Gaming: no more pirated games in two years, says hacker group

TF: "The founder of notorious Chinese cracking forum 3DM is warning that given the current state of anti-piracy technology, in two years there might be no more pirate games to play. The claims come after attempts to breach the Denuvo security protecting Just Cause 3 pushed the group's cracking expert to breaking point."

[Hoffmann]

I stopped pirating games a good while ago anyway.

Today you get the games often so cheap that I have the money to buy them, and I rarely buy games for a full price anyway. Alone already because I wait for GOTY editions often.

[LAWSON72]

PC prices have been dropping like crazy, it is rare to see them at $60 even at launch. It is hard to argue with everything being under $20 with a huge selection at $5 very often

[RiseofScorpio]

True, literally everyone would pirate if PC had console digital prices.

[Crimzon]

It's a shame that people are focusing on the piracy aspect of this without considering the negative aspects of the inability to crack games. While piracy is no doubt bad, the archival abilities it opens up to allow the preservation of games is very important, and I really don't think that's something that anyone wants to see go away.

As we move towards a digital future which is increasingly reliant on temporary licensing agreements and online services that are not only unreliable, but most certainly won't be around forever, I feel it's important for people to have a way to holding onto games that they've spent their hard-earned cash on when the "official" channels are no longer providing.

Just look at the huge amount of downloadable games that have disappeared from online services over the past five years or so. Titles ranging from the excellent Marvel vs. Capcom 3 to the N4G favorite PT by Hideo Kojima. Do we really want to see games such as this lost forever? As retail releases gradually go away (and already we have vast amounts of games that are digital-only releases) I think that piracy will be more important than ever, not just for preserving games but also allowing people who've actually bought them to still have access to them long after the official methods have vanished.

[nX]

The thing is that prices will rise again if piracy has been stopped completely, it's almost the main reason for cheap PC games.

[Muzikguy]

@Crimzon
I completely agree with that sentiment. I mean, look how many times companies try to double dip nowadays.

@nX
That's absolutely true too. Supply and demand. They're keeping prices low because it "keeps people from pirating" now but if the option was r there it most definitely would raise the prices

[Apollosupreme]

Muzak guy,

I disagree. For example the PSP, PS3, Wii and Xbox 360 all got cracked yet it certainly DID NOT impact the price of games.

PC games will always offer more value unless someone locks down the whole ecosystem under one umbrella(ex:PSN, XB Live, etc). Not happening.

Piracy is never a positive thing.

[Vegamyster]

No doubt, you can preorder Rise of the Tomb Raider for $31 on G2A right now and it was just announced the other day.

[miyamoto]

The last games I paid full price are
Rocket League
Asterbeed
FFVII PC Edition

&
Uncharted 3 Drake's Deception

[Utalkin2me]

@Lawson72

Rare to even see them 60 bucks at launch? I wanna live in the country you live in.

http://store.steampowered.c...

http://www.gamestop.com/bro...

It's very rare i see a game under 60 bucks at launch. Sure PC has great deals on older games. But on newer stuff i dont never see the deals, sure you get them here and there.

[neoandrew]

Utalkin2me

Don't look at steam man, steam is not relevant anymore if it goes by prices.

There are many better places to buy a pc game now and they never at 60 usd, way below.

[The_KELRaTH]

My pirate games stopped with the end of Mr Blobby CD's.
I really only used them as demos anyway and bought games I really enjoyed.

[Hoffmann]

Never heard about Mr Blobby lol..but I downloaded and burned ps1 and ps2 games like mad back in the days. Tons of Japanese games that never made it to the west.

[joab777]

This is great actually b/c now all that lost money can be passed on to those of us that actually pay to play these games.

[Hoffmann]

Heh, not sure if you were serious now or if that was sarcasm

[ChristopherJack]

I'm not for piracy in any way but you seriously can't believe this. Piracy creates a form of competition where publishers have to price content reasonably enough so that people prefer to buy the original supported content.

You can't seriously believe that if less people pirated, publishers would get enough extra sales to improve their games & prices. Unless of course you're deluded enough to also believe in trickle-down economics then that'd explain your perspective...

[Artemidorus]

Clearly don't own a PSN account!

[Gwiz]

@Crimzon

Interesting you brought that up,there was a court ruling not long ago which was very favorable towards preservation of games.The problem however consisted of a few things.The game in question has to be no longer available and no longer commercially relevant.

You could apply this to NES,Megadrive,N64 and so on,some old games are physically preservable while also digitally sold.It also meant preservation without cracking it but I guess a publisher wouldn't bother with games no longer being sold.The question remains though,how do you preserve a game sitting on a HDD or client?That's why I like CDPR's approach,personally thanking their fans and communicating with them in many ways,technical and personal.They still hold that 90's ID Software innitiative near and dear to their hearts and I hope their attitude will be adopted by many studios out there rather than them submitting to share holders.GOG I wish there were more companies embracing it but my guess is they don't see themselves as being the good ole times.

CDPR is legion

[peshkavusCA]

smart man!

[DualWielding]

Exactly steam sales are the best anti-piracy measure ever

[Tetsujin]

After reading the article I still say the biggest question is why pirate? Verify the system can play the game in question? Because someone is on a limited budget? Trolling purposes? The why to me is more important than just pirating games in general.

I've had friends pirate games on PC to verify their system could handle the games before spending $ on something that "might" work. Back of the box and what their system is capable of playing are two different worlds according to their logic.

[solar]

still gonna pirate to demo. someone will always find a way. anything that can be built, can be reversed engineered.

[SteamPowered]

Steam, GOG, Humble Bundle, and CDKeys pretty much priced me out of Pirating. The time it takes to get the cracks running properly just isnt worth it to me anymore.
Ill splurg and pay the whole $15 for the GOTY edition.

[ScorpiusX]

That's a good thing , means developers and publishers will see money for their months, years of hard work . Good for them .

[Hoffmann]

That thought is really naive.

[ScorpiusX]

How is someone getting paid for their work and time. A naive thought, last time i checked people like getting paid and continue to work due to getting paid .

[Hoffmann]

@castillo

Apple and Oranges.

Everyone loves to get paid for his work, myself included. But the majority of the pirates wouldnt buy a game if they can't pirate it. They mean no extra money for the developers.

[Palitera]

So you think every pirate will just stop playing when they can't pirate anymore?

[Crimzon]

@castillo

The publishers will definitely see more money from increased sales. The developers, though? Highly unlikely.

[guyman]

You've got to be joking surely with that shocking logic.. How on earth is that naive? Saying castillo's comment is naive, is naive.

Piracy is wrong, period. A developer is running a business and at the end of the day they need profit and a positive cash flow and they rely on game sales for that.. and pirating a game they sunk years of time and a large amount of money on isn't contributing to sales at all. The developer doesn't see the money coming.

Don't go telling me "o but what about people who can't afford"... Get over it, if you can't afford it, you Can't afford. Piracy is stealing.. It's really that simple.

[-Gespenst-]

Piracy is only "wrong" because we need to earn money to live. People would still make games if they didn't have to earn the right to live, just in the same way that people would still make music. These things are their own reward. People only ask for money for them because they need money to live and because they want to be able to make a livable amount of money from what they like doing so they don't have to rely on soul-crushing labour for an income at any capacity; and they'd happily give their creative work away for free if they didn't need to worry about these things. They wouldn't expect compensation because they the process of making the game was it's own reward. It would be no skin off a developer's back if people took their game in a world where access to the necessities of life was unconditional, because in such as world as that, people taking the game wouldn't mean that the developer was deprived of money he or she needed to exchange for life's necessities. He or she would have access to their needs regardless of whether people downloaded the game or not.

People like to get paid for their creative work because they need money to live, and again, they need enough money from their work such that they don't have to rely on soul-crushing labour (which leaves them with no time to do what they are passionate about) for an income, but money isn't the only reason they do what they do. In the absence of the need to make money, passion would still remain as a motive to do the thing - the inherent reward of doing the thing would remain as an incentive to do it in the absence of survival as an incentive.

Of course, in some cases, work is done purely for money and is not inherently rewarding, so without the need to make money to live, there would be nothing left to attract people to that work, but that's why you automate all the soul-crushing, dehumanizing work that has to be done.

Capitalism is the real enemy, not filesharing. Taking stuff for free is only bad in the context of capitalism. Think about it, would you care if someone downloaded your album for free if you didn't need to make money to buy things to live, and if access to those necessities was unconditional? Of course you wouldn't.

You can't blame people for wanting to save money by downloading things for free - they need money to live. It would be nice if we could take these things for free without negative consequences for the people who make them (i.e. they can't put food on the table doing what they like doing and are forced to get a different, likely crap job that leaves them with no time or energy to do what they love doing). Don't hate the players, hate the game, and then change the game. Filesharers are not the enemy - you're taking aim at the people within the system rather than the system that compels them to act the way they do - rather than the systemic rules that cause their actions to have negative consequences.

[garrettbobbyferguson]

@Palitera

Generally the idea that someone will start paying money for something when they haven't done so already is naive.

[gatormatt80]

@Gespenst

The problem with socialist economies is that people don't strive to innovate or create because they won't be rewarded for their work. Almost every major corporation is headquarters and created in the US or other capitalist countries, and there's good reason why...

[kangbuo]

@gespenst

Can you give me a list of great games produced in commmunist countries ?

Nothing wrong if you think communism is the way to go, you are right in your own way, but just dont expect to live with capitalism benefits (high value creation) while in a communist country, be ready to play crappy games.

While I agree music doesnt need money, or is even hindered by it, the analogy is so wrong. Do you really believe a guy in his basement can creat uncharted, witcher 3, bloodborne, Tomb Raider ?

[DLConspiracy]

@genspenst

While I can see some of your points. You have to also realize that all that money is spread out across to everyone. Which means you get this amount and nothing more. Even if you need it or want more to continue. I have friends in Canada who get free health care in long lines for doctors who don't really specialize in anything. In fact if you want specialized health care a lot of people end up heading to the United states to get the proper specialized care. Paying out of pocket for it. Mostly because all the good doctors go where the money is. This is a tiny example. In a perfect world we wouldn't need anything and there would be no drive to push the boundaries for any innovation.

As far as people making things because they love them. I'm sorry I'm not a greedy person but if I work on something with all my heart and some guy walks in and just starts taking handfuls of my hardwork without asking, I'm gonna be pissed. It's not like these people are asking for free copies because they need it to survive. No they are stealing it without asking because they don't care. These days people feel so deserving of everything and have no idea how much blood sweat and tears goes into something. Imagine a farmer who doesn't need money at all. They go out working everyday to feed them and their family and some random stranger walks in and takes all his live stock and food. Without asking.

I write music. You're right. I will always write music because it helps me deal with life and makes me happy enough to make it through the tough times. I love sharing my music. But I won't have enough time to do it if I have to spend all that time working to help myself or everyone else. Meanwhile I don't have new equipment or new computers to just grab freely. Even if some entity was kind enough to hand them out for free. I can guarantee there would be a shortage and I might not ever get one again.

Anyways. Way more than I wanted to write but not an easy subject to gloss over.

[spicelicka]

That affect will be minimal. People who pirate games don't plan to buy most of those games anyway.

And it doesn't mean the devs should allow anyone to steal them. It's just a fact that it won't have the biggest affect on their sales.

If I'm pirating it's all free to me, so I'll download 15-20 games because I wanna play them. If I have to pay then like every consumer I have to decide which ones I'm willing to invest in. I might only pay for 2-3 games that I really want so there's no affect on the sales of the remaining games. It's just a fact, it has nothing to do with what should be allowed or what shouldn't be.

[rainslacker]

Except now, your adding 2-3 sales to the charts, instead of none from the downloaded 15-20. It's not a black and white thing. Sure, most won't go on spending sprees to play 15-20 games, but many will still continue to play games. The only other option is to simply play the games they haven't gotten to yet, which they'd probably do through piracy.

I think we'd see a fairly large rise in software sales if piracy was actually eliminated. It doesn't mean every game will benefit greatly from it though. The big games will see the most dramatic rise.

[spicelicka]

^Yes that's what I was trying to get at. It won't have a huge affect, but the bigger games will make more. It doesn't exactly help the smaller devs, but the real impact we can only see once it happens.

[FPS_D3TH]

Lol don't kid yourself. You were never helping indie devs by stealing their games. Don't bs yourself with free promotion if it's good. When you grow up you'll realize you don't have time for your 20 pirated games anyways and that paying for the 2-3 games you'll only have time for, because you've got responsibilities, you may end up appreciating the hard work people put into these games instead of stealing them one by one in your parents basement. Get a job and buy your games.

[spicelicka]

^what does that have to do with anything. I never claimed I prefer piracy or that it supports indie's lol what are talking about seriously?

[FPS_D3TH]

My bad replied to the wrong comment.

[spicelicka]

ohhh i see

[Articuno76]

It's naive (the part about developers) because publishers typically pocket the difference in earnings. There's no trickle down effect that would benefit the developers themselves in that scenario. If publishers made more money off games it would benefit them, and them alone.

[ScorpiusX]

If that's the case why do some of these developers continue to punish themselves like that , their must be some way for them to continue getting paid for their work.
Unless some are just a Glutton for punishment .

[Articuno76]

"If that's the case why do some of these developers continue to punish themselves like that."

I can't give a complete answer, but there seems to be a prevailing culture in the industry where bosses pressure developers into feeling they should be lucky to work in the industry at all (even if it is for scraps).

And devs, for the most part, can't afford to be picky because there's a surplus of talented young programmers, artists and so on just waiting in the wings to fill in their roles (and for an even smaller pittance).

Developers don't really have any bargaining power in that situation. IIRC they aren't unionised either.

[rainslacker]

Depends on the contracts the developer has with the publisher. Most contracts have bonus stipulations which are based on sales, and a while back reviews, but for the most part, developers do see kick backs, and more importantly, developers can continue to exist if their games sell better.

Publishers aren't quite the parasite you make them out to be....although it can seem that way if you don't make a game that sells well, or are on the indie side of things.

As far as the follow up comment of yours, that's true in some places, but the better dev houses don't usually go with that mentality, particularly for their more experienced programmers.

While there is a lot of talent "waiting in the wings" there is still a pretty high demand for that talent, and it's hard to fill due to the nature of the job...long hours, pay that's only within standard programming thresholds despite being a rather specialized field, and having to deal with a lot of criticism.

The biggest problem for those talented young programmers is that dev houses practically demand experience, and by the time people have experience, they are either burned out with the industry, or they are qualified enough not to have to put up with abuse. Artists are kind of a dime a dozen when it comes to graphic design in general, but getting them to work in the game industry can be tough. There's a lot of idealism with the fresh talent, and I think a lot of that is burned away within the first 5 years. Problem is, every dev house needs is very experienced players to guide the rest, and without it, you get pretty crappy games, which just leads to outsourcing to get things done....which many publishers are finding much cheaper than maintaining a staff, or even hiring on contract for short terms.

For the most part though, the executives and leads of a dev house do see benefits to higher sales, the average worker, not very often because more often than not, they are simply contractual, and may not even work there by the time the game releases.

[Articuno76]

@Rainslacker

What you're saying is probably on the mark for the performance of any given title leading to some degree of compensation/return.

But I think the issue at hand is more about general profit margin increases being reflected in what development staff get paid. And, to my knowledge, that simply doesn't happen.

[rainslacker]

It's hard to say. Bigger games are pirated more, however smaller games are more affected by piracy. On the bigger games, there's often a cap on kickbacks, however that can be quite high depending on the title. In house development teams don't see the same kinds of kick backs, and usually only receive bonuses during the milestone points, and possibly at one or two sales milestones as well...typically distributed to the execs, director, and producer if he's in house.

Obviously all this goes out the window for indie published games, as every sale goes into their pocket unless they are released by a publisher, in which case, about half the sale goes to the publisher, and the rest goes to the developer.

Usually on contracted titles, there is only the production milestone bonuses, but depending on the developer, it can receive sales bonuses as well...usually applicable on 2nd party titles.

Overall salaries stay pretty constant, with typical gains over time due to normal cost or living raises. Long term staff getting any sort of compensation bonus is entirely on the individual developer, sometimes set in place by a publisher if they own the studio. None of it is a one way or the other type deal though, and it can vary wildly from one dev to the other.

[cleft5]

Fallout 4 was hacked day 1 yet it sold a hell of a lot more copies than Just Cause 3 on PC. Being able to pirate a game has nothing to do with why people buy a game or don't. As far as Denuvo is concerned, having this sort of drm does more to hurt than help. Plus, if Denuvo was on Fallout 4 it would have been hacked in a week.

The reality is that most people just don't care about Just Cause 3. What I wonder is how many of there technical issues stem from this drm.

[PhucSeeker]

And if Fallout 4 wasn't hacked day 1, it would have sold more than it currently does. Not all pirates would have bought the game then but some might.

[OoglyBoogly]

That's not how it works. The developers themselves get paid salary. It does NOT matter how a game sells, they don't get kickbacks from sales. Only the publishers (e.g. fat cats and CEO's) really get money from sales. Even the normal employees that work at publishing companies get paid base pay and don't see the money from game sales.

[joab777]

It depends which devs we are talking about. But what is naive is to assume that pirating doesn't affect devs at all. If a game is successful by monetary standards it can have a huge effect on morale as well as careers. Many devs have bonuses that depend upon sales.

Yes. It's true that publishers will see more of the money. And they should, since they spent the money to have the game made. More money means more projects and more devs working.

There's no way to justify pirating as being a big middle finger to 1%ers, while the "blue collar" devs aren't effected at all.

[solar]

from day 1 pirates were never going to buy their game. i dont see how pirates all of a sudden have an epiphany and stop stealing.

[sephiroth420]

I doubt it.

[raWfodog]

Sounds like a good thing to me. Why is it meant to sound ominous and forboding?

[BLAKHOODe]

New security is always thought up of and then someone comes along and figures out a way around it. It happens every time, so I can't see putting a timeline on WHEN publishers are finally going to win the piracy battle. If one hacker wouldn't be able to get the job done, then someone else better will.

[neoandrew]

Not this time, know why? Cuz the cracker is one person with limited time and money vs denuvo protection from company that can afford lots of workers and have funds.

There is a denuvo protector system, it is just one click for them, 3 months cracking for the man, count your odds again.

[Articuno76]

This is part of a long line of recent games with powered-up DRM where cracks either fail to surface (last I checked that was still the case for MGSV) or take so long that the DRM has effectively worked.

It doesn't matter if someone else gets a crack done at this point, what matters is that chances of anyone getting it done is getting smaller, whilst the timetable for them achieving it is getting further and further away.

[neoandrew]

Still they can just buy $ USD ONE DOLLAR steam account with game, download and play offline.

[Jag-T1000]

I tried some of their cracked games and they never work for me anyway.

[PocketRave]

remove your anti virus those do f*%k all anyway,if its an IOS, Mount the ISO with Deamon tools lite (the free version) to install the game.

copy the crack folder (on the iso) contents into the install directory ( were you installed it) its should say replace these files, say yes.

Play game.

[RazMaTaz0121]

I admit that because of Steam and many others, piracy has almost become pointless because PC games do tend to be the cheaper end in comparison to console games (atleast here in UK anyways), but at the same time, just because 3DM isnt doing it, doesnt mean other hackers wont.

[Ferrethat22]

well then. i guess there's no reason to switch to PC gaming anymore

[Volkama]

/s

[oIITSBIIo]

That's too bad, I pirate games before I buy them to make sure they're worthing the money or not, but I think steam's refund should solve this.

[Articuno76]

Exactly. Just keeping $60 in a Paypal account is enough now that anyone can buy a game to check it works alright. So the "try-before-you-buy" thing no longer applies.

[joab777]

Me too. And I steal cars just to test drive them. When I was younger, I pirated games. Unless it effected the experience, I never bought it. I just used the money for something else.

I guarantee you that most people with a free working copy aren't buying a new one to support the game. At least no one I've ever known does this.

Hell, games come out today and even if they provide 100+ hrs of content, sometimes 1000 hrs, we still bitch that we want new contwnt for the game and don't want to pay for it b/c we already spent $60.

It's actually funny sometimes reading all the negativity and critiques of games knowing how many are pirated,as paying nothing for something doesn't stop us from posting shit.

[Tzuno]

A tradition that goes on since the internet was born will not die in 2 years, words in the wind.

[nowitzki2004]

This hacker group needs to catch up with the times. A more skilled hacking group will crack these games.. Just like with everything else, you cant really stop hacking. They can make it harder but it will be possible.

[Lon3wolf]

Seems like Denuvo is a success, finally a DRM that works for both dev and gamer (it's not a PC/OS breaker like the old DRM)

[OC_MurphysLaw]

My response... GOOD.

[trywizardo]

i think people in h=third country world will still pirate games ((like my country)
because the game is 60$ but in the local price its more than 300
so buying original games for that price is too much , but the pirated games usually are SP games , so games with MP and online only games never get cracked (diablo 3 for example)
360 had been cracked a long time ago , ps3 the same , there are rumors about cracking PS4 , but even if they cracked it that means no MP anymore , so i would stuck to original games to have the full game XP

[Zarock]

Maybe If every game had a working demo, people wouldn't pirate games In the first place.

[BLAKHOODe]

I think Twitch and YouTube has eliminated the need, trouble, time and money of putting together a demo. Those games allow viewers to see live gameplay of almost any game you would be interested in. No, it's not the same as playing the game yourself, but it provides more than enough visual/audio info for an interested gamer in deciding rather or not a game might be something he/she wants to play.

[Seafort]

Not really. A demo on PC was meant for testing the game to see if your PC was powerful enough to play the game.

These days it's just guess work whether the game will work on your PC or not.

I thought Just Cause 3 would easily work on my PC on day 1. No such luck. I'm still waiting for the devs to optimise the game so I can play it without the FPS tanking to 5-10 fps every few mins.

It doesn't help when most publishers would rather cut corners and release a shoddy console port than a working, highly optimised game on PC.

[BLAKHOODe]

@bruce755 I said watching a game isn't the same as playing a game. Thanks for paying attention. I don't think test driving a car compares to test playing a video game. That's comparing something minimal to an extreme, which is something people often do to get their point across more. I mean, you are comparing "playing" to "driving", which in my experience, don't mix well. So, if you try comparing "playing" with something that actually involves "playing" I doubt your argument will hold as much weight.

[joab777]

Of course they would. Many do and are still pirated. Trust me, the number one reason that games are pirated is because people don't wanna spend money on them.

Do ppl really steal movies, watch 15 minutes, and then go buy it? No, of course they dont.

[darkreno]

Hi people.
I made an account just to comment about this. I am against piracy myself but without piracy I wouldn't be playing because i make 70 dollars a week and a new game cost almost 80

[joab777]

I hear ya. Thats why I boost cars. I can't afford to buy a new one every few months and it's bullshit, so I just grab what I like.

[Theangrybogan]

Cars are a bad example. As the joke goes "I wouldn't steal a car but I would burn a copy of one"

And maybe show some pity for poorer people and argue your point with a little more tact instead of being a dick about it. No devs losing money cause a poor person pirates a game because the poor person didn't have the money to spend on it in the first place.

[Theangrybogan]

I hope when things are better for you that you start buying legit dude.

[I_am_Batman]

You could also play free to play games, rent games, buy used games cheaper, save up money, watch let's plays or get a better paid job so you can afford to buy more games.

[Chucky2003]

Nah,don't believe that,there will always be someone better to hack it,3DM aren't the only ones.

PS.There are updates on their site explaining the situation of Just Cause 3,they actually have cracked the game,but they are waiting for a proper update of the game because is full o bugs and if they release the crack now its possible they will update the protection.

[kma2k]

my biggest concern is i have always assumed pricing has been so low because they are fighting piracy with low prices, take piracy out of the equation & I expect pricing to really skyrocket or at least go in line with console games that are stupid high.

[joab777]

Great post. And yes, on PC pricing is used to combat pirating. If it's cheap enough that the time and trouble isn't worth it, ppl will buy it. Why?

Because they didn't steal it to demo it. They stole it so they didn't have to pay for it.

[Seafort]

Well most Ubisoft and EA games are already £50/$73 on their UK stores and other places so I choose to get it at cheaper cd key or other online stores like GMG.

I have over 1000 games on steam plus more on uplay, origin and GoG but I did pirate when I was younger.

If the prices went up due to no more piracy I'd just buy less games and be selective on what games I did buy.

Is that a win or a loss for developers?

[DDMNeo]

Honestly at this point pirating isn't needed. As many have said steam sales have really helped, and there's been some great sales on XBL and PSN. As well as PS+ and Games For Gold have given gamers free games for their subscriptions. There are some cases where I think that it is useful. Situations like where a a company goes belly up or are bought out, and it starts to disappear from stores. A great example up until recently was the Deadpool game. Though after playing it on PS4 I can say that in that case I was better off not playing it.

[StanleyRoper]

Good!

[MaxCompiler]

Someone will always find the way.

[ShadowKing-]

It will work until someone finds a work around. Something keeps it from telling the owner of the copy its not a pirated version. Once that is figured out piracy will continue.

[Petebloodyonion]

Like everything we use in life, Piracy is a answer to a need not filled.
Fill the need with another solution and Piracy become useless.

As a exemple, Piracy went down a lot in the music and movie business with the coming of streaming services like Netflix and Spotify.

On the gaming side, having lots of free to play options, Free games with subscription services(ps+, Live,etc.)cheaper prices games (indy and remaster) helps cut a lot on the need for Piracy.

[wh0am1]

the only time when i pirated music/games/movies was when i was in high school and i didn't have job

now that i have a stable job it's actually so much easier to just buy it and it does feel good to be able to afford things and support the devs/creators in the process

[Lukejrl]

PC games will probably surge to same price as console games once piracy is completely eliminated though. i don't pirate games anymore unless you count old snes games i can't buy.

[starchild]

Nah, the two main reasons game prices are lower on PC are:
1. Fewer licensing fees, manufacturing costs and distribution costs.
2. Much more competition. Unlike consoles where it's a walled garden controlled by one company.

[Lukejrl]

Yea pretty good points. I forgot about those licensing fees

[masterfox]

sorry it won't happen.

[BassMan125]

The matter here is Denuvo. Well, not every devs or publishers want use Denuvo for their games. Even some of them avoid DRM completely like CDProjekt Red.

This is quite ironic because Just Cause 3 is one of the worst port ever. And I know a lot of people (like me) would want to try the game first at least on their hardware to see if it could run well before paying $60 especially after seeing bad reviews everywhere, and since there are no demos available, the only answer is pirating the game, not that I encouraged piracy though.

So my point is piracy will never die.
Also, 3DM cracks are trash.

[starchild]

Just Cause 3 has performance issues on all three platforms.

[alfcrippinjr]

piracy is not a crime

if they lower the cost of everything we would not have this.

not all people can afford all the new games which can cost a lot of money.

the piracy groups will crack games still

if every single game is online play only
we are all screwed.
no networking no playing

[mahmoods26]

Think its better to say that bug budget titles won't get pirated. Piracy will still exist and in its own way its an important part of game preservation. At least now you won't keep hearing excuses from EA or Ubisoft about piracy taking their previous profits.

[FN4GM]

PC 'Pirate' Race

[starchild]

I do a large percentage of my gaming on PC, but I don't pirate games. Neither do any of my PC gaming friends.

[Angel911]

FUCK PIRACY...I hope PC games become impossible to pirate. Cheap ass PC gamers can spend 1000$ on building a PC but can't spend 60$ on a game.. Hate such losers.

People love CD red and call them one of the PC devs and still they pirate their games..According to IPT and other private trackers close to 5m PC gamers pirated W3..Shame on these assholes.

[windblowsagain]

Well I was in GAME yesterday and the price of star wars battlefront on PC was £44.99.

PS4 version was £29.99

lol

For what the game offers, it isn't worth £44.99.

[Ninja_G_Aidan]

Tell Nintendo to drop the prices of their Nintendo 3ds games before I purchase a flash cart to pirate all my games very soon please. Not happy paying £37.99 for a release date title pre owned or still full price. Small little cartridge is not worth those prices!

[swiftjay]

Fifa 2016 still hasn't been cracked? Most impressive.. I haven't played a crack game in..years the only cracked games I'd ever play now are old nes/snes roms lol.

I buy my games to support the developers to show I'm happy with their product if I don't pay I don't play it's as simple as that. The main reason I went from ps4 to pc is although my pc was expensive my investment is money well spent as I went from paying £40-£50 per game to £2-£30 at best per game thanks to either steam sales (praise be to gaben /troll) or cdkeys which literally sell games in the uk at DUMB prices even games that haven't even come out yet are selling almost £25.

I personally am glad that it's getting harder to crack games because there are developers out there that have put in so much time, effort and love into the games that we enjoy playing and deserve the money they get from it.

I do feel sorry for console people though, games aren't cheap that's a fact they're extremely expensive unless you're getting them second hand or you find a good site that MIGHT make it £37-£39 if you pre-order like shopto but even then it's expensive and then you have COD games which are rape prices like £50-£60 if it wasn't for people like Asda and sainsburys under cutting everyone people would be screwed.

I think digital games need to be affordable and Sony/Microsoft need to stop being afraid of retailers and just sell digital games cheaper then physical copies it makes sense and would bring them more sales but hey..a guy can dream..right?

[EnsignHiro]

I dont think piracy will ever be completely stopped. Pc game prices are pretty fair while console game prices are usually higher. One of the best ways to beat piracy is to have better pricing with games. To be fair there are people who spend 60 on a new game a find key features such as net play to be broken day 1 so i can see why some pick up the game used or wait for some sort of discount to get it.

Piracy isnt ok but you would think developers in general to make people not want to pirate by making better non broken games.