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Is EA's Dead Space series dead in the water?

Keith: Back during 2008, EA and a new and upcoming development crew, Visceral Games, shocked the gaming world with a new kind of survival horror game. That game was known as Dead Space. Set far head in the future, the story of Dead Space revolved around combining sci-fi survival horror, nasty aliens called necromorphs, religion, and a hefty amount of action. Taking cues from other survival horror games, especially from Resident Evil (who Visceral Games were big fans of), Dead Space was easily one of my favorite games and I was surprised to find so many different elements that the game incorporated and how accessible the title was. In fact I played that game twice through it’s lifetime. Thirsting for more, I eagerly awaited the anticipated sequel that would eventually arrive several years later during January 2011.

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-Foxtrot3027d ago

Well it's their fault

Despite seeing Capcoms mistakes with Resident Evil and those fans flock to Dead Space for their survival horror experience they basically stabbed their of us in the back and did the same thing Capcom did by going after the action crowd with Dead Space 3.

Co-op
Ruined Ellie as a character
Brought in a generic, space marine type character
Human enemies with guns
Story was poor
Isolation and fear was gone
Universal ammo
Big guns and craft benches
Always ammo

It's worse then what Capcom did to Resident Evil because they saw it didn't work out for Resident Evil and they STILL went down that path. They could have picked up broken hearted RE fans after RE6 but ruined their chances.

jerethdagryphon3027d ago

They way dead space 3 went was the only way it could have think . issac in one had no idea what was happening now did we. So everytging was frightning. In deadspace 2 issac is coming to terms with what happened and is messed up. But he knows more about what to expect. So they added the pack and used errieness to expand it rather thwn shock tatics. Dead space 3 he knows he expects and hes learned he keeps a cutter near him he expects it. Yes crafting was bad so was universal ammo (dont remember universal ammo though) but it had to be more action the story was less wtf and more race to stop unitoligy. The marine worked. Ecause hes new to it all and issac can give a solid back to him as hes been there. Coop was fine only because of the nature of it.

Bassically games and chars lrarn and grow we arent affected by the same tricks we knew where they would come from and we tested corpses to make sure thwy were dead we evolved our game to match the foe as did issac

Omnisonne3026d ago (Edited 3026d ago )

I kind of liked the crafting.. still remember going through the game with a semi-auto seeker rifle and stasis coating. Took almost everything down in a mere 2 shots lol (yeah a little OP but good fun)

Biggest dislike for me was the ending chapter, really blown up and over the top. Felt more like some random sci-fi shooter at that point

Anyway, I do hope it will eventually make a comeback as I love the series

Bimkoblerutso3026d ago

They managed the keep the creepy factor from 1 to 2, and 2 made them quite a wad of cash, if I remember.

...but they're EA, and if a franchise is not making Battlefield / Madden levels of cash, then it's not worth the effort. So EA, in their vast stupidity, decided what we Dead Space fans really wanted was infinite ammo, more explosions, ultra-mega-guns, and for Ellie to have a large exposed rack and the personality of a sexy bag of hammers.

That is the ONLY reason it became the bastard son of a Michael Bay film. I can think of at least ten good scenarios in which they could have kept things true to the series without resorting to contrivance.

Bahamut3026d ago

So introduce a new character. Add a different perspective. They screwed up with Dead Space 3 by changing the entire dynamic. DS 1 and 2 were the best survival horror games in yeeears, and I beat them multiple times, loving (and hating) every second of it. I never even finished DS 3 because I just don't care for it. The isolation is what made the first two special... They probably could have gotten away with the crafting, but the co-op just kills it.

bouzebbal3026d ago

There was a purpose to the enemies with guns and they only appear a few times in the game.
I think ds3 was a step forward from previous episodes. I agree it's less dark than the old ones but the third episode had some very welcomed additions like weapon crafting etc.. I like the fact they removed the loading screens between episodes which made the game more smooth and more engaging.
What I disliked is that there is almost no new enemies. I enjoyed ds3 from stay to finish because I never considered the series as survival horror. It's an action game and the third one takes the action to the next level

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_-EDMIX-_3026d ago

Yes and no. Yes EA clearly messed up with Dead Space, not in creation of the IP but merely the expectations of it.

Dead Space 1 did like 2 million and a game like that on 3 platforms doing such sales is actually pretty bad if you consider the amount of money it cost to develop it and the expectation of huge sales.

http://www.cinemablend.com/...

My personal opinion on titles like Dead Space is that they need to lower the budget and expect a bit less in sales.

I'd rather they lower the marketing and keep it horror, the raise the marketing to ridiculous heights and change the genre mid way to action ruining the series.

No on Capcom. The reality is.....it did work, those RE games that went action had HUGE sales, RE fans like myself don't even recognize RE5 or 6 as real RE games, I don't even see RE4 as a real RE game in terms of concept.

Pretty much exactly what you listed, unlimited ammo, huge amounts of heath, no more zombies ie enemies with guns.

EA went that route JUST like Capcom, except Capcom did pretty damn good in sale doing that ,Dead Space merely failed trying that.

At least Capcom split the series and is focusing on both concepts as suppose to JUST action with it.

I feel Dead Space can do well, merely with lower expectations, if they have to lower the budget, the so be it, but I don't want a Dead Space 4 being made JUST for ACTION and HUGE COD sales or anything like that, I'd rather they lower the budget and keep it horror if they don't expect a huge turn out.

Horror titles don't do extremely HUGE millions, they are pretty niche in that regard.

Dead Space 3 is just over all a bad way to even end Dead Space and they just need to keep the series simple.

Horror, isolated in a ship and stop expecting COD numbers. lol

I personally like Dead Space 1 way better then even RE4, as at least it seeked to be about survival and about horror.

Dead Space 2 was ok and imho just as good as 1, Dead Space 3.........we don't talk much about Dead Space 3. They Day EA went full YOLO with that series lolz

ScaReCrow903026d ago

I actually didn't mind dead space 3 that much but obviously loved 1 and 2 so much more.

Would like the ip to continue. I think they have a lot of room to expand in the horror department.

But then again. this is ea. They suck.

Seraphim3026d ago

EA may suck but Visceral Games can make some solid stuff. Exception being Battlefield. Or one could argue Dante's Inferno but it was a pretty solid game with nothing more than typical problems an action/adventure has when confined to close quarters... If EA actually gives Visceral time and money they can surely hammer another great Dead Space experience. I think all 3 were solid but obviously none touch the original while 2 was better than 3 but 3 also came at a bad time in gaming where developers, rather EA, was pushing and trying micro transactions along with trying to figure out how to appeal to gamers who think a campaign isn't worth their money.

Azzanation3026d ago

@Foxtrot
There was nothing wrong with Dead Space 3. I enjoyed it a lot, might not be my favourite but its still a great game. Also RE5 and RE6 are the most successful selling RE games in its franchise history. If what your saying is true then Dead Space 3 would also be the most successful Dead Space game if they followed Capcon.

Dead Space just came out at a time where the horror phase was dying out. Sometimes you cant predict or sell a good game based on what the phase is at the current time. I remember when Dead Space 3 came out, I wasn't overlay excited for it. I am sure me and many others were the exact same.

donwel3026d ago

You're not wrong about RE5 and RE6 being the most successful sales-wise, but they also have the lowest user rating in the series, RE6 especially was panned by both players and reviewers.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if there was some correlation between the release of RE6 and people losing interest in horror games (or at least big budget horror games).
On topic though, I would like to see Dead Space continued, preferably with minimal interference from EA, though that's unlikely to happen.

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robtion3026d ago

Me too. The original Dead Space was a breath of fresh air and I loved it. They need to go back to the original game's formula.

MJunior3027d ago

No. Is Dead in the space.

gantarat3027d ago

i don't think so ?
Didn't Visceral Games busy with Star Wars Open World Game ?
I mean Visceral Games will make Dead Space 4 if their finish Star Wars Project .

Kyosuke_Sanada3027d ago

Knowing EA, Visceral will be sent to work on Hardline 2 instead.

_-EDMIX-_3026d ago

lol, I have no idea where you get your info from.

Its confirmed Visceral is working on a Star Wars game right now that is apparently action. I heard nothing about them working on another BF game.

_-EDMIX-_3026d ago

They are, if anything a part of the team could come up with some design stuff while working on that Star Wars game, not sure how big Visceral is though.

They could start on it after they are done with the early production stuff for Star Wars, which for all we know could actually be this year.

PhoenixUp3027d ago

I really enjoyed playing through Dead Space 1&3 and hope they continue the franchise

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EA Japan Exec Criticises Japanese Ratings Board

An executive of Electronic Arts Japan has criticised the Japanese video game ratings board for allowing upcoming action game Stellar Blade to be released uncensored while EA's own Dead Space was banned in the country.

CrimsonWing696d ago

He’s got a point. If a game is M-Rated, which is the equivalent of an R rating, I don’t get why you need to censor anything. The rating is the indicator of the content and the age appropriate. If it’s appropriate for adults… why treat them like children? 🤷‍♂️

Eonjay5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

This is about gore... not about anything sexual. And specifically I think it is about the realistic depiction of gore. Unfortunately I don't know the nuance of the CERO board or how it is relevant their specific culture (as a prohibition on gore may transcend age) so I hesitate to make a statement. Can anyone else provide insight to what kind of gore is considered unacceptable?

CrimsonWing695d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Yea, I know this is about gore, but thanks for pointing that out.

My point still stands, if a game is essentially rated for a mature audience then why censor for them as if they’re too young to view it? Makes no sense.

To answer your question: Decapitation, dismemberment, like… anything gore. They have been censoring that since CERO was established. Look up RE4 chainsaw decapitation or any MK games that made it there.

Cacabunga5d ago

EA Japan? Wtf never heard of that

ZwVw5d ago

Yet, the Oneechanbara series (y'know, the game with half-naked samurai females slicing up zombies to bloody pieces) get released in Japan uncensored.

The CERO ratings board is an equilibrium.

Smellsforfree4d ago

This confuses me since I've seen so many gory Japanese movies and anime. For example, Battle Royale.

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gold_drake5d ago

definitely has a point.

but .. its japan. are we really surprised?

VersusDMC5d ago

I don't know if the EA executive is going off the one close up of an arm being cut off in the demo. Maybe it's uncensored because it's the arm of a cyborg or it doesn't happen that often (didn’t see EVE dismemberment when killed in the demo) .

In the states there's a certain amount of swear words allowed to a PG13 movie before it is deemed R. So maybe it's the same in Japan for gore?

Eonjay5d ago

Yes I think you may be on to something. The violence is gory but I wouldn't call it gruesome.

Retroman5d ago

Ea Japan please make Knack 3
in the future

Eonjay5d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Does EA Japan actually make games at all? Or are they just a regional publisher?

Retroman4d ago

I'm sorry Japan Studio made Knack

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One Year Later, What Was The Point Of The Dead Space Remake

The remake teased an expanded universe, but now a sequel has no chance of delivering on it.

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isarai12d ago

Honestly i believe it was mainly as retaliation for the original devs breaking off and making colisto protocol. They've done this a few times, ignoring fan demands for the return of a belived ip until someone does it for them, then they retaliate by only then announcing an entry. Colisto protocol was announced and EA announced the remake shortly after, Session finally hit consoles and skate 4 was announced, shortly after Undisputed was shown off, talks started happening about a new fight night.

ZeekQuattro11d ago

I agree. Reminds me of when Inafune announced Mighty No.9 and the initial reaction of the game industry was that of celebration and suddenly Capcom said ohh shit we need to announce Mega Man 11. 😆 Still waiting for MM12 & the next X title.

isarai11d ago

Exactly, it's BS that pettiness has more power than demand for some reason.

Cacabunga11d ago

i liked the remake as much as the original.. it has so many improvements, the most noticeable to me was the seemless transition between levels which should be a must and a standard nowadays.
I cannot wait for the sequel's remake too.

Tacoboto11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That's a very farfetched conspiracy.

Callisto Protocol was announced in February 2021 and Dead Space in July. They didn't just decide in March 2021 to "retaliate" by remaking from scratch Dead Space in under a two year timespan.

If anything, Callisto is the result of a has-been Creative Director whose only inspiration is his previous work, and EA took inspiration long before Callisto was known about from the insane success of the RE Remakes and endless calls at the time for the RE4 Remake.

0hMyGandhi11d ago

So, how do you like working at EA?

shadowhaxor11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

And yet,fans of Dead Space, myself included, have been asking EA to bring back Dead Space for a better part of a decade. To which EA refused, stating that it was done with the series. Specifically after Dead Space 3 failed to meet EA's sale goals (sound familiar?) But magically, after they caught wind of The Callisto Protocol, with Glen at the helm, Dead Space remake was greenlit.

For those not counting, The Callisto Protocol call was announced in 2019, while Dead Space remake was announced in 2021. Long before TCP was announced?

badboyz0911d ago

100% that's the way EA operates

Extermin8or3_11d ago

You know how long it will have taken to make this game, this is some rediciulous logic.

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Tacoboto12d ago

It was a solid game and we'll have to move on and accept it for what it is. Just because we're not getting a sequel (original or remake) doesn't mean there's no point anymore in what is a great, tense, well-paced single player experience. No one's taking Dead Space Remake away.

I just hope that the game isn't so technically stitched together on PC that driver updates render the game unplayable like what happened with me and my RTX 4070 last year, requiring a driver downgrade just months after the game came out. If you're a console player then you've got no worries.

TheProfessional11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Yeah but it was a pointless remake since the original still looks pretty good. They should've done a sequel, something original or Dante's Inferno 2.

Way too many remakes now. Even resident evil 4 had already been remastered twice before the most recent one. No originality. Why not just hire the original team to make a new game instead?

Harkins172111d ago

For the hopes to get a new generation of people into the game. OG still looks good but it stopped selling long ago. So I get why they do remakes.

Knightofelemia12d ago

Most likely for EA to cash in on the remake craze that followed Capcom when they started remaking RE games. I am glad EA did it I enjoy the game. DS is one of my favorite franchises love the sci fi horror shit. What I don't like is EA not remaking DS2. So DS1 remake did not do well with the numbers so what. DS2 has a solid fanbase and is probably the best entry in the franchise depending on the fan. DS2 remake would have been a day one for me but I got a reminder on why I hate EA. Scrap the DS2 remake for a shitty Iron Man game.

chicken_in_the_corn12d ago

It's because the gaming community want remakes and remasters over new games.

mandf11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Thank you for recognizing that. One group always complains over remasters or remakes.gamers want them and they sell. To the once’s that complain your console has no games to do again. If you did ,they would remake them.

Crows9011d ago

Or maybe we can tell most of these devs can't deliver good new IP for some reason.

isarai11d ago

When it's hard to find a modern game that isn't broken, incomplete and monetized to hell, remakes are a sure bet for having a complete experience as older games weren't plagued with those issues

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Fonsecap11d ago

I think that is for the best of the franchise o be left alone then to be turned into a game as a service or something like that, EA has the awful habit of trying to monetize everything.

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EA Shoots Down Dead Space 2 Remake Rumors: 'No Validity to This Story'

EA has shut down rumors that EA Motive considered a Dead Space 2 remake before shelving it due to low sales of the previous game, saying there's "no validity" to the reports.

XiNatsuDragnel18d ago

Sure.... right.... at least remake dead space 3 w/o microtransactions bs.

XiNatsuDragnel17d ago

I sometimes I wished I didn't Ngl lol

Knightofelemia18d ago

Why not remake DS2 whether shot down or not it's still my favorite game next to DS1. As much as I hate EA I would buy or would have bought DS2 day one.

MeteorPanda18d ago

No validity XD "Guys guys, we cant possible make a good game or cater to the gamers wants, stop"

Yi-Long17d ago

I don't know if sales met their expectations or not. I just know that the high review scores received my attention so I was interested in buying it, but its price stayed high (50+ bucks) for so long that I simply never bothered picking it up.

Tacoboto17d ago

Doesn't pay full price
Doesn't pay *any* price
Ponders if sales met expectations regarding an allegedly canceled sequel.

Gee...

Yi-Long17d ago

Well, for starters, I'm sure there are plenty of games I never bought which did, somehow, still, meet their sales-expectations.

Concerning Dead Space; I never played and thus cared for the original. It's in multiple genres (shooter, sci-fi, horror) I don't particularly care about so it was barely on my radar pre-launch. I was never its target-audience.

When reviews hit, and it was scoring big, it gathered my interest, so while it wasn't in my field of interest, it mrans that I wanted to give it a fair shot and at least give it a try, as I do with many games across different genres; I tend to just cherry-pick the good stuff and see if it's for me or not.

But, I do wait for sales on those games I take a risk on.

Kornholic17d ago (Edited 17d ago )

Lol, you are a huge part of the problem. If a very high-quality game is not even worth 50 bucks to you, then what is?

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