Fan favourite PS2 games launching on PS4 tomorrow

Shuhei Yoshida:

To celebrate our PS2 heritage, I’m excited to announce that starting tomorrow, you will be able to purchase and play PS2 games on your PS4 via PlayStation Store in the Americas and Europe.

[Rookie_Monster]

Was excited for a moment but yoshida shattered some of the dream with his Twitter replies.

Gjallarhorn [RSTL] ‏@GjallarhornRL
@yosp hey, "I got Twisted Metal Black for free with twisted metal, will that digital version cross to ps4?"

Shuhei Yoshida ‏@yosp
@GjallarhornRL "no, sorry"

Shawn M. Williams ‏@stupidhass
@yosp "will we get a discount if we own the classics version of any of those games?"

Shuhei Yoshida ‏@yosp
@stupidhass "no, sorry about it"

Wow, so it look like it is just digital support only with no option to migrate the PS3's PS2 classic digital titles over and no discount. Bummer :/ , but still looking forward for the announcement.

[Genuine-User]

"Wow, so it look like it is just digital support only"

Why are you shocked? These are semi-remasters with trophy support.

Thank you for writing the comment though, it will no doubt start a fruitful conversation :|

On topic: The Mark of Kri is an underrated gem.

[Genuine-User]

These games are not upscaled from their original resolution. What we have here are games with HD resolution, double the framerate, superior AA and trophy support.

For they are by the very defintion a remaster.

[Rookie_Monster]

Why are you shocked? These are semi-remasters with trophy support."

Funny, I have been playing PS2 disc based games on my PC for awhileb now and the emulator up scale the resolution to 1080p as well without having to pay a dime...so are you telling me Sony can't make their emulator on PS4 the same and allow trophies download for those PS2 titles?

Also, it is not full true 1080p and are not remasters as it much or less up scaling according to the digital foundry articles with the emulator on PS4. Emulator for N64, Dreamcast and etc also were done this way as it it just using original assets of the game and let the emulator upscale and boost texture resolution.

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
"Upscaling? Probably not what you wanted to hear bearing in mind that older titles haven't aged well visually, and a disappointing result bearing in mind that our initial information said that Sony would be emulating these titles in high definition. Well, there's both good and bad news here. All 2D artwork in every title gets the upscaling treatment - there's nothing that can be done about that, and it can look pretty ropey. However, the 3D elements are substantially improved and do get a resolution increase."

"PlayStation 2 titles ran at a range of pixel counts, but 512x448 and 640x448 were commonplace (God of War 2 even let you choose between the two). It's still early days in our analysis, but first impressions suggest that the emulator resolves a native resolution of 1292x896. Two black lines are added top and bottom to the image, before receiving a final upscale up to full 1080p."

[Genuine-User]

@Rookie

Here's the thing, Sony is a business; they will capitalize on this oppurtunity.

You want a free service? Continue playing your old games on their respective systems or play on a PC "without having to pay a dime".

You want a legitimate product with trophy support? You gotta pay.

[Rookie_Monster]

@Genuine-user, calm down, you sounded upset.

I am just giving people information and know more about the PS4 emulation before throwing down $15 to buy those PS2 titles. No need to get upset.

Also you said "Here's the thing, Sony is a business; they will capitalize on this oppurtunity."

Funny, MS is a business too and I not only get to play my disc versions of all the Gears X360 without a fee, but they gave out 4 free digital titles for Gears Ultimate. Why can't Sony at least allow disc based support when it can be easily done?

"You want a legitimate product with trophy support? You gotta pay."

I already paid for some of those PS2 disc titles like Dark Cloud and Rogue Galaxy and that is as legit as it gets. Also the thing about trophies, when Trophies was first announced for PS3, as I recalled, those older PS3 titles that were patched with trophies didn't cost a cent. Just some fact.

But hey, everyone have their meaning of value.

[TitanUp]

You sound like a pirate. Disgusting

[freshslicepizza]

$15 for games that are over 10 years old?

[Genuine-User]

@Rookie

Do you honestly believe that I'm furious and upset? lol

Continue your tirade against Sony.

"Funny, MS is a business too"

Really? Who would've thought. I saw this coming from a mile away.

"I already paid for those PS2 disc titles and that is as legit as it gets."

No one is forcing you to buy them on PS4. Why don't you continue playing them for free on your PC?

Older 'PS3' tiles got patched. PS4 is apparently using some sort of an algorithm for PS2 trophy support.

[someOnecalled]

I find it funny how gamers like me brought ps2 games on psn last gen and now can not even get access to the game unless paying again. And we see the sony faithfuls defending to the fullest. They could do no wrong.

And the they are a business card comes to play but it don't count for every other company its funny how that works. I doubt people really care if it had trophy support the just wanted the games they brought off of psn to be transferred like most services. If I brought a ps1 game on ps3 It damn sure gonna be playable on Vita. Watch the disagrees and excuses by the fanboys even tho they're loyal and gets nothing in return. They are going to continue capitalizing off this dumb fanbase.

[Yahdaree]

No one should be surprised these are not the same games they have trophies, which is so cool!

[Dabigsiebowski]

These are not remasters at all.

[Aenea]

For it to be a remaster, semi or not, they need to have changed the source code, they did NOT do that. It's just an emulated game with some additional data for trophies...

Am sure this is the same stuff they did with PS1 on the PSP, just an emulation wrapper around the original game. Once the PSP was jailbroken one could convert any PS1 disc to a PSP compatible game...

Honestly, right now I'm kinda hoping someone is going to be able to hack this. I don't need the PS4 jailbroken, but a way to get the classics on there would be great. Sure, they won't have trophy support that way...

[comebackkid9891]

That's like saying a game is remastered cause it's running on pcsx2...

[nix]

i don't understand the psyche of some gamers. every time a classic retro game comes on the new media from their existing hardware people have been buying. if you look at Pacman - from their own handheld, to consoles to PC to phones. everywhere it moved people have bought it without complaining.

this PS2 to PS4 is same. it's a different architecture. it's not even from the last gen. this is from 2 gen before with a trophy support. though 10/12 dollars would have been just right.

plus this is like moving from VHS gen to Bluray gen with 7.1 surround system. asking for PS2 games to be free is like asking Sony for Bluray version of Ghost Busters because you used to watch the movie on Sony VHS player.

[DarXyde]

Let's wait, like, 12 more hours.

We'll have the answers we seek then. The argument over speculation is honestly pretty ludicrous.

[S2Killinit]

The usual suspects are here. Only two of them are missing. Anything that can be viewed negatively on Playstation and they come rushing to explain how it sucks and why Sony is to blame. Thanks guys, another article derailed, good job.

On Topic: i really want to play San Andreas as it was one of my most loved games of all time.

[ziggurcat]

@rookie:

"I am just giving people information..."

no, you are not doing that. what you *are* doing is taking a positive article(s) about PS2 titles launching on PS4, and literally doing everything you can to derail the intent of the article, as well as the discussion, by spreading FUD.

[Phill-Spencer]

The only reason why ms is offeting this service for free is the fact that they are already in a weak position.

[ShadowKnight]

@Genuine If I were you I wouldn't worry about it since the console war is already over. All Xbox fanboys are still in denial. I'm in denial because of what Nintendo is doing. I would just ignore all the haters and just move on.

@Ziggurcat that's exactly what he's doing lol. Thank goodness that N4g install base is not that big lol.

[ShadowKnight]

Actually PlayStation has been crushing Microsoft in the current iteration of the console wars; with Microsoft trying to get their old catalog onto the Xbox-1, PlayStation had to follow suit or suddenly lose a great deal of competitive ground.

The mechanics haven't been laid out yet; there is still hope they make an intelligent (and potentially Microsoft business killing) decision to redeem existing discs for maybe keycodes to get access to soft copies.

[indyman7777]

I see most of those games at the disc replays for WAY less ..... Not good Sony.

[Revolver_X_]

And Rookie's alternative is pirating...lol. Think of a better solution next time.

[Revolver_X_]

And Rookie's alternative solution is pirating on his PC with emulation. All you need to know about him.

[Revolver_X_]

And Rookie's alternative solution is pirating on a PC. That's all you need to know about him to understand what he is.

[Lordani66]

@Rookie_Monster

Good job! You are doing something that is illegal! Not only the PS2 emulation is illegal if you don't have your own original bios file (so that makes you have to have a PS2 of your own), you probably download illegal isos from the internet, as you said you pay nothing for that emulation. Congratulations, thief!

But that's what PC platform is known for lol. And then you cry that you are getting tons of bad ports of console games. You get what you deserve in that matter. And yes, I'm a butthurt PC and console gamer, butthurt because freaking pirates destroyed this first platform.

[Brotard]

Rogue galaxy and dark cloud tomorrow. Yeah I'm satisfied with that .

[Ezz_Snake]

15$? PS2 Title? Why??

[NatureOfLogic_]

Basically remasters with trophy support. The price makes sense. Although I was expecting $10 max.

[Sevir]

Because they aren't just ports... These take complete advantage of the PS4 feature sets... Trophies, Shareplay, PS4-vita remote play, 1080p support, broadcasting and video editing...

They desired to make these game and add modern nuances, so while it's emulation, they is a hefty amount of reworking in the PS2 emulation that gives these games even more features than they had being classic PS2 games...

So while it's a bit disappointing that it isn't just pure software emulation, there are other benefits for the hardware enabled upgrades the PS4 provides and a better insensitive to charge the asking price of these classics...

Kind of a catch 22 deal, some will argue the reasoning some will deal, and others will bash.

[2pacalypsenow]

@jgar11 because the xbox 360 games are not remastered. Ps2 games are running in 1080 and with full trophy support, its not BC its a full reworked remaster, alot different than some upscaling that has little difference. That's like me saying I bought tomb raider on Ps3 why do I have to pay for the Definitive edition

[Ezz_Snake]

its clear that SONY/developers uses PS4 success in market lead by make benefits from
(PS3 Remaster Titles/and Now PS2 Remaster)

but at least give the owner of the original titles (DVD/BD) the choice weather he want to use the original (DVD/BD) for free (No Remaster) or pay for (remaster service)

Sony reminds me of the (Joker):"if you are good at something never do it for free"

[Kribwalker]

@2pac

The 360 games are also ups aped to 1080p like the ps2 games and in most cases they are running with better frame rates and look better as well. The ps2 games are upscaled with trophy support and the ability to use the Ps4 built in features as well. Just like the 360 backward compatible games. But the 360 ones are free if you own them

[phallusitator]

@2pac

Why is there even a comparison to X1? Call me when you get original Xbox game backwards support. THAT would be comparable.

[yewles1]

HAH!!! So I WAS right all along.

http://n4g.com/news/1831092...

[vacoby5]

What many of you who say, just don't rebuy or just continue to play them on your old system, are forgetting or overlooking is that ps3 is almost 10 years old. Many individuals ps3 has or is starting to die out, yellow light etc.

Thus spending another 200-250 for another one when you already have a ps4 isn't worth it for many. And physical b/c MAY be asking for too much at this point, being they said no from the start, but to own the games digitally, verified with your psn account, and not have access to them or at least a good discount to get them upgraded to ps4 (Nintendo does this, charging 2 dollars or so to upgrade an Snes, N64, etc. purchase from wii to wii u) just seems like a slap to the face to their consumers. This is the 1st time I truely feel they're taking a step back in customer service, customer friendly decisions because they're winning in sales. I hate this and I hate I find myslef agreeing with these xbox / microsoft comments, but in this case its deserved

[SegaGamer]

If they want to play their old PS2 games then they can get a PS2 for almost nothing now. If they want to play their PS2 games with new features then they have to pay a bit extra, there is nothing wrong with that at all.

I'm not sure i agree with how much they are charging though.

[Bell Boy]

damn my Sony vhs is failing what will I do with my old tapes..Sony why can't I play them on my 2015 Blu Ray player......no one ever asked!

[yewles1]

Update, Shu confirms it's not BC...

https://mobile.twitter.com/...

[Rookie_Monster]

Whoa...huge revelation there. So it is more or less, a digital purchase version of PS Now. Highly disappointed with that news. D:

[UserNameIsNotTaken]

@Rookie
No it's not.
Ps Now doesn't have games running at 1080p and 60fps with better visuals.

[DigitalRaptor]

@ Rookie

The writing was on the wall days ago dude, I even discussed that this likely WASN'T backwards compatibility and that emulation was a completely different thing. And that it was closer to classic PS2 games being ported to PS4 with extra performance and features.

But only NOW it's a huge revelation. How coincidental that this is a huge problem just a few hours before PSX. Dat hyperbole too. Like PS Now? In what conceivable way is this like PS Now? Embarrassingly desperate connection. Because I'm smart enough to look ahead, the only thing I'm disappointed with here is that if you own the classics already on PSN, you should be able to pay a small upgrade fee for each to get the extra featured versions. Other than that, games being boosted to 4x the resolution, enhanced performance, and trophies being custom built with the resources of the original devs shouldn't be free, and if you believe it should be free then you're just trying to stir controversy for the sake of making Sony look bad in favour of Xbone's BC.

But I hope you're having a good time at PSX with you boy Gangsta who both happen to live in SF. What were the chances, eh? Make sure to take lots of photos together dude. And don't forget to dropkick Shu and Boyes in the nuts for this news too. Can tell you want to.

[jb227]

@Rookie

Since you are so keen to point to Digital Foundry articles, why don't you grace us with the link where they showed the 360 BC running at a lower frame rate w/ more drops than their original versions? Or the Eurogamer video plainly stating that these games are running at 4x their original resolution from their original appearances on ps4? $15 dollars is the premium you pay for 4x the resolution, twice the fps in most instances, & brand new added trophy support. Of course the XBO BC couldn't charge because you are getting 1:1 versions of the same exact games.

"Funny, MS is a business too and I not only get to play my disc versions of all the Gears X360 without a fee"

Difference is, you are essentially playing lesser versions of those games 'without a fee' while PS2 emulation is in many instances doubling the framerate & bring a (non native) 1080p up scaling to the table, along w/ brand new trophy support for games that didn't originally have them, created in conjunction w/ Rockstar & the rest of the original developers themselves. Improvements cost money, lesser versions can only be offered for free. If you want to compare true BC, why aren't you comparing XBO's to the Wii U? That BC can play all of the original library, in the same original performance...XBOs can only play a fraction, in some instances at a lesser performance.

This isn't BC, this is a series of reworks achieved through emulation & partnership w/ the original devs. Can't really compare the two.

[milohighclub]

Well this is disappointing :( i really wish it was disc based, i have a massive pile of ps2 games i've been waiting to bust out. now i need to buy them all again for 3-4x the price i bought them at...if they get a release.

Sony have gone a bit s#!£$y since taking the lead. last gen they were "for the players" this gen they are for the monies

m$ need to take lead so sony are forced to at least try please supporters again.

Think i'll go my part and pick up a xone soon. some great games coming out plus a ton of games i missed last gen. It's a shame sony didn't do bc, easily do able now they have psnow, just insert last gen disc and it allows you to stream it. hey presto BC of ps3 games...

Once again, really disappointed with sony this gen. the hardware is great but customer appreciation is right out the window. look at ps now, it's now mandatory and i haven't played any of the games for longer than 10 mins.

[RiseofScorpio]

I have all the GTAs all the GTs. They are screwing us big time because they can get away with it. You saying my collection is useless and I have to pay $75 to play the games I mentioned? That's just 5 games.

[Hold_It]

So much for PS2 backwards compatibility being the same thing as 360 backwards compatibility. Hopefully people won't let Sony get away with this. I await the excuses for they don't owe me a damn thing, or the famous I think I know hardware and architecture and know nothing so let me spin some shit so I sound intelligent.

They aren't going to give us real backwards compatibility because you're going to pay for it, that's why they won't do it. You buy their remasters, you allow yourselves to get suckered into their schemes.

It's not my fault they were stupid and bought Onlive and turned it into PS Now and I should have to feel punished for that because I want to play older games that I already own on my new console so I don't have to own a ton of consoles to play the games I want to play rather than trying to beat Microsoft at their own game and allow you to transfer compatible purchases you made on the console(s) before it.

As much as a lot of you on here want Microsoft and Nintendo on here to drop out and Sony become the only console company, it would be an awful thing. They are slowly turning into the things that I didn't like about the announcement of the "New Microsoft" this gen, but I guess this is what happens when you are sitting at the top by yourself.

[RiseofScorpio]

I'm guessing their cloud streaming isnt profitable otherwise they would have stuck these PS2 games on PS now. I haven't touched the service, its such a ripoff IMO.

[WildArmed]

While I understand their stance if this was for 3rd party games, but they should have shown some love for first party games that people have already bought via PS2 Classics.

I own about 10 PS2 classics myself =/

I'm not saying my 3-5$ purchase should = 15$ re-semi-master-emulation mumbo jumbo, but a discount would have been fine.

[showtimefolks]

I personally don't mind paying because most of these gaming franchises are dome amd won't ge getting HD remasters

10 to 15 sign me up

Ominusha
Gta trilogy
Warriors
Bully
Original red dead revolver

Quick question

Are the controls also being updated or not?

[MatrixxGT]

Prime reason I do not trust a all digital future. These games have been long gone from store shelves. If they really wanted brownie points they would offer them free for people who own the disc or had bought digitally on PS3.
For the people who wanted to play these old games again but no longer own them should be able to buy them ranging from $1-$5.

These games have had their time and made their money. This is a lame attempt to counter MS BC and it will rip off fans pockets in the meantime. It's almost and insult.

[ThyMasterDebater]

BC scratches my nostalgia itch but I feel this is more of reactionary move from Sony to cover their bases and would prefer they use the resources else where. As much as I enjoy reliving Final Fantasy Tactics among-st other games once or twice a year I found I bought a new console to play new games and my PS3 collects the majority of dust around my place so like an ex girlfriend it's nice to turn on once in a blue.. But not needed.

That said. Good on Microsoft for capitalizing on BC. I feel they need it more then Sony. If you look at the history of Consoles this is kinda Microsoft first step in creating that.. "Hey, Look at are past. We have made some epic games to" and as someone who has primarily has been on PlayStation it's nice to see them doing that for their fanbase.

One thing I feel they need to stop doing and I feel Phil Spencer is on this wavelength is to stop with the PR smut and just focus on games. It's been sonys arch from the start and I feel with the gap 2 to 1 they just really need to show love to the people that buy the Xbox One and continue this onslaught of features they presue. I probably won't buy the next Xbox either just cause it's not in the cards for me but again for the people that do love their xbox's. The future is bright and I look forward to the reactions on the PlayStation side and feature they give us over here :)

[Fin_The_Human]

I wonder what percentage Sony gets and what percentage the developer of the game gets...maybe 50/50.

[Realms]

To all those complaining it's very simple don't buy them problem solved.

[Relientk77]

That's cool PS2 games are coming to PS4, but I wish we could use PS2 discs or something, don't wanna pay for games I already own

[NatureOfLogic_]

Then simply don't buy games that you already own.

[Rookie_Monster]

What kind if logic is that?

[MRMagoo123]

It's about as logical as you can get.

[WeAreLegion]

That is, in fact, a perfect example of logic. Dictionaries should start using it as the example sentence.

[vacoby5]

See post above.. I hate these type of comments

[UserNameIsNotTaken]

Well, you're right.

[Yetter]

..and don't play them either by your logic

[WildArmed]

I actually just plan on buying JRPGs I missed in the PS2-era. So won't feel like I'm re-buying games... unless it's a game like DQ8 or Wild Arms franchise... as my avatar might suggest.

[DOMination-]

The problem i have with this is that its now hrd to trist Sony in the future. Some people would have paid for the game originally on ps2 and the classic on ps3. Now they have to pay for it a third time. Whats stopping Sony from charging again on ps5. If its in your games library, you should NEVER have to pay for it again, regardless of if it has had a minor update. This is how it works on Steam, GOG Galaxy and Xbox, why not for Playstation?

So not being able to play a game I've purchased twice already because i don't buy it again is logical. Right. Yes i should totally keep my ps3 out so i can play a game my ps4 can play but won't because i haven't paid for it again is also really logical.

The same people defendimg this are the same people moaning about Xbox One DRM (initial launch). Hypocrisy at its finest.

[TripleCs]

I'm assuming Sony wouldn't be able to implement emulation for every game due to licensing issues. Same reason every 360 game Isn't backward compatible on the Xbox One and must get approved. I'm sure Sony doesn't want to put themselves at risk of developers and publishers suing them but still, Sony could at the very least give people the option to use their PS2 discs for whatever PS2 titles that are in the store that they might own psychically like Microsoft is doing instead of making them buy games they already own. You'd think Sony would at least do that for their fans but of course pay, pay, pay. Sony is nickel and diming people now.. I'm sorry but they are

This is pretty dissapointing news for people that were expecting to be able to put their PS2 discs in and play these games.

[PhucSeeker]

To be fair, they're not marketing this as BC but as in you can buy Ps2 games to play. If it, is indeed, runs the games at a much better framerate then 10-15$ is a fair price for me. Otherwise, no thanks. (unless there're some crazy deals)

[ShottyGibs]

No.. Sony wants you to bendover and pay for it again while smiling like a good N4G fanboy

[RiseofScorpio]

Look at Genuine Users excuses up top. Makes me sick to my stomach people on here actually think this is ok and are finding excuses.

[Good-Smurf]

Yeah,I already bought Vice City and San Andreas on PS3.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Onimusha!

[PR_FROM_OHIO]

So like PS NOW we have to pay to play games we already bought Sony?? I'll pass no thanks

[Genuine-User]

No. You can still play your PS2 and PS3 games on their respective systems without paying extra money.

[Summons75]

I don't think you understand the point of backwards compatibility...

[Imalwaysright]

Or we could give Sony

http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/s...

The hell is wrong with people like you? Defending a multi billion $ company for charging us to play games we already own? Charging us for BC?

[WeAreLegion]

So...do these people own a bunch of PS2 games, but don't own a PS2? I'm lost. Why complain?

[Genuine-User]

@Summons75

What is there to understand? The product manufacturer either allows the end user to play an old game on a current-gen system for free or a fee.

@Imalways

Defending a multi billion $ company? Go and read my comment again. He asked a question and I answered with an unequivocal no.

[Imalwaysright]

WeAreLegion

That's right. I have many PS2 games and don't have a PS2. PCSX2 allows me to use them for FREE and play them for FREE on my PC. What's happening here makes me love PC gaming even more.

User

I've been coming here for 8 years. I'm a "N4g veteran" and I've seen many of your kind come and go. I can spot a corporate apologist from a mile away. Want me to give you lessons on how to spot them? Well, "you gotta pay."

[Genuine-User]

@Imalways

Are you for real? lol

No one gives a shi* about how many years you've spent on N4G. This isn't a contest.

Keep your shoddy lessons to yourself.

You gotta pay = corporate apologist - that's some twisted thought process young man. Or would you like to be called old and treated like an adult?

Edit: You're one of those PC nuts aren't you.

[Imalwaysright]

The only twisted logic I see here, is a consumer defending and making excuses for the cash grab that Sony is cooking up here.

The only twisted thing here, is seeing a consumer defending having to pay to play games he already owns and already paid for.

The only twisted thing I see here is a gamer being ok to have Sony charging gamers for BC (a first in this industry)

the only twisted thing I see here is seing a gamer siding with a multi billion $ company instead of siding with his fellow gamers that are expressing their concerns over Sony's cash grab.

The only thing that is not twisted here is seeing you bending over to your master. Something that I don't do because I'm a proud PC nut.

[Genuine-User]

I'm neither defending or making excuses.

I'm not suggesting that you should pay for something that you already own. I said if you want a better version, you better bet you'll have to pay for it.

It's not straight up BC. They are offering additional enhancement and trophy support.

I'm not siding with either.

Your last sentence is downright pathetic. Proud PC nut? lol

[aconnellan]

Funny enough, I saw a particular Microsoft exec reply with this statement when people whined about Xbox One not launching with backwards compatibility, and nobody liked hearing it then.

[Imalwaysright]

It's BC through emulation. I can play PS2 games with 6 times native resolution on my PC using an emulator for FREE.

When I bought Uncharted 1 and MGS4 they had no trophies. All it took was a FREE patch for those 2 games to have trophies.

Why are you making up weak excuses to defend this obvious cash gra... Oh I forgot for a moment that I was talking to a corporate apologist.

Yes, I'm a PC gamer. Yes, it's my preferred platform and what's happening here makes me appreciate PC gaming even more.

Remember when Valve tried to monetize mods? All it took was 2 or 3 days for us, PC gamers to make them change their minds. I love the FREEdom that PC gaming gives me from obvious cash grabs. Hopefully PS fans, not corporate apologists, will make Sony remember that they're supposed to be for the players.

[Rookie_Monster]

You are right iamalwaysright. Well said and all your points are so true to how Sony is trying to rip off its fanbase and the reason why they can is because people will asked "how high" when they are told to jump.

We deserved better as gamers.

[Gazondaily]

Genuine, you just did a Mattrick. Come on bro.

(whats your GT again btw, I need to team up on Halo)

[Genuine-User]

@imalways

These are enhanced versions with trophy support. I'll say it again, carry on playing them for free with "quadriple" the resolution on your PC.

PS2 never had trophy support. And they were never patched for PS2 classics.

You're talking to a "corporate apologist" that has yet to defend or make an excuse. I say it how it is; Sony is in the business to make money, and that they will at given the opportunity.

You're not just a PC gamer. You're a self appointed "proud PC nut". Sad indeed.

I love the digital "freedom" on PC as well. Lol
Valve's monopoly on PC gaming is quite evident.

Valve tried to monetize mods but failed, mainly because the implementation had to many loopholes to abuse the system.

Similarly, Steam is littered with showelware.

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I have spent 7 years on Steam. I don't game on PC anymore but might return in the near future.

Steam ID: masterumar

@Rookie

He's as wrong as they get.

[Genuine-User]

@Septic

Maybe it came across a bit blunt but it is how it is. Expecting anything different especially when the same thing happend on PS3 as well is a bit ridiculous.

Naivety at its finest.

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My Gamer Tag: master umar

I haven't been on Halo for a while. Currently playing Dishonoured, Doom and UC4 MP beta.

Have you played the beta yet

[RiseofScorpio]

@Genuine Fanboy

Wow your like Anakin at the end of EpIII such a shill for the emperor (Sony).

You saying I have to pay 150$ to play 10 classics is ok. Wow.

[nucky64]

if you already own it, you don't need to rebuy it - what's the big deal?

[Masterchief_thegoat]

When I wrote like that, I got disagree like crazy. but then I realize I got a pic of master chief ^_^

[RosweeSon]

I sort of agree but only got 10-12 ps2 classics on my PS3 as long as these aren't crazily overpriced and I'm sure they crop up in the sales with the up rendering to 1080 trophy support and remote play for Vita its a nice little remake for some classics games would have been nice to be able to just cross buy or at least get a discount but these aren't the same as the ps2 classics, same games sure but they've obviously done some extra work on these, sure trophys aren't all that but up rendering them and remote play is pretty cool although I'm sure I'll be playing full screen at home.
Just hope I don't have to re buy all my ps1 classics as well as I'd love them on ps4 but not sure about re buying them all again depends how much magic they work on those and how much they all cost otherwise I'll be waiting for various sales and sure most will start rocking up in ps+ as they seem adamant not to put and proper ps4 games in their yet not even Killzone for Christmas, hey ho can't wait to see what they've got coming up tomorrow.

[JamesBroski]

So if I already own the physical copies of those games I have to buy them again? PS2 games are so cheap that buying the physical copies and finding an old PS2 (20-30$) will be cheaper than starting to build yourself a PS2 collection on PS4.

Really wish it would be to the Vita though. I would totally pay 15$ to play games on the go.

[ocelot07]

I would imagine they would get this PS2 emulation up and running on Vita/PS TV soon enough.

[2pacalypsenow]

They are full 1080p and with trophies

[XxExacutionerxX]

Hey PS Fanboys, DO NOT DEFEND that. Sony is making you pay for games that you already own. I'm pissed off, because I own about 30 ps1/ps2 games and that is a slap in the face just like PsNow is a big slap in my face. 19.99 a month when GeForce charges 7.99 a month to stream games from its service. Sony just shouldn't have done this. (At least give a discount for the lazy port) I love how Microsoft gets the whole "no one cares about backwards compatibility crap from you Sony fanboys". But hey I'm not paying for games I own, and Microsoft is still giving away Xbox 360 games that belong to me.
Wow I'm seeing a big 180 with this company.
PsVue, tv on PlayStation 4 (Didn't Microsoft take crap for having Tv in the console)
That is the biggest slap in the face to all you Sony fanboys that buy into the Sony crap and will pay for the games you already own.
Why doesn't Sony just charge me every month for the system I've already bought, or I have to pay monthly to play my games.

[Masterchief_thegoat]

Don't support this bs. this is like ps now without ps2 games with trophy

[djplonker]

@xxexacutionerxx

Xbox: halo

Xbox 360: halo in 1080p with achievements full price and no discount for original owners

Xbox one: halo mcc which includes the halo which people are forced to buy for a third time with no discount for previous owners.

It's funny watching desperate fanboys desperately scramble to any ps4 article they can shed in a bad light yet they cry like the victims whenever anyone posts in an xbox article with any criticism (see halo 5 reviews).

[PhucSeeker]

@djplonker:

Halo: Normal halo + Local multiplayer

Halo 360: Normal halo + Better graphics + Halo Reach Multiplayers and it is 40$ like any remaster out there.

Halo MCC : Normal Halo + Better Graphics + 1080p/60fps + online multiplayers.

Not sure what you're getting at but sure, fanboys away.

[Sevir]

It isn't just emulation going here, these games support broadcasting, share play, remote play, trophies the video and screenshot sharing to YouTube, and other social media...

Not trying to down MS's methods, but I don't think their version of software emulation allows these features or even similar features per XBO design.

I mean these are trophies and shareplay such, these games are being 're worked to support the PS4...

[Kribwalker]

You sir are incorrect. All features of Xbox one are available while using 360 backwards comparability. You could even be in a party chat with you Xbox one friends while playing xbox 360 games online with 360 players while using backwards compatibility

[DragonbornZ]

@Kribwalker
Lol how'd you get disagrees? What you stated is true.

[Sevir]

Well then I happily stand corrected and concede that MS's solution is better.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah that would be ideal and I'm sure the Vita would appreciate the amazing library of ps2 games there are.

[UserNameIsNotTaken]

I own some discs but they don't really work lol

[Eidolon]

WOW Dark Cloud, Twisted Metal: Black, AND Rogue Galaxy O_O with trophy support!? jesusss

[Salooh]

Yes !!!!! People here will be complaining , i will be playing dark cloud !!! much more fun don't you think ?. :P

[RiseofScorpio]

Yeh for $45 how appealing is it now?

[Eidolon]

$40, and better than dropping $60 on Rainbow Six Siege or SWBF

[ocelot07]

Now Capcom please release Resident Evil Outbreak File 1 and 2 complete with online mode thanks.

[PaleMoonDeath]

^ This!!!

[RosweeSon]

Yeah and Onimusha 1-3... Oh the good times when Capcom were on it.

[2pacalypsenow]

Vice city with trophies!!

[Double_O_Revan]

Trophy Unlocked: Beat up a hooker and get your money back.

[RosweeSon]

All 3 will be bought by me just not sure about day 1. These were amongst the main ps2 classics always being discounted so might buy 3 for now and wait for Vice and San Andreas to crop up in a sale whilst they bring out Red Dead Ps2 amongst others. Loved playing all of these games on ps2 tho and with remote play upscaled to 1080p and trophy support... Nice!!!

[RosweeSon]

I'll never forget the moment you get on your Moped with Michael Jackson blaring out the radio ;)

[Skankinruby]

Ps2 trophy support=empty bank account

[nick309]

I rather emulate my games on pc , no offense,trophies.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Nick, why bother?

[nick309]

Eh, opinions are not allowed on n4g ,ill go back to u4 beta(:

[scark92]

Regardless of the problems, the trophy support excites me, it motivates me to beat games.

[PaleMoonDeath]

Trophy support eh, I think I'll snag a few of these babies.

Onimusha, Resi Evil Outbreak and Legacy of Kane need to be added, oh for the love of god do it.

[FullmetalRoyale]

Not happy with the fifteen dollar price point, frankly. At ten I would have bought half of those. Now, I guess I'll wait on everything but Dark Cloud.

[SegaGamer]

I completely understand. I think people weren't thinking straight if they thought they would get to play their old games for free. They have added trophy support and upscaled the games, they have every reason to charge for these games after adding extra features. But, like you say, the price for these games are a bit much. I'm waiting to see how much they will cost here in the UK.

[FullmetalRoyale]

100% agreed. I'm entitled to what I paid for, and not a new year model of a car, if you know what I mean. I'm not crying foul, but the price is more than I'd like, when I'd like the buy them all. ;)
The definitely deserve money for these games, all things considered.

[jb227]

See now these are the kinds of constructive comments we need at the top of the page instead of a bunch of fanboy bickering. It'd be nice to see people recommending games for people like myself that never had much of a library for their PS2, or having valid criticisms like your own...I agree that $10 would be the sweet spot for impulse buys from me...I'm still excited to try the cream of the crop at 15 but for others that I'm simply curious about, I'll wait for a sale. 4x the original resolution, twice the frame rate & added trophy support will ensure that I'm playing the best possible versions when I do get around to them, and for me, that's more enticing than a straight standard BC. Played a couple Ps1 classics on my PS3 & they were lackluster to say the least. Gex was still as amazing as I remembered it though...wish they'd bring that lil guy back, or offer some of his games in these new versions...now those I would most definitely pay $15 bucks for in a heartbeat.

Any recommendations out of this first wave for someone who may not have played them originally? (Aside from GtA of course)

[towelie1288]

15 dollars?!?!?!?! haha yea right

whack!

[Masterchief_thegoat]

Ms bc is better

[Ricegum]

Nope. PS2 > 360 games all day long. 360 games are still too recently released for me to enjoy.

[jb227]

MS is standard BC, the same games at apparently a lesser performance if Eurogamer's analysis is to be believed...these are reworkings, 4x the resolution, 2x the framerate, brand new added trophy support...completely different.

[BiggerBoss]

All 360 games aren't even BC. In fact MOST of them aren't. But okay

[Izalith]

@MasterChief: Is it? You dont get 1080p or achievements on x1 bc games if you already played them. All the titles I have for x1 bc ive already played them on x360, no reason to go back to those games.

So I gonna use PS4 to PS2 bc more than x1 bc, because of 1080p and trophies!

[Masterchief_thegoat]

If you like getting rip off be my guess.. This right here is a big let down,you telling me you rather buy the game again rather then play a ps2 disc. All Sony should have said no bc. For the pplz who brought gta collection digtial on PS3 you gotta re buy it on Ps4

[Debo 13]

Not trying to defend Sony, but it's pretty decent price considering the pricing of some of the games now.

In Australia, for example, the cheapest you can find Dark Cloud on eBay for is about $65.
Rogue Galaxy - $50.
Twisted Metal Black - $20.
War of the Monsters - $36.

For people who don't already own the games, this is incredibly cheap.

[aconnellan]

As an Australian, I was about to say this too.

I wish we had the privilege to say that $15 for a game is expensive. That's obscure bargain bin price right there

[UserNameIsNotTaken]

Yeah.. after thinking about it. I kinda agree with the price point.

[DigitalRaptor]

Yep, logical perspective beats sensationalism and hyperbole any day.

If you already own your PS2 discs, it's very unlikely that you don't also own the console. Play those discs on that. PS4 games here on not in the rip-off category in the slightest. Again..... it's all hyperbole. This is the price you should expect from PS2 games with a certain degree of reworking that takes resources from external parties (the original devs).

If these were $9.99, that would be more generous of Sony considering what has to be done for each title release, but you'd still have people complaining. You always will. The line between generosity and anti-consumerism is not $5 worth.

[RosweeSon]

Yeah would have been nice to be offered a discount or cross buy as I bought around 10-12 ps2 classics but feel as long as not over priced the fact they have remote play, trophy support and upscaled to 1080 is a nice bonus but yeah all depends how much they are gonna charge anything over £9.99 is too expensive... As much as I hope the ps1 classics get the same sort of treatment in being brought to ps4 just hope I don't have to buy all of them again as I've bought over 60+ plus over the years. Sure all will be revealed tomorrow.

[ZaWarudo]

I want Valkyrie Profile 2 and Shin Megami Tensei 3. I lost my PS2 copies ;_;

Would glady pay $14.99 for those.

[MasterCornholio]

10$ should be the max. Also it should be cross buy with the PS3 version that you bought.

Just my opinion.

P.S I honestly was expecting this announcement at the conference.

P.S.S Now that i think about it. Maybe they released this info now because they didnt want it to have an impact during the conference. Thats my theory anyways.

[1060FX8300]

$15. Wow.

Meanwhile our friends over on Xbone get to play their X360 discs...

[ocelot07]

Sweet so if I guy and buy Oblivion and Skyrim I can play them on XB1?

But being serious at the moment. I don't own Vice City or San Andreas on PS2. I do own it on Xbox though will these work on XB1?

$15 or £10 for me to play a great game again without the hassle of digging out my PS2. Tracking down a PS2 copy. Then buying a component switch box for my TV. I rather just play the HD version for £10.

[1060FX8300]

Wow great for you buddy! But sucks for those with vast libraries of PS2 discs. I'm more than certain that PS2 discs would be able to run on the very same emulator that these re-released cash grabs are running on. No excuse.

[1060FX8300]

Wow, all these disagrees Jesus Christ, nothing but blind Sony fanboyism

[ocelot07]

But how are you certain PS2 discs would be able to run on the same emulator? You or I have no idea how Sony or the devs got these games up and running on PS4.

However after thinking about it for the past hour or so. I do agree that $15/£10 is a little steep. Maybe $10/£7 would be the sweet spot.

[someOnecalled]

N what about the millions that brought the digital version last gen. Oh right f#ck them if it doesn't make sony seem godly. PS fanboys are pathetic. I spent hundreds in the PS store and the main reason I'm not.buying ps4. My digital is not going to be transferred without even a discount. Sub p2p. And not enough games to warrant the price. Y'all defend everything the do no matter what. I wonder if sony would of announce drm right after ms what would the PS fanboys do.

[ocelot07]

Ok in that case @someOnecalled when ever buy a game at launch. Then 5 months later the same game is re-released as a GOTY pack. I should be upgraded to the GOTY edition because I paid money for the base game 5 months earlier.

However I do agree previous bought PS2 games bought from the PSN should be upgraded/cross buy for these upgraded versions.

[SegaGamer]

It's not the same thing though. With Xbox 360 emulation we are getting nothing new. With PS2 emulation we get trophy support and upscaled graphics. Extra work has gone into getting these games up to date with modern consoles, so i think it's fair to charge for these games.

What is so different about this and buying old Nintendo and SEGA games we see on things like Playstation Store and Xbox Marketplace ?

The only problem i have with it is how much they charging. I'm ok with them charging something, but i don't think we should be ripped off or anything.

[ocelot07]

Stop it now you are just making sense!

[MJunior]

For the price of the three GTAs, I can buy a PS2.

[Masterchief_thegoat]

Indeed I'm surprise Sony drones is not calling this bs. Sony is telling us you can play ps2 games just give us 15$

[Ricegum]

Why do you insist on trolling? Lol, how embarrassing.

[Masterchief_thegoat]

Unreal I'm trolling for telling facts I own all my systems unlike you.. You like gettin ripoff not me.i would have done the same if ms did this bs. Trophy support f that rather open my box where I put my ps2, and play it with cheat code.

[nix]

lol Masterchief.

we never heard from you when MS was charging for MP last gen while on PS3 there wasn't.

[djplonker]

And how much would it cost to somehow modify that ps2 to run them at 1080p and add trophies plus streaming to that platform?

If you don't want any of those things then the ps2 version is for you!

[Bell Boy]

so that, no one will stop you!

[Jls1]

not surprised nothings free these days, but o well still have my ps2 and its still good.

[Kribwalker]

Xbox one backwards compatibility is free if you own the game already, and games with gold is giving 2 free 360 games a month that are backwards compatible. I do think it's stupid you'd have to buy it again

[Majin-vegeta]

Nothing is free period.

[Masterchief_thegoat]

Shoot yourself with your own final flash. I bet you bash a console that do have a free bc. Without asking you to give me more money

[mastershredder]

I have a huge PS2 Library. I'd like to have the support/access to play any games that I ALREADY OWN on that platform. I'm not buying those games again for the sake of trophies.

[NobleRed]

Still no Socom I/II.

What a disgrace.

[Majin-vegeta]

Did you miss the paet where they said they will be adding more later on?

[MegaRay]

Surprise launch, called it :)

Sony, put "Ape Escape" and "Tales of" titles next please.

Personally, I dont own any ps2 titles anymore, so im not disappointed, but I feel for those who are disappointed by this.

[ninsigma]

Hmmmm not what everyone was looking for but nice to have people's old favourites on the system. I see this as a give and take. Xbox bc is great in the sense that you can play the games off disc (assuming it's on the list of approved titles) but the ps2 bc is offering trophy support which was never available for those games as well as rendering them in HD with better AA which aren't bad things at all. In that sense I do understand having to pay for them but 10, not 15 should have been the price imo. With the way they've done the bc, I see the biggest ball being dropped is not allowing cross buy with the ps3 versions. I'd have much rather a combination of ps4 and x1 bc tbh. I like the added stuff on the ps4 bc so again, I understand paying for them but I'd have liked that to be for certain games and then the rest of the ps2 library playable as is from disc. Maybe it just wasn't possible for the ps4 to do it. I would encourage anyone that isn't happy with the current way they've done it to start asking for disc based bc if they really want it. Start pestering them on the forums and on twitter to make them listen until they do it or at least give a satisfactory answer to why it's not possible. Either way, happy for those who can pick up some old games that they can no longer play or didn't own in the first place!

[no_more_heroes]

Can you really call this emulation? With the added trophies and 1080p up-res, these seem more like ports than BC emulation.

My main issue is that $15 seems a smidgen too high. $10 would've been the sweet spot for me (I see one of them at $10).

[Majin-vegeta]

I think prices will vary.Hopefully theg give us PS+ discounts and have them on sales

[someOnecalled]

Upscaling is revolutionary thanks sony please continue the rape.

[ApocalypseShadow]

Gamers are so entitled nowadays. Think everything should be handed to you for free.

"I own these games on my previous system that was built on that system to play on.""I deserve the new one for free or a discount."

Resident evil and resident evil 0 HD should be free because you already owned them on GameCube.

Devil may cry,god of war collection,gravity rush,the last of us,uncharted collection...every game you owned in a previous generation you guys expect them all to handed to you for free.

GET A JOB!

I can fully understand you owned a digital copy that should pass on to the new system if the game is offered,but you guys are taking it to a new level of complaining.I knew this would be the case:

http://n4g.com/user/useract...

But it's Sony's right to offer their products for those who *******DON'T OWN THE PREVIOUS VERSION.*******

Don't like it, don't buy it.how simple can it be for you?if you want to play those games again, then pull out your fat ps3 or turn on your ps2.if you sold them,that's YOUR fault.

[Masterchief_thegoat]

You gotta be Big fan of ea

[SegaGamer]

How is this anything compared to what EA does ?

We have old SEGA games available on the Playstation Store and Xbox Marketplace, but you don't see anybody complaining about having to pay for those games again.

I don't think you understand the difference between Xbox 360 BC and PS2 BC. With the PS2 games, we are getting new features, trophy support and upscaled graphics, they are bringing new experiences to the games. With the Xbox 360 games on the Xbox One, we aren't getting anything new.

What Sony are doing with PS2 games is exactly what we see with old games that were on old consoles that are now available on Playstation Store and Xbox Marketplace.

[ApocalypseShadow]

If you think I'm a fan of EA, that means you don't know me or read my comments.

[ColonelHugh]

I like that they are adding new PS2 classics that they didn't have before and at higher quality, but the only classic I already own on PS3 I'd be willing to buy again is Persona 3 FES (especially because I got it on sale in PS Store for $2.50 and felt guilty every since).
RPGs in general get more out of trophies, so I'm happy I never bought Rogue Galaxy or Dark Cloud before.

[eferreira]

Nintendo does it with the virtual console and everyone rejoices. Sony does it and everyone complains.

[Izalith]

You have a point tho. I personally gonna buy those games again since they have 1080p and trophy support. Like to hunt some trophies now and then!

[ApocalypseShadow]

That's exactly what I was thinking. How many articles are complaining about Nintendo?

NONE!ZIP! ZERO!

Next thing you know these knuckleheads will say they should get digital versions of physical games they bought for free. How would companies verify that you still have the physical copy?

It's a shame that the world went into a recession years ago. Now it's turned people into ***beggars**

Sony offers games for free each month. But gamers complain they already bought it. How come Sony won't let them choose what game they want for free.

Nothing but **beggars*** and whine over everything.

[MasterCornholio]

I predicted that they might do something similar to Nintendos virtual console.

[Rookie_Monster]

@Apocalypse Shadow,
"That's exactly what I was thinking. How many articles are complaining about Nintendo? 

NONE!ZIP! ZERO!"

That is because no one comments or submit any Nintendo News here on N4G. I am surprise there is still a Nintendo Channel here tbh. LoL

[DigitalRaptor]

That is an AWESOME dodge, well done. N4G is not the only gaming news site on the web with the ability to comment, so all you're doing here is making this about N4G when it's about articles whether they're submitted to this website or not. If this comment is an indication, you failed in your attempt.

Where were you in Wii U articles when that console couldn't play GameCube game discs from 2 generations ago? Didn't see you there going on a (as Genuine said above) "tirade" against Nintendo, trying to be the first one in an article to divebomb the discussion into the ground, than what games they want to play or are looking forward to.

You also FAILED here when Apocalypse Shadow owned your ass about trying to bring in Nintendo to validate your obtuse and disingenuous complaints: http://n4g.com/news/1831672...

Nintendo allows purchased VC content to cross a generation. But they don't allow 2 generations-old GameCube discs to be playable.

Sony also allows purchased PS3 content to be free on PS4 in cross-buy schemes. But they don't allow 2 generations-old PS2 discs to be playable and instead charge you $14.99 a pop, and the games are enhanced in an awesome way.

Where was your complaint with Nintendo, as "passionate" as you are here about Sony and how goddamn awful this is for you (LOL) and gamers in general? Anyways, it's about 2.5 hours until the conference starts. I hope you're seated comfortably, hopefully next to Gangsta, and enjoy the show dude!

[kstuffs]

Sony's motto is "For the Players".

No PS3 BC
No PS2 BC

But wait, you can pay us money for PS3 PSNow games.
But wait, you can pay us money again for the PS2 emulated games.
But wait, EA Access wasn't a good value for our gamers.
But wait, the PS+ money that you paid us, nah, UC4 MP will not be dedicated.

[Eonjay]

So very disappointing.

[RiseofScorpio]

I bought San Andreas cos my old one is very scratched only to see this a week later ;( Im genuinely sad.

[Majin-vegeta]

Just imagine when they announce socom 2 thst store is goinf down lol...

I wonder if they will bundle all games from one series into one package for a set price??

Didnt they also patent a PS1 patent same time as this PS2 emu??

If so imagine Legend of dragoon 1080@60,trophies etx...major nerdgasm*faints*

[corroios]

So very happy. What about ps one games?

[Izalith]

The games I want on this ps2 to ps4 bc is:
Champions Of Norrath
Legacy Of Kain Soul Reaver 2
Legacy Of Kain Defiance
Legacy Of Kain Blood Omen 2
Onimusha 3
Tony Hawk Pro Skater IV
Need For Speed Underground 1/2
Black
Dragon Quest VIII
The Incredible Hulk Ultimate Destruction
SpiderMan 2
Def Jam Fight For NY (Give me Xzibit and Snoop Dogg)
Final Fantasy XII
XIII
SSX 3
SSX On Tour (I miss skiing)
Burnout 3 Takedown

I know this list is too much to hope for, but hey, I can dream right? :)

[Majin-vegeta]

Ill see your Xzibit and Snoop Dogg and raise you a Method&Red man :p.

[ocelot07]

I wonder if they can get PSP emulation on PS4 as well?

[Moe-Gunz]

Trophy and broadcasting support has me excited.

[LP-Eleven]

I'll happily buy Silent Hills 2-4, Tekken 4, and The Suffering games Remastered! Bring 'em on, Sony!

[Doodleburger]

$15 is pretty steep, but not surprising given sony's current pricing of PSNow. Only one that interests me is dark cloud, but not enough to buy it now. I can wait for a discount.

[Bell Boy]

Vice City with trophies = sold
now bring the Timesplitters and I will be happy

I had to sell my PS2 and collection when moving to US years ago so this is handy...

[nevin1]

Glad I still have old systems.

But this news isn't suprising.

I didnt buy PS2 classics myself but I thought they will at least actually allow people who did transfer it over to PS4.

[Bell Boy]

why? this is an upgraded version with trophies etc

Honestly they don't give you a free movie on Blu Ray if you own it on vhs (imo equivalent of playing a PS2 game on a Ps4) and they don't give free upgrades on Blu Ray to people who own the the dvd version (PS3 to PS4) Why do expect a gaming company to invest in a new feature just to give it away...

I suggest to the whiners on here that you never start a business as you will be bankrupt very quickly giving everthing away your goods for free

[RiseofScorpio]

This is a multi billion dollar company. The fact you are actually OK with being screwed over is weird. "It's a business" who cares? Your a CONSUMER not a business man you should be striving for better not finding excuses for them.

[thefarkingchamp]

You sony fanboys are all the same and funny . frist when the xbox did the bc you bagged it And said who cares we do not need it. now when sony announced it you praised it like its the second coming now after reading the article it doesn't work with discs and you have to rebuy them even if you already own them digital god you sony fans like to bend over and take it in the ass.

Lets be real which one would you pick for the deal

Xbox bc
If you already own it digital it will install including dlc for free
If on disc it will download the game the disc will be used like a key to play it
Xbox 360 only for now

Ps4 bc
Re buy the games with trophy support disc dont work ps2 only for now

Yeah i think i know which one id go with when it come to BC

[nix]

i think you got it confused. what people didn't believe in about Xbox BC was "THIS IS A SYSTEM SELLERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!" uproars. even this PS4 BC is still the same. it's not a system seller. now if you can live with those facts, there will be peace in this already screwed up world.

[thefarkingchamp]

Ok ill give you that one bout the system Sellar

I think we have gone beyond the point of ever reaching peace in this screwed up world

Or put it at as mate once said "the world is fucked"

[joeorc]

@nix

Full on agreement!

When Sony released the PS3 with ps2 & PS1 PlayStation compatibility with true pop in a freaking Disc support because it had the hardware inside all you freaking heard was.

Lambasting $599.00 , we can play ps1,2 & PS3 games..well all playstation gamers got was jibes, media scolding about trying to sell a $499.00 and a $599.00 system with true disc playing..and all we heard was I did not buy my xbox 360 to play old games.

Now..fast forward, now we see the importance of backward compatibility but only when Microsoft freaking does it because with Sony not really having any real games..its down right makes the PlayStation worth even less viable as a game machine vs the Value that Microsoft offers.

/ LMAO

Sony currently has over 550/games released for the PS4, more being schedule for release and developers wanting to make money on the IP they create. With Emulator they make nothing, this way developers can spruce up a game and make more money.

Ask Rockstar games which method they preferred. I think we know the Answer. As a consumer I would love the games to work on my new system with out having to pay for it again, but also I register the fact publishers and developers want to make money.

Its very easy to have home developers that have no skin in the game making an emulator charging $10.00 and not having to worry about licensing, and IP holder permission. Microsoft does not care, became the majority of those Emulator programs are really made to only run on Windows OS..

Kinda different when you have over 9500 games with many Japanese publishers & Developers who may want to make money from their own game they created. When a home developer teams than makes an emulator and than say look Sony why do you not do this..

[tulholdren]

Since I have my ps1 thru ps4 still working I think I'll pass on this and yes I also keep games that I like to play on them too. I hope some people that can use the service enjoy it. Now give me Dark Cloud 3 that would be another awesome Sony exclusive. I think I'm going to play 1 and 2 again now that I'm thinking about it...

[GamerGT]

Well damn, I for one am grateful. I may have PS2 discs still packed away somewhere and I know my wife would be pleased to play Need For Speed Most Wanted if it gets added to the library. The thing is even if they made the PS4 have an emulator for PS2 games what's the guarantee that PS5 or 6 in the future will support disc based backwards compatibility or discs at all. I think this is Sony financially thinking about the future instead of investing time and money on emulation every console generation. Instead it's a digital purchase tracked by your Playstation Network ID. This in mind it should allow the software library to be available future generations to come via the network for whatever compatible device at the time. With trophy support upscale to hardware specs 1080p, 4K, what have you. Add in remote pay, share-play and keep adding to the software library. That being said I'd rather pay $14.99 if it's guaranteed to be a future proof purchase.

[AnubisG]

For $15, they can shove it. They are 10+ year old games and digital downloads. I would maybe shell out $15 for a disc based Onimusha 1-3 or Tenchu but $15 for DD 10+ year old games? No way man.

[P_Bomb]

Meh, underwhelming as all hell for semi-collectors such as myself who have already paid for some these games 2 times over.

I guess if you're in your teens and have never played GTA3 before, and have $15 to kill (even though newer games like the Order were just on sale for $10), then i guess maybe, if you squint and take a shot of whiskey, then maybe this is exciting? Wasted opportunities imho between this re-re-sale emulation and PS Now.

[UserNameIsNotTaken]

I'm surprised people here thinking the normal Ps2 discs can run the games on 1080p 60fps.
The discs won't work obviously.

[L0wlifeGamer]

Im a 100% Sony Pony Fanboy BUT 15 Dollar for PS2 Games is a kick in the teeth. I don't expected Disc support and I don't expected to play digital PS2 Games I own already for free BUT 15 Dollar? Common Sony... This is not for the Players! This is shameless price policy!

[mokkeyrg2]

wow thats pricey!

[FN4GM]

Yeah I too am disappointed by the pricing and even more disappointed in the fodder they just gave xbox fanboy trolls. We are going to get to hear about this for the next decade or so I'm sure.

[nix]

They have games for 9 dollars too... Hehehe.

[mokkeyrg2]

i feel sorry for all the ps4 fans that was excited to play games they own tut tut

[FN4GM]

Not a lot of people who have a PS4 own PS2 games anymore, so no one needs your sorry.

[mokkeyrg2]

did you not read! fans that already own the games you dummy

[BIGBOSS08]

yeh only a small portion of people still own the original PS2 games. i had like over 50 PS2 games but only ones i left were MGS2 and 3.

[FN4GM]

Sorry Sony not paying for them, pricing them was bad enough but these prices are just ridiculous, cool to see The Mark of Kri on the list though, such a great classic game.

[g-nome]

Really , who bought a ps4 to play ps2 games ?

[Izalith]

Who bought Xbox One to play Xbox 360 games? Not me atleast.

[EazyC]

x2 generation gap, stupid comment.

[tweet75]

I'm sorry these will fail at these prices. Sony could have at least followed nintendos lead and offered discounts if you own the previous gen digital versions. I love GTA san andreas and I already have several versions. I'm not going to pay 14.99 for another.

[dazzysima]

Look for Sony using this PS2 titles as PS Plus freebies in the future.

[UNKLE]

When PS5 gonna reelease fanboys gonna buy PS2/PS3/PS4 remasters in 4k congratulations fanboys.... sony is using fanboys to make more money they smart, unlike fanboys.
Moneystation this is for the players.

[BIGBOSS08]

dont you have a brain? cant you make your own choices? you do know you can just choose to not buy them right? will sony shut down my ps4 if i dont buy these classics? dumb xbox fanboys think BC is going to make xbox relevant again.

[UNKLE]

Your name is bigboss but your not smart like him, you acting like a child, i'm not console user think before you talk I'm not side with any platform...im an average joe gamer. believe it or not ps fanboys like you, always will buy this stupid remasters shits.

[BrianOBlivion]

So there's no accommodation for those who bought the original hard copies of the games for ps2 and then bought them again on the ps3 via psn? Now you want us to buy the same games a third time on the ps4? Just go to hell.

[Fkhalf16]

BS move to not allow Crossbuy or at least a discount for an upgrade to PS4. I guess thats what happens when your console has over 50% of the market.

[EazyC]

Hope they're cool trophies, not just 'complete x mission' for the GTA ones, will probably pick up Vice City if the price isn't extortionate. But a huge red flag for me: notice how they don't even have the EU price up. Guaranteed they'll have us bent over once again, why do they insist on gazumping EU customers????I'd say €18.99 at least. We'll see.

[Dyldog69]

It's funny how there are so many gta fan favorites. Sick bastards. I can't wait to play them

[feraldrgn]

This is for the people who don't own those games already & for the people who want Trophy support with better performance.

I will never understand people who complain about this as if they have a gun to their head.

If you own a PS2 game, compare it to the same game on the PS4, does that PS2 game look & play the same on the PS2?

If you own a PS2 game, why do you not own a PS2?
Would you buy fuel when you don't have anything to put it into?
If your PS2 broke, why did you not replace it, why did you not sell those games?

[ocelot07]

One thing am stating to dislike about this website. Is because people have a different view or opinion they get branded a fanboy.

Pathetic.

[Commodore]

SOCOM wins the 20 years of play poll. *SONY: "Eh f**k em. We're not gonna do it."

[TheRacingX]

What a SONY cash in..... why pay $15 a month for PS now when we can make the sheep pay $15 a piece for 10 -15 yr old games.... no disc based support? why ? because how are we going to cash in again and again and again....Im sure there are people lining up to buy the same game for 3rd or 4th time.... keep rewarding these companies for their bad practices and cash grabs..... Sony you are going to go from most beloved to hated in no time.....