People Do Care About Dead Or Alive Extreme 3

Pixelgate.co.uk writes:

''Dead Or Alive Extreme 3 has became something of a hot property. It’s an odd concept, a series of games known for one thing, and it’s not the gameplay. Even though this is the third entry, people have suddenly decided it’s a release worth fighting for. Dead Or Alive Extreme 3 is no longer just a video game, it’s a sign of the times''

[Manio31]

I'll play it.

[PixelGateUk]

How dare you!

[StormLegend]

yes of course

[DasTier]

It's garbage shovelware disguised with boobs.

Should it be banned? No.

But that does not negate the fact that it's is a crappy franchise.

[PixelGateUk]

It's not been banned, I think that's a key point to remember

[Articuno76]

Why exactly?

The end result is the same: social influence putting business choices outside of the control of the consumers numbers/wallets.

The only difference is where that social influence is instituted.

[rainslacker]

@Art

At the same time, if this game were going to be wildly successful in the west, it would be coming west regardless of the current "debate" going on in the western markets.

But it's come to a point where the numbers don't justify having to deal with the fallout, and I guess Tecmo believes that their long term gains in avoiding the subject will be better served in future sales from these people they are trying to avoid. it's a strange tact for them, particularly with the DOA series, but it is what it is.

As of now, given how the "debate" is going, it is kind of institutionalized. A Cabal of games media publishers have rendered this narrative of SJW is the right path to follow, shaming anything that goes against it, all while changing those who were calling out this institutionalization as somehow hateful and against SJW so it should be chastised so the heat would be off them.

Other media outlets outside this influence ignore the issue as the extremists on the SJW tend to make anyone who tries to bring order or show some sort of moderate opinion, or worse yet a dissenting one, trouble in every way possible. This of course tends to mostly be contained within social media, but there are many instances where people, even moderate, have lost their jobs or had other bad things happen in their lives.

So what I'm trying to say is that something doesn't have to have an official organization to become institutionalized, and if Tecmo is unwilling to face the wrath of SJW, imagine how other publishers may feel as well. Eventually more and more bow to the social pressure of the vocal minority in an effort to avoid controversy and try to appear PC, and more and more games will be shaped to cater to this crowd, or avoided altogether so as not to upset the status quo of the current media.

This kind of stuff isn't contained to the gaming market, as there are forces out there which influence all sorts of products, sometimes for the better, sometimes not. But in this situation, the influence is having an effect on the consumer, and it's having an effect on creative expression.

It's bad enough when publishers allow these things to happen for the reason of money, and it's just as bad when they allow it to be influenced by factors that come from those that aren't their audience to begin with. We decry daily the number of things that happen in the industry due to monetary reasons on the publishers part...with the media often voicing our opinion on that, yet our media can't bother to express the same concern, which has a similar effect on the end game, when it comes from a vocal minority.

In the end, the absolute only thing that will put this whole debate to rest is if enough publishers bow to this social pressure and make their games in such a way that alienates the current customer base, and do not manage to pick up equal or greater sales from the side that's getting their voices heard now. If and when these people are catered to, and the games flop hard, is when publishers will stop caring, and if they have any balls, they will put the debate to rest by giving the real reason...because there aren't enough on the SJW to be worth catering to. As of now, publishers are skating a fine line in their designs, but games are becoming more homogenized every year, and eventually, people will grow bored and stop caring.

[Heyxyz]

A lot of people say that without "sex appeal" this game wouldn't sell, but I disagree. To be honest, the series is pretty addicting. You get to a point where it becomes a personal goal to unlock all of the extras, and that fuels the fun.

[ChrisW]

Well... Yes... But for many of us here, we would not have put in as much time unlocking things if it weren't for the "sex appeal."

[Anthotis]

I don't play games like that, but i'm opposed to SJW censorship.

Anyone who hates vile SJWs and what they stand for should support the release of this game.

[Scatpants]

Don't worry most SJWs will probably get tired of doing it soon. Being offended about stuff is this year's "going green". They'll move on to another asinine cause soon.

[TheCommentator]

Actually, if you want a visual representation of what SJW's are doing to the world, take a look at Beijing right now. If that city represents our freedoms, then the smog represents all the adverse effects of the stupid SJW rhetoric.

[rainslacker]

Not all SJW are bad, and within their ranks, there are those who are moderate in what they want, and what they are asking for. These moderates are not asking for censorship, nor are they even saying others are bad for enjoying these types of games. It's the extremist like Sarkeesian or Alexander and their die hard followers which make up the pains we are going through now, and prevent either side from really having a voice.

Unfortunately, the debate isn't all that interesting in the middle, so it wasn't covered as much when it was going on years before Sarkeesian or Alexander decided to fan the flames. All they've done is bring a level of toxicity to the "debate" which was mostly contained to trolls before them.

Nowadays, it's really hard to express what one may want from the middle of the road SJW(those seeking better representation in games) because if you don't follow the extremist you are shamed just as readily as if you oppose the extremist outright. You simply aren't allowed to be moderate or oppositional without being a bad person.

When the moderate SJW fights just as hard to get rid of their extremist as the gamers have been doing to get rid of them, then maybe the debate can actually become meaningful instead of preachy. Until then, it's either going to come down to money for the publishers, or a huge revolt of gamers...which was kind of shot down last time, although it wasn't really about SJW in general.

Truth be told, I was never against the idea of better representation of different groups in games. I got behind them on that. But I do take issue with the current trends of how that side is going. I also don't believe that GG itself was against SJW ideals at all, and I believe if more SJW actually thought about what GG started out as, they should have no problem with being supportive of it as well. But since some media outlets decided to link the two as opposing forces, people on those groups never really got to the point where they could understand what the core values of each viewpoint were. Maybe it's time for some major publication to actually lay out what the core value of each is, and take the extremist views out of it so people can be informed. They'll get a lot of hate, but at least they'll gain some respect from those who have been trying to say this stuff for over a year now.

Both the GG agenda, and the original SJW agenda were brewing for years before it exploded last year, and unfortunately, I feel the core agenda of both got lost in the sensationalism that followed the "Gamers are dead" article, and GG becoming a thing. Both the core reasons for them existing were both great ideals to strive for IMO, but nowadays, it seems only the extremist on both sides are heard...moreso on the SJW side.

[Articuno76]

Soz to reply here but I can't reply to the other comment:

"At the same time, if this game were going to be wildly successful in the west, it would be coming west regardless of the current "debate" going on in the western markets

But it's come to a point where the numbers don't justify having to deal with the fallout, and I guess Tecmo believes that their long term gains in avoiding the subject will be better served in future sales from these people they are trying to avoid. it's a strange tact for them, particularly with the DOA series, but it is what it is."

Absolutely. Whilst there's still a wide gulf of profitability between a niche success and a runaway one. Traditionally only the success of the game in question (i.e. is it likely to turn a profit making it worth putting out there) would have mattered.

Now it seems we are seeing devs looking a niche prospect and decided that, on balance, the PR headache isn't worth it.

I'd imagine the same thing won't happen to the core DOA series simply because it sells better overall. But with no western release this does essentially shoot the chances of a PC release in the foot :(

[Asuka]

already preordered

[Heyxyz]

I do.

[GrimDragon]

Nice article. And totally agree with the author. It is both bizarre and concerning that DOA has come to this point in its long history. I remember when it first launched on ps1 and all the hubbub was about the floaty breast lol. But the game was welcomed with open arms among the ranks of soul blade and Tekken. Even today on Xbox one you can download some truly sexy outfits that leave little the imagination and all the sweaty wet breast to take pictures of that you can handle in the games gravure mode on the beach with the hottest ladies in gaming. Tecmo made this game what it is it carved out its own market in a market dominated by blood and gore=mortal kombat, weapon based=soulcalibur, realistic=virtua fighter, combo driven=Tekken, and the grand daddy of all street fighter. Tecmo earned their spot in the market took a chance on something risqué and different and it worked. A few games like fight girls try to imitate but don't measure up. Tecmo branched out and brought the ladies to an island for some sexy fun and despite poor reviews and a few mini games to mask what the game was really all about and we all knew it we accepted the game as is and we're glad that it was there that it was what we all knew it was and because of that glaring difference we just liked knowing these games existed for those who liked it. It was rooted in gaming history and deserved to be what it wanted to be. And because of it we had a few games here and there trying to fill that market like rumble roses. Now that the possibility of this bring no more and censorship forges ahead killing everything in its path that it deems sexist and inappropriate the gaming landscape is under threat of being changed into something really no one wants. Because once that train gets going it's only a matter of time before the only thing we'll be playing are puzzle games another Mario game and if we're lucky maybe a violent teen rated game with the option for green blood or no blood at all.

[TheCommentator]

With your avatar, you're just assking for trouble from all the SJW's. ;P

[Summons75]

Clearly if there is so much outrage because they "don't want to cause controversy".

[Rachel_Alucard]

Call me crazy but I'm starting to think the whole reason this game is getting localized is mostly due to Marie Rose winning the poll by a mile. Tecmo could easily feature Kasumi and Ayane on the cover in the U.S version, but even then the game will get flak for featuring a girl that appears underage. Don't get me wrong Marie is my favorite character and I bought both her psn theme and the PS4 collector's edition, but to anyone who doesnt play games people will instantly jump on the sjw bandwagon by making false claims and fallacies just because she looks underage.

[PixelGateUk]

I get what your saying, but music, films and magazines are covered with lasses who look underage. It's a delicate topic to be sure

[Rachel_Alucard]

But SJWs are targeting video games atm, Hollywood is far too big to care about what they complain about on twitter. I'm only saying it might be her because of the fact her and Honoka are all over the games marketing all the way down to the CE items and the box art.

[Articuno76]

None of the typical "SJW" outlets are reporting what a travesty it or loss this is. Instead pre-emptively defending that they had nothing to do with it (which they will actually believe because no one specifically campaigned for a game like this to be pulled, but social influence is social influence).

If they aren't responsible they should be as pissed as everyone else about this (albeit with a different target of contention).

[Articuno76]

Not a fan of the sub-series as I've not played them before. But at the right price I would have considered picking it up and playing it for a few hours. Now that's a lot harder to do between the price/hassle of having to go through import channels.

But that the conditions exist that an audience is denied a game outside of economic/audience size considerations (i.e. actually valid concerns for a publisher) is ludicrous.

I could get it if western countries were backwards enough that loud minority groups weren't expected to tolerate differences and go their seperate ways...

But then again between loud religious zealotry and relgiously loud zealous feminism it seems the west (and the US in particular) is exactly that backwards society we like to believe it isn't. One where it's not okay for people to like someone that offends you, provided society deems you the right group of people to be validly offended.

There's a simple, rational solution to being offended: Stop being offended. Then move on with your life.

The kind of "offense" this game may cause anyone is ultimately not harmful to anyone (unlike say, offense caused by taking treating real social issues lightly).

[rainslacker]

Those who are morally offended on these issues have been around in America for quite a while, and the reasons for these offenses include a wide swath of issues. Religion, Gender, sex, violence, etc can all make the rounds for any number of consumer media outlets, or from just the news reporting that such a thing happens.

What's changed in the last decade or so though is that somehow, being offended means that others have to change their whole mindset and actions to prevent others from being offended. The whole mindset of politically correct changed from tolerance or indifference to subjugating the offenders, because in today's society, the idea that if someone/s are offended has become almost taboo.

The idea of tolerance, or indifference to these types of offenses is no longer really a thing. Well, actually it is, but some people think that it shouldn't be, and they are the ones that are being catered to with these changes to media. Most people, the more reasonable types, may get offended, but do not go off on these huge campaigns to remove the offensive content from view. They simply tolerate it, or leave it be, because they understand that the world does not revolve around them.

Ultimately, I believe this whole mindset came about due to the internet, and the explosion of social media, which has a way of giving a voice to the public which never had a voice before. With that power, they've gone beyond the scope of being a minority, to somehow generalizing their support in their dislikes as being a majority, and because the media likes to represent these people, and make it seem like a molehill is a mountain, everything is compounded to seem bigger than the actual feelings of the general public.

[DivineAssault]

Its not about people caring, its the damn reasoning behind it not getting localized.. Then the SJW's attack play asia for even importing it! I want to buy the game just to support the movement but in all honesty, T/K shouldnt be little bitches either.. They should stand up to them and flip em off

[PixelGateUk]

The title was more a reaction to the frankly odd statement of 'no one cares about the games' deployed by various people on twitter and youtube.

MovieBob was the guy who kinda ended tipping me into posting this.

[ErogeMaster]

Dont really care about it as my moniker states.

[WizzroSupreme]

People sure do care about Dead or Alive…just not enough to demand higher standards.

[Enigma_2099]

I don't care about the game. It doesn't appeal to me.

That being said, I don't agree with the idea of forced censorship. Just because I don't care about it doesn't mean it's right. What the hell is the ESRB rating for if you can't use it?