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Oculus Rift's $599 Price Is Positive News for PlayStation VR

Push Square: "We suspect that there may be a few smiles at Sony HQ today as the game of chicken regarding virtual reality pricing has finally come to an abrupt end. It's felt for a while like each of the major VR manufacturers have been waiting for each other to make the first move, and Oculus has faced the unenviable task of revealing today that its Oculus Rift will retail for $599/£499 without shipping. It's a price point that will be all too familiar to readers of this website, and we all know how it went down."

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YinYangGaming3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

I'm hoping for a $399 price point for PSVR but considering it's the headset and an external processor you're paying and other accessories my realistic bet would be closer to $500

OC_MurphysLaw3037d ago

I think $399 is very much a "best case" scenario at this point. I am wagering it will be $499.

YinYangGaming3037d ago

It's a shame too because at that price it'll pretty much be DOA as people will either hold off for a price drop or not consider it at all

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bleedsoe9mm3037d ago

i'm betting $599 with the moves and camera and even at that price sony will probably be taking a loss

ABizzel13037d ago

@bleedsoe9mm

I doubt it Move controllers were $40 at launch, and the camera was $60. So $140, however, the camera has been marked down to as little as $30 and Move controllers $20 - $30, so it might be a $100 bundle for 2 move controllers the camera and a cheap game.

The best thing to do was buy the Move controllers over Black Friday used at Gamestop. They were $10 each and Buy 2 Get 1 Free.

seanpitt233037d ago

I think $449 is the sweet spot and its new tech which is always expensive I think at that price it will do well and Sony will not lose to much money each sold.

Outside_ofthe_Box3037d ago

If consoles couldn't move at $600 and $500 price points no way VR will.

PS VR will definitely launch under $400 or else it's DOA.

VforVideogames3037d ago

a peripheral for 399? hell no , may be at 149 so it can collect dust next to my Kinect.

Vhampir3037d ago

Will PSVR work with PC? PS5? I know if I buy an Oculus or Vive I have hundreds of games that support it or can be modded to work on PC. If PSVR is only going to work with PS4, which all signs point to, it'd have to be really cheap to be worth getting.

Google Cardboard even works with steam games, and that only costs a few dollars if you have a smart phone.

Bdub20003037d ago

Damn, $600 for oculus? That's a small jump from their "intended" price point of $350. I was gonna drop $350 not knowing if it'll make me motion sick. But $600 is more than I want to spend.

Hopefully PSVR hits a sweeter price point to make sure VR doesn't die before it gets popular because of cost.

specialguest3037d ago

$300. I think Sony is willing to take a loss knowing a higher price would discourage most console gamers.

RedDevils3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

At $599, it's a no go for me. Way too much for something I'm not really sure it gonna succeed or not, I rather wait for people to try it all out and see their experience before all these hype even considering it. Maybe at $299 price lol

Irishguy953037d ago

These things are wireless dual screen TVs with motion tracking in them. Expect them to be expensive. I haven't played a video game on it yet just an intel demo. But shit. I'd buy one over a new TV any day.

Vhampir3037d ago

@irishguy

None of them are wireless. Making a rift or vive wireless requires making a battery/streaming 'pack' on your own.

ifistbrowni3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

It's cool that people are excited by this. Not quite sure what games concepts that were shown are what has you excited, or if it's just the idea of VR that excites you.

I'm not at all excited for VR. If they announce a couple concepts that sound like an unreal experience, I'll pony up and get the headset. But, as of right now, the thing could probably be priced at $200 and I wouldn't buy it.

The only thing that seemed remotely appealing to me, was the idea of playing a game like Alien Isolation while wearing the headset. If they deliver 10+ experiences like that, then I'll buy the thing ASAP for whatever price. It's literally the only concept that sounds appealing in VR. A first person game where your objective is to improvise like hell trying to survive while something unexpected arrives and tries to kill you.

EDIT: @outside_ofthe_box has a great point.

Apollosupreme3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

VR most certainly DOE'S NOT take world by storm at a $599 USD price point. You can't even use it without the right gear.

I don't know if this influences Sony too much. They're mostly selling to gamers of completely different ecosystems.

Most aren't choosing one or the other, they're choosing yes or no.

MrSec843037d ago

Playstation VR is 1080p, Oculus Rift is 4K, most likely PSVR will be less than half the price of Oculus.

There's literally no reason for PSVR to be as expensive as only $100 cheaper than a 4K VR Headset. Sony will also likely sell more, so the volume of production will be higher, which reduces the costs considerably.
Let's not also forget that just like a console Sony will partially subsidize the costs of Playstation VR with games or movies or experiences.

The most PSVR will cost is $299, more likely $249/£199, as this is the sweet spot and the parts aren't that expensive.

Sevir3037d ago

Sony could launch at $600 and move units... the PS3 did just that and is a very successful console, but Sony of 2015 is not the Sony of 2006, and they don't have nvidia refusing to make production of their console gpu cheaper...

Given that all their technology runs off PS4 hardware, it's safe to assume that this device will launch at a much lower price bracket.

PSVR is quite comparable to in experience and all who have used it have said its an exceptional piece of Tech.

Sony has software, it has an existing platform and potential user base. They've been nailing it since the PS4 launched, they very much know the risk and rewards and they've said it will share console prices and will be sold at a loss initially to break into the market.

So with PS4 being 350... psvr will likely retail for 350-400... and that's a fair price...

Itll go on and sell.

And being $200 dollars cheaper and still be able to provide a comparable experience while having software that's compatible with PS4 they'll have the a better shot.

The strength of the PlayStation Brand is at its most potent. And at $400 will carry this new platform to profitability the same way it carried the PS3 from $600 to a console that caught up and eclipsed it's competitor 8 years after it launched!

We all just have to wait, but I think e3 Sony will announce PSVR's price and availability. And it will definitely undercut the competition.

starchild3037d ago

I'm actually glad Oculus is going all out (relatively speaking) and making a high quality VR experience, even if it has to cost more, rather than releasing a mediocre VR experience that could potentially sour people on the idea of VR. The prices will naturally come down with time.

_-EDMIX-_3037d ago

I think it might be 300 or 400, consider Sony stated they are ok taking the loss.

I don't see it being something like 500.

bligmerk3037d ago

People are going to start having to learn the specs for VR with some carryover to flat displays, but not one to one.

4K is a flat display term. It is slang for horizontal times vertical pixel resolution. It is also a rectangular aspect ratio, 16:9.

4K VR is 2160 * 1200, but that is 1080 horizontal per eye with a square aspect ratio. The PS VR is 1920 horizontal by 1080 vertical, so each eye is 960 horizontal by 1080 vertical. Refresh rate has also proven to be critical, finding out 30 Hz (or fps) leads to most of the ill effects. Rift has gone with 90 Hz, 45 Hz per eye. Sony had decided to go with 120 Hz, 60 Hz per eye.

One thing. PC peripherals, especially introductory gaming devices, end up in bug hell for a good six months before drivers and hardware configurations catch up. Look how long it took for PC's to get somewhat usable game controllers, and it actually took the consoles to provide decent controllers.

Bdub20003037d ago

@blig

I don't know where you're getting your info, but your source is highly inaccurate. First off, Oculus uses a 1080p screen for each eye. The result is a 3D 1080p image. The resolutions do not combine to equal a 2k image, however, the GPU doesn't know any difference, so as far as he GPU is concerned it is pumping out a 2k image, but that's not what the eye sees.

Second, Oculus is 90hz (or FPS), but it's not 45fps per eye. It is 90fps per eye. 45fps per eye would equal a 45fps image, which has been reported that anything under 60fps, and any stutters, causes motion sickness.

bouzebbal3037d ago

even 100$ i'm not buying! i dont know i'm not convinced VR will be a hit.
The only game that has potential is Ace Combat 7. Let's see how VR is supported overtime

memots3036d ago

Psvr is doomed if its Ps4 only. They really need to go cross platform with this.

If its supported on PC i am getting PSvr over the Htc vive

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ABizzel13037d ago

Oculus has made more improvements and technologically speaking it's the best of the VR headsets, but this price pretty much eliminated those XBO gamers claiming to get it to view games through it, and the majority of the PC market.

However, considering the recommended base-line GPU was a 970, and much more likely a 980 / 980ti equivalent, it makes sense as to why the price is $600. My guess is they can't sell it a profit for $499, as it cost just over $500 after taking into account ALL production, licensing, and other expenses, so instead of taking an early loss, they raised the price $100, and fluffed the deal with a XBO controller and Eve's Valkyrie.

So my guess is Oculus could have very well been $499 or $549. On top of that Oculus plans on releasing a newer version in 2 years, so they need profit and financing more than anyone in the VR landscape (which is kind of crazy considering their owner). And last but not least Oculus has built-in audio, which PSVR doesn't have.

So I'd put the PSVR at least $100 less than that $499, and suspect it to be edging close to $399, or $200 less than Oculus. And if so VR will be off to a slow start.

Outside_ofthe_Box3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

That's what I was thinking.

I'm pretty sure Oculus isn't taking a loss at this price. So all this talk of PSVR costing $500 is bit over-reactive in my opinion, especially considering that PSVR is in all likelihood cheaper to make.

I think Sony will be willing to take big loss in order to get a good install base going. $250 for headset alone, $300 for headset+camera, and $350-$400 for a variety of bundles that include headset&camera + anything else such as PSMove controllers, X_amount of games, etc.

RiseofScorpio3037d ago

200 less? No damn way that's too big of a loss for Sony.

2cents3037d ago

I naively thought Facebook would have subsidised the entry price point to get max penetration for their nefarious deeds... Mwaa haa haaa...

£500 is a little on the wtf side in my opinion.

ABizzel13037d ago

@Outside_ofthe_box

There's no question about it. PSVR should be cheaper to make. The materials look great, but they're hard plastic (which isn't a problem). The screen is only a traditional 1080p display while Oculus is a higher resolution, so again savings. PSVR doesn't have built-in audio, so again savings. Sony manufactures most of the components in the PSVR, Oculus buys pretty much everything, so again savings.

All of that easily makes the PSVR less than Oculus, and like I said in a lower comment, Oculus has a second hand in it's profits that they must also make income for (Facebook). Sony doesn't have that issue.

That's easily $150 worth of savings, and when you take the XBO controller and 2 games out of the equation Oculus is easily down to $499 - %549, and $150 off that is $349 - $399 for PSVR.

The only expense over Oculus that PSVR has is the processor, but people are acting like it's a FX 8000 series or Intel i3 / i5 / i7 4000 series. That would be stupid especially since the PS4 doesn't even have that hardware.

The processor is more than likely the same laptop APU-CPU the PS4 is using in it's traditional quad-core form, which is no more than $30. Or it could even be a mobile processor at that same price point. It's simply there to feed signal to the VR headset, it's not another full PS4 APU that Crossfires with the PS4.

Philface3037d ago

Actually it does because Microsoft subsidizes Oculus.

Kleptic3037d ago

I think a lot of people are pretty near sighted on the business end of all this VR stuff...

'sony is willing to take a 'huge' loss on this'...that is laughable...Sony's financials have been a mess for a decade...this is also completely unproven technology, and is frankly the biggest risk anyone has taken in gaming in well over a decade also...I promise you that Sony would love to appear to be 'fully' behind all this, but the simple truth is that most of Sony's shareholders are far from it...and taking a massive hit by underselling competition in a more closed/proprietary space...simply doesn't make sense...

couple that with the smartphone issue...modern smartphones now have gpu's and screens capable of outputting 2k resolution perfectly...panels and processing is completely ready for 4k THIS year, ironically sony already released one...both consoles, no joke, are going to be outclassed by things that run on batteries by 2017...all of a sudden this headset that needs an 'amplifier' that also needs a ps4 and controllers, a camera, etc...will be put up against phones that are overall more powerful, and also have all of the camera's, sensors, etc. built in...you just need a thing to strap it in front of your face...and google already has that cardboard cut out thing for nearly free, as well as free plans to make one yourself...

all i mean is that VR may go places...but its gimmicky...and gaming and gimmicks rarely stick in the console space...they do in mobile, and they find small communities on PC...but i've yet to find an argument that shows why this PS4 VR stuff can't be done on a modern smart phone (other than 'graphical quality', which has been 100% unproven so far and they've given few details on what this processing amplifier thing is even capable of)...so in the end, i highly doubt this thing will be sold at a significant loss...if it ends up being $300, i'd bet the quality will reflect that...which imo will be forgettable...

Philface3037d ago

Have to correct my self Facebook subsidizes Oculus.

kingPoS3037d ago

And last but not least Oculus has built-in audio, which PSVR doesn't have. 

To be fare, I consider being able to snap on and use my own pair earbuds or headphones to be a bonus.

Nothing worse than having the built in audio break on you, leaving you silence. I've lost some good headsets because due to the cable being affixed on one end. That's why I'm glad most headphones use modular cables.

Gateway MT6706 2008

ginsunuva3037d ago

Oculus doesn't want to profit from the hardware. They make money from the software

IamTylerDurden13037d ago

@Outside_ofthe_Box

You are crazy to think PSVR or any VR HMD of that quality would cost $250. Even the ppl that were crying for a $299 price tag are delusional. Like i have said before, even at $399 Sony would likely take a loss and judging by Oculus Rift's $600 price tag i may well be right.

I said before i thought $399 would be likely and it could well cost more. However, i feel like $399 would be very reasonable but even at $450 i'd be willing to pay. Overall i see PSVR costing 350-450 and no more unless it was bundled.

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DemonChicken3037d ago

Sounds like Oculus is doing a PS3

Anyone remember this?

"As for the eventual price: the consumer version should come in similar to what DK2 costs now. "We want to stay in that $200-$400 price range," he states. "That could slide in either direction depending on scale, pre-orders, the components we end up using, business negotiations..."

"Whatever it is," Luckey adds, "it's going to be as cheap as possible." Mitchell nods: "That's really the goal.""

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Pretty sure dev kit was like $350 - sounds like facebook has some play in this.

Bdub20003037d ago

Yep, I remember that interview. I built my PC around the eventual oculus release, and his statement that $350 was the goal. I just can't wrap my head around $600 though. Guess I'll be waiting a while.

xer03037d ago

It's too expensive for me.

As a buyer of the original PS3 at roughly $600, I'm not going to buy a headset at that price!

$350 would have been sweet.
$400 would have been ok.

jznrpg3037d ago

2,000,000,000 dollars made him go back on his "word " One reason I don't care for Oculus is that it received public money and cashed in and those initial people got no piece of that , at least a refund and or a pc/oculus would have been within reason. Even if it cost 50,000,000 dollars they would still have 1,950,000,000. Just an example of how much money they made .

Kingdomcome2473037d ago

@jznrpg- I thought that I'd read that backers would receive a free retail version of the Rift? I may be imagining things, though. Wouldn't be the first time.

mudakoshaka3037d ago

@jznrpg

Whoever contributed to their crowdfunding campaign, will get a retail Oculus! But I don't know if they have a minimum limit. If you were able to contribute with 20$...will you get one? Or does it have to be a contribution of let's say 200$ minimum? That I don't know I'm afraid.

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Pillsbury13037d ago

399$ would be a good estimate, more with a bundle.

I_am_Batman3037d ago

I was thinking PSVR might cost something between 300 and 400 bucks but that seems unrealistic now considering Oculus and PSVR are similar tech. At $600 VR will have a hard time selling imo. I might have spent 300 just for the tech alone but for 600 I really need to see a lot more great VR games to back up such an investment.

showtimefolks3037d ago

more power to you if you are interested and buying, i got the money but have no interest

magiciandude3037d ago

At $400-600, this thing would be a guaranteed flop. A gaming accessory more expensive than the console itself will have no chance of success. That's billions of dollars down the drain for Sony...

It's amazing Sony is actually willing to blow their PS4 profits on a gimmick instead of investing more into first party AAA development. After the flop of PS Move, PS Vita, and PS TV, it's expected this will follow suit.

IamTylerDurden13037d ago

Magicdude

So you must feel like Oculus Rift will be an even bigger flop at $600?

All the ppl calling PSVR "just an accessory" or "a simple peripheral" sound very very foolish. Is that $600 thing in your pocket "just a phone"? PSVR is a very advanced and very expensive piece of tech that has 3 separate processors, a 6 inch OLED screen, LED's, advanced gyroscope, premium optics, and god knows what else. The amount of R & D that went into it was immense.

PSVR is more likened to a new console than a traditional peripheral. This isn't just adding a wonky gimmick to your game like Kinect, this is real virtual reality. This is an entirely new foray into the world of gaming, it's major.

Obviously your lack of faith in VR (or is it just PSVR?) isn't shared by the numerous companies investing Billions into the technology. Companies like Sony, Facebook, HTC, Samsung ect must truly believe in it. That tells me something, it tells me that this isn't Virtual Boy, or the Power Glove, or Kinect. VR is wider reaching than even gaming itself, this is a tech that some of the biggest electronics companies in the world believe in. VR isn't something that can just flop and go away, it's here to stay, there's too much belief and far too much invested. Your wishing it to fail isn't enough my friend.

I for one can't wait to explore a vast universe in PSVR (No Man's Sky). If you can't see the intrigue in that then i can't help you.

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milohighclub3036d ago (Edited 3036d ago )

i wont be picking one up til its £150 - £200 cos at that point they'll be more support behind it. atm the only game that peaks my interest is robinson journey. so not worth spending large for one game. but my prediction is £300 ish cant launch higher than the console is now imo. if they go 300 with bundled move, camera and game it will be successful any higher than that n we will see a repeat of 3d...

gotta remember that they have basically recycled the tech from sony hmd which they started work on years ago so the unit itself will be pretty cheap to produce by now...
however they probably wanna make up for the loses from the hmd so that could push the price up.

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OC_MurphysLaw3037d ago

Smiling... hard to say until we know what they price theirs at.

Duke193037d ago

until Sony launches PSVR at $649 (/s)

traumadisaster3037d ago

Which includes the actual PS4 and all accessories....

DragonDDark3037d ago

That would be a great deal.

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2pacalypsenow3037d ago

Five hundred and ninety nine US dollars

Jk I can see sony releasing it for $399

Bismarn3037d ago

Finally someone mentions the E3 reference so I don't have to.

Kaz should do some commercial saying that again.

Thatguy-3103037d ago

This is playing the same way Sony tackled the ps& price point. They're just waiting to make it known that they will release a cheaper price product. My bet is 300$-350$.

RiseofScorpio3037d ago

No way that's a huge loss, prepare to be disappointed. The attach rate will have to be colossal to make up for that.

Outside_ofthe_Box3037d ago

Do you know how much it costs to make PSVR though?

Sony was willing to take a $240-$300 loss on the PS3 at launch: http://www.ign.com/articles...

So if it costs around $400-$500 to make a PSVR headset a $300 price tag is definitely within reach.

RiseofScorpio3037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

Sony was billions upon billions in the green back then, they were on top of gaming and they got a little arrogant.

They smartly designed and priced the PS4 to be profitable,their not gonna throw away all that work for VR, they'll sell it at a loss but not to the degree you're describing.

Outside_ofthe_Box3037d ago

Ok, so how much of a loss is 'too much' in your opinion then?

UncertainCategory3037d ago

I don't know.. The PSVR requires additional processing power to run. Meaning it is shipping with an external processor. That's not a cheap combination.

Considering the Oculus is $600 for JUST the headset, controller and a few games.. I'm a bit worried that we may be seeing a pricy PSVR as well.

ABizzel13037d ago (Edited 3037d ago )

That completely depends on the processor, it could be the same quad-core laptop APU in the PS4 and those are $30 "CPUs" at best.

jerethdagryphon3037d ago

No 30£ is a duel core a quadcis about 80£ maybe 60 when bought in bulk srill not bad back itcup with 8 gb of ram for 30 and toss in a high end phone esque screen is 100 ish 400 at launch should be right

kraenk123037d ago

The processor is no traditional APU. It is only used for upscaling purposes and for the additional output to a TV screen.

UnHoly_One3037d ago

Does anyone know how the PSVR is going to get power?

Is it going to have a separate power cable, as well as the cable that connects it to the PS4?

CiliCanadian3037d ago

There a power cord (with a brick)connected to the external box.

Sevir3037d ago

The power brick is smaller than a Wii.

Clunkyd3037d ago

I dont understand how people are assuming a peripheral will cost more than a launch price of a console.

smh.

RedDevils3037d ago

If it cost more than a Ps4 then forget it.

andibandit3036d ago

It has to do with a quote from Andrew House regarding PSVR, where he said:
"The unit will be priced as a new gaming platform."

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Garethvk40d ago

I can finally play Half Life Alyx.

mariopasta40d ago

I can finally watch pron, I mean watch pronouns be pronounced in PC VR games that were previously not available on Playstation.

crazyCoconuts39d ago

be careful not to sprain your... tongue pronouncing those pronouns

Profchaos39d ago

I'm excited for that to plus I can try fallout 4 VR always wanted to play that

crazyCoconuts39d ago

I was lucky and held off on 4 until I played it in VR. It really is pretty awesome - you'll love it.

DaReapa39d ago

The icing on the cake would be if Sony / Valve allow for a Steam Link app much like it is for the Quest 3. Likely wishful thinking, though.

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Knightofelemia48d ago

Hence why physical will always be better then digital.

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