said it before I can't see MS keeping Bethesda. I think they'll strip it's IPs and slowly close everything, it's what they do.

VariantAEC17h ago

No one wants to admit it, but yeah MS has a long history of pillaging other smaller corporations for IP and dispensing with everything else.

Zeref16h ago

That doesn't make any sense lol. How would they make money from these IP'S with no developers?

MrDead15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

@Zeref
"That doesn't make any sense lol. How would they make money from these IP'S with no developers?"

MS don't care about the studios, they want the IP's. They'll keep the big ones in house, the game engines they run on and licence the rest. Stacks of cash to be made from licensing IP's ...or just sit on them so no one else can use them.

blackblades12h ago

@Zeref silly fool, buy them for the IP have there other studios make the games using the IP names to sell them. We all know having a popular franchise name can sell

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Einhander197220h ago(Edited 20h ago)

Well xbox fans you got what you asked for... and honestly deserved...

It was so easily predictable that game pass was never going to be able to support all these studios.

If Microsoft can't win they are going to burn it all to the ground...

Countdown to Phil Spencer telling us "it's better for the gamers this way" yet again.

Barlos18h ago

Agree but gamers didn't ask for people to be out of work.

VenomUK17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

@Barlos They indirectly did. Every person who made a wish list of who Microsoft should buy next and were sending tweets to Phil Spencer and Xbox with proposed studios, played a part.

The saddest part is the studios were closed because of the underperformance of their last games, and if they had been given a chance then their next games could’ve been great and succeeded. But it is the same old Phil Spencer Microsoft problem which is not giving them a chance, and that’s why he is not able to manage game studios.

VariantAEC17h ago

Yeah they did. Just because they refused to see what everyone with a brain was telling them doesn't mean they didn't know. They were told, they should've put up a fight and they didn't. This is the result. But who knows even if MS' fans weren't such boot-lickers, MS could've carried this out against their fans wishes anyway. Unfortunately, we have the hardcore MS defense bots running to deflect from any bad news and maybe, just maybe, MS felt empowered to do more damage as a result of their fans cheering this all on.

anast16h ago

They sold themselves out. Once people buy you they can do what they want. None of this should have been a surprise. When companies get bought out, they eventually get dismantled.

shinoff218318h ago

Xbox fans were to busy daydreaming of Ms curbstopping Sony they didn't look at the big picture.

Einhander197218h ago

Not disagreeing at all.

I want to add that from the day Microsoft announced game pass, before they even started buying up studios it was obvious that game pass wasn't going to be able to support itself.

It was so dumb that they doubled down on it by spending 100B on a service they knew only existed through subsidization.

They should have realized there was no way that adding massively more costs on a subscription they were subsidizing was certain to fail. Especially after seeing how it had devastated sales across the platform as a whole.

Heck by the time this generation started during covid when the console sales were similar PlayStation was already outselling xbox on multiplatform games 8:1 yet they still doubled down on it.

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Relientk7720h ago

This is beyond wrong. Like wtf!? Especially Tango Gameworks with Hi-Fi Rush. I've heard nothing but good things about that game. Just because Arkane Austin screwed up one game release doesn't mean you need to close them. It sounds like they were forced to do a multiplayer game when they're a single player studio. They could have made a Prey 2 or some other game next.

Just wow awful news.

Einhander197219h ago

Apparently PlayStation owners didn't buy enough copies of Hi-Fi Rush...

romulus2319h ago

"Xbox says Hi-Fi Rush was a success "in all key measurements" amid rumors of poor sales. Following rumors that Tango Gameworks' Hi-Fish Rush didn't meet sales expectations, Xbox marketing VP Aaron Greenburg is defending the "break out hit" as a success by all metrics."

According to Aaron Greenburg it was a success so they shouldn't have even needed PlayStation owners to buy it. That being said, I bought it and really enjoyed it, it's a great game. Shame MS closed them down.

RpgSama19h ago

@Romulus23

All lies by the Green Bug, that just means that a lot of people fired bullets or whatever in the game, that's the key measurements they care to share.

Tango did NOT deserve to be closed down, they have not released a single bad game.

Crows9018h ago

That's usually what happens when you don't release it at the same time as other platforms....same thing happened with tomb raider reboot sequel. MS got exclusivity for a year and then when it came to PlayStation it barely sold. Nobody cared anymore.

shinoff218318h ago

Still waiting on the physical release pre order window

VariantAEC17h ago

Well... I did my part. Hi-Fi Rush is a good game, but I don't think its MS' style. We don't really know how well it did or didn't perform by the numbers or whether it broke even. This could just be another MS blunder.

Elda16h ago

Exactly. MS purchasing a 3rd party studio & keeping games off of other platforms probably hurt them in the long run, then finally putting Hi Fi Rush on PS which in turn PS fans probably didn't care to buy & support Hi Fi Rush after a year later of release. Hi Fi Rush was released on Gamepass so it probably never really made any money selling solely.

Eonjay15h ago

@romulus23

Let's hope it didn't sell well because that would make this worse. Also I could have sworn I read an article about their next game in the works.

Seraphim13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

I was wondering if that played any part considering the timing, though, XB claimed the game to be a success last year only on XB & PC. Regardless MS f'd up there too. They shadow dropped HiFi on XB/PC last year at the perfect time. This year when they released on PS not only had the hype died, but there were so many solid games available the first 3 months of this year to play.

I almost bought it on PC last year, but now that it dropped on PS I just have far too many games to play to bother...

If MS needs PS and even Switch sales they need a better strategy. At the very least a release date where players are more inticed to buy said game. The problem is always going to be that if they want exclusives the hype for these games will be dead a year later. The exceptions might be some of their heavy hitters.... 2 cents

Angyobangyo24m ago(Edited 23m ago)

PS and PC owners probably bought more copies that Xbox owners.

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CrashMania19h ago

I can only imagine the little amount of revenue both games generated, sent straight to gamepass and excluded from the largest current gen console userbase. Not to say both games would have done well if they were on PS5 too, but you heavily damage to a games revenue when you put it on a stagnating sub service for a poorly selling console, can't really see people going out in droves to sub to GP to play this.

shinoff218318h ago

Gamepass subs(most of Xbox players) don't buy games all like that so it's not sustainable. It's reality.

RaidenBlack19h ago

Yea Austin made one of the most creative game of last gen with Prey and were forced to take risk with Redfall and now the whole studio is being closed.

Aphrodia19h ago

Yes, that Tango gameworks/ Hi-Fi closure was an eye opener for me as well. Neither played it nor was interested in it myself but all I heard was everyone acting like it was the second coming of guitar hero or something.

I don't know what else to say other than modern gaming is an overwhelming sea of mediocrity and there's not enough voices of reason speaking up and saying that most games made these days are just not very good.

shinoff218318h ago

Your playing the wrong games then. There's always been shovelware type games. Going back to wii, snes, nes, ps1 Xbox og. That's a bs blanket statement. As an older gamer since atari days I'd personally say this is a great time. If you can't find anything to play. That's on you

With all that said in no way or form am I speaking of multi-player games, gacha, or whatever. I'm strictly speaking on single player games.

Aphrodia15h ago

you are hilarious. trying to validate your comment by excluding over half of the games out there today. Pathetic man.

Neonridr17h ago

I'm more devastated at the loss of The Evil Within.

Chevalier7h ago

Wait I was told Xbox had great engagement numbers?! Some Xbox fans said they bought games when I told them Xbox customers don't buy games?

So Xbox bought studios to keep games off other platforms and forgot they conditioned Xbox customers to not buy games. Whoops.

So anyone else think Outer World's 2 dies 🤔? I'm thinking a small game losing out on Nintendo and Playstation gamers buying will kill this IP. But it's okay Xbox fans can get more COD! Halo, Gears and Forza! Woot that's a 'win'. Yay Gamepass FTW

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CrashMania19h ago

Can't wait to see the usual try spin and play this down. So much for the heroic MS and Phil saving these studios eh.

Eonjay19h ago

By the end of the day IGN will be talking about how this is right for the industry. Don't worry, Microsoft's PR is making the call now.

RpgSama19h ago

Tango did NOT deserve to be closed down, they have not released a single bad game, and I'm sure Arkhane failed just because they were both rushed and pressured into making a GaaS game they had no experience in doing and no support to get it completed out of the gate.

PrinceOfAnger19h ago

Not a big deal only hi fi rush was good

Sony has closed
Manchester studio
Japan studio
Pixel opus
London studio
Ready At Dawn ...

RupeeHoarder19h ago

The difference being Sony has a large group of other studios that have done something positive. Microsoft just closed the studio to the only good game they released in the past year (Hi-Fi Rush).

CrashMania19h ago

They all suck as well of course. But MS spent 10s of billions on these publishers for mass consolidation, every made a song and dance about how MS would save them, using their endless Windows, 365 and Azure money to keep them open forever and how Phil was some hero.

Nothing is safe unless it makes money, even for MS.

romulus2319h ago

It is a big deal.

Microsoft has closed
Fasa Studios
Digital Anvil
Ensemble
Lionhead Studios
Press Play
Arkane Austin
Tango Gameworks

Einhander197219h ago(Edited 18h ago)

Wow how far back do you want to go back.

Lionhead Studios
Aces Game Studio
BigPark
Carbonated Game
Digital Anvil
Ensemble Studios
FASA Studio
Good Science Studio
Hired Gun
Microsoft Studios Japan
Microsoft Studios Victoria
Team Dakota
Xbox Entertainment Studios
Xbox Live Productions
Lift London
Access Software
Salt Lake Games Studio
Twisted Pixel Games
WingNut Interactive

And more before this, this was just their cuts during xbone era that Phil cut while he was at the head.

And some of those PlayStation studios were merged not closed, most of the UK studios were folded into each other.

Japan Studio was renamed to Asobi not closed, aAsobi was an internal team of Japan Studio the "closure" the press misinformed people about was more or less a name change, the studio is in the same building and when the change happened less than 5 people mostly leadership positions chose to leave the studio to form Bokeh Studio, which still works closely with Sony.

And even if your deflection stood on it's own, Microsoft spent 3 Billion 3 years ago almost to the date to buy Zenimax and has already closed 2 of it's biggest studios and decimated Zenimax's support studio structure.

It's no wonder Todd Howard was talking about "more frequent releases" and letting other studios make their IP's games. The days of big budget huge Bethesda games is over...

In fact sadly Microsoft has ushered in the end of big budget gaming as we know it with their obviously unsustainable subscription industry change.

And I feel fully confident that this isn't the end of studio closures from these recently purchased studios.

Abnor_Mal19h ago

Ready At Dawn was never a Sony owned studio, and only made a few smaller God of War games and a Jax and Daxter spin off, and of course The Order1866.

They are currently owned by OcUlus Studios.

MrDead18h ago

How many times has MS fired Bethesda staff since they purchased it? I think it's been three rounds so far

BehindTheRows18h ago

Deflection is the finest form of delusion.

shinoff218318h ago

London studio what have they made recently. Really the worst one was Japan studio. That sucked.

In reality though your deflecting. The fact of the matter is Ms just closed the studio that made their highest rated game in years. That's insane.

Hofstaderman18h ago

Also many of those staff were absorbed into other studios.

VariantAEC17h ago(Edited 16h ago)

Ready At Dawn was never a PS first party studio.
Manchester was closed and it was proposed that London should be closed, but their website is still up with no news about it being closed on their official site anywhere. So it's possible that the proposed closure just did not happen to get fufilled. Meaning London Studio *MIGHT* still be open running lean.

Edit: Japan Studio was closed with some staff making up the new Asobi Team Studio who's first title was the PS5 pack-in game "Astro's Playroom." Pixel Opus was closed and not replaced or spun-off their only games were Entwined and Concrete Genie they also helped publish Journey according to Wikipedia.

Chevalier7h ago

Man you got crap info

Sony never owned Ready at Dawn. It's now owned by Oculus.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/...

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Tacoboto19h ago

Phil needs to step down. What kind of usual spin do you want?

More and more people lose jobs but the people at the top stay the same. Hardware sales tank despite billions and billions spent. The math is plain and simple.

Sonic188118h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I'm still trying to figure out what was the real reason to acquire Bethesda for millions or Billions of dollars if you're closing down studios 🤔 What were their true intentions 🤔 I mean do Microsoft really want to be a third-party publisher? It sounds like they're confused.with their future in gaming

VariantAEC16h ago

@Sonic1881
To rape each studio for their sweet succulent ultra-valuable IP. This is Microsoft's favorite past-time.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest7d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN7d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan7d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor6d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic6d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv726d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts6d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares7d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv727d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka7d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion7d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer7d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow17d ago (Edited 7d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer7d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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